How To Use The TUNNEL RATS Level Editor

[@Plagiatus]

Hey there, I'm the Plagiatus he's talking about that made the mechanics for this map, including the level editor. Let me know if you have cool ideas on how to improve the level editor to give you even more power over how to make a level. Jumping in to clarify the % question: The generator will add up the percentages from bottom to top and can never go above 100%. So if the first two blocks make a total of 100% (or more) and you add another block on top, it will never generate. In that case the base block (the first one in the very bottom that defines the slice size) will also never generate.

[@drshoots101]

@Plagiatus only thing I could think of to add is when placing a new block on top it will have a preset % as long as it's below the total 100% but if it is over 100 something to show its over like % at 0 in red or something. It's not necessarily needed but would be a nice touch. And I'm kinda sad that in bedrock we don't get the diagram of the map your working on in the map creator, or on the map selector. It's a floating question mark.

[@Plagiatus]

@drshoots101 that is an interesting thought - some way to show that you're over 100% and that those blocks will never be placed. I too am sad that we can't do the dynamic preview in bedrock, I'll be keeping an eye out for new features that might allow us to do that.

[@anthonybeaulieu26]

Not really about the level editor but why is there no notification for when your teams bed is broken. It would be nice info to have since not all the players are next to the bed at all times. I get that there would be communication between teams but If players dont have a voice chat then this could make it hard for a player to know if they should fight a player to play back more so they dont die.

[@Plagiatus]

@@anthonybeaulieu26 I honestly don't remember why we didn't add that. I remember we discussed this issue and decided against it. Might've been a case of "we can't have it in both editions (which is not true anymore)" or a "it doesn't fit the vision for the game". I'll definitely bring it up again.

[@anthonybeaulieu26]

@ ahhh I see. It just caught me by surprise when I didn’t respawn and didn’t realize my bed was broken. I figured it was a setting that needed to be turned on but I couldn’t find it.

[@gnhatch]

please do an episode or two of you playing this with other hermits

[@Everton_Jose]

The best way to promote the game is to play the game

[@SpiderTodd]

Yes i need this

[@sunnyreads_8]

Hermits and friends!

[@The_higuy]

yeah it's cool

[@LinktotheFuture-zs9km]

Tunnels Rats is actually so fun, I’ve been playing with some friends over the last few days and we’ve sunk way too many hours into it 😭

[@Flamingosaurus1]

This is so cool. Having a level editor is very much in the spirit of Minecraft and it's always great to see maps add that in.

[@ThunderSphun]

it would be really cool if there would be a possibility for a center room, i am imagining a single last room for both teams with a monster spawner, which spawns way more mobs than vanilla spawners, and the rest of the blocks would be air. with this current layout it would have two of these rooms next to each other, i think this is a slight oversight in the level editor

[@R520]

as a workaround, you could make that middle room half the length, then when it flipped it would be the same as a normal room

[@ThunderSphun]

@@R520 altho it would work, it would still be mirrored, so all resources are double, if you would want to make it exactly 1 (which thinking about it would also be impossible with the percentage based system) it would be impossible

[@Pumpkin-man]

…I wonder if it works with the structure void block. Maybe that could help?

[@thomasfplm]

@@ThunderSphun , maybe acept to have two spawners and make them spawn half the amount of mobs each?

[@jeffreyblack666]

I think the more significant oversight is the lack of a possibility to generate a certain amount of blocks, or certain positions. e.g. it would be nice to be able to define a room to have a single specific block in the middle, or a ring of blocks at the edge. With the current editor there is no way to say there is a single monster spawner. The best you get is a chance to have on average 1. But that would mean sometimes there would be none, sometimes there would be 2 or 3. And they could appear in the middle, or right near the edge. An alternative for your case: A room of air, followed by a 1 wide room of monster spawners which they need to break through to get to the other team.

