How to use a cylinder honing tool for a drill. Engine rebuild Video # 10

My technique for a nice satiny finish on cylinder walls prior to ring replacement.

[@redmodelaguy4778]

Thank you for including much informative detail ... wisdom shared from years of experience!

[@sounddoctorin]

I love videos from people with experience and common sense. Thank you sir!

[@josaljo1]

Thank you, for the comment. I hope to be rebuilding that engine soon.

[@sounddoctorin]

I'm in the middle of doing my 2L Cavalier engine. Hopefully get a good do and have no oil useage for a while finally

[@johnnysimpson142]

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[@josaljo1]

Thanks for watching.

[@StrictlyLTG]

I literally just used that same Hone today on our 2016 camaro 4 cylinder turbo. It was my first time with this Hone as I am used to a ball hone. I enjoyed your video! ... Thank you for sharing. Big Thumbs up (=

[@benjaminal-doory1817]

Thanks for making this and taking the time to share your expertise! Much obliged.

[@kevinclancy.]

very helpful and especially the details about how many strokes and what to look for as far as progress as you go, thanks

[@KingKing-rz6wp]

love the ending.the big dog was very relaxed lol

[@josaljo1]

He means the world to me.

[@Murderdogs]

Thanks for this, helped me restore the cylinders on my Ural 650 motorcycle - hopefully it won't blow up again this time!

[@josaljo1]

Good luck with it.

[@chrishollis3568]

Good on you mate thanks for taking your time to make this video

[@josaljo1]

Thanks for watching.

[@antoniogonzalez5826]

I like this old timer. If you don't like watch something else.🤣

[@josaljo1]

Thanks Antonio.

[@Streetvw548]

Thanks for a great video!!

[@josaljo1]

Thanks for the comment.

[@taxiarchisk.6031]

very goob simple helpfull video without exprensive tools...you make the gob easy...Thank you

[@Someguyto]

Appreciate the tips. I hope I can finish My 94 civic.

[@7deezer7]

thanks learned some good tips

[@84toyota4wd]

i just put an engine together twice and didnt deglaze.... This is the most educational thing I have seen researching my smoke in the tailpipe issue. Obviously my rings have not seated and I have just been looking for someone else to say what Ive diagnosed as my issue. Just felt obligated to say Thank You. Have a good one bud....

[@josaljo1]

Thank you for the comment.

[@84toyota4wd]

Yes sir. About to pull it apart again here in a few minutes. Any advice and grit stones to use?

[@84toyota4wd]

Or whats the best grit to finish with...

[@josaljo1]

I use 220 start to finish, just keep it clean as you work thru it.

[@84toyota4wd]

Sweet appreciate that. ive got those laying in the garage. Itll be fun honing for the first time...

[@Gator12]

I’m so used to the ball style. I bought a 3 prong and thought I’d give it a try ( LM7) coated the cylinders with 10W-30 like normal, and the three prong hone destroyed my cylinders 😂. Now I gotta go get it bored. Oh well. Go big or go home I guess.

[@larrybrellenthin4247]

I could tell what you wanted to look like when you pointed at that one spot and that helps me thanks

[@Ajaxaxxess]

Thanks man!

[@josaljo1]

Thanks for watching.

[@slanktapper]

great vid thanks

[@josaljo1]

Thank you

[@hedimann]

Hmm. Quit old that vid. But i done it exactly that way only tool was another one. Big thanks.

[@reinhardtroppmair1381]

Sehhhhr Profesioneellllll!!! respect man

[@josaljo1]

Thank you.

[@michaelkuneman5135]

great and would you recommend rings to be set at for a 305 sbc and by the way your videos are great I'm 19 and doing my first motor build your a big help

[@josaljo1]

The 305 V6 has a top ring clearance of .017 to .027 and the second compression is .015 to .025 inches. If you meant 350 V8 then the gaps are .010 to .020 top ring, .013 to .025 second ring, and .015 to .055 for the oil rings. The 305 V8 is the same as the 350.

[@michaelkuneman5135]

+Josaljo Won yes a 305 Chevy and so the oil ring is .015 to .025 and so if I did both in the middle would that be good like say for the oil ring do .020 would that be good?

