How To Use A Bucket To Vent A Spray Booth - Bucket Hack For Airbrushing

[@robertjohnston8290]

This isn’t much different than an airbrush cleaning pot, only on a larger scale

[@RickeyWholaver]

How is the diameter of the hose?

[@earlygrayce3200]

Standard size on most spray booths on ebay

[@vasili1207]

or a bong

[@d33f4ult5]

​@@RickeyWholaverfor that particular hose probably 4 inches

[@sgnt9337]

@@vasili1207 HAHAHA!

[@TheIcemanModdeler]

Just drilled a hole through a brick wall yesterday now this vid comes out 😂

[@bakersonwolf]

This is genius I just moved into a new tiny apartment and didn't have proper ventilation to paint my model kits now all you got to do is make a quick stop to home Depot or whatever and then find some filter foam dope ideas thanks for sharing

[@ScaleModelCarBuilder]

What perfect timing for those of us in the north without a window. I saw the bucket on your last video and was about to ask about it. Then saw this video come up, so thank you for sharing!

[@DoghouseFunkBlaster65]

I've constructed something similar to this. You can purchase Hepa fabric material to screen off fine particulates, but when it comes to white spirits (varsol/ alkyd paint thinner), lacquer thinner, acetone, xylene or anything that fries brain cells, vent outside. If you have a living bird in a cage nearby, you may learn a very sad lesson the hard way. If it's no good for our feathered friends, it's not good for us either. I ONLY use this indoor method with water-based acrylics and Isopropyl alcohol as a thinner and cleaner.

[@darkshadow0308]

The saying "canary in the coal mine" exists for a reason!

[@anydaynow01]

I blow mine through a box of activated charcoal pellets for fish tanks, works really well for cutting down the odors and is pretty cheap in bulk. Then I just burn the charcoal in my fireplace near the end of winter which is about when it starts to get exhausted anyway. A few kgs of the stuff at a time goes a long way, especially if you seal the box between uses.

[@robk5865]

Alcohol is one of the worst things we can breathe as modelers. I run a similar setup to this for laquers (I spray very little in 1/72 scale mostly) and I pop a window for fresh air. Regardless of what medium I'm using, you better believe I'm properly masked up. Hope you are as well. Alcohol based acrylic is vicious.

[@yeahh_idk_]

Thats a you problem my guy.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@yeahh_idk_What the what?

[@cwheeldon66]

Very cool idea. I see multiple asks about resin fumes from printers, spray paints, etc. This method is only safe for (1) particulates (like dried paint droplets) or (2) water-soluble vapours. Since resin and solvent fumes (etc) are neither, they will pass through or over the water and back out the holes into your room. Also, running the hose into the water, as some have asked, will make it more effective as a filter but it will cause more back pressure and your fan won't perform as well, so that's your trade-off.🤔

[@dusty3033]

If anyone is asking if this would work for resin prints they really shouldn't have a resin printer those are the same people that get water wash resin and think it's safe to rinse down the sink drain lol

[@zandarrthegreat6790]

@@dusty3033 Well, you know the old saying...when someone asks a question to better themselves, mock them relentlessly. 😐

[@dusty3033]

@zandarrthegreat6790 um it's not a mock it's a thing like do research before buying and know all the hazards it's like if you live in an apartment and don't use air filters and such and it gets into the air ducts and the voc travel thru the air system it will get into everyone's rooms and so Irresponsible for something like that to happen

[@jtjames79]

I,m going to go with two buckets, water from bottom, with a few UV strips. Oxygen prevents photo reactive resin from reacting. Lots of little bubbles should help. And then a second bucket fitted to the top, full of activated carbon, and then outside. I got pet birds so I have to be extra careful.

[@jasonstatham5879]

@@dusty3033 But asking this question is part of their research. They are reaching out to people that may know.

[@DesertRatDiecast-vo6go]

I have been using this for 8 months after your video on it. I spray all types of paint and 2k clears… It works well!!! Thank You!!

[@barbatosrex9473]

You're welcome buddy

[@jeffjay2225]

In addition to this, you can also run an air purifier to pick up residual contaminants and it also helps clear up dust in the paint area.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Yes, great advice

[@anydaynow01]

I use a box of activated charcoal at the exhaust of my paint booth, probably not as cheap as running an air purifier at the exhaust in the long run though, I might have to look into that!

