How to Use Macro Knowledge to Beat Coordinated 4-Man SWFs - Dead by Daylight

I went a bit analysis-heavy during this live match against 4 compish people so I figured it would be useful to watch to know "when to do stuff"
/ scottjund

[@yourbinman]

i can’t believe scott leaked the new killer in his thumbnail

[@Black_chinese_monster]

Its the new unreleased slipknot mask

[@mrverminski7914]

The Spund

[@artimus4198]

the play doh man

[@brucetheiiird9380]

New killer the allergy

[@NoName-lk8ij]

No one cared who Scoot was until he put on the mask. -CIA guy or something

[@Nimogen55]

"Comp players have girlfriends, they're just kids" Scott exposing comp players

[@ExcessCongruence]

he was so real for saying that..

[@ScottJund]

its not even an insult, the majority of them are legally children

[@MichaelMcDonald20]

I thought this was a pdf file reference lol

[@calebshepard6923]

@@MichaelMcDonald20I did a double take 😂

[@KatyaAbc575]

Okay, but surely there are comp players with boyfriends as well, right?

[@lila.sorelli]

This is your best thumbnail yet

[@misterbonkers]

swf couldn't handle the might of funny_bean94

[@elstrangeenemy887]

So essentially just have a killer that can traverse the map faster than they can tell each other to run into a safe spot? Gotcha

[@keltonschleyer6367]

Yes. Skill issue.

[@user-ul9qq1ef3f]

beat me to it. step one is literally play billy, blight, wesker

[@ScottJund]

yeah if you're playing pig or something there is no conceivable way to win with 12 hooks. you could try giga tunneling but even then you'd probably only get 2 kills.

[@TheLogicalBeast]

Even with full slowdown builds Scott? e.g. Surge, Pain Resonance/Grim Embrace, Dead Man's Switch, No Way Out and iri/strongest addons? Pig for example, Iri tape and Rules 2 is such a mean addon combo, especially when paired with RPD/Midwich offering

[@HelluGoes]

@@TheLogicalBeast who even uses map offerings, except survivors

[@ToonLinkGotT]

Sorry Scoot but im too dumb for macro knowledge. I just hold forward at the survivors and hope for the best

[@rabbidguarddog]

Facts sometimes...when I press the m2 button... I hit them.

[@atrozzorta9602]

to be fair Scott didn't really show any "macro knowledge" either except for his first chase with Nancy where he said fuck this setup and at the end with Ada, but he saw her on BBQ, not a ton of "macro knowledge" when you saw her aura disappear right next to a generator.

[@JaySkottTV]

“Not 1 gg?” Story of my life

[@Brisingr73]

You tend to get one when the opponent wins 😋

[@skerpi4068]

Now let's see Paul Allen's macro knowledge while playing trapper

[@Pyrax-Tunneled-You]

New leaked bubba mask in thumbnail!

[@CrazyKevin1231]

SCOTT THERES SOMEONE BEHIND YOU!!!! WATCH OUT!!!!

[@mitchsz]

This was one of the best matches I've seen on a public lobby, congrats!

[@ExcessCongruence]

found a guy that has a gf here!

[@doin10hitcombos]

Nice to be reminded of how juiced Scotticus Jundicus is at this game

[@CamwenUwU]

Damn Scott, your billy has improved a ton. Sick game

[@afonsius7907]

Sure, any killer with insane movement can detatch and leave a bad chase with ease, normal 115 or 110 killers don't have that luxury sadly, just takes too much time to get anywhere. If you detatch too much you get nothing done, and if you are forced to commit to a bad chase or you end up getting flashlighted or pallet saved it's that much more brutal. Which tbh map traversal seems to be the main factor that diferentiates the top killers from the rest.

[@univalvefoilstrong1184]

Skill issue

[@ScottJund]

keep it mind i went for 12 hooks here which is extremely unneccessary, especially against a good team. on a weaker killer you could play a lot more ruthlessly and get decent results but yeah, you're not winning this with a bottom tier killer

[@bcij1137]

@@ScottJund also you were using just one gen perk. Let's not pretend the current meta consists of 3 gen perks most of the time. That alone gives more wiggle room for the weaker killers

[@TheLogicalBeast]

​@@bcij1137Not wrong, it's why I run full slowdown on Pig otherwise gens just fly 😧. But against good teams there's a limit to the results you'd get, some games I'm like "do I push for the 1/2k or let them walk?"

[@thedutywarlord264]

​@@TheLogicalBeasteven with 4 slowdown pig is just a bad killer ... pig's weakness is predropping pallets lol

[@TheLovecraftian]

Ada Wong did not bring Buckle the Peepo, good for her.