[@DirtTrackTales]

I really like the idea behind your new minigame! Keep up the good work! I think that I talk for a lot of people saying I want to see the hermits playing

[@HeartGamer26]

Cannot wait to see what maps come from the community

[@jeffreyblack666]

Quickly looking at the code, my understanding is that if the chances are over 100%, it will only consider the first 100% from the bottom, at which point it will have chosen a block and then skip anything above that (and the bottom default). So in the example you gave with (from the bottom) a 90% chance of stone and 19% chance of block of raw iron, it would actually be a 90% chance for stone and a 10% chance for a block of raw iron, with the iron ore itself having 0% chance. More in depth, it appears to generate a random number effectively from 0% to 100%. It then subtracts the chance of the first block with a defined chance. If it drops it to 0% or below, it sets it to be that block. It then continues for each subsequent block. If no block drops it to below 0%, it then sets it to the default block.

[@Plagiatus]

that's exactly how I did it indeed.

[@jeffreyblack666]

@@Plagiatus Thanks for confirming I read it properly.

[@EVILBUNNY28]

Brb gonna go make Tunnel Rats: Fist Fight Edition (there is nothing but 99x99x999 of obsidian between the two teams, nothing else, no loot)

[@owenstakeman8814]

Don't give them the option. 1x2x99 of obsidian

[@timwoods2852]

How are they supposed to mine through it?

[@EVILBUNNY28]

@ fist

[@sunnyreads_8]

Rumor has it that they are still lunching to this day! 😊

[@bowser2lux]

Tbh, I'm surprised Bedwars never looked like this since we're in MINEcraft. Good job! Looks very fun!

[@Froggenheimer42]

I think it would be a cool option to modify the arena you've created in creative before playing. Like actually flying around and building in the arena.

[@Plagiatus]

we're looking into making structures part of the generation process.

[@awkwardxt]

Edit - Found the vid on the xisumatwo channel Wait wait! Yesterday I watched 90 minutes of delicious head to head gameplay and now it's gone! It was good man excited to buy it.

[@misode]

The VOD is still available on Twitch, not sure why it was removed here

[@awkwardxt]

@@misode it's on the x two channel now

[@Francine___]

I would like to see a run or two "live" so that we can all get a better idea of how this plays out and feels! Very interesting creation ✨

[@southofsane877]

How many teams can you have? Is it stuck at 2, or could you make a plus shaped arena for 4 teams, or a hashtag shape for 8? Also something missing in the level editor is a midpoint slice. While you could just do a half-width slice, it feels like there should just be an option for a space between the tunnels.

[@Plagiatus]

A space between the tunnels? You mean air? you can easily do that already with a barrier block, yes using a half-sized slice. Currently it is limited to 2 teams, but we've thought about allowing for 4 teams. Haven't thought about a # shape for 8 teams though, that does sounds pretty neat, too!

[@unknown-o4f1o]

Lots of other people have already said this but I'm going to say it too you should play this with the other Hermits

[@thomasfplm]

Thas very nice. It would be interesting to have versions for more than 2 teams, like making a cross version for 4 teams.

[@timwoods2852]

That might be as far as possible without any serious rebalancing. Diagonal paths would be slower than straight forward and a vertical path would be really slow if you started on the bottom or really fast if you started on the top.

[@thomasfplm]

@timwoods2852 , you could make an octagon (like this 🛑, with the beds in the corners), or a 8 point star, where everyone is slightly diagonal from the middle (think the points of the star at the corners of the red octagon), it wouldn't be as fast as straight to one of the cardinal directions, but would be equal for everyone and still not that far from the cardinal directions. Another commenter also proposed a # for a 8 teams game, where there isn't a room in the middle of everyone.

[@Plagiatus]

4 paths in a flat plus shape is something we're looking into and I really like the # for 8 teams idea.

[@thomasfplm]

@@Plagiatus, I was not the one who came with the # idea, so I recommend looking at the other comments to thank them. And I would like to give another suggestion, even if I don't know how feasible it is: The option to add a "crafted room" that the person can make block by block, like each team getting exactly one box containing a specific piece of equipment, or a middle room that looks like an arena, something like that.

[@Plagiatus]

@ i replied in the other comment(s) as well, don't worry. And yes, adding structure support is on the agenda - just unfortunately hard to do right.