[@GeorgeCobb-w7u]

What a great idea, I would have never thought that you could use this technique for using a spray booth if you can't vent to the outside. Thank you for this video and the information you provide

[@MrMsd-hs8mn]

Thanks for showing the bucket filter. I'm in a basement and I'll be making one.

[@_jovian]

this is pretty cool, basically like those waterfall booths, both are probably fine for acrylics but for lacquers and such its not just about evacuating overspray, but the VOCs too, which this will not do, especially dangerous if youre using it indoors.

[@Lifeinerinn]

Any advice on something like this for enamels or lacquers?

[@burntbybrighteyes]

@@Lifeinerinn you could create the same setup as this but use a real active coal filter instead of this foam filter. If it works in a protective mask than it should theoretically work with this too.

[@_jovian]

@@Lifeinerinn a strong exhaust fan vented to outside is the only thing I would use for enamel and lacquers. Theres some nasty stuff in a lot of model paints, especially lacquers, really not worth the exposure risk to half ass the ventilation, especially if you paint kits with any significant frequency. VOCs can be carcinogenic or at least cause irreversible tissue damage. I personally use one of those explosion proof 10 exhaust fans that moves like 1942 cfm. It's overkill but nothing escapes my booth and it's peace of mind.

[@TheGabb3r]

@@Lifeinerinn enamels and lacquers have lots of solvents and other nasty VOC-producing products in them, usually much more than most acrylic-based products. While an active carbon filters, HEPA filters and a NIOSH P100 protective mask might work for acrylics ona moderate period of time, VOCs eventually need to go somewhere outside to mitigate health risks. I would follow _jovian's advice and invest in a proper ventilation system for safety, especially if you've got other people living in your house.

[@nismojukerich2994]

Well considering every single one of those paint booths state "not for use with solvent based paints" just using them with lacquers or enamels is dangerous itself. They don't come with explosion proof fans. Hence why they're so cheap.

[@shadow7037932]

Look in to using a inline duct charcoal filter. They are often used in indoor plant/pot growing setups and works very well.

[@MrAcuta73]

Yes indeed. I can spray Alclad in my apartment and not stink the place up using one. Not horribly expensive and last a really long time. Also take up a bit less space than a 5 gallon bucket. But the bucket method DOES work!

[@PopArow4702]

I used the charcoal filter exhaust system for my grow tent and it does work I now use it in my 5gal bucket with my waterfall spray booth cause the water catches the paint and the fumes go to the bucket

[@VineyardGHS]

​@@PopArow4702 activated carbon cannot filter out these fumes. It can only filter out the particulates which will include the smell. You will still be breathing in everything that's actually toxic for you. That is why there is three types of filters the first of which being dust the second one being a particulate in the third one being a fume

[@ninjatango]

Smell is the last and least relevant thing to worry about. This leaves the VOCs in your air, your lungs, your pets’ lungs.

[@bobrivett7645]

My solution for spraying in my garage during the winter. My garage is insulated and heated, unless I have the side door, but it's to cold to do right now. Thank you Mr. Rex for the tip. Merry Christmas everyone.

[@BLSchweitzer]

This is so smart! I have no idea why something like this has never crossed my mind.

[@deputy3690]

It really is amazing how many non creative people actually exist, and I don't mean that in a bad way. The cost to buy anything these days is astronomical and being creative can save tons of money.

[@edwardnash7411]

I use Carbon Filters

[@ug1280]

Thanks!

[@barbatosrex9473]

Anytime my friend 👍

[@WoodysScaleModelGarage]

This is a great cheep alternative for those who don’t have a window and it works great

[@wildcatfan1193]

One of the best tips ever. My modeling room is in my basement and I have no windows. So I have had to use all acrylic or hope the weather was good so I could spray outside.

[@anthonylopez4630]

I tried this after seeing it on your channel last time you showed it. I don't think I had the holes big enough as the whole room filled with over spray I had a layer of blue dust in the bathroom too. I now know my holes were to small. If you only spray occasionally be careful as the water will go mouldy so empty it till needed. Thanks Rex. Jay from England 🇬🇧.

[@nakedbanana7056]

So essentially. You have small holes.

