How to use the throttle...many are doing it wrong.

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MCrider - Motorcycle Training

MCrider - Motorcycle Training

Күн бұрын

Let's continue the MCrider Control Series this week with a look at the motorcycle throttle. How you apply the throttle has a direct impact on your smoothness and your stopping distance.
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@MCrider
@MCrider 2 жыл бұрын
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@danielnewlin47
@danielnewlin47 2 жыл бұрын
Ok well you saved my wife and I from going down on my bike. I watch your videos but I have never commented on one before. I just want you to know that I heard your voice running through my head. Squeeze the front brake do not grab it. I blew a rear tire in the middle of a turn riding two up. Like I said I heard your voice. I did not panic I just slowly applied front brake when the back of my bike was at a point that I could. Anyway just wanted to say thank you for putting these videos out. Daniel
@HDVIBE
@HDVIBE 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Glad you were able to come out safe in that situation. 👊👍
@MCrider
@MCrider 2 жыл бұрын
That is awesome Daniel, thanks for sharing! Great job keeping your calm in a tough situation, glad you are both OK. Kevin
@radrock6249
@radrock6249 2 жыл бұрын
Adjust your front brake AND clutch levers as to make your wrists straight. This will in essence keep you from rolling back on the throttle when in a hard braking situation or just braking in general. Last thing you want to do is accelerate while reaching for the front brake. These levers are made to be adjustable so you can tailor the bike to fit YOU. This also helps if you have a problem with tingling hands as it keeps everything in a straight line. It makes a big difference by doing these small adjustments.
@tomquinn607
@tomquinn607 2 жыл бұрын
I always cover the front brake with 2 or 3 fingers. I roll on the throttle between my thumb and fore finger. So I never have to reach for the front brake and I always have contact over the lever.
@gjvstrom
@gjvstrom 2 жыл бұрын
The fore finger tells the the other fingers how much and how fast to squeeze. Index and middle finger is the ticket.
@craigjohnson6597
@craigjohnson6597 2 жыл бұрын
Helps with smooth throttle control too✌🏽
@jeffcake230
@jeffcake230 2 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing. Bonus with throttle control. However, in cold weather my pointer finger suffers the arctic chill. Heated gear helps. I was worried this is a bad habit. Thanks for validating and verifying this is good form.
@Old-n-slo-locked-n-leaned
@Old-n-slo-locked-n-leaned 2 жыл бұрын
Most people recommend the forefinger and middle finger on brake lever, but, like you, I prefer thumb and forefinger on throttle and outside 3 fingers on brake. I have equal throttle control and more leverage squeezing the brake in emergency situations.
@tomquinn607
@tomquinn607 2 жыл бұрын
@@Old-n-slo-locked-n-leaned My fore finger covers the brake while rolling on/off the throttle.
@gelfyd1
@gelfyd1 2 жыл бұрын
Another problem / solution is the angle of your front brake lever. Changes in the position will help with being able to roll of the throttle while braking. Thanks Kevin for the great info!!
@demisx
@demisx Жыл бұрын
Yep, that's a good one. Most of the time these lever needs to be lowered from the stock version.
@slipngrip
@slipngrip Жыл бұрын
My master cylinder would rotate along with the brake lever if you try to change the lever's angle. Sucks.
@timsilva1944
@timsilva1944 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it's my love of dirt, but I believe riders would learn lots from riding off road on a dirt bike, dual sport or ADV bike. Less absolute traction afforded compared to dry, clean pavement without the more catastrophic consequences of mixing it up with cagers or questionable, suddenly changing surface conditions on said pavement.
@wildberj
@wildberj 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Kevin, it's all the little things that make for a good ride. Back in the day, 70's or so, there was billboards that read look out for the other guy. I still go by this. It's almost like a sixth sense that helps reduce reaction time. Also on the throttle if you let off your grip on it, the throttle should snap back as it's spring tension pulls it back to idle. Thanks for the video.
@nemomoriarty4303
@nemomoriarty4303 Жыл бұрын
Letting go of the throttle completely is the opposite of smooth control
@jridenour31
@jridenour31 Жыл бұрын
​@@nemomoriarty4303So? Who cares about being smooth with the throttle in an emergency braking scenario?