[@noahcollins1211]

Scotchua junderson

[@SouperBaked]

comp player names are the new "Hex: ???" names.

[@Irondragon1945]

gg scott, damn that was impressive!

[@TheGamingManiac]

If ur playing something like Clown, Pig, Trapper or whatever you're gonna need more than just macro knowledge. Either alot of slowdown perks or tunneling would be necessary

[@squadcar6094]

Dang that deserved a GG back. You played well and so did they. Good reads, good video.

[@BasementDweller_]

The thumbnail jumpscared me.

[@muysli.y1855]

I can't sleep anymore

[@alienheadbite1shot]

Scott has evolved into Slipscott, hes unstoppable

[@Enzym3]

Going against SWFs is just playing a killer with fast enough map traversal to go back to a gen before their teammates can tell each other to pre-run

[@vaads7743]

scott im being recommended your old shorts again

[@TheHammockProduction]

the problem with playing as efficient as possible is that you become predictable. that is why i play goofy trapper and place traps in negative iq spots so good players wont expect them.

[@mcr00kes]

Exactly this. Predictability is an underated yet substantial weakness. Mixing up unpredictable perks and builds, as well as playstyles, can really mess up opponents. As a randomizer player, a fair bit of the successes I have are down to getting value out of unusual perks or playstyles.

[@keltonschleyer6367]

It’s always the random trap in the middle of a field that snowballs the game.

[@ToadrixAce]

did you close the daily to save the points for later since you almost had 2 mil?

[@garasb660]

Step 1: Play a top 5 killer Step 2: now you can watch the video

[@atrozzorta9602]

Also I love that Scott is patting himself on the back so much by saying he used "macro knowledge" which he did a shit job of trying to explain that in a previous video, and in this video the only instances of "macro knowledge" were his first chase against Nancy when he said fuck this setup and left, and at the end when he SAW Ada's aura with BBQ+LP and saw her aura disappear right next to one of the last three generators. What a crazy amount of macro "knowledge".

[@ScottJund]

@@atrozzorta9602 why do you keep posting this comment, let it go

[@atrozzorta9602]

@@ScottJund Because it's true? And you say "keep posting" like I've been doing it for days or several times. I posted it twice. Does it really bother you that much? lol

[@carlthepumpkinman]

I heard tell that endurance is bugged so thay if you take a hit it doesnt go away. So if you mend you're good to take another one if you still have time and dont do a conspicuous action

[@TheToaster832]

A new killer so soon? What is killer Scott's power?

[@jackbennett2269]

even watching dbd i have to turn my brightness up

[@Yobamos]

Aspiring Billy main previously Oni main here, asking if anyone in the comments recommends learning consistently with a certain set of add ons or is it purely preference based? ExWhen I learned Oni topknot was still broken and it was better to learn to truly practice without it. Thoughts?

[@thedutywarlord264]

Im a p100 billy main and you can try to learn with or without addons it make no difference expect for the lo pro addon ( please dont use it because you dont learn to curve around pallets with this addons) .

[@PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH]

to get the best feeling for a killer go for some time without any addons. its easier to get the feeling for curve timing etc. i would never start learning anything with addons

[@orange-os7nh]

No perks m2 only if you want to practice curves. If you specifically want to practice overdrive use speed limiter. It increases overdrive gain and you have to hit the survivor an extra time so extra curves

[@pistolmoth4198]

I can’t play Billy without double turning addons. Just feels wrong

[@thedutywarlord264]

@@pistolmoth4198 i hope you know it's just for map traversing and not for curving around loop ?

[@cookiecreep9204]

Step 1: play a killer that can win despite the awful call outs Step 2: be inhumanly good at said killer...

[@atrozzorta9602]

Also I love that Scott is patting himself on the back so much by saying he used "macro knowledge" which he did a shit job of trying to explain that in a previous video, and in this video the only instances of "macro knowledge" were his first chase against Nancy when he said fuck this setup and left, and at the end when he SAW Ada's aura with BBQ+LP and saw her aura disappear right next to one of the last three generators. What a crazy amount of macro "knowledge". Always drives me insane that some people, like Scott, give people advice and say stupid shit like "tunneling isn't needed", but somehow forget the insane amount of hours that they have in the game compared to 99% of the population.

[@BryanKlean]

scott jundle makes me crundle

[@Styxir]

I played against a team playing all of the same characters with all of the same names just earlier tonight which is hilarious. I was playing Deathslinger and didn't manage a kill but it was a fun game.

