How to Use GTO+ Part 4: Data Aggregation & Other Advanced Tips

[@BartomiejBanas]

Your clarity of mind is impressive. Great job!

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@dschungelheissmann]

Best tutorial i have seen on GTO+. A lot of god tips on how to use it efficiently without jumping over any needed step or concept. Congrats!

[@ZZArmory]

Awesome vids! Another reason GTO+ is so great is because the developer is super active in the forums and will often implement your ideas and tips very quickly.

[@jennky8447]

As an informatacist, you're speaking my language. Macro-level and trend analysis makes sense to me, data speaks clear. I never before considered applying this to poker b/c I'm a live player & solvers seemed out of reach - DUH! Better late than never, this ties it all together. Real lightbulb moments. Thank you.

[@keithjackson5531]

This is the most incredible video, how did I not see this before, now I can start to study more effectively!!

[@freedom2010usus]

so first, I wanna say THANK YOU for this series of GTO+. it really helps me a lot with using this solver. and I do believe many people like me who are new to the solver world really appreciate your time and hard work.

[@T_h_o_m_a_s_2_7]

A very professional lecture. Thank you

[@catalinmihai7114]

After watching all your videos on GTO+, I have decided to purchase it ..actually I just did it!!! :) Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts, in a very clear and professional manner! Happy new year 2021!

[@SolverSchool]

Great to hear!

[@AIBookshelf-e3n]

Спасибо! это очень продуктивные обучающие видео по GTO+, которые я смог найти на KZbin . И учитывая, что мне пришлось просмотреть все видео, через перевод субтитров с английского на русский язык, все вопросы по программе были закрыты ! Буду ждать ваши новые видео! Здоровья! Счастья! Удачи!

[@paulroberts9835]

I just want to echo the comments below really. This set of videos was so useful and so well put together and presented. They have helped me tremendously and I want to say thank you and well done.

[@karissatanti1586]

Thank you so much! I’m so glad I came across this series! I’ve just finished my job and taking some time off to play poker and study is not my strong suit but know I need too and I also know GTO is an area I need to focus more of my attention. Episode 3 really got me excited with the node locking and changing opponents more likely response to my action. Thank you heaps and look forward to watching your other videos!

[@blackmarketingtb]

Thanks man, your videos are the best I've found all over the internet. Thanks for sharing ! GL at the tables!

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks very much!

[@SirenGhostsong]

Your videos are incredibly informative, thank you so much for providing such awesome content. This series has been so great, very concise and informative.

[@gaetanosalvo1609]

A great video series, all the 4 videos are really useful and helpful! Great job Michael, thank you so much!

[@alejofernandez2283]

Thank you very much for all your knowledge shared in these series!! It really helped me a lot. Thanks again!

[@SolverSchool]

You're very welcome. Glad it was helpful!

[@ProTacooRS]

Truly amazing video

[@maetes5337]

Definitely the best Solver content I have come across so far...would love to see more of this and/or some other POKER related topics! Thanks for your efforts!

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@spshugyosha]

This was too good !! Thanks for your effort !!

[@cutthefares4103]

Thankyou for the video Sir!! Appreciate you're efforts

[@badnewzbert]

Great video on how to do scripting with GTO+. Thanks for sharing!

[@johndonut3959]

Thanks for this Mike, it was super helpful. Very appreciative.

[@bslay4r]

Thanks for this series. I'm surprised you didn't talk about the "Play against the solution" feature, that's the biggest reason I'm gonna buy this solver, as they say practice makes perfect. Another choice would be the GTOwizard which also has this feature but I'm piss poor from a central EU country just starting all over again poker from microstakes after years. Btw after this series I'm pretty much unsure why would anyone choose PIOsolver versus GTO+. This is better in every way and much cheaper.

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the kind words. I recorded this in June 2020, which was before the "play against the solution" feature was added to GTO+. I agree though - it's a great feature. Pio has it as well though. But I agree, for a majority of people, I would recommend GTO+ over Pio.