[@sprocket5526]

If you want to use solvent based paint, you can make an inlay inside your blue bucket and fill it with Aquarius carbon filter pellets. Basically turning it in to a gasmask. It's probably not something that would pass a health/work safety inspection at a work place, but for hobby use it will work just fine.

[@benjimlem1284]

Did you try something like that? I was thinking about something like that myself, but I have no idea how effective that would be/how thick the layer would have to be and all that. Face mask filters aren't very thick but the amount of air that passes through them compared to spray booth fan is wayyy less...

[@Archdjinn]

Nice! I didn’t want to get a booth because I don’t really have a spot next to a window but this makes me want to get a booth!

[@Archdjinn]

And spraying outside is so hard with wind or temperature constantly being under 40. This is exciting

[@Raimondoze]

I just moved to Japan, and with that comes a smaller apartment and living space. I figured I would have to slow down and possibly put a hold on my airbrushing so as to not stink up my apartment. This trick, along with a waterfall should resolve those issues. Thank you so much!

[@barbatosrex9473]

Oh yeah, the Waterfall Spray Booth is just right for hobbyist like you

[@crashray5523]

Thank you Robert for sharing your bucket trick. I was very curious about how it was rigged. You’re definitely for and about the common everyday modeler. 👍👍

[@AidanMystic-nk5jh]

I’ve been putting together a setup for airbrushing with water based acrylics in my basement; on a low budget so this video is so helpful!! Thank you for providing some great info!

[@ClarenceObert]

Wow, talk about timing. Not two hours ago I was searching through all your past videos to see if you had covered this topic after I saw it when you were doing the double spray booth yesterday. I went back 3 years and couldn't find anything. I was going to email you about it ... and then this popped up. Awesome. Thanks for the explanation. Take care. Look forward to the waterfall booth review.

[@kelmor11]

I was literally doing this yesterday lol

[@SpareRoomSlotCars]

This is great advice as we go into the winter months here in the Northeast

[@DrDeepspace]

I would suggest to most of the comments about additional filter media that this system PUSHES air from the booth into the bucket, and the more media in the way the more blockage the air will have. A sucking fan at the bucket end would do better for adding more robust filtering techniques, but that would defeat the simplicity of this system. Great video!

[@RealGyouza]

So glad I found this. Have been wanting to set up a booth I got but the closest window is a long way away from the area I can work. Was worried I would need to figure out a system to chain some vent fans to make sure it got out. Going to do this!

[@barbatosrex9473]

I'd like to mention you should go with a carbon filter for the top of the bucket to further trap smells

[@RealGyouza]

@@barbatosrex9473 awesome I will order some! Do you mind if I ask what kind of sealant you might recommend? I get handy as needed but try to go with recommendations. I have found my local shop will give me some that work but often more as short term hacks. Last sealant they recommended to me would erode the seal long term and increase my costs down the line.

[@moparnut6286]

Cool deal!.. Has anyone ever used a rainbow vaccum cleaner it uses water as its filter I had one and used it to trap the paint fumes by evacuating out the fumes in my spray booth it worked really well too.. When the water got loaded up I would just dump it and be back up and spraying.

[@seanswader7425]

Nice trick. I have a spot that’s better for me in the lower level of the house, but setting up by any of the windows won’t really work. This seems like a useful set up

[@DanielGomez-io5bx]

This information is very useful for those of without access to a window - thank you for sharing.

[@scottbuildsthemall5124]

Pretty ingenious! I vent out of a window, but I can see an advantage to this in the depths of winter.

[@FedericoFiore-d7r]

I'm a total beginner and this is gold for me! I have the same basement issue, so I'm surely try this. Thank you and thanx to your dad :D

[@alfiejohnchester8108]

Thanks. I'm looking to start airbrushing soon and I've never done it before so I'm trying to get together everything I need before I start. Some people can make things sound so difficult to the point that puts people off but you've made this sound so simple. Thanks again.

[@danrussell3439]

Thanks for the information. I made on of these and used shredded newspaper. I like the water concept. Going to set my as you demonstrated.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Also check out my latest video on my ways to do this

[@brianclow5704]

Your timing could not be better. I have been trying to decide on a method of making a similar system. I will be making one in the next couple of weeks. thanks.

[@metaprime222]

I just watched your last video and was asking this question. Thanks!