@nemomoriarty4303
@nemomoriarty4303 Жыл бұрын
@@jridenour31 I imagine anyone who wants smooth control over the motorcycle might.
@toddj.8245
@toddj.8245 2 жыл бұрын
wow great video This was deff one of my problems when I took the MSSC course Whats funny is I was already riding for many years and had so so many bad habits that I had to change These safety classes and your videos are so good every rider should be required to take them at least once every few years or at least once before getting license
@DavidNewmanDr
@DavidNewmanDr 3 ай бұрын
I like the second exercise, as that is what you have to do on an electric motorcycle with strong regenerative braking. As you roll off the throttle, the motor turns into a generator, taking energy from the back wheel into the battery.
@weshoyt2322
@weshoyt2322 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin, really appreciate all your videos...been riding off and on since '78..started at 14..nice to know I learned riding properly, mainly cause my first good job was at a cycle shop. Had lots of mentors if you will, got me started on the right path...
@carver7689
@carver7689 2 жыл бұрын
This is something I need to practice more. A few months ago I started covering the front brake with a couple of fingers with the idea being that it would shorten my reaction time if I need to stop quickly. It does shorten that reaction time, but I'm compensating for the new hand position by starting my throttle with the overhand wrist position. Now my problem is that when I roll-off the throttle to stop at an intersection, I never roll off completely. I get to the stop and have to let go of the front brake so the throttle can completely reset under my hand. I'm going to start paying closer attention to how I manage the throttle rather than how to keep a couple of fingers over the brake. My riding style doesn't demand a lot of brake coverage around town, so maybe I should save the brake coverage for those open-road twisties. Thanks for another thought-provoking video, Kevin!
@philtil8977
@philtil8977 2 жыл бұрын
Try taking your hand pressure OFF of the grip/throttle and handlebars. Light touch and be able to move your arms and hands easily. Think of the least amount of pressure to exert to the bars and grips; it can save your life. Good Rides
@mariomanus3176
@mariomanus3176 2 жыл бұрын
Already logged about 6 hours practicing with my first big bike(650cc). Came directly from a 110cc scooter. At the start I was straining my grip and felt very uncomfortable using the technique of covering the front brake lever with 2-3 fingers. Now I’m already relaxed and comfortable with the technique. So I guess it’s just a practice and getting used to issue. The benefits of having your fingers out there (less panic braking, lesser stopping distance) outweighs the discomfort of practicing imho.
@edgarcabatingan9883
@edgarcabatingan9883 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mc for your vlog tutorial about how to drive smoothly to the throttle.and How to stop smothly.
@1bobharvey
@1bobharvey 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who ever learned to ride a bike inevitably has grabbed the hell out of a front brake when something scared them in a parkin lot and dropped or nearly dropped their bike. Something I do is always cover the front brake with just my index finger. This does 3 things, firstly I am already on the control so I can apply it immediately when I realize I may need to slow down, second 1 finger is not very strong which means even under stress it is difficult to accidently over apply the brake causing me to drop it, and third it maintains that I never have to change my wrist position significantly to use the lever. Just a thought use it as you will. As well since I do ride a bike with a rather upright riding position I do have my bars rolled forward some and my levers lower than level so standing while riding is much easier, this allows me to be much more visible in congested traffic as well as see what is going on ahead in traffic much better than from a seated position. But, that happy medium of bar and lever position makes getting fingers around the levers much easier even if I was not covering them since my fingers don't have to become paralel with the pavement.
@Thelivewire64
@Thelivewire64 3 ай бұрын
I figured something out for myself a couple of days ago. I've been riding for almost 6 weeks, done 800Km (500m). I thought I was counter steering quite well. But recently in a corner, I found that my hand position was rolled too far forward and when I pushed I was effectively pushing on an angle rather than horizontally. This seems to me to be another good reason to hold the handle bars with the knuckles positioned up like you say. I'm using forefinger and middle finger (2 fingers) on the clutch as well.
