How to use TR-09 USB audio with Ableton live

TR-09 Quick tips : How to use the TR-09 USB audio with Ableton Live. Roland officially shows the TR-09 with 10 USB audio IN and 2 OUT. How do they work? While doing this video I discovered something I wasn't ready for....
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[@elekibuumu]

Merci pour les conseils Nu-trix! I may add another tip: when recording the TR-09 individual outputs, don't do it in a busy session with a lot of plugins, you will not be able to fight against the USB latency (even by playing with audio and MIDI latency compensation, it is a nightmare). I recommend exporting the track you're working on to audio, opening a new session and importing this track, setting up the TR-09 individual outs in the session, and voilà: you should experience no latency. I hope it saves time to other users, because it took me a while to figure out :D

[@atpdx]

I've been using ableton for 10 years but the menu system on the tr09 is so confusing I was just lost. Thanks for making this - totally helped everything click finally.

[@jszack]

This is great, thank you for making it--all of your vids are really helpful. Messing around with my TR-09, it seems that, in addition to being an interface for the Mix In as you discovered, 1/2 gives you a TR-09 stereo mix out (including any PAN settings from the Shift+Edit menu), but 1/2 is only a stereo interface for Mix In when all the instruments are otherwise assigned to the four USB outputs, as yours were in the video. No PAN settings on the USB 1-4 outs though, as you discovered. I guess maybe they figure if you're sending separate tracks out on those channels you can pan them in your DAW?

[@jackinbeatz7132]

thank you very much for your precious videos. this is very helpful and interesting

[@Nu-trix]

Always a pleasure to be helpful!

[@andresmora7647]

thanks to make this video but I have a question please answer I have roland tr-09 and I bought a korg bass line how I can use tr-09 to sync up korg with ableton and can I record their sound an other channel of ablenton

[@user-gj8ye2zt5g]

Thank you from Russia .. I love my TR-09 very much)

[@fitoddy20]

Hey, maybe you can help me... I don't find my tr-09 as an input, im on windows and i have it connected with an usb.. what could be the issue? im ussing directx as the drive type because when i use asio, audio input device choice dissapears, my output device is a komplete audio 6 . Help !

[@MrSinisacmrecak]

That’s nice But what of have more hardware Antelope soundcard 16 inputs for hardware Is it stil possible to get separate outputs from the tr09 because the in is in use from the soundcard

[@heartpeople5011]

Hi, thanks for making the video and replying to so many questions. Hopefully you can help me out with my problem ? When i've got the TR09 synced up (using Ableton) it runs great when i hit play from either the space bar or the master play button up the top of the session - but if i hit stop on the TR09 whilst the ableton scene continues i can't bring the TR09 back in in time unless i stop and hit space bar again and start everything back at the beginning of the scene or arrangement. Does that make sense? I normally us an MFB Tanzbar and this allows you hit stop on the machine while Ableton keeps playing and when you hit start on the Tanzbar again it plays again from the beginning of the next bar allowing for musical dropouts.. I'm hoping there's a way to do this with the TR09... Thanks, would love your thoughts :)

[@rchrd9099]

thanks a lot mate

[@edgarnk3112]

very useful!!

[@Disco_Larry]

I was trying to do this for months and finally got it done correctly a month ago. It's amazing being I have a large powered USB hub and a lot of the Boutique series.

[@Disco_Larry]

Also have you checked out the manual that Sunshine Jones rewrote? sunshine-jones.com/roland-tr-09-the-missing-manual-a-users-guide-to-the-tr-09-rhythm-composer/

[@Nu-trix]

Yes , it’s pretty well don.

[@Nu-trix]

Well done.

[@Disco_Larry]

You can also create an aggregate device and use your usual audio interface together with the rest of the boutiques but I suggest reading the manual Sunshine wrote it saved me.

[@pingtrip77]

Lawrence Taylor Thanks. I will also give it a read!

[@vladdubos6330]

un gros Merci !!

[@rchrd9099]

about panning question, they seem to have implemented it in a firmware upgrade "Update history [ Ver.1.04 ] NOV 2016 Additional Functions Preset patterns were added. * To use the added patterns, a factory reset is required. A MUTE function was added. A PAN setting was added. Please refer to the "Functionality Added to the TR-09 (Ver.1.04)" in the [ Owner's Manuals ] page for detailed information." but i don't know if it translates over usb outs. i have just received the machine so i have to test out a lot of stuff that you probably already tried

[@Nu-trix]

A lot of people a linking me back to this url. But the reality is that the panning only affect the analogue out , it has no effect on the USB audio out. confirmed by Roland product specialist. It's on a wish list for now.