[@DoNsMaK190]

had issue with my 12 gb ram , thanks to u been editing trees now ! and also running it at 5% ! liked subbed ^^

[@SolverSchool]

Glad I could help. Thanks for the sub!!

[@criticodebafos7903]

Thank you so much for this content bro! It's really amazing!

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the kind words. Glad it helped!!

[@pedromartins7747]

These videos were incredibly helpful. As a low to mid stakes live player, I thought solvers were of little interest to me given the lack of gto play in the player pool. The idea of node locking showed me how wrong I was and how I can adapt the optimal strategy taking the player tendencies into account. I do have a question - can you do any node locking within the database mode and do you think it would make sense?

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks Pedro! Node locking in database mode is not something you really can do -- the main reason is that the cards are different from board to board. So it's impossible to just say "bet all Kx hands" for example, because the board cards would differ from board to board, and so would the relative strength of those Kx hands.

[@mattiacontini6688]

Hi @Michael Lukich I just found now your great contents on KZbin and I watched the whole series of GTO+ but I don't understand if I can use it to analyze spots for spins format because I'm a spins player. Do u know if it's available also for a 32bit machine? Thanks again to share your knowledges! ciao

[@SolverSchool]

I'm not super familiar with the format of spins, but the prize tab can be used on the Sit and Go tab to simulate ICM. The general concept is that, unlike cash games, each individual chip is not worth the same amount in terms of dollars since winning all the chips (getting first in the tourney) does not give you all the money in the prize pool. GTO+ isn't the best tool out there to incorporate ICM, but you can do so for some simpler calcs.

[@mattiacontini6688]

@@SolverSchool Thanks for your answer! I gotcha so basically if I want to analyze a spot for spins format I've to choose the CG tab. I'll keep to follow you here and on your website. Have a good day :) ciao

[@isaacpalmer6249]

Incredible series - thank you! Do you know how to set up Excel in a way that mirrors the database mode in GTO+? As in, drop down lists which allow you to toggle 'Larger sizing', 'Check' etc. and it will list that particular column in descending/ascending but also take the rest of the row with it. I know how to 'Sort' but obv this then removes those column values from their corresponding rows. I've tried to google but struggling...

[@SolverSchool]

You could copy/paste it into Excel and use the Filter capability. You may have to do some data manipulation to get the workbook in a format that you can apply filters, but once you do, the native Filter functionality does all of this. Here’s a good link that’ll help you get started: support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/filter-data-in-a-range-or-table-01832226-31b5-4568-8806-38c37dcc180e

[@lucjah2868]

nice video! I am really interested to know what the difference is between the white color text (like AA and 54s in your video @25:10) and black color text in the aggregate report hand range chart (like 77 and AQo). I hope you know this!

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks. There is no difference. GTO+ just formats it that way when the shading gets dark enough to differentiate it from the background color.

[@lostmagicdude888]

Your videos are amazing!!! I was solving a full 163 solves and solved 30 but don't know how to save the solves for the future other than one at a time... Do I have to make a .gto file for each of the 163 flops?

[@SolverSchool]

If you solve in database mode, it stores all 163 flops in the same .GTO file - it does get a little big in size though.

[@lostmagicdude888]

@@SolverSchool oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh I am a silly-willy thank you so much idk how I didn't figure that out and your comment seriously I am very appreciative of. Yes the file size is many Gbs and takes a few seconds for GTO+ to open... I might try to break the 163 flops down into 4 groups of 41... If I want all 163 but want to split it into 4 groups but I already have the 163 solved would I probably have to restart the solving process and load the 163 flops then delete 123 so that there are 40 left and remember which ones I deleted kind of thing? rinse and repeat for the 4 different sets of 41?

[@martinrobins5196]

really good and informative series, the only thing im curious about is using the "with 2 bets left get the $ in smoothly" imo im not sure we should have this switched on as it will over ride our input bet sizes, this will especialy effect overbets?