[@undertaker2766]

Okay but with this thumbnail you were legally obliged to play bubba, I'm reporting you on the next bubba committee.

[@pigeon_chest]

0:36 - The Swing is a powerful thing! It gets kind of ridiculous on bad ping players. 9:59 - I have none of this, I have "Spies From the Shadows" and a dent in my skull. :D

[@cake2531]

8 hooks is never an accident

[@Adachifan54]

Scott Jund Jelq record?

[@viralshark]

Be good at billy and have lethal/bbq, got it.

[@seelthedeal_]

they need to add a heatingpadface cosmetic for bubba

[@marshmallowmarshes]

I don't remember last time I played SWF and didn't say gg after, bros are kinda weird champs

[@Biglordchungass]

Scott do the Scott shaker

[@auzell1449]

“Bro, not 1 gg?” Of course not, Scott. They didn’t completely destroy you with a 4-man out, why would they say gg?

[@heshaamjaved4385]

How do you know where everyone is and what gens they’re working on? I feel like I know how to pressurise survivors but my tracking needs improvement

[@ScottJund]

its usually just educated guessing with process of elimination. if im chasing someone i usually look around me and can see ~ 2 gens. If there is no one on either, i can assume the other gens have a much higher likelihood of being occupied. try looking around outside your chase while youre still inside it. it helps a lot

[@mystoc3995]

she touched a gen right wasn't pointless? you still make no noise for 90 seconds after getting unhooked regardless of whether you still have endurance or not 1:55

[@lil_xxmaryjchistxx9478]

Billy be crazy these days😂

[@zello4075]

“No the love has to be for their 14 year old girlfriends” Very clever lel

[@SonnyJim173]

Your mask should be skin in the game, i want it now

[@ari16mcr76]

why the gimp mask in the thumbnail?

[@SurvivalHorrorEntertainment]

Cool, all it took was infinite 1 hit down and infinite map mobility. Can't wait to use this macro with Freddy, or Pig, or Trapper, or anyone else that don't have all game 1 hit downs and infinite map mobility vs a comp team.

[@ScottJund]

that's less a comment on DBD's balance and more a comment on how bad those specific killers are.

[@SurvivalHorrorEntertainment]

@@ScottJund Them killers being that bad are apart of DBD Balance.

[@ScottJund]

@@SurvivalHorrorEntertainment okay then dbd is killer sided because nurse and blight exists. the point is it is not a general balancing issue, those killers are just really dogshit and need to be buffed.

[@SurvivalHorrorEntertainment]

@@ScottJund I agree they need to be buffed to keep up with the better killers so we can get some actual killer variety in matches. I would not say the game is killer sided it is just Nurse and Blight seem to be the devs favorites and refuse to touch them other than giving them some minor slap on the wrist nerf that don't actually do anything to them. But Freddy can put a puddle on the floor to op, Pig can see boxes lol to op.

[@grenadier4702]

Imagine their vc "this killer is so broken duddee.eee...."

[@ThatOneFemboy]

I was the Nancy, our vc was me shit talking my team asking why they’re going down in 2 seconds and getting crossmapped 😭

[@alowaski]

'comp players have girtlfriends pub players have harems' what does that MEAN

[@flashpoint5292]

If you force a Billy to M1, consider yourself an opp

[@ski6035]

I'm not belittling the importance of "Macroknowledge" but I'd like to see this done with wraith, doctor, slinger, any other weakish killer that doesn't have some of the fastest map travel in the game and basekit one shots

[@latrodectahespara2728]

It wouldn't look the same but the same _principle_ would apply. The game would be harder, obviously, but the idea of knowing where things are happening and where your effort is best spent is, if anything, _more_ important on those killers than on a killer like Billy that can correct for misplays easier by zooming to where you're meant to be. As an aside, Wraith has really good map traversal. It's not as good as like, Billy or Blight, but Wraith's pretty speedy, especially with Windstorm.

[@ScottJund]

Wraith could actually do this if he tunneled and played ruthlessly. Slinger can have very quick chases even in comp. Doctor...yeah doctor probably gonna get rolled.

[@theprojectdaemon]

Fair in general, tho Wraith is a bad example as he is very much a killer that really does well with good macro knowledge and decision making, kind of what I like am him the most.

[@ski6035]

@@ScottJund Yeah that’s fair, slinger was a pretty random mention lol. It’s a shame that for those killers beating these teams would require such a ruthless playstyle.

[@bcij1137]

Wraith already been done. Showcase on Otzdarva and Hens stream

[@GlowStickGreg]

Why aren’t I getting twitch notis!