@BanjoLuke1
@BanjoLuke1 2 жыл бұрын
All good stuff. Very helpful. There is also the issue of positioning your levers where you can best use them. I spent a lot of time getting bar and lever angles right on motorcycles - and I still do on bicycles. With clip-ons (truly the only choice for a sports bike) the levers are often best rotated down so that the wrist is straight when on the brakes. Of course there are bikes and bikes.... Slamming around off-road on a big-single trail bike (XT600 et al) requires different braking approaches to a road ride on heavy traffic on a sports bike.... and tracks are different again..... as are Alpine passes. But everything in this video seems just about spot on.
@CrossWindsPat
@CrossWindsPat Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Should have watch this before I started riding my Surron. I have rode ATV's for years but getting used to the twist throttle is a challenge. When I was 10 years old I tried a little 50cc and did the "twist and go fast and then roll back throttle harder and go faster" and thank god my dad grabbed my shirt at the last minute, I would have shot off at a million miles an hour. Anyways 25 years later I had my first crash not even an hour in to my new Surron Ultra Bee JUST LIKE when I was ten years old. Fortunately I was also pretty heavy on the brakes so the crash was slow and in thick grass. But its was almost certainly because I got cocky with the comfy throttle position and went "neutral" but still had power. I guess its like playing a guitar, you just have to get used to that discomfort. Good to know!
@TJRohyans
@TJRohyans 2 жыл бұрын
I ride Solo the majority of the time and have a tendency to jam through the gears pretty quickly; probably short-shifting and not getting into the higher rev's. If and when I do have a passenger I become very conscious of my shifting habit because it causes a lot of head-bob. So I adjust and rev a little higher, and shift a little smoother.
@totalradicalness
@totalradicalness 2 жыл бұрын
When I have a passenger I pretend it's raining
@joemann7971
@joemann7971 2 жыл бұрын
If I'm going to brake, I just let go of the throttle and reach for the front brakes. I never roll it back. The only time I'll roll it back is if I engage the throttle lock, but I never engage my throttle lock anywhere I may need to stop suddenly.
@Sincethe80sGaming
@Sincethe80sGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience!
@billhenley2322
@billhenley2322 2 жыл бұрын
Ride with what (I learned at a beginner rider course) is known as the "broken wrist position", just as is shown here.
@richardjefferson2445
@richardjefferson2445 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very helpful. Too often I am still giving the bike gas when I go for the front break. Only the clutch saves me. But, yes, my hand was in the wrong position.
@onerider808
@onerider808 Жыл бұрын
Handlebar/lever grip is even more critical offroad
@GoneToHelenBach
@GoneToHelenBach 4 ай бұрын
You don't need to roll off the throttle to apply the front brakes, throttles are self-closing, just loosen your grip and let it close automatically. They self-close for a reason and don't need your assistance.
@TennRides
@TennRides 2 жыл бұрын
This test seemed a bit subjective. Also, my brake lever is not several inches above my throttle like you showed in this. However, I am ALWAYS willing to learn, even after 55+ years of riding bikes, I will find an empty parking lot and check out the difference it may make to me. I have a nerve in my wrist that gets pinched, after riding for over 500 miles it can start to cause pain and numbness. If I hold my hand in the correct position, the nerve does not pinch. Now that it is something I am thinking about, I will have to notice just where I place my hand. I have a feeling it is somewhere between. Thanks.
@got_to_roll
@got_to_roll 2 жыл бұрын
Love that the throttle exercise was on your Super Tenere, a bike with a notoriously snatchy throttle. Well demonstrated!
@bobhartman2571
@bobhartman2571 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@drasticthompson1995
@drasticthompson1995 2 жыл бұрын
I was out yesterday and for some reason I got fixated on a house and when my eyes came back forward there was a car stopped in the road ready to turn in a gas station. If there was no shoulder I would have been in trouble. There was not enough time for me to stop. It was dip left or right, thank God there was room on the right. I no fear just reacted but I was mad at myself for not paying attention in front of me. Stay safe people’s!
@jonathanvermillion7263
@jonathanvermillion7263 2 жыл бұрын
I cover the brake at all times and many instructors recommend this
@jonathanvermillion7263
@jonathanvermillion7263 2 жыл бұрын
@everyday tenor knowledge is power and an intact bike and rider!
@wings783
@wings783 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, now i know why I crashed when learning many years ago; wrist to high! don't do these days thanks to training.
