How to Wargame for CHEAP (not Warhammer)

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[@dartmart9263]

“Miniature agnostic” = the way things were everywhere before WH . a.k.a. orthodoxy

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

For comparison: You can give a rulebook and a full team of Stargrave or Frostgrave to two of your friends (as well as yourself) for less than the starting price of Necromunda. If you use a Perry box, you might be able to stretch it to 4.

[@willsuttie3683]

True, but you'll need loads of terrain for FG. Sure, you can just use books and cans, but you could just papercraft minis for 40k.

[@SgtRenny]

@@willsuttie3683 take a look at this video from miscast. You can fill an entire table with a couple of hours of work with this method and the end result is pretty good looking too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/in29omxmlq1ka80

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

@@willsuttie3683 This was just the required books and a single basic gang for Necromunda. Core book (€45), Gangs of the Underhive (still required)(€32,50), faction book (€32,50) and 1 gang box (€34, so not the fancy extras, total of €144). This does not include terrain. Vs 4*Frostgrave 2 rulebook (€100, Frostgrave 1 is available for 4*€15=€60), 1*Perry box of 40 dudes (€29) and 1*Frostgrave Wizards (€17). Terrain can easily be made for 1/4th of GW's offers, though the wandering monsters request a few extra things. I'd just use cardboard and a printed picture for them to start if I didn't have over 300 d&d minis already.

[@hyosworld109]

What's a Perry box? Sounds like a heck of a deal

[@bopaintsminis]

@@hyosworld109 Perry Bros. minis. It looks like YT deleted some replies.

[@michamalinowski8015]

Also plastic historicals tend to be cheaper than plastic fantasy / sci fi because of the competition.

[@NathanielWinkelmann]

Yep. Can't trademark Napoleon or William the conqueror.

[@maleussylthis4388]

I’ve looked at Reign in Hell, got the PDF and I want to do a force for every faction. It is so much fun, the possibilities are endless. Thank you Adam and Vince. Just one question will you be looking at expanding this game?

[@Runemlarsen]

I seem to remember Adam saying they will not expand it but they will make a new game.

[@tabletopminions]

We did make an expansion that we published at the end of September called “The Oculus Spear” and it adds six new scenarios that you can play solo or co-op. Now we’re working on the next game. Thanks for watching!

[@edwardclay7551]

@@tabletopminions is the new game a sci-fi or more fantasy styled game?

[@crossmr]

The problem with Ebay for a lot of miniatures is the shipping. If you're lucky and grab some kind of large set that doesn't get swarmed, it might be worth it. But I find the shipping that gets added to it really kills any kind of 'deal' you might find there.

[@Nick_Whiskey]

Etsy has the same issues. Oh wow 10 models for 20$, what a steal! But then the shipping is 25$ for every single item you add to cart. Might as well buy from GW at that point.

[@gergokerekes4550]

also do not forget VAT, that also counts shipping cost as "package value" I was blinking like a stupid seal when I had to pay 50 extra euros in tax.

[@squiginjr]

​@@Nick_Whiskey as a full time online reseller(not specifically Warhammer) I apologize for people who don't know how to ship stuff. Its like 11$ for up to 10 pound weight for ups and fed ex ground shipping and in my experience those are both more reliable services than USPS(I've sold over 1k listings to give you an ideal of amount of packages I've shipped)

[@adammoore251]

Having branched away from 40k in recent months, I have been directed towards indie games. Thanks to Uncle Atom I have discoveres awesome games like "Space Weirdos, Zona Alfa and of course Reign in Hell."

[@nathanaelcamp2963]

I love the game rulesets by OnePageRules. They have made their own miniature agnostic ruleset for a Grimdark future and Age of Fantasy (yes very similar to another name brand). They also sell minis or STL's for you to print your own but you don't need to use their models.

[@tobyearth]

I am blown away that Adam hasn't done a video about GDF, AoF, and OnePageRules

[@donaldkelly9833]

Dropping scale can also be an interesting way to save some cash! Khurushan and similar companies have HUGE ranges of 15mm for Scifi, fantasy, and historical. You can play a skirmish game in 15mm on an 18"x18" board and it's super easy!

[@johnsowerby7182]

Exactly this. Alternative Armies gets my vote, as they have the old Laserburn minis and rules, and that is a huge nostalgia trip, as I cut my wargaming teeth on that game.

[@Pengi_SMILES]

Good point. As an example of this Kings of War works fabulously with 10mm or 6mm models at a fraction of the cost

[@RavenShinyThings]

I am getting into ion age 15mm by then. Such a great setting

[@CementSaul]

Glad to see indie systems being given some spotlight! GW's stuff is great but they shouldn't be the entire hobby. Also, all you really need to have a healthy playgroup is maybe 2 other people. If you play the right system, you won't even need any other people at all!

