How to Use Craftworld Eldar Dire Avengers In 10th Edition-“An Aspect Warrior Series”

[@ProxyHammer1]

I incorrectly stated in this video that Dire Avengers did not have close combat weapons which is incorrect. They do not have them on the GW app but there are in the index. Apologies for the confusion it’s something that went over my head 😅

[@Ransungg]

Dire avengers with asurmen are becoming one of my favorite objective contenders for area denial and holding a no mans land objective.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Same here man! They are absolutely invaluable in that role!

[@izzydarkhart4144]

I have been running them in 10 and a wave serpent with asurman, and they have been doing perfectly, and I have run them in every list.

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are a solid backbone unit!

[@izzydarkhart4144]

​@@ProxyHammer1 And close combat weapons seem to just be a mess up in the app because the actual index you can download says there close combat stats. So I guess always refer to the index for current rules sense that is what tournaments are using now.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@izzydarkhart4144 Ya that’s what I’ll do moving forward lol 😂 for sure!

[@darktowergames532]

Love the channel, and the enunciation of phoenix lords names. lol

[@ProxyHammer1]

Thank you as always 😉

[@DrivetheParkway]

Planning on running an Aspect Warriors + Phoenix Lords leaning list going into 10th 🤘 gonna use the Wave Serpent/Dire Avengers/Asurmen bomb, the Falcon/Fire Dragons/Fuegan, and gonna try out Maugan Ra with a gang of Dark Reapers. Also got some Shadow Spectres coming in the mail, so lookin forward to trying those bad boys out as well!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Nice dude I love it! Aspect warriors are pretty strong this edition still just a bit different!

[@DrivetheParkway]

@@ProxyHammer1 yeah for sure! I was building a sub-optimal Hail of Doom list at the tail end of 9th and I was kinda bummed at first seeing how aspects were panning out, but I’m still optimistic even though they lost a lot of their sick power ranger abilities

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@DrivetheParkway Absolutely! They are still strong for the cost!

[@sachahengl]

Awesome insight on this unit in v10! Thanks for the video :)

[@ProxyHammer1]

My pleasure! Love my Avengers so definitely needed to give them a shoutout

[@GTXanatos13]

More sophisticated than my guess on reading the title "shoot stuff. a lot." Now we just need a plastic asurmen.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Like all Eldar units there are clever ways to use them upon third and fourth inspections! And yes we do need a plastic assman!

[@Robertsmith-un5cu]

I had a 1k list with asurmen and dire avengers with 10. Also had 10 wraithguard with spiritseer. Played GSC. It was a slaughtered. all my shooting + double overwatch with both units + shooting back when shot. It was nuts. The dire avengers did all end up dying, but the enemy was tabled. They did slaughtered an entire unit of infantry and finished off a rock crusher with volume of fire. Im enjoying 10th a lot with so many cool choices.

[@javilo2797]

You gotta shot wraiths with all you got or leave em alone

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are very strong! Especially against lighter infantry like GSC

[@jamiemunn9200]

Love love love my 10 man w/ Ass Man and Wave Serpent! Staple in every list for me.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Got to love the Assman! 😆

[@maxmagnus377]

Now all we need is an Asurmen model that isn't from 1994...

[@ProxyHammer1]

Tell me about it! Lol 😂

[@InfinateRadiant]

Major Minis has a great Asurman model for $20!

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@InfinateRadiant Really! Had no idea! Is it authentic?

[@hjonkers448]

Funnily enough the cimbat weapon doesn't show on the app for dire avengers but does on the physical index cards

[@ProxyHammer1]

That’s so weird? Is that the same with Storm guardians?

[@hjonkers448]

@@ProxyHammer1 yeah it is, i didn't notice that one cause i had only really referenced the physical cards for them

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@hjonkers448 Damn well at least some of the errors are app related 🫤

[@ThKiller458]

Either going to keep them on a home objective to kill deepstrikers or throw em up in a waveserpent with a banshee squad? They have good utility I think

[@ProxyHammer1]

That they do!! Although it’s probably not worth Overwatching with only 5 models

[@ThKiller458]

@ProxyHammer1 I may shift things around in my escalation league list, maybe replace a second spiritseer and wraithseer combo for a falcon and dire avenger squad. The wraithlord with bright lances are doing solid anti tank!

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@ThKiller458 The lords with dual lances is great!

[@Bodya_CN]

From my experience, they are still a pretty capable workhorse. And also an instrument to get Asurmen into close combat 😅 (unrelated, got fucking annihilated today by the Guilliman's parking lot in two turns, very sad 😢)

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya that’s a tough list to go against unless you have Wraithknights which ironically also don’t do well if they go first. Heavy reserves are your best bet there and just eliminating his indirect fire

[@javilo2797]

Aka the insta-counter to those cheeky warp spiders tank spam lists play

[@ProxyHammer1]

You know it!