[@SonnyJim173]

Beat a strong swf maybe 1 out 10 times, balanced

[@mizark3]

I'm tellin' yuh, only sweats map offer Autohaven and Macmillan.

[@lunaticrambler2593]

Hey man, who says someone's girlfriend couldn't be called Lopro-Flicks. What else would Billy's girlfriend be called?

[@ExcessCongruence]

some really nice chains there..

[@Black_chinese_monster]

They took away the only macro gameplay from survivor Using macro to spam the flashlight 💔😢😵

[@yatrtiah]

Mfs couldn't find a scrim??

[@Rup7ureOfGlory]

The first two comments are bots. That was fast.

[@aradbudder9147]

No one had off the record

[@stankyo]

Step #1: Play Hillbilly

[@onlyfengs1519]

I love you

[@ryannem1216]

Lmao if you had doctor or any m1 killer you would have gotten destroyed.

[@alexirdesu9252]

They were throwing so hard in chase that if you had the macro of a brain fried house ant you would have still won if you tunnelled.

[@ScottJund]

honestly i only saw 1-2 mistakes, mostly greeding a pallet. what did they do to throw the game so hard?

[@Kareemonyt]

You had like a 12 hook game Scott. Obviously you played well but you don't get 12 hooks unless the survivors fuck up A LOT.

[@alexirdesu9252]

​@@ScottJund First mistake was in the early game hearing Billy saw and staying in a dead zone. By around 1:00 they should know now that you have BBQ and all future positioning mistakes after hooks are a skill issue. 2:39 should have been a down, though I agree with their decision to hold w away from shack because it would be a better death position and the window was a 50/50 unless you are good with audio checkspots. At 3:01 you could have seen if the medkit in her hand disappeared from that distance because she pre vaulted. At 3:49 I don't think I have to explain lmao. At 4:05, they should know you have BBQ but they still healed under the hook. Nancy then proceeded to get 2 tapped by M1s in like 10 seconds. 5:20 was blatant greed. At 6:05 you literally have 3 survivors all together against a billy, which is obviously shitty macro on their part. 6:23 is shit positioning, because she already knew her teammate dropped that pallet and the window is not safe against billy. She could have used the time from Sheva's stun and Nea's slug to get away. 6:53 is another silly greed. 7:30 is more bad macro from them, because she made it very clear she intended to move in for save/gen with that loud noise notification and just ran in a straight line like a bot. 8:08 only happened because Ada chose the least safe gen to repair on the map. I don't think this was a great game to display macro skill as killer. It wasn't like you had any crazy reads, but more like they threw every macro play horribly after the first 2 hooks lol. At the end you left the injured and deep wound Nea at shack with no pallets to defend a gen with like 20% progress as if it were in any danger of popping assuming you down the Nea in a reasonable time. This prolonged the game significantly, because Nancy then went on a chase in the only area of the map left with resources left, which you zoned her to. As a result, Nea was able to get on that gen and almost pop it. Also, this is not to shit on your skill as a killer or anything. You're definitely better than me at both macro and micro by leaps and bounds.

[@ScottJund]

Are you actually giving the first survivor shit for spawning in a dead zone vs Billy? There is literally nowhere he could have gone

[@alexirdesu9252]

@@ScottJund They spawned at the truck and ran up the map towards you in a dead zone. If they went the opposite direction they would have had the filler at right-mid or the one at 4. Even the truck itself is better than the middle of nowhere against Billy. It was a lethal persuer down and they didn't know you were Billy, so I can give them the benefit of the doubt. Still, it was avoidable.

[@mogullll]

the

[@boinggerss1560]

No gg because you beat a swf that expects to roll so their egos were shattered very satisfy 😂

[@ThePlainswalker1]

claims he's using macro gameplay to win after tunneling 2 people out and its a 1v2

[@ThePlainswalker1]

yep its definitely ur choices after that point that won you the game... not the 1v2. good for you

[@tonysquinz]

This is the team im apart of, Im a sub cause work and stuff, and the igl is someone newer and not as good, its a pug team, not comp. Still learning and trying for the best. Literally started this team yesterday

[@forgetmuzzles]

oh wait thats me and my swf xdddddd we were practicing comming and it shows in here we still need to work on it i said gg but killer loads out the match slower than survivors ppl in the comments going crazy ab it

[@shutitfukface]

is that common knowledge? Legit curious because I was gonna comment about the no gg till I saw this, you'd think Scott would have taken that into account, or better yet, if you and your squad know that killer loads out of the match slower than survivors, maybe you should have waited around a few seconds before sending gg into the void...