[@minipsyfication]

[...]But we don’t talk about it ! Great tutorial

[@djlior]

Thanks Bro

[@isaiasvera6959]

Can i send midi from ableton thru midi cables? How do i do that?

[@JohanVandekerckhove]

So you can actually connect the analog output of your laptop to the "mix in" and for example, sample youtube or anything else you're laptop can play -> right back into Ableton. I'm gonna try this tonight!

[@Nu-trix]

Johan Vandekerckhove be careful of not creating a feedback .

[@pingtrip77]

Thank u so much for doing the video. This is exactly what I'd been tryin to do!!!? One more question...what is the best way to record it as MIDI? I cant wait 2 c if panning is possible too but for now this is perfect!

[@cjhegyi]

Use the Ext. In instead of Audio in. Ext Inputs 3-13 are dedicated individual outputs from the TR-8 and TR-9.. 1 and 2 are you main inputs.

[@franmillers]

For PC Windows 10 please !!!! 🙏

[@scalawagPT]

Can't use my TR-09 as a USB soundcard. It says Not Detected on two different Macbooks. One with MacOS 10.11 (driver 1.03). The second one with MacOS 10.13 (driver 1.04). Do i need to change something on the TR-09 configuration?

[@Nu-trix]

First, try with a different USB cable. Also, are you using it running from batteries or from USB power?

[@andreboeufgras]

Hello, I have a question: do I need to connect an audio cable to TR-09? Or is the usb cable who transfers audio data?

[@Nu-trix]

When using a USB cable, audio and MIDI can transit on it. You can also have analogue audio output activity at the same time.

[@Luke-tg2ko]

Hello! I own all the boutique and follow regularly your channel. I have a question for you. I just discovered by chance that if I connect TR 09 to A01 and set the synth controller of the A01 on all sources I can use the the TR 09 to control the steps of the sequencer of the A01. Ok this is not so much a surprise. My question is : is there a way to assign to any instrument of the Tr09 a different set of notes of a different octave? It seems there are little differences between the hi-Tom and the clap etc ... but I’m not sure

[@Nu-trix]

OldSkool Synth Boy , i never saw a place where you could change the MIDI note for the déifièrent sounds . It could always be done with an external MIDI box. Like this one www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm. But you need to be well verse in MIDI or willing to learn it.

[@tonyq4358]

Having huge trouble wtih sync via usb. I've got a simple kick drum pattern that is audio and the tr-09 never stays on time. I've gone through every setting to try and get it to work. Anyone else have this problem?

[@StMooresFire]

you should try changing the latency settings in Audio preferences to a lower buffer size. I changed it to 32 samples after having this problem and that fixed it.

[@benfowle3192]

Great vid. Did you ever get an answer from roland re the PAN to achieve kick on channel 3 and snare on channel 4 etc.??

[@Nu-trix]

No answer. But refresh my memory what exactly are you trying to do?

[@benfowle3192]

@@Nu-trix trying to send audio over USB outs (1,2,3 & 4) but as mono into 8 separate tracks in ableton by panning on the tr09 like you explain at 9:21

[@rysh5503]

Thanks for the video! How do you guys deal with midi between the TR and Live? When I play back the midi recorded in Live the notes are duplicated. Simply because notes are sent from 2 sequencers at a time (TR-09 built in sequencer + Ableton sequence). What's the best workflow?

[@Nu-trix]

I'll make a video to show how I would do it.

[@rysh5503]

Sounds great! Thanks Nu-Trix

[@dj-7154]

It's great hooking up the TR-09 to Live with 4 channels but if you cannot to MX-1 mixer there is no audio. The MX-1 midi clock only activates play/stop on the TR-09. Only useful if connected directly to the DAW. If you just want the stereo out on the TR-09 you have to use a stereo lead back into the MX-1. I was hoping there was some firmware that can allow the usb audio to travel into the MX-1 because it travels fine into a DAW but not the MX-1 itself. Have you achieved this? thanks

[@Nu-trix]

Hi there, what you ask for is not possible in the MX-1. The MX-1 can only receive stereo USB audio from the compatible Roland devices. I don't expect that to change. I think it's a limit in its capacities. If the MX-1 would support multiple inputs from each USB audio it would be difficult to manage with the faders, filters and all. The MX-1 is a live performance tool. Roland should be looking into creating a USB mixer aimed to be the studio hub of the Boutique series. We will see!

[@dj-7154]

thank you I have a range of Boutiques... yeah just the TR09 don't play via USB on the one channel. I hear you about the split 4 channels over USB, but was thinking if they just had mix out over the USB like they do with JX-3 and SE02 etc. Shame as I have to put through one of the mono inputs on back of MX1. thanks.