@AboutaMileAdventures
@AboutaMileAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
You should always have 1-2 fingers on the brake and clutch levers. If your riding with all fingers on the throttle you are sacrificing a lot of stopping distance and time, plus you are sacrificing control of the bars once you go from 5 fingers on the bar and throttle to just the thumb when you reach out and brake. Plus if you ride with 2 fingers on the levers you will always be in the correct position assuming you set your levers up in the correct spot for your height and arm distance.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 жыл бұрын
riding with your fingers on the clutch is like riding with your foot on the clutch pedal in a car (or on the brake pedal) its literally called "riding the clutch" not good resting your index finger on the hinge (pivot point) of the brake lever will give your right hand a resting position instead of having your wrist floating in space on the throttle, without the risk that you might be pulling on the brake lever without realizing it
@AboutaMileAdventures
@AboutaMileAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenwittlief255 You cant compare a cars clutch pedal to a bikes clutch lever, also riding the clutch is holding the clutch out to long while taking off in first gear, not driving down the road. Those are your opinions, not facts. All advance classes in off road and on road teach this. Its even in handbooks for proper posture and riding etiquette. You should always have 2-3 fingers on the bar and 1-2 fingers on the levers. At all times. The time it takes and the mistakes that follow from panic braking with all fingers wrapped around the bar to having 1-2 fingers already on the brake and clutch is significant.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 жыл бұрын
@@AboutaMileAdventures no riding the clutch is keeping your foot on the clutch pedal in car, or keeping your fingers on the part of the lever on a MC where you pull it. You can see people riding the brakes in a car on the highway, their brake lights keep going on from the weight of their foot. TAKE the MSF beginners course. You cover the brakes when the situation warrants it, when you think things look sketchy and you might need to stop suddenly. Keeping your fingers on the brake lever for several seconds in tight situations will not wear out your brakes or cause them to overheat and seize the calipers. Riding with your fingers on the brakes ALL THE TIME where you might be applying pressure to the levers without realizing it WILL! Same with the clutch. If you are riding your MC on the edge of traction, full throttle or full braking all the time... then you are on your own. There is no excuse for playing track day on the streets. The normal grip for riding is with all fingers wrapped around the grips with your wrist and fore arms level. The one exception: to keep your right wrist from floating in the air with no reference point extend your index finger and put it on the base of the brake lever bracket (not on the moving part). That lets you use your index finger as a sort-of throttle lock while you hold the throttle steady while cruising at speed.
@AboutaMileAdventures
@AboutaMileAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenwittlief255 sorry bud, any real course teaches the opposite, levers aren't near sensitive enough that resting your fingers on them will put pressure on the brake or clutch. There are dozens of books on amazon to teach you if you dont have advance classes or a track day to go to if you want to learn.
@jridenour31
@jridenour31 Жыл бұрын
​@kenwittlief255 You're 100% wrong. Resting your fingers on top of the levers is nothing like resting your foot on the pedals in a car. Stop worrying about some MSF crap and learn from people that actually know how to ride.
@ChilledSon
@ChilledSon 2 жыл бұрын
I like this video, short and sweet and to the point 👍 When the intro is too long I click away 😉
@bubbletea2647
@bubbletea2647 Жыл бұрын
thank you!
@rudolphmurphy1847
@rudolphmurphy1847 2 жыл бұрын
I found riding in rough areas to be a problem where anything jolting you in the saddle would cause you to roll on the throttle accidentally if held incorrectly too. It just feels uncomfortable to roll full throttle if gripping correctly as the wrist is then bent too far backwards but this is a rare need anyway so a good grip is correct. Good job. I ride and trust God with all and He takes care of me.
@HDVIBE
@HDVIBE 2 жыл бұрын
Great tips Kevin on throttle hand position. I've also seen new riders hook the throttle with their thumb and rev the throttle as applying the front brake. Thanks for sharing. Ride safe. 👊👍🇺🇸
@williamkenny1445
@williamkenny1445 2 жыл бұрын
i would often hold grips in that wrong way when off roading because it would be easier to withstand shock and impact without wrist injury, however the tradeoff was the problems you mentioned. I would use a quick let go and grab again technique to throttle down. I would also grip without thumb at times when trauma was immanent.
@SMKreitzer1968
@SMKreitzer1968 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin! God bless.