[@weshuiz1325]

1:51 to be real this ui would be great for vanilla tweaks to custimize armour stands

[@R520]

Does the level editor have an import export feature? that would be good for sharing levels in the community. It would be faster to grab a config than do it yourself from a screenshot

[@timwoods2852]

That might be the purpose of the "Save As" feature.

[@R520]

@timwoods2852 that's so you can edit and save an existing preset without overwriting the original

[@jeffreyblack666]

Unfortunately, I don't know of any MC command that would let you output directly to a file, nor to the clipboard. The best I think you can do is by using some commands yourself.

[@Plagiatus]

I've actually been working on and import/export feature and already have a rudimentary version ready. It has too many limitations as of right now that I don't know how to properly solve yet though, which is why it's not part of the initial release. I really want to do something like this, but it's really difficult unfortunately. How do you get the data out of the game? How do you get it back in? And how do you make this in both Java and Bedrock? Best idea I have so far is to output the data as a string in chat through a clickable copy text command for export and read the text from a book in the players inventory for import. Unfortunately that's very limited due to the possible text lengths even with some negative space trickery to fit more into a single book page. It would be a little easier to do if you could assume players can access the world files and copy stuff from there, like taking storage files and moving them around - however this would limit this power to server admins. And it would be impossible to do in bedrock. So yeah, if you have any ideas on how to do this, i'd love to hear them, because I really want to make this happen, too!

[@Flamingosaurus1]

@@Plagiatus Huh, yeah that's tricky. Exporting to a command_storage.dat file is the approach I've taken before, but I have no idea what wizardry you'd need to encode it to a chat message . I saw LegoBro use a pretty creative approach in Relics of the Deck, where save data could be transferred between worlds using Creative Mode hotbars.

[@timeittells]

incredibly busy lately but i hope i get the chance to play, looks like a great game

[@shadylizard3115]

i think it would be really cool but probably complicated to implement if you could set some sort of bounds setting with which you could maybe make gradients in blocks where iron is more likely to be at bottom then top for example , or maybe hard edges which would let you force half of the chunk to be a certain block , for example bedrock could be used to make an snaking S shaped arena which would create chokepoints to fight at

[@SpiderTodd]

Is there a server to play on with other people?

[@therealohead]

I'm curious about the development process. For writing data packs, is the team writing commands directly, or is it "compiled" from an easier language (like what SethBling did for the physics engine)?

[@Plagiatus]

the "team" is just me. And I write individual commands directly for Java Edition, for Bedrock I'm using Typescript with the official Minecraft Scripting API.

[@haunted_magma2073]

Hey Xisuma, i've been experimenting with the level editor on Java Edition & custom suspicious gravel/sand blocks, but found that the suspicious blocks disappear when i save and load my level. Hope this can be fixed as i thought using suspicious blocks was a very creative idea.

[@Plagiatus]

That certainly is something we should fix. Added it to my bug list. :)

[@CreatorProductionsOriginal]

Is the bedrock version compatible with other addons, like, could I place an addon’s block, or an addon’s item inside a container?

[@Plagiatus]

it should be, yes.

[@frozenconcrete1338]

On bedrock edition, could we add our own addons and use them in the level editor?

[@Plagiatus]

that should be mostly possible, yes.

[@sam_ldm]

Incredible work !! What about adding a way to export a custom level ?

[@Plagiatus]

working on it. very difficult to do/get right. Might not happen, but hoping it will.

[@pdzx346]

Could you maybe add an "export" button in the file selector? So that you export your map to a location where people can download it ingame. It would also require a download button where you can choose a community created map that you want to play. Anyway just an idea, the game seems great as is :)

[@Plagiatus]

i would LOVE to add something like that, but unfortunately it's quite impossible to do that. At least doing it all ingame like you describe. I am experimenting with other options to share your creations though, maybe there'll be an update soon. It is quite hard to do though, so keep that in mind as it will probably be a while.