[@josaljo1]

It is .015 to .055" for the oil rings .020 would be fine either way.

[@michaelkuneman5135]

+Josaljo Won great thank you for the help

[@rustbeltgypsy3713]

Staying up top too long will taper cylinder, and cause compression loss at high rpm. I stay even and ridge won't hurt anything even if not reamed as far as old timer taught me. Also a tooth brush works fine to clean stones and will never damage stones.

[@markkrause3569]

The liquid wrench lubes the cylinger alot and takes a long time to hone a cylinder. I was taught to use solvent insted and it will hone alot faster.

[@josaljo1]

The idea is to keep the hoing stones clean. Any thin liquid will work.

[@JT-qf4it]

Care must be taken when using a flat stone to de-glaze a cylinder. You can take off too much material if using a course stone. A flex hone is much more forgiving and gives a better cross hatch pattern. Make sure you clean all material from cylinder after honing.

[@markrich3271]

Great video. Can I give you a suggestion. Rather than liquid wrench and water use diesel fuel. Ive found it to clean and cut easier and the oil from the diesel give a great finish.

[@josaljo1]

Diesel fuel definitely does a good job, my problem is trying to get rid of it when I am done.

[@713vdubz]

There is some little rust on my cylinder walls (junkyard block) would it be fine to hone it till the rust comes out or just get the crosshatch surface on there and call it good??

[@josaljo1]

If you can get a clean cross hatch surface with no pitting and the bore measures within specs I would use it.

[@ForPropertyInvestors]

What grit stone for a diesel bore?

[@rholds1973]

Hi Jo, Just wondering if i do hone my engine, do i need to buy a new set of piston and rings? Or just use the oem?

[@josaljo1]

You need to measure the bore because it has worn and you have to get new rings Pistons if good can be reused. Your question means you have not done a lot of this so do all the reading you can on rebuilding engines before you start. Dimensions in this area are CRITICAL. If the engine is going to run right or at all.

[@shlomoamar1249]

Thx

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[@josaljo1]

Thanks for watching.

[@cerealphobe8440]

I wish you would have finished your thoughts, you had a lot of info that was coming sense to you but not too people trying to learn. . Good video regardless!

[@reyes2612]

its cool how u didn't fully honed it an showed the inperfections

[@josaljo1]

Thank you for the comment.

[@richardpope6821]

I’ve got a flathead 45. Stock bore with light scratches, could I use this method and go .005 larger pistons?

[@josaljo1]

No, get it bored .005 or whatever you need for the new piston and rings. This is for deglazing and preparing the bore so new rings will seat properly.

[@1g_dsm_life154]

Great video the obly thing you didn't mention was having 45 degree cross hatches

[@Tr4shSpirits]

Can you get ok cross hatching with a stone hone?

[@1g_dsm_life154]

@@Tr4shSpirits yes lol that is what it is for lol

[@Tr4shSpirits]

@@1g_dsm_life154 most of the videos and pics i have seen people only have horizontal markings. While the ones from flex hones have clear crosshatching. Thought maybe the stones were for rough correction and the balls for finish. Guess people just don't know how to use them?

[@TEAMCREAM_96]

does your motor burn any oil now ? I used that method on my motor and it burns about a quart after 500 miles and it just a tiny 4 cylinder

[@josaljo1]

My motors do not burn oil. Honing is a decision that is made after blueprinting the old parts. If they are found to be out of round (cylinders) then boring, not honing may be what is needed. Honing or crosshatching gives the cylinders a textured surface so the rings can seat better and have no burning of oil.

[@Nomatternow]

Thanks.🙂

[@josaljo1]

No problem.

[@phillipwicinski7992]

cool

[@leonardgilbreath9004]

just one question I've always washed the cylinders with dish soap and dryed them with air then wiped them with oil as not to rust and corrosion resistance.

[@josaljo1]

Thats perfect, when I do it with the solvent its the same thing just a little stronger. You want to gap the rings with no oil in the cylinder though. Or you wont get a true reading on the gap. That why I use a very thin oil or wipe them dry.