@stevemoore6812
@stevemoore6812 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from the PPRC GOOD video, I find every video helpful.
@komanguy
@komanguy 5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for this great advice!
@eddcurry1245
@eddcurry1245 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a proper golf grip. Start with a proper hand grip, and you almost always end correctly and where you want to be.
@jamescampolo7824
@jamescampolo7824 3 ай бұрын
How to use the throttle. If you are getting sideways or otherwise have a problem, gently throttle on and pull out of the situation. Don't panic, don't brake, leave the clutch alone. If you have a blowout or otherwise a tire issue, don't touch any control, assess the situation and then jently brake on the tire that is still inflated.
@Sid_Mowe
@Sid_Mowe 2 жыл бұрын
I tend to ride with my index and middle finger touching the brake lever. I don't know if this is the right technique but it seems to prevent any delay in engaging the brake for a quick stop and allows me to trail brake without fully disengaging the throttle when I'm cornering.
@AboutaMileAdventures
@AboutaMileAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
That is the correct way to ride, take any advanced course or any track time at an on road or off road track and youll find out quickly. Theyll let you know if they dont see fingers on the levers at all times.
@Sid_Mowe
@Sid_Mowe 2 жыл бұрын
@@AboutaMileAdventures thank you
@EduardoBenfield
@EduardoBenfield 2 жыл бұрын
@@AboutaMileAdventures Thanks! I ride with my index and middle finger touching the brake lever and when I see that people teaches with no fingers touching the breake levers I feel like Im doing something wrong... thaks again for the tip
@jasonhochman3750
@jasonhochman3750 2 жыл бұрын
A problem that I have had with unwanted revving is when I try to turn from a stop, or other low speed techniques, when I have the bars turned sharply, a few times I have twisted the throttle unintentionally.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 2 жыл бұрын
If you have a tach' equipped... you can sit on the bike, running, in Neutral... AND bring the RPM's up to 2K or so... AND then practice turning "from lock to lock" as far as the handlebars will go... Concentrate on NOT changing the tone or RPMS of the engine while you turn... just make several repetitions of both directions, right to left to right to left... etc... Then either shift into gear and take off (like from your first warm-up of the day) or shut the bike down and stop... if you've been riding and just before retiring for the night or whatever... You don't need to waste a whole lot of time, just a pretty good series of "rep's", each session. Practice a couple times a day in the beginning... and as you get used to how the muscle controls work (and build muscle memory for it) you can ease off the intensity and just take a practice session from time to time as a "refresher"... moving on to more advanced stuff once the basics are taken care of. ;o)
@FatherBasil
@FatherBasil 2 жыл бұрын
I used to do this all the time. It just takes practice. It was always embarrassing doing a u turn the Walmart parking lot and hitting MotoGP RPMs on my old Honda XD
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 жыл бұрын
rest your index finger on the base of the brake lever not the part that moves that will keep your wrist from "floating" on the throttle
@JackTRyan
@JackTRyan 2 жыл бұрын
Liked your demo videos.
@cjdeas1528
@cjdeas1528 2 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful! Thanks!
@angel2you
@angel2you 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Great exercises
@locoocho2415
@locoocho2415 2 жыл бұрын
Great info MCrider👍
@dutch2433
@dutch2433 2 жыл бұрын
Very help full. Thank you
@erikhaw7313
@erikhaw7313 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so good! Thanks!
@jdreyno1958
@jdreyno1958 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips.
@robertadams4415
@robertadams4415 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@44Eflores
@44Eflores 2 жыл бұрын
Throttle or Not, the *clutch* is the second most powerful use of equipment. First Brakes, they have to be able to stop the motorcycle. Second Clutch, can't/can move the motorcycle. Third Throttle, to move. Always cover the clutch, they are technically brakes. Hand and Foot brakes to forcefully stop the movement of the vehicle. Yes, throttle hand position is very important, Yes, you should maintain the throttle tube, throttle cables, all moving mechanism.
@douglasradowick508
@douglasradowick508 2 жыл бұрын
I realize that throttle position is vital in you hand while riding at ALL times, riders need to make sure that our hand/wrist MUST be in accord to have sudden braking to work right and safely!