[@SolverSchool]

That's a good observation and could definitely happen with certain SPR values. Some like the smoothing effect when there are 2 bets left. Others would rather overbet jam on 1 street instead of splitting over 2 streets. I tend to think this is a matter of preference and something to test. You could also keep this on and edit the tree to customize how you like.

[@jean-pierrelebeuf5786]

Great video!The formula for EQR will be EV/Equity/100xpot size. Is that right?

[@SolverSchool]

Yes I think you're right, but rewriting with parenthesis to avoid confusion. EQR = 100 * (EV / (Equity * Pot Size) )

[@lliliiliillliliiliili5180]

Is there a way to compare both player's ranges simultaneously in a given spot? To see the EV or equity of both ranges compared? That would make it easier to visualize certain range/nut advantages

[@SolverSchool]

Unfortunately, there's not an easy way to do this. The best thing you can do is open the same file 2x and compare them side-by-side that way.

[@lliliiliillliliiliili5180]

@@SolverSchool Hmm, that kinda sucks haha. Any plans to integrate something like that in the future?

[@SolverSchool]

@@lliliiliillliliiliili5180 not sure. I'm not the developer of GTO+ - just someone who knows how to use it. It's a minor inconvenience to open the same file twice to be honest. You just have to have 2 windows open but does what you're suggesting.

[@lliliiliillliliiliili5180]

@@SolverSchool I suppose, however when you solve a bunch of trees one GTO+ window consumes over 32giggs of ram, so thats not super feasible. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion

[@badhabitpoker4692]

this whole series was so good you could of charged. Take it down package it up, get paid. You deserve it. Especially, LIke you gave it value for microstakes palyers, with the node locking, PUt in how micro players play. 70 dollar price point is fine for them. You could of charged for this. I went from knowing nothing, knowing a lot.

[@SolverSchool]

Thank you very much. That’s very kind. Glad it was helpful to you!

[@patriciofalotico1940]

amazings tutorials, really thanks, i have a noob and maybe dumb question, when you solve lets say 10 flops, there is a way to save those solved flops, and then change the ranges, or i have to solve 10 flops differents day and differents formations, idk i you could understand me, thanks !!

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the kind words! In your example, are you trying to resolve those 10 flops with the same new range? Or are you trying to node lock for those flops? One of the limitations of solvers is the inability to "mass node lock". Because each board is different, each set of ranges and how they interact with those unique boards differ as well. And as a result, it becomes challenging to scale these types of analyses.

[@patriciofalotico1940]

@@SolverSchool thanks beast, i really apreciatte !

[@SolverSchool]

@@patriciofalotico1940 you got it. If you haven't already, sign up to my brand new free newsletter for more solver-focused content in your inbox 2x monthly! www.solverschool.com/subscribe

[@FelixBuzin]

thank you very much! It really helped me :)

[@RobSteel117]

do you know if we can use the flop breakdown selection tool in flopzilla to specify the flops we want to run solutions for ?

[@SolverSchool]

Sorry, I don't know if you can do that or not using Flopzilla

[@gitandsos1619]

thank you so much!

[@robertocarvallo4019]

now i dont have the agreggate section in the gto+ . what happend with that visualization?

[@SolverSchool]

Sorry not sure what you’re referring to. I’d recommend reaching out to GTO+ support if you’re running into any issues. Also make sure you’re on the latest version.

[@francisconogueira2855]

how can i find a c-bet turn stats for all boards and runnouts?

[@SolverSchool]

Not sure who has done this work that you can reference. It’s on my list to do eventually!

[@kenavo4003]

Very Good job. Thank you

[@notasuperuser]

I have a question in regards to database. What do I do if I (and I do) want to analyze certain flops with different tree decisions as well as different flops against different type of ranges and/or different tree decisions? Do i need to duplicate the flops and run each flop with different tree decisions and ranges ? ( I.E analyzing BtnvsBB, BTNvsSB and eveyr other position?) How do I do that? Thanks a lot. Also, why do I need to run it in an excel? what does it provide that I can't do simply by looking at GTO+? Google spreadsheet can do the job as well as Excel for that purpose?