[@RogerEberhart]

I've seen that Ninjon ditches the hose altogether and just stacks a couple of furnace filters behind the opening to catch any residual spray that gets through the filter in the booth itself.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Another great idea

[@wingnutbert9685]

Remember: air volume in, air volume out. The outlet holes need to closely equal the square footage of the pipe opening diameter. Otherwise you get back pressure. If designed to, motors can handle back pressure. Btu I'm thinking these little booth fans are likely not. So the volume of air pushed into the bucket has to escape as fast as it goes in. And even make the outlet a bit bigger to compensate for the filter media causing resistance. And dish soap in the water breaks the surface tension, allowing the paint to fall through the water surface. Otherwise the paint builds a crust on the surface negating the purpose of the water. :) Be interesting to see what a simple Thien Baffle would do for paint spray capture. Does amazing for wood dust and is easy to build a not so mathematically accurate unit that still works good.

[@duneblade]

So a water bong for the air brush, nice!

[@Thunderbyrd.]

multi-functioning

[@stevenpuderbaugh821]

The hose has to be above the water, not bubbling air through it.

[@duneblade]

Oh interesting. Why would we need the water in it then? I thought we were using the water as a sort of filer. @@stevenpuderbaugh821

[@duneblade]

Got it, so what is the reason for the water then? Maybe I missed it in the vid. @@stevenpuderbaugh821

[@LathanM]

I have my spray booth setup in a similar fashion. I switched form a bucket with holes like that to an old round humidifier I picked up for $2 at a garage sale. The wet filters grab everything and it has a slot for a charcoal filter though I seldom put them in.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Nice!

[@ironbird72]

Thank you. You just saved me at least £500. WIll definitely try this as I live in rented accommodation and the living room where I have my modelling bench as no windows at all

[@YenkoSC67]

Thank you!!! Will be using this hack!! My bench is in front of a window. Lol so no room to vent a future purchase spray booth.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Good luck my friend

[@Avalanche523]

Great video for diy inexpensive over spray trap. Simple and effective. Thanks.

[@bs1wl]

you don`t no how much money you have just saved me. your a star.👍

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

Very helpful video! Buying the bits tomorrow! I might put a couple of sheets of hepa filter over the end of the vent hose inside the bucket, seal it with a large rubber band, gives another level of filtration.

[@Reckoner68]

This is super useful, my setup is in my basement and there's no nearby window. I'm using acrylics for hobby painting and don't do tons at a time, I'll 100% be building one of these this week.

[@tonysouthern3049]

I just built one, only because it is too cold to vent out the storm door. I cut the charcoal filter to fit the entire lid then drilled 1" holes about 2" apart around outside edge of lid and 4 closer to the dryer vent coupler. I test sprayed some lacquer thinner. I can still smell the thinner but it is not as bad as no vent filter. Will have to see as time goes on.

[@ddistrbd1]

Great idea, I really like it for the spray booth use, we had the same set up for our factory compressor discharge, it collected moisture and worked like a charm, I'm going to use this bucket idea in winter months when opening windows is not an option.

[@gordonai5803]

I've been doing this for about 3 years now, works great.

[@ewen832]

I always thought their was a better way to filter the vent air. Now you have shown me how.

[@rafael2499]

Excellent idea. I will try myself since my bench has no windows and it’s a real job to extend my 5 meter hose to the nearest window.

[@smokeebeefpv]

It's like a bong! Thank you for explaining it. I have been looking for this explanation so I can build a bigger version.

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

I ALWAYS wanted to to know how to do that and What it Could do in enclosed area...or where 'wife' won't allow you to cut out the screen to vent out once window is opened.

[@C.Brown5150]

I live in a apartment that doesn't have a vent for our Dryer.. And I bought a set up that works the same way.. And it does great to catch all the lent .

[@barbatosrex9473]

Do you have a link to what you're using? I'd like to compare

[@chaley2935]

I built a daisy chain version where I have the air first going into one bucket with water and then from there it goes into a 2nd bucket with some activated charcoal filters around the exhaust.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Great idea

[@ninjatango]

That carbon needs swapped out every week or so even if you don't use it, btw.

[@chaley2935]

@@ninjatango That's fine as I made it so the access to the 2nd bucket is easier by routing the intake to the side of the bucket near the bottom.