[@TheBargles]

My plan is to have 10 with Asurmen scoot into a mid field ruin turn 1 using a fate die if I want to advance 6, shoot, overwatch in the opponent's movement phase, and then phantasm out of the ruin so they can't be seen. You can do this repeatedly for 1 cp a turn AKA for free if you have an Autarch and getting out of LOS will make them last longer. Guide lasts until your next command phase and lets you re-roll the hit roll not faield hit rolls, so you can fish for more lethal hits against tough targets and re-roll your hits in Overwatch. Also, if you can get them onto some elevation for Plunging Fire, you're going to really rinse some stuff. Couple that with a cheeky Bladestorm for -3 AP! I think if we didn't have so many other busted things to start out, Avengers would probably have more hype than they do. It takes some coordination but they can really smack some stuff.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya dude absolutely! Sounds like a master plan! I would beware of indirect fire but then again there’s nothing we can really do against that anyways 🤔

[@oliverp3545]

MSU DA work pretty well for being both backup objective holders and encouraging your opponent having to commit to a point due to the Overwatch.

[@ProxyHammer1]

You could have a good point there, truthfully though I have found that guardians and rangers are better due to their lower point values.

[@paul-ascylteaguila5545]

@@ProxyHammer1 I'm trying to make them work with the Falcon's full wound reroll atm (because I have the model since the time it was the only eldar tank available), but I'm afraid they'll be overwatched to death on disembarking.

[@oliverp3545]

@ProxyHammer1 it'll be down to if you're against an opponent like AdMech or SoB where you know they'll bring light infantry to try and hold the points, and so Overwatch can knock out a decent chunk of the unit.

[@oliverp3545]

@paul-ascylteaguila5545 trick here is to have several potential Overwatch targets for your opponent, sacrificing a squad of DA is better than losing 2 Wraithguard or a unit of Spiders.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@oliverp3545 Fair point and true!

[@aralynn40k]

I have to say I haven't found much success with dire avengers in 10th, that they aren't even in my list anymore. I just miss the day when 5 of these guys with guide and doom (I wasn't even playing hail of doom), and the shuriken rule on 4s exarch power would 1 shot a redemptor. I probably should give Asurmen a go though, I've only run a unit of 5 ever in 10th

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are really strong if placed well in the early game as long as they are protected from shooting and indirect. They definitely are not going to be able to one shot a redemptor anymore though and arguably never should have been lol 😂

[@Dracowinges]

I always consider Overwatch to be nigh on useless and a waste of cp(unles you are shooting 20+ shots or a flamer and 10 shots), BUTT with the 4+ to hit it might, might, be usefull. I do love my dakkapults.

[@ProxyHammer1]

It’s really good man especially with guide thrown on them!

[@hjonkers448]

The 33 shots can hit really hard. Even when you're wounding on 5s, you can kill small Calvary units, or damage units that are going to be an immediate threat to your dire avengers.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@hjonkers448 Absolutely agree! I love them so far!

[@peters6345]

I have 70 pts left on my 1000 pts list. Really torn between 5 dire avengers or 5 Voidreavers with a blaster and swords

[@ProxyHammer1]

I would run the voidreavers personally. They have scout and that reroll to hit and wound is useful on the blaster.

[@peters6345]

@@ProxyHammer1 yeah I think might serve me better

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@peters6345 Most likely!

[@nickthenoodle9206]

Dire Avengers are certainly very playable at present, but they remain a missed opportunity. They should be for removing chaff of objects, not holding them. Sustained hits, to make them more effective against lighter troops, would be more appropriate, than lethal hits, which can damage high toughness targets. Guardian defenders should have Defence Tactics, and Avengers should have sticky objectives, ie a Sweep and Clear role. Just my 2 cents.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya I think sustained hits would have been the better move!

[@davidfeline5850]

Comments for Asurmen

[@ProxyHammer1]

For Khaine!

[@nickthenoodle9206]

The real problem with Avengers is that they are not the all purpose, but general, infantry of Lore. I can forgive that. They are an aspect warrior, one that has a particular fighting style, as do all the rest. Lethal Hits is the wrong ability for their catapult. As groovy as it is, Defence tactics is also wrong. Dire Avengers don't hold objectives. Game wise, they are not really equipped to do so either. Dire Avengers should be awesome against chaff. I would suggest not only with their catapults, but in melee. Perhaps 4 attacks with their melee weapons as standard against T3 modules or lower?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Agreed. I think Sustained hits would be nice as well as fight first when charged (can also get sustained to represent them using the shurikens in combat as they are known to throw them as well when not using their catapults)!

[@Zharunash]

What I am still bitter about is that they STILL haven't managed to make the Exarch weapons aside 2 shuriken catapults interesting. The box allows any combination to assamble and the rules should reflect that. It is very boring, that you are basically forced to take double catapults. I would love to take a sword or a glave together with 1 catapult. Or at least make the shuriken pistol into a "avanger shuriken pistol" with 18" range and lethal hits... With a new Codex I hope that they finally take a closer look at exarch weapons overall, as there are so many dead options. Another example is the shuriken cannon on a reaper exarch, which i really want to take, but for real it's like a downgrade...

[@ProxyHammer1]

I totally agree! All Exarch weapons should be properly balanced. I’d honestly love a reason to take the diresword again

[@jfm.d5180]

The index gives them a close combat weapon. I think you might need to re-release this video. The app is broken but the indexes themselves are working fine. It also come and Sandy weapon choices for the exarch.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ahhh ok I’ll make a correction in the comments! Thanks for the heads up!