@juliab4714
@juliab4714 2 жыл бұрын
as a past and now a sometimes pillion i wish everyone was taught this. i have had to learn NOT to depend on the skills of the rider but on me actually learning how they ride and taking helmet smash evasive action for myself. late agressive braking is a nightmare as a pillion. it was a factor in my getting my own bike but i do miss being a pillion at times (just to be on a bike watching the world go by is a blessing when you are sitting behind a competent, considerate rider). so thank you for addressing this issue
@beepbop6697
@beepbop6697 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting things to consider when adjusting controls for comfort. I'd lean towards adjusting brake lever downwards so as to have comfortable wrist position at cruise, while also having the brake level in the right position when closing the throttle and needing to stop...
@maalikserebryakov
@maalikserebryakov Жыл бұрын
Yup same
@samsgarage3540
@samsgarage3540 2 жыл бұрын
Does this relate to stunt scootering? Asking for a friend 😆. Great video as always Kev!
@scottshafer9813
@scottshafer9813 2 жыл бұрын
Love the throttle exercise! What fog lights/ running lights are on your old Super Tenere? Thanks Scott
@WibbyKDX
@WibbyKDX 2 жыл бұрын
No need to reach when you’re covering the brake
@johngonzalez8316
@johngonzalez8316 2 жыл бұрын
How about using the back brake?
@djdoctorstyle
@djdoctorstyle 7 ай бұрын
Made this mistake yesterday and flew over my Hayabusa. Needless to say, Busa ended on the road and me full of bruises.
@donaldremington3737
@donaldremington3737 2 жыл бұрын
I learned to "cover" the brake with two fingers. After many years this has become a habit. Thoughts ?
@hunterbaywolf577
@hunterbaywolf577 2 жыл бұрын
Dirt Off I Ride with My Right fingers on the Front Break Second I ride Solo .left on the Clutch Less I'm using the suicide Shifter.
@Arizona_rider
@Arizona_rider Жыл бұрын
I start out like im alone on the street. Not really paying attention to my surroundings and I find myself having to stop hard at the first stop light. I instantly tell myself you better get focused on the ride because this ain’t the truck. I wake up really quick
@onerider808
@onerider808 Жыл бұрын
Other thing is not to grip the handlebars like a pullup bar; instead grip it like an ice cream cone, with two fingers resting on the clutch and front brake, and the palm (not base of the fingers) resting on the bar. Grip them like two eggs...
@paulh6591
@paulh6591 2 жыл бұрын
Over 35 years of daily commuter traffic riding I've developed an oddball technique in which I almost never decelerate, rather I cut the throttle entirely while simultaneously pulling the clutch. Be it a conventional or emergency stop it's all precise metering of front and rear brake proportion, no engine braking. Then I hit the throttle to an appropriate RPM for the gear ratio and let the clutch back out to proceed. I even do this halfway through corners, while trail braking, when coasting over icy patches, etc.. It affords me a heightened sense of to what degree my front and rear tires are gripping and I can make fine adjustments without an additional variable in the mix. And I ALWAYS cover the brake, never have my hand on the throttle only. To not have my hand on the brake lever would be an alien concept. And my other hand is never off the clutch. It works for me- have been doing this for hundreds of thousands of miles. Despite my "spirited" pace I do a lot of silent gliding with the clutch pulled and no throttle input, especially when going under bridges and past pedestrians and I want to be courteously quiet.
@JackTRyan
@JackTRyan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I recall a comment someone made on a forum once that struck a chord with me: "An engine isn't a brake, don't use it as one". Works for me.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 жыл бұрын
hundreds of thousands of miles of freewheeling your engine?! how many brake rotors, pads and clutches have you replaced?! OR do you just ride a bike till the brakes and clutch are shot and get another one? You are the perfect example of how NOT to drive a vehicle with a manual transmission. Motorcycles have such a high engine size to vehicle weight ratio that its possible to ride most of the time without touching the brakes. And if your bike is fuel injected you will use less fuel engine braking to a near stop, than pulling in the clutch, freewheeling and using the brakes 100% to slow the bike. Because with fuel injection when you let off the throttle the system cuts off the fuel to the motor completely - using NO gas while you slow to a stop. When you are free wheeling your engine must use fuel to keep the engine idling. Geeze Paul - seriously... 35 years?! Take the MSF beginners course and learn how to ride properly!