[@TEAMCREAM_96]

Josaljo Won I didn't know that I figured the rings would damage the cross hatches with out oil on them

[@aironnoles5588]

Say I want to bore 30 over do these hones have an expansion limiting mechanism or is there a way of limiting the expansion ?

[@dodgeramsport01]

Airon these are just hones not boring equipment

[@AutodidactEngineer]

How much do those honing attachments cost also are the abrasive stones replaceable? Best regard-

[@josaljo1]

The abrasives are replaceable but the place that sells the hone does not always sell them. Probably $30 for the whole thing.

[@leonardgilbreath9004]

I watched you video one question I've all used wd40 on my hones I've used both type's beed and stone and the stone type seems to do a better job any ideas on it thanks.

[@josaljo1]

I like the stone type because they do a smoother job in my opinion, more circular than the bead type. Wd 40 is good actually anything that will clean the stones off.

[@waltand112]

WD 40 or LPS 1 work well. I like to use stones, then finish with a bead hone.

[@ashastaxi3880]

I'm new to this, but is the drill spinning to fast to get the up/down angle cross hatch happening?

[@josaljo1]

I am not new to it. Sorry.

[@serchmarc]

can i use it and put the same old rings and improve? or not a good idead

[@josaljo1]

Not a good idea because the rings are already worn and you will cause them to wear even more to adjust to the honed cylinder.

[@jamesnope8666]

Can improperly seated rings and glazed cylinders cause a misfire under load? The reason I ask is because I have a rebuilt 302 in a 94 f150 and it runs erratically under load and my compression is between 100-110 dry and 105-140 wet. I'm afraid that I didn't break it in peoperly

[@josaljo1]

With the compression you have, it sounds more like a possible timing or valve issue.

[@jamesnope8666]

Ok

[@loidabohol7435]

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[@leonardgilbreath9004]

The block I'm going to build is out of a 78 Lincoln it has no ridge to speak of maybe 3 thousands if that .

[@josaljo1]

You should use a ridge reamer to get that out of the cylinder.Can you catch it with your fingernail?

[@nos1000100]

Question. Would ATF work as well? I was told that was the way to go.

[@josaljo1]

You could use ATF since it is oil to do the honing, but I like the liquid wrench because it seems to pick up the crud and it washes off easy in water.

[@nos1000100]

Josaljo Won alright cool👍 I'll be sure to rewatch your video before I hone out my SBC 350 small block

[@mohdabubakar2189]

Which is the best honing tool my size is 30mm to 90mm How can I get or purchase it

[@josaljo1]

www.lowes.com/pd/KD-Tools-Automotive-2-Stones-Engine-Cylinder-Hone/50190657?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-ToolsAndHardware-_-SosHandTools-_-50190657:KD_Tools&CAWELAID=&kpid=50190657&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=8ddd9ff1-1d4b-4851-b8f8-9f41aefe4a73&gclid=CjwKCAjw5ZPcBRBkEiwA-avvk8D2n2yKfYV73RlNrm5YuqHf2f2tvN3AogKqGmHizqV8LNtseIfRJhoC4d8QAvD_BwE that size is kind of hard to find.

[@owendewitt8185]

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[@amvanquish5555]

OJD1902 how?

[@hypothalamusjellolap8177]

@You might want to use a different source for your audio as it sounds a little muffled.

[@josaljo1]

I would like a remote mic, but too expensive.

[@paulwyleciol3459]

hard to understand, but I trust you man

[@josaljo1]

It has always worked for me, I have built many engines. Sorry about the explanation.

[@paulwyleciol3459]

Josaljo Won yeah, just perfect!!! Keep on! Thanks 4 posting!

[@johague9981]

👍👏

[@vintage76vipergreenBeetle]

👍

[@angelitamasbate1329]

Magkano yong halaga ng cylender honing tools?

[@davidlee6253]

Dont use the 3 prong hone. Use a ball hone. Had a 3 prong come apart as I was coming out the cylinder and one of the boys got hit down there. Ball hones are safer

[@georgekolotouros230]

Providing the cylinders are true you can do this.

[@josaljo1]

You are right, thats why a rebuild should be done before the engine comes apart. THanks for the comment.

[@bullet2068]

Any one know where i can buy this tool to hone?