[@forgetmuzzles]

@@shutitfukface i forget ab it sometimes, when i see builds i just say gg

[@forgetmuzzles]

@@shutitfukfacei say ggs when i see the perks, some ppl load out faster or slower than others. i dont take into account other ppl load out times xd, should have waited longer tho ig

[@forgetmuzzles]

@@shutitfukface im also pretty sure its because when match is over spectating survivors go straight to the perk screen while the last survivor to die/escape and the killer have to wait for the running after the match then the rundown, only thinking about it now

[@keltonschleyer6367]

“Spicy builds!” >Running meta

[@firestar1230]

Exactly

[@latrodectahespara2728]

Hey, one guy had an Overzealous build, that's not meta.

[@ScottJund]

i mean yeah? thats what i meant

[@theprojectdaemon]

"Spice" as in, brings the heat, which playing meta does.

[@KozmoPoly]

Now do it while playing Pig xdd

[@Enragedlime]

wtf you can get better at the game by not just sticking to the youtuber approved strategy that's crazyyyyyyyy

[@rileyp1506]

soy non engravings user

[@GEEKEDANIMENERD]

There def not comp players by the way there playing 100% And in terms of coordination I wouldn’t say this team was massively coordinated I would just say they were very good at gen pressure though. For clarity u can tell by how they play they have some hrs in the game but nothing was shown to say they where massively coordinated🤣imo

[@ScottJund]

i literally said in game they are not comp players

[@theprojectdaemon]

Someone didn't bother watching later into the video where you literally said that they weren't actually comp players.

[@GEEKEDANIMENERD]

@@theprojectdaemon someone also is ignorant and making. Assumptions For clarity I’m talking about u jsut in case u didn’t comprehend I did see the video he said he thought they might be becusss of the there title but it was a dead give away they weren’t before the first hook 💀 I also said what I said because he said he couldn’t tell if they were or not something along those context

[@HTGY6YTH67Y]

Imagine leaving a comment this stupid.

[@jdot356]

idk if saying all

[@_Nemmy_]

womp womp

[@WreveAU]

I think he's moreso saying that most of those players are high school age kids

[@aerialdive]

he's saying that most "comp players" are highschoolers

[@PSpencer]

it means they're usually children who are generally stupid and immature

[@PSpencer]

he's saying that people with those usernames are usually children, who are stupid and immature a majority of the time

[@CaptainCrackSparrow]

Why do "comp" DBD players have such cringe names?

[@badambiders8475]

this goes to show how killer sided this game is.. killers like billy and many others need some heavy nerfs across the board.

[@lucaguida4286]

Give up man. The bait is too obvious.

[@Fabiooh99]

Bro thinks this survs are good XD , Walmart Comp scene.

[@ScottJund]

not like ur survivors right XDDDD

[@Fabiooh99]

@@ScottJund true , i play EU Comp players non stop in the night . Trauma,Laser,Hein,Docdbd etc

[@ScottJund]

@@Fabiooh99 who gives a shit, I go against Rain, Smeggledorf, Janus, and Jafafjfaijf every night

[@Fabiooh99]

@@ScottJund dont know Who they are lol

[@ScottJund]

@@Fabiooh99 exactly, no one knows who the fuck you're talking about either

[@andreyu5640]

Nice 1,but man Billy is such BS

[@pistolmoth4198]

ERM Billy is BS!!! 🤓

[@PSpencer]

simply get better

[@bloxer9563]

Bs

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Bro... I wish he would remove that stupid green wiggly thing he insists on putting on his live stream and game play videos. The title sounds interesting but I cant watch any of these because that annoying green wiggly thing is distracting as fk... I never understand why people add annoying pointless things like this to their content?!

[@theprojectdaemon]

That's fair to not like it, I respect that, however, it literally takes up 4% of the screen space, so if you cannot manage to watch the video when something that small, off in the corner, is there, I feel like that's more so a you problem. Also, why people add them: various reason, a collection of running joke/memes, they function sort of like a virtual desk space; why do people put figures and stuff on their desk? Because they like to have them there and look at them.

[@WyattOShea]

I literally didn't even notice it until I saw your comment lol. We're all different.

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Yes, the you problem is that I have good peripheral vision and having a pointless thing wiggling constantly in the corner that serves no purpose is distracting because I am blessed with good vision@@theprojectdaemon

[@Derek_The_Magnificent_Bastard]

You'll never get a gg from a losing swf, ever. They only gg when they win and they are more using the "gg" to make fun of you.

[@shutitfukface]

Impossible!! You CAN NOT win without tunneling and camping!!!!..... :D