@paulh6591
@paulh6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenwittlief255 What can I say, I've done it on everything from my 1983 CX650 Turbo which I've had since 1998 to my daily commuter bikes, a '13 KLR650 and an '05 DL650 V-Strom, each which have over 60,000 miles on them. None of them have needed a clutch, but I have of course worn out brake pads (super cheap) and tires.
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulh6591 pads are relatively cheap rotors are not
@paulh6591
@paulh6591 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenwittlief255 Well, it would be just the rear rotor, correct? Most brake power is accomplished with the front brakes and engine braking doesn't help there one jot.
@skyking228
@skyking228 2 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of front brake levers turned more towards the ground which doesn't help with throttle control either. Always interesting, thanks!
@beepbop6697
@beepbop6697 2 жыл бұрын
Height of rider also determines position of the lever controls. I'm tall with short inseam (long torso / short T-Rex legs), so my levers are adjusted slightly downwards as compared to a normal proportioned rider -- smy shoulders will be higher than others sitting on the same bike.
@coyoteodie4458
@coyoteodie4458 2 жыл бұрын
I adjusted mine downwards so when i'm off the throttle, and my fingers are at their farthest "forward" position they clear the lever faster and easier.
@mariomanus3176
@mariomanus3176 2 жыл бұрын
That makes it easier to cover the lever with your fingers if your using the technique.
@psychlism
@psychlism 2 жыл бұрын
I use my wrist to set position and then use fingers to return to a straight wrist position for comfort. When I'm slowing I let the throttle slowly slip closed while I apply the brake. I don't know if this is right, I tried keeping two fingers on the break lever when I was on my way home from work (about 60 miles) one day, but it just felt wrong.
@halvo265
@halvo265 Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't we cover the front brake lever with a finger or 2 (never more!)?
@dgross2009
@dgross2009 2 жыл бұрын
My Harley controls are so far from the grip that I have no choice where I put my hands. Harley doesn't even sell OEM adjustable controls. If there is a way to adjust them I haven't seen it or figured it out
@MsDenver2
@MsDenver2 Жыл бұрын
Yes but your illustration show the front break high , the correct position is lower
@JessicaSimonson1976
@JessicaSimonson1976 Жыл бұрын
I only grip the throttle with my thumb
@murraehaynes3182
@murraehaynes3182 2 жыл бұрын
Flat wrist, knuckles up, cover with two fingers if needed…
@wflentge
@wflentge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. (You sure walk funny!)
@FarRightRider
@FarRightRider 2 жыл бұрын
My rule of thumb when riding is this. Clutches wear out forearms! If I'm not on the throttle, I'm probably finding neutral. I ALWAYS try to use even brake pressure on both front and back brake whenever possible. Unless I'm on a side open straight away of 45 mph or better, two fingers on front brake and feet on floorboards. Highway bars are for highways. You might think it's cool to kick your feet up in town at slow speeds, but when you need to react out adjust quickly at slow speeds, I've found keeping my feet planted on the boards is best. And of course, KEEP YOUR HEAD ON A SWIVEL! At the end of the day, it's your life..(or loss of..)
@steve00alt70
@steve00alt70 2 жыл бұрын
Is this with a non abs?
@Dr4g0nW00d
@Dr4g0nW00d 2 жыл бұрын
Question do you roll off the gas clutch shift throttle?
@KVNCSTA
@KVNCSTA 2 жыл бұрын
Hands like your playing the piano
@DeCavalcante
@DeCavalcante 2 жыл бұрын
What bike was that
@nickpal4037
@nickpal4037 2 жыл бұрын
What is that bike you are riding?
@dexrose4349
@dexrose4349 2 жыл бұрын
Always have 2 fingers covering the brake. So found this advice non applicable.
@Steve-ho2mx
@Steve-ho2mx 2 жыл бұрын
Thund down sent in error😱
@shadowcast1975
@shadowcast1975 2 жыл бұрын
Great tips man, this exspains the couple times i about scared the hell outa myself with the throttle when braking. guess in martial arts we call this proper body mechanics
@ronf9718
@ronf9718 2 жыл бұрын
I don't agree. I start a little bit above flat and have 2 fingers on the front brake. If you start to low, you have to readjust your wrist and take attention away from the rest of what's going on.