[@pdzx346]

@@Plagiatus yeah I guess it would be difficult, ok i'll keep an eye out ;)

[@Jaryt]

I dont know if this would be feasible, but what if you could place structure blocks? I'd imagine it would just trigger the structure to be placed at that location. Could allow a lot of chaos

[@Plagiatus]

I'd love to add that, it's been on our mind from the very beginning. Unfortunately I haven't found a good way yet to let players do this in-game. I'm open for suggestions though. :D

[@VmasterVX]

This is awesome I only wish it was on java so we can play with mods

[@Plagiatus]

it is. ;)

[@simic0racle157]

Can you add air blocks?

[@SpiderTodd]

Barrier blocks are air

[@dzarthedemon4855]

using Barrier Blocks will generate air in the level

[@Plagiatus]

as the others said, Barrier blocks will be air in the level. In Bedrock there is a dedicated custom "air" block (as well as fluid blocks) for this purpose.

[@timwoods2852]

Looks straightforward and user-friendly. I'd love to try this. Can we form random teams? I don't really have any friends who play Minecraft. 😢

[@dzarthedemon4855]

does the level editor work with modded blocks?

[@Plagiatus]

generally it should work, yes. Probably not for all blocks (specifically those that don't drop themselves when mined with silk touch will cause issues in Java edition), so keep that in mind.

[@dzarthedemon4855]

@@Plagiatus do you know what versions the map works on?

[@Plagiatus]

@ the currently latest java, so 1.21.4.

[@KiernanGrimes]

When I control + middle click on a pot in this map, I am unable to see the contents of it when mousing over it

[@Blaineworld]

did you have to develop both versions separately or is there some kind of build tool that can publish to both versions?

[@Plagiatus]

had to do both separately. Originally I was reusing a bunch of my java functions in bedrock, but since I switched to Typescript for bedrock development the two versions have been entirely disconnected and developed individually. It's quite a different process in the two editions, too. The way you solve issues and do stuff is just very different sometimes.

[@Blaineworld]

@@Plagiatus i didn't know you could still use javascript on bedrock edition. i thought that was removed. (i for one never figured it out, like where even is the documentation lol)

[@Plagiatus]

If you Google "bedrock script API" you'll easily find the official Microsoft documentation - it's surprisingly good

[@LucasKingman]

Is there anyway to disable the wither effect when only one person is left on a team?

[@Plagiatus]

Currently there is not - but I don't really see a reason why that isn't a setting.

[@drshoots101]

I'm on bedrock and when adding containers/Chests we couldn't find them I played with the percentages and made sure nothing was over 90% and still never found one chest.

[@Plagiatus]

interesting. Could you share your setup with us, maybe via email?

[@drshoots101]

@Plagiatus thank you for responding! it was my mess up. Ok so after you make changes to a map before you press start you have to change the map to another, then back to the one you updated or it'll load it as the iteration before the update. Edit. But then again we played through the game and since I didn't see any changes I went back in to bump up the % on the chest higher about 30% while maintaining the 100 total, saved and confirmed then started the game again and it was the same game with no changes. I jumped out, and then back in the game, the map changes were saved, and after flipping through the maps and trying again, then it was the updated version, and lol wayyyy too many chests! So idk if that's normal or not. But maybe just glitching because we had other issues with lag or delays and loosing a few inventory slots, where they are empty but act occupied?

[@Plagiatus]

@@drshoots101 that is an important point - if you change (and save) your level, it should load the newly saved one, even without you swapping back and forth. I'll look into that.

[@blueraptorex16yt80]

Hey does anyone know how to get out of (Singleplayer game. Wont end automatically) i forgot to join on my alt testing a map and im stuck

[@JazzDistrict]

Rat boy Xisuma

[@gnhatch]

gotta re download the game to play this lmao!!!1

[@redsharkblueshark1878]

day 4 of asking for an "always pale garden sky" option in vanilla tweaks!

[@pumpkinut]

damn one second ago?

[@Salih-r6r]

Day 2 of asking to join Hermitcraft pls its my dream lol

[@Sam0mas]

i dont have friends, any ways to find people to play with other than commenting on this video?

[@cyberdyne-network]

What's with the pervy female photos?!

[@josiahwillis8835]

Dang you beat me to first comment

[@thomasfplm]

It seems the first two were spam bots, so you're still the first person.