[@josaljo1]

Napa, and most auto parts stores.

[@rogerdean8239]

I 've found break clean works better than anything>

[@michaelkuneman5135]

so after this you put the rings and pistons in?

[@josaljo1]

Once the cylinders are honed and wiped out. You check the rings in each cylinder and grind the rings according to the specs. Then yes the cylinders are ready for the rings and pistons.

[@morsteen]

Josaljo Won what does grind the rings mean?

[@thomasgarman7662]

morsteen filing the rings to your desired gap.

[@joe-hp4nk]

I use diesel fuel for honing.

[@jonienglish3231]

just picked one up for $20 CAD on ebay free shipping

[@josaljo1]

THanks for the comment, thats a good price.

[@anandhusivan9787]

What was the tool name

[@josaljo1]

cylinder hone

[@vernonslone8627]

If the ridge had to be removed the block probably needs to be bored...

[@josaljo1]

Possiby but not certainly

[@garyr7027]

Heck with those stones you don't know what grit they are and they wear fast. Here's what you do, get some two sided foam tape they use for car molding, preferably thick otherwise you have to double up, cut the lengths to match the stones, tape it were the stones go. Then cut strips of wet and dry sandpaper, get any grit you choose, and tape that to the foam tape. Keep oiled while honing and the sandpaper will not clog up. It's a bit time consuming changing out the paper and the tape, but this way you can choose any grit you want from start to finish. Btw, be sure to get that 45 degree cross hatch pattern on those cylinders.

[@paintnamer6403]

The cross hatch pattern is to low of an angle,look at the piston ring manufactures web site they tell you low angle retains too much oil on the walls and too steep the oil control ring will wipe off too much oil. Your hone job is better than not doing it.

[@josaljo1]

Never had a problem in 50 years with my type of pattern.

[@aldwinsangcap2663]

Honing tools

[@jonienglish3231]

went too fast came out and bruised my knuckle , rebuilding a briggs snow engine check out my 2014 craftman snow shredder rebuild , 2 nd rebuild 1st lasted 30 mins original engine ran with no oil piston seized to cylinder

[@mgjamesfin7011]

Could you possibly hone a cylinder with just sandpaper? I have a 2-stroke bike and dont want to spend moooooney on a drill

[@josaljo1]

MG James FIN At the bottom of the barrel I would use steel wool. But you are taking a chance on messing it up.

[@josaljo1]

Excellent advice, thanks texan.

[@sasquachbigfoot9070]

My wife caught me having a good time honing my 289 she wouldn't speak to me for a week.

[@josaljo1]

Yeah, sometimes it gets tough.

[@dsadzaglishvili]

U need to have piston while horning cylinder cause its waste of time without that...

[@curtis500plumton]

That is not a proper hone. You NEED to use an actual engine hone as in a Sunnen type hone - This flex hone will not true any irregularities within the bore, a Sunnen hone has a macro and micro adjustment - for a SBC to run the proper hone through it I can do the entire set of 8 in 45 minutes. With a 45 degree cross hatch pattern.

[@josaljo1]

Ok so what part of the engine now has 80000 miles on it dont you get. LOL

[@curtis500plumton]

You can keep your backyard mechanics - I will do it properly 👌

[@car852]

holy shit dude dont stop it to pull it out that made me cringe... if youre gonna do it this way pull it out while it still rotating to prevent scratching....

[@josaljo1]

You pull it out while it is rotating and you will be buying more stones than you can find. Thanks for the comment

[@Moparmaga-1]

Yes if you pull a spring loaded hone like that it will either beat the shit out of your deck before you get it out. Properly done its stopped toward the top and squeeze the arms together. Other then that the small marks won't hurt the cylinder. If your building a motor that It could hurt performance, it wouldn't be done like this anyways

[@jurosmilkovich1427]

​@@josaljo1 Yes indeed, my stones separated from the tool, due to centrifugal force, and they broke in half, too.

[@jamesradabaugh2562]

what the fuck are you doing your going to have to redo it your not post to stop the drill when you pull the hone out

[@josaljo1]

When you pull the drill out of the cylinder, you do it just before the drill stops so you do not get scratches in the top edge of the cylinder.