@inevespace
@inevespace Жыл бұрын
Revs in the test are not the same, you can clearly hear that second time bike goes slower. In any case, why people still riding without covering levers, lol?
@caseyw.8325
@caseyw.8325 2 жыл бұрын
Left turns too
@rickymark1
@rickymark1 2 жыл бұрын
I have small hands. I bought adjustable levers. Problem solved.
@franklaskus2395
@franklaskus2395 2 жыл бұрын
You always got to grab a big handful. Especially if it’s your first ride. lol
@OM-sb2bd
@OM-sb2bd Жыл бұрын
That’s what she said.
@ilive4d80s6
@ilive4d80s6 2 жыл бұрын
That right there don't bother me with how to use the throttle. My main concern is I ride for many hours,and hundreds of miles as a result my hands mostly the throttle one is always getting numb. I have to shake it to bring it back to life,and it kind of annoying to. I tried gloves, grips,and even loosening my grip on the throttle it still become numb.
@sanjoriot
@sanjoriot 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like shoulder tightness or positioning could be cutting off circulation
@kenwittlief255
@kenwittlief255 2 жыл бұрын
handlebars too high will make your hands go numb in about 3 miles....
@JahBanks-q6e
@JahBanks-q6e 5 ай бұрын
I don’t understand the technique
@Accolades70
@Accolades70 2 жыл бұрын
Noice
@freeworldneedsfreethinking
@freeworldneedsfreethinking 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@dennismillus4581
@dennismillus4581 2 жыл бұрын
Street bike wrong is Dirtbike right.
@LLCoolPass
@LLCoolPass 2 жыл бұрын
Old guy alert. Mk sure to up speed to 1.25
@adifferentperspective2457
@adifferentperspective2457 11 ай бұрын
He's talking to old people like him who have arthritis and slow reaction, lower the position of the brake lever a little bit, problem solved, and if you aren't old like him, getting your fingers up and over the brake lever is very easy you don't have to move your wrist, you must never move your wrist when reaching for the front brake,just your fingers, maybe grandpa needs to move his wrist but if you are in good shape, it's easy.
@justanotherviewer52
@justanotherviewer52 2 жыл бұрын
Crucial control. Sadly it also leads to the most useless application ever - revbombing.
@MCrider
@MCrider 2 жыл бұрын
I almost included that in the video about revbombing...
@justanotherviewer52
@justanotherviewer52 2 жыл бұрын
@@MCrider lol.
@johnsumser9743
@johnsumser9743 2 жыл бұрын
God, I am so tired of internet experts. How to say hello, how to walk. Really, please stop.
@harrytreadway8376
@harrytreadway8376 2 жыл бұрын
I have ridden 20 plus years using a add on paddle so my palm controls the throttle. NEVER had a high rev
@boycottjews
@boycottjews Жыл бұрын
when I unwind the throttle I automatic loop my front brake with a finger or too.
@boycottjews
@boycottjews Жыл бұрын
my favorite is the rear brake because I'm a jackass.
@GeneralChangFromDanang
@GeneralChangFromDanang 2 жыл бұрын
This is one issue I've noticed while riding a smaller bike, like a 250cc. It almost encourages you to use the wrong wrist position just to be able to get up to the speed of traffic. I find myself constantly correcting for it.
@MCrider
@MCrider 2 жыл бұрын
Good point...on smaller bikes you need a lot of wrist rotation to get up to speed.
@maalikserebryakov
@maalikserebryakov Жыл бұрын
I havent even rode a bike yet and I already assumed that would be a problem. I am clearly blessed with superior foresight
@davidfellows6250
@davidfellows6250 2 жыл бұрын
thats half the story. the rest is that most people just except their break lever position insted of setting up the bike for the way they ride. also thinking that it takes all your fingers to twist the throttle. a smart in trafic ridder always keeps two fingers on said lever. personally i roll the throttle with my palm. remember the handlebars arent to hol you on te bike but just to tell the bike where to go, how fast and when to stop. the biggest thing to stopping in emergency is to train for that event. then you'll be relaxed as your training takes over.
@kodiak536kodiak536
@kodiak536kodiak536 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an odd-ball...my favorite control is the start button😁
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