[@VineyardGHS]

Particulate is the word you're looking for lol. Thank you for this video it just reassured every idea I had on building mine.

[@mtg6753]

You rock! I love models so glad I found your channel.

[@barbatosrex9473]

Models are awesome, great hobby. Welcome to the channel

[@entropy11]

Just bought a new spray booth (on your recommendation) and have iffy window access so this is timed perfectly.

[@EricHonaker]

I have a window, but I live in MN. I may make one of these to use in the winter.

[@craigwest8386]

Great video! Very helpful for modelers to know.

[@ascensionindustries9631]

Thanks! I moved into a highrise and the windows dont open. Now I can spray inside without having to haul all my stuff downstairs to separate rooms.

[@wisdomfromthewoods3638]

is also a good idea for laser cutter too. add the vent out to out side from the bucket,

[@HDElvisPresleyHD]

Cool trick! Gonna give it a try

[@Gakusangi]

Really cool setup, I use nontoxic paints so I just go respirator, box fan and furnace filter, but if I ever upgrade I'll probably do this.

[@Total-D4]

Thanks for the Tip, I'm fairly new into miniature & model painting, and have mostly done it all by brush, I did get a affordable introductory air brush though have been reluctant to use it due to my enclosed living situation, This seem like the solution to a few of those hurdles that were of a concern. 👍

[@VilhjalmrVilhjalmrsson]

Thanks for posting this! I've been toying with the idea of trying something like this but have never gotten around to sketching out a plan. Nice to see that it can be done and a lot simpler than what I had in my head.

[@MSvento06]

I always wonderd about filling the bucket with activated charcoal basically put the tube to the bottom then fill it with adtivated charcoal.

[@PUBHEAD1]

Thanks for this. I was looking for a reasonable, alternative solution for indoor venting and this will work for my purposes. Cheers from Canada

[@AsheCraftingCorner]

Thats..actually really smart

[@bobbyspenser7304]

This is a nice setup I have tried a lot of different things to mask the sent an out of everything fabric sheets balled up along the tube some at each end alitte way in from each end just have to see how many you will need for different paints because you will get the count down for the paint type you are going to be using but what ever way work for you or anyone else is a good way also I am just telling you how I have found what works for me thank you an I hope that my idea help someone thank you my friend

[@leeryglinski1204]

Many Thanks Robert. Wishing you and your family the best of holidays!

[@jasons5654]

I wonder if you could do a bucket a little larger than the hose , and do a layer system like a couple of layers of the filter where the hose goes in and then fill with the loose fish tank carbon thats used in the water diltes and at the bottom another couple layers of the filter and it vent though the bottom of the bucket , the overspray would be going through 4 total filters plus the one in the booth and then the carbon would potentially absorb most if not all the fumes/ smell depending how much you had sandwiched between the filters

[@john9801]

Reading all the comments, I hope nobody gets harmed. It looks like too many assume that this would help when working with toxic fumes as well. I'm not an expert but I'm sure that this won't be enougg for toxic stuff. You are mentioning activated carbon filter but it's not as easy as it sounds. I hope people will do more research when handling toxic stuff.

[@draconis3]

Thanks for going in detail about the bucket - I've seen it before and thought it needed some water in there so it's good to have it spelled out. Adding activated carbon/charcoal filters in the tube might help with absorbing odors, too.

[@Alurkerdood]

Just bought a similar airbrush booth. Might have to do this.

[@ianpettman7482]

Fantastic as I have no ventilation in my hobby room. Thank you

[@paulpitmon6663]

Fantastic idea. Thanks for sharing this, I always wondered how it works

[@coburnlowman]

Dish detergent will loosen the water tension, so it'll draw more paint into the water.

[@dragoonzen]

awesome idea and very good explanation!

[@idiotluggage]

Thanks for sharing this. I just set my booth up this morning to coat some 3D prints.

[@bg5886]

I would recommend using a charcoal filter on the top of the lid instead of the blue sponge. That would eliminate any odors from the bucket.

[@robsadler7094]

I like that Porsche 911 gt1 kit on your shelf!