[@elvergalarga4461]

Will the 09 work on GarageBand? That's what I'm using because I'm poor and have no money for expansive software lol.

[@neilcatlin4438]

Hey man, really finding the videos helpful. I just have a question around MIDI for the TR-09. Do you know whether it can be set up as a drum rack in Ableton? So each sound would be separated that way? I also have a Tanzbar and that is how I currently use it in my sessions. Thanks in advance!

[@Nu-trix]

You are the second asking me for this. It should possible but using Max. There is one for the TR-8.

[@neilcatlin4438]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy I cant seem to work out MIDI with the TR-09 at all! Do you have a video that just focuses on the MIDI side of the machine?

[@Nu-trix]

Neil Catlin, maybe this one can help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGq3m6aBh5lnnK8

[@neilcatlin4438]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy hey man, I’d already watched that video. What I wanted to know was exactly how to use it as a MIDI device within Ableton, rather than Audio? If it’s possible then I can run both my drum machines at the same time with no latency issues and sculpt the sounds while they are playing together.

[@oscarandresmunetonvasquez6311]

Hello greetings from Colombia ... I have a problem with my TR 09 ... I do everything you say in the video ... but I can not ndependize the instruments and register me independently for each channel ... what could I do?

[@Nu-trix]

What do you get in Ableton? All sounds on 1 and 2?

[@oscarandresmunetonvasquez6311]

hi friend, yes, it's right ... it only comes out for 1/2

[@Nu-trix]

The TR-09 has 4 USB stereo channels. To need to tell the TR-09 to witch USB out you want to sounds to be sent. Check out this video to access the menu : kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXvEnZafoqZlsMUm59s Hope this helps.

[@gustavocichovski9831]

My TR-09 doesn't show up on my macbook MIDI configuration. What do I do?

[@thepeachprince]

you have to reinstall the driver, i just had the same problem. should work fine

[@dj-7154]

Hi I have followed everything but my TR-09 keeps coming out just on the first two channels. How did you separate your KICK for the one channel? If you elect USB1 on the TR09 all the buttons light up and play / stop don't function.

[@Nu-trix]

Maybe this video explain it better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGq3m6aBh5lnnK8

[@Nu-trix]

be sure to select the OUT like shown here : kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXvEnZafoqZlsMUm56s

[@bothmark4988]

Hi ! thanks a lot for your tutorial, I did every step like you said but I don't understand I haven't got any signal in the audio input on Ableton , so I can't have separate instrument as you did, I followed every steps as you did

[@Nu-trix]

Salut Sébastien. On pourrait faire un live stream pour tenter de régler ton problème et je le réutiliserai comme vidéo sur KZbin.

[@bothmark4988]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy ! Ça serait magnifique ! Merci pour ta proposition ! Je suis énormément tes vidéos qui m’aident beaucoup avec Ableton !

[@Nu-trix]

Tu es au Québec?

[@bothmark4988]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy non en France

[@Nu-trix]

@@bothmark4988 Dans ce cas, on pourrait faire ça en PM pour toi et AM pour moi.

[@vintsent7749]

is this possible if you connect another audio interface?

[@Nu-trix]

You can have more than one USB audio interface on a MAC use the agregate audio devices like i explain here : kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3vOgJ1uo8Z3msU

[@joseg.5167]

Hi thanks for the video, the problema that i have is i need to conect roland to my soundcar, because my soundcard is conected to my speakers would it be posible to conect the tr09 to my soundcard and separate the channels in ableton by usb? Is little confused because tr09 is a soundcard too

[@Nu-trix]

You should be able to select the sound card you want to use in your DAW. You should see the two of them (sound card and Tr) the one selected will be use by the DAW.

[@joseg.5167]

@@Nu-trix thanks, i want to conect a korg synth to my interface and i need to choose the input of ableton in my soundcard, how can i connnect the tr09 with another in? Maybe external instrument ??

[@Nu-trix]

You can connect your korg in the Tr09 audio input. It will come in the computer mixed in with the tr-09 sounds.

[@joseg.5167]

@@Nu-trix uff i need to conect the synth with 2 big jacks L&R

[@danielslee3771]

Hi, I've purchased TB03 and TR09. Updated and installed everything to support my Mac. However, my Mac will only read TB03. Has anyone had this issue with TR09??

[@Nu-trix]

Daniel S Lee, maybe this will helps : kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3vOgJ1uo8Z3msU

[@vicvick460]

Daniel, I cant get my iMac to read it either. Ive updated everything, installed drivers, gave permissions, bla bla bla. It just wont appear anywhere when connected.