[@SolverSchool]

Yeah database mode is great to dig into a lot of different flops, but the configuration (ranges, bet options, etc.) has to be consistent for every board. So if you want to look at a different situation, you have to build another database. There are really cool things you can do with that type of analysis -- it's just labor and solve intensive. But I was just talking with a coaching client about that yesterday. We're building multiple databases with 1 variable changed in each (different ranges, different stack sizes) to quantify the effect. The one thing I'd recommend in these cases is using smaller subsets. I used 184-flops to look at spots in depth, but to examine the deltas when changing variables, I would probably use a subset of

[@notasuperuser]

@@SolverSchool Thanks for the comment. So yeah, I wanna build a database that has different ranges(stack sizes is less important) and see how ranges fare for countless of hands. With that data, i'd like to make a comprehensive chart and study it nonstop. Are there any plans to do coaching with that coach and teach GTO even more extensively? have you tried working with FlopzillaPRO as well? they work in tandem.

[@SolverSchool]

That’s exactly what my workbooks are. I have 30+ different formations with different ranges and have solved them all over 184 flops to see how different ranges perform at equilibrium on various boards. It’s also a lot of what I base my own coaching (and personal study) on. Yep, I do use Flopzilla Pro. Per a suggestion, I’m going to make a 5th video in the future that demonstrates how to use the two together.

[@notasuperuser]

@@SolverSchool When you write a workbook for 100bb deep 6max I would like to know about it please. Also, how do you run 184 flops when the max subset I have is 164? will you make a workbook that includes turn and river equity and how it helps each player?

[@SolverSchool]

I do this work in PioSolver - I think it’s a little better for the database analysis work. The subset I use is here: www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/62725637-choosing-a-subset-of-flops-to-represent-the-whole-game Yes, I’ll let you know when it’s done. It should have been done a while ago. I have struggled a bit recently with motivation and have been slacking a little bit.

[@modeob88]

im wondering if you are going to make a video that teach us, how to tranformate all this data in actual strategies on the table. I do not wanna be hard but at the moment this video could be created for someone who is very good teaching on how to use software and manipulates data, but who dont know anything about poker. But maybe that was your goal and its ok.

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the note Modesto. I may create some content like that in the future, but most of my interest at the moment lies in teaching people how to use solvers as a technology -- not necessarily on teaching strategy.

[@modeob88]

@@SolverSchool I hope you dont take my wrong, this series was outstanding on how to start learning how to use GTO, im kind of amateur poker player, at the moment playing nl50 and nl100. But im wondering how a player on my stakes can start using GTO to improve the game with real examples and so on, it would be great to have that kind of stuff. Thanks the high content of course and if you know someone who makes tht kind of content it would be great to know.

[@SolverSchool]

@@modeob88 No offense taken at all! I didn't go down that route with my content, because there are other poker pros that do a great job of it as it is! I'd recommend content at Upswing Poker or Run it Once if you're looking to improve using GTO strategies. If you're more of a live player and want to dive into more exploitative live concepts, Solve for Why is a great choice too.

[@bbapoker]

omg :hearteyes: , so good this was exactly my question how to manage data , thank you so much , really.

[@keesdejong5712]

The solver keep saying, "insufficient memory". Please somebody help me.

[@SolverSchool]

That means that your computer doesn't have enough RAM to complete your solve. So you'll either need to get more RAM or simplify your game tree by removing bet size options.

[@keesdejong5712]

@@SolverSchool damn. Does this also mean I have to buy a new license when I buy a new pc?

[@SolverSchool]

@@keesdejong5712 Nope - you can transfer your license over to your new hardware. I believe there are instructions on the GTO+ site

[@bebla8381]

thank u n4

[@TetaBall]

Feels so wrong getting all this info for free. Should defo post your btc address so those who want to thank you can.

[@SolverSchool]

Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate the sentiment. I have some projects in the work that I plan to go to market with. These videos will stay free, but you can check out my other work at my website - lukich.io.

[@pierrotlefou7103]

thank you very much ❤