[@niklamas6756]

Thanks for your video.Today I purchased the items to make the purifier too

[@benjaminnielsen4288]

Im going down to lowes! I switched to acrylics years ago and l've never had a ventilation system. This seems like a fatanastic idea to use. Thanks

[@MitchellRoberts-dk2mb]

That's a perfect setup for those type of airbrush booths 👍👍

[@thebigskip-e]

I might be interested in doing this for 3D printing, where I would need the room to be more temperature controlled.

[@john9801]

This does not filter the toxic fumes from 3d printing. You would need a good active filter for that.

[@randomnickify]

There is a youtuber who tested similar setup made for his 3d printer. He tested it using actual sensing devices and it didn't make any difference for the toxic stuff. You will hurt yourself.

[@oswaldososarequiz]

Thank you so much, I had this idea for a while but could not find any videos on KZbin. Anyway, you just confirmed it and will go ahead and finish mine :)

[@PatrickKend]

This is so great. Thank you. I've been using spray cans for a lot of my modeling life and I finally am switching over to airbrushing because the quality of the paint jobs so much better. The only problem is my modeling room where I'm moving to doesn't have a window. This is a lifesaver for me. 👍

[@vftw6086]

I'm sort of in the same situation as you are. Just wondering how successful has it been if you've already have it installed. Any smell at all?

[@PatrickKend]

@@vftw6086 I’ve gone to using mostly water based acrylics covered with acrylic clear coats so there’s not much smell. If you are using lacquer paints you do still get some smell. I would say use one of those ventilating masks if you must use lacquer or enamel paints. Good luck and be safe with it.

[@yvesdubois4964]

Thanks for posting this idea, it s just great and an interesting solution for airbrushing inside when opening windows isn't possible for several reasons. Very good idea.

[@rocketmanstudio]

Great video… even though I have a window next to my booth, I like this so I don’t have to open and close it all the time…Only thing you didn’t mention is what to look for to change the water out. I started to get the water fall style booth…but it’s so much easier with the bucket in my opinion…

[@aberodriguez4149]

Thanks for sharing your hacks much appreciate it since I am in a little room with no windows also and as for adding a little bit of water to the bucket I was thinking also for the scent factor perhaps a couple of tablespoons of Fabuloso. Once again thank you for this video. 👍

[@johnmacdonald6220]

Thanks for the idea and the instructions, wondering how I was going to be able to use my equipment I just purchased in the colder months here in Ontario Canada. My tool room in our basement doesn't have a window to use for venting the airbrush paint booth. Hoping I wasn't going to have to have a hole drilled into the foundation. Using a setup like yours will definitely work.

[@dariandarian1482]

Jesus since last years before i do sth new for my painting corner i wont do it without checking if your channel have any ideas ab it too lol , such a useful for rookie as me . thanks man

[@bobbyosborne2375]

I don't have a window close and i live in a 1000 square foot duplex. I build in my kitchen. This is the best I'll be able to do until i can move some place bigger.

[@Pound955]

Thank you!! I’m putting one together tomorrow.

[@MS_06S2K]

I want to see the dehydrator in use now

[@barbatosrex9473]

Here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZecgpeOj9iao9Usi=vahHhCcGM5yVxXDy

[@electrichumbug]

The video i never knew i needed! You just keep delivering!

[@railbull_models]

This is pretty clever! I was wondering how the bucket would capture the odors after watching the large spray booth video from the other day.

[@ninjatango]

Odors aren't the concern.

[@cygnusstarscream]

I do that 3D Printing Kevlar and buy Bulk Carbon Filter in 500 foot rolls so the off-gassing won't kill me. I keep a parakeet by my printer. Been running my printers since the July 2020 Covid Lock-down. My bird hasn't gotten sick.

[@kenmorris2858]

Excellent idea, many thanks. Good luck to your Bruins tomorrow against Toronto. Many cheers from Nova Scotia...

[@barbatosrex9473]

I have 2 friends who are hockey fans, one likes the Blackhawks and the other likes the Briuns

[@lesthiele4921]

Now, you have come up with the solution I need, so I can make my painting in-doors a lot easier, ( don't have a garage or shed, so I am in the spare bedroom) as I would like to use some of the acrylic lacquers, again, many thanks for this idea, I would like to wish yoh and your family all the very best wishes for the upcoming holiday season, many thanks from a Kiwi ( New Zealander) living in Australia 👍👍👍