[@davidpicarazzi]

I see you have it set up so that the TR 09 will start when you press play, how can I set it up so that I maybe want it to start during my chorus then stop when it’s the breakdown?

[@Nu-trix]

You would need empty patterns to play at those measures.

[@davidpicarazzi]

I have my TR09 plugged into my scarlett, some of the instruments come out way more quiet than others. I've checked their individual gain knobs too :( everything is at 100@@Nu-trix

[@gamblesgroove111]

Hi Ni trix Great videos mate. Can you apply effects in real time to the individual inputs via Ableton or do you have to record first and then add effects. I want to add effects via Ableton on the drums before I record them. Is this possible ?

[@Nu-trix]

Hi Gary, It's not what most people do. Usually they try to keep the input signal clean as long as possible and have the effects as FX sends of inserts. When the mix is ok, they print the effects. It give you the possibility of changing up to the last moment. I don't even know if you can record the input with the insert fx. Probably but I would have to check.

[@gamblesgroove111]

Ok Cheers Years ago you would add effects on individual sliders for different drum parts before you record the track. For example I’d love to hear the tr8 with individual drum parts with effects on before I record it. By applying effects before you record can give you different ideas for drums etc. I’d love to know if it can be done.I have not seen one video explaining this yet. Could you find out how to do it?

[@Nu-trix]

I have enough questions about that. I think i'll make a video about it.

[@gamblesgroove111]

That’s Great I look forward to it !

[@itsbrex]

My TR-09 shows up as an audio device in Ableton, and I've got sync and everything working, but the audio still comes out of the unit. Any ideas?

[@Nu-trix]

Hi, this should be selected in the menu "USB". I talk about it at about 9:00 in the video. You have to select USB 1, 2, 3 or 4 (they are all mono) and then bring the analogue out to zero with the knob.

[@itsbrex]

Ah, epic. Thank you!

[@phibmobil]

Hi Nu-Trix, thanks for the videos ! Im having the same problem as described by BREX, but with the sh01a on Windows. I cannot find a way to disable direct monitoring of the device, used as an interface in Ableton. I always hear the direct signal from the sh01a, and the signal from Ableton at the same time. Is there a workaround for this you happen to know of ? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again !

[@sophiepooks2174]

What about other sequencers? Or only Ableton can do USB audio in?

[@Nu-trix]

No, but Ableton is on of the few DAW that can received from multiple audio interfaces simultaneously . If not, you need to combine them at the os level.

[@Vic7645]

Hi, really cool tutorial. Keep up the good stuff :) I have an additional question about Ableton effects. Let's say you press play on the Roland TR-09 in this setup. Sounds goes through Ableton and you want to add an Ableton effect to one channel. You add an effect to that channel but my guess is, the Ableton effect will make it all messy because it is out of sync. In other words the Ableton effect is not beat sync with the Roland. (or is it?) Do you know if there is a way to get the Ableton effect beat sync with the Roland or any other external sound input?

[@Nu-trix]

You have to MIDI sync Ableton Live with your TR-09.

[@Nu-trix]

More about MIDI Sync :How to sync using MIDI Sync or Trigger Sync? kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpC3qYt6n9Norbs

[@Vic7645]

@@Nu-trix Makes sense all the way :)

[@Vic7645]

@@Nu-trix Thank you! Worked it out with your help.

[@hwata996]

hard to last updateI. It's not working. Only channels 1 and 2 are outputting audio. plz help T_T

[@hwata996]

I can't signal 3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10

[@Nu-trix]

Check out this video : kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXvEnZafoqZlsMU

[@ChrisNova777]

would have been better if they at least put an adat output on the back if u ask me

[@joshk2181]

any way to send the trigger out via a midi trig?

[@Nu-trix]

Hi Josh, I just checked and no, it’s not possible.

[@joshk2181]

Sad!

[@HazeAnderson]

What are you trying to do that requires MIDI out from a drum machine?

[@quentinheubi]

So, is there a way to have 8 inputs?

[@Nu-trix]

Kenth, not unless Roland comes up with a firmware update. I’m guessing no. They do not even make the Tr-09 anymore.

[@777chrisNova]

are u the same guy that did the video on the behringer rd808

[@Nu-trix]

No, I haven’t yet tried it.

[@martinbogado9243]

Mate I have done every single step as instructed but the things is I can't get to get audio signal from other channels than the 1 and 2, the signal isn't coming through separately as it appears to you. Firmware is Updated 1.06 and driver for OS Catalina. I'm not sure what to do here :( Btw thanks for sharing!

[@AshrafHendricksSA]

I have the exact same issue. Im also on Catalina. So youre not alone. I have no idea hot to make this work as separate channels.

[@Nu-trix]

It might be a permission issue in Catalina. I know I had to go often in the system preference panel security and confidentiality to give permissions to softwares and installers. Maybe that is where the problem lies?

[@martinbogado9243]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy sadly it isn’t that the case! Maybe I can forward you a quick vid showing my connections and etc so you can take a better guess on it, if you want to of course! Cheers from Paraguay

[@martinbogado9243]

Ashraf Hendricks yes mate I was looking for a comment talking about the same issue so i wouldn’t ask for help for the same problem, but couldn’t find it! Hope we find our way on this

[@AshrafHendricksSA]

@@martinbogado9243 Hey dude. Just wanted you to know that I got it to work. You need to assign which sounds go though the "USB", which is done in the menu. Check out the bottom of pg.29 in the Sunshine Jones manual (sunshine-jones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/TR-09-Users-Guide.pdf). Hope this helps you!

[@maurobandieranomeartistadj5696]

SALVE io ho un problema e non riesco a risolverlo ho comprato da poco la TR 09 in poche parole ho fatto tutti i passaggi che dovevo fare purtroppo quando ho scaricato il DRiver al mio pc MaCBOOK PRO anno 2010 , mi dice che non legge il dispositivo ho dipende dal cavetto USB che poi non capisco quando ho comprato la TR 09 non c"è il cavetto e proprio strano Ho dipende dal mio PC , ChE poi non penso che dipende dal mio ableton lite 9 per favore mi serve aiuto grazie

[@Nu-trix]

Hi, I suggest you try re-installing the drivers for MAC. Be sure to download the right one. There are 2 different drivers for MAC. (one is ONLY for MAC OSX.13). Then connect the USB from the TR-09 into your MAC and check in the MIDI and Audio configuration if it appears at the OS level. If you see it, then the MAC sees it. If it doesn't work test with another USB cable...

[@maurobandieranomeartistadj5696]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy Intanto la ringrazio che mi hai risposto, io comunque le ho scaricate tutte e due allora quando la collego al Mac si accende la TR 09 però quando attivo ableton

[@maurobandieranomeartistadj5696]

Nu-Trix The Synth Guy Scusami volevo dire che io su l’interfaccia su ableton non la vede l’unica cosa devo inserire la mia scheda audio e mi va bene io perché ho visto un tuo tutorial che vedo che spiegavi esempio usb 1234 giusto è vedevo su ogni canale dava i singoli suoni io purtroppo non posso farlo perché non riconosce il dispositivo tutto qui

[@Nu-trix]

What is your MAC OS version, is it OSX.13? Can you see the TR-09 in the MAC OS AUDIO and MIDI Configuration?

[@Nu-trix]

The MAC Audio and MIDI configuration like in the video at 4:25.

[@fitagoraz]

for me all these comes tiring and dont make sense,it would be possible just all outputs going out separately,hope in the next firmwares they make it up.. thanks dude!

[@Nu-trix]

the easy solution is through a MX-1 mixer.

[@fitagoraz]

Another problem Is my computer can't detect my tr-08... Puff

[@Nu-trix]

Did you download the driver and try with another USB cable?

[@fitagoraz]

Yea i'll try and tell U..

[@manuelsouza2992]

Qualcuno sa farlo en Windows 10 , gracias !

[@beau9025]

Hi, What if I don't see my TB03 on the Audio MIDI Setup???

[@Nu-trix]

Change USB cable and verify you have the latest driver installed.

[@beauthedj]

Thanks man, The Roland is still turning on while plugged in and without batteries so it looks like the usb is fine. I’m using 2017 Mac so it’s going through a usb to usb c converter. Do you think this could be the problem?

[@Nu-trix]

@@beauthedj it's possible. I sometimes changed cable (even if I had power) and then the audio and MIDI was ok. So cable is often the first thing to check as well as USB adaptors.

[@beauthedj]

Thanks man will check it out!

[@beauthedj]

Thanks man will check it out!

[@ZO.OZ30]

est ce que tu peux la refaire pour la communauté franchouille ;;;;

[@Nu-trix]

Désolé, je n’ai plus de Boutique de Roland.

[@anoesisband3969]

MAC (APPLE) WARNING! TR-08 + THERE IS NO MAVERICKS OSX 10.9 DRIVER for the TR-08, ONLY the TR-09 and TB-03. So all older Mac users can not use TR-08 as audio interface but they can the TB-03 and TR-09. Why did Roland not make Mavericks support for the TR-08 is a mystery.