[@Barrlounge]

Nothing says cheap like free and nothing says free like One Pages Rules free wargaming rules for 40k Armies, Kill Team and Fantasy stuff, plus a whole batch of other weird simple rules for other games (wanna race your Ork vehiclez?! They have racing rules! Wanna play a wargame with your kids on the cheap on the model end of things? Army Men Rules! Wanna just throw every single model you have scifi, fantasy or historical together in a mash up? Check out WarStuff, where you design what all your units do on a handy single page!)

[@Psychichazard]

For 5 Parsecs, you can get by on about 18 enemy minis and 6 for your crew. If you are selective about the minis you buy, they can be multiple different enemy encounter types (although tbh my mini collection keeps expanding the more I play the game)

[@uriance88]

Spiral Arm studios has some very well priced mini sprues. While technically for their Maelstrom's Edge game, they work for any sci-fi setting. (and they also sell terrain sprues that are just small to large scale greeblies and bits for pimping your scratchbuilds)

[@capt.conundrum1149]

Gaslands....Use matchbox/Hotwheels cars and "madmax" it. Scenery is cheap from the 2 dollar stores, then kitbash with spare parts/random bits and bobs. It's a massively underrated game.🤘👽🤘

[@ethanoutcelt4610]

Uncle Atom making making my purchases for other wargames less shameful as always :) Pachow

[@BB-pn2qv]

So many options but oddly there aren’t that many demon models all around

[@tabletopminions]

If you're looking for demons, nearly any D&D monster could be used as a demon. Thanks for watching!

[@justarandomname420]

One Page Rules for wargaming and GURPS for RPGs. Enjoy freedom.

[@eliberdinner4808]

The "Song of Blades and Heroes" ruleset family is a great collection of (mostly) figure agnostic games.

[@charlesentrekin6607]

Watching through this when Uncle Atom is talking about printed miniatures 3D printed. An ad came up for the patreon of a company selling beautiful STL files. For once KZbin got something right.

[@felis1977]

Nice stealth flex btw, showing the front page of Wargame Vault and both your game and its expansion being on the bestseller list ;)

[@TheDigitalThreat]

I got into the hobby just the last few weeks as I was on Amazon and decided to pick up a blood angels death company kit with my credit card points. Always wanted to get into models/minis but never knew anyone who did already and just never got myself to a shop to inquire about them. What started as a free reward impulse item turn into the gateway to this world. I started gathering supplies and all the essentials (Glue, Clippers, Paint, Brushes), then I started pickup up this and that and this doohickey then that doohickey.... 2 weeks deep and I just did my monthly financials and realized I spent over $700 on paint kits, a few other models, storage cases/magnets, and so on. Aye Caraumba! Luckily I have a savings for things like this, but this was entirely unplanned and the $ added up so fast it made my head spin. One would assume I picked up a bunch of larger kits and that ate up the majority of that 700 bucks, but it wasnt! I only picked up one other more bigger kit (W40k Elite Edition) and just two little kits (Orc Gretchins & Blackstone Cultists). It was a ton of those $5-10 purchases on uncommon supply's (Wants = Not needs) that after 30-40 of them all add up to a huge bill! Remember the days when to curb your spending you stuck your debit/credit card in water and then put it in the freezer... How do we do that with digital accounts! lol

[@supersteve76]

I played Warhammer 40k from 1994 to about 2014 or so. I sold my army after I didnt play for a number of years, nobody to play with LOL I recently discovered solo player board games and lately I have been in love with Core Space!! Ive been dumping cash on Core Space stuff every paycheck LOL

[@colinmelchior]

Core space is amazing. Its a great game and great value even just with the core set.

[@BlackDouglas1000]

Get away from the idea that the model MUST be 'what you see is what you get' (WYSIWYG) which I also call Warhammer Hypnosis. As long as one model is able to be identified as different from the other by color or symbol then you can just rely on the stat sheet. This will open up a huge range of options from you shelf and other sources.

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

Best of both worlds; Play Warhammer and everything else that interests you. That's what I do.

[@woodyrobinson9628]

I play ASOIAF & I took your advice and I provide everything so it's easy for others to play. All they have to do is sit down & play. Greatly appreciate your advice on painting also. I just paint to my level of acceptance & start playing. Plus, ASOIAF MINIATURES are easy to get on the table because of no assembly required. I get a new unit & it's on the table immediately. Thanks from Texas & Keep up the great content!!

[@odingilbertson2383]

Our libraries have a couple of printers and if you can handle one at a time prints within size limits with occasional lines, they print them for free.

[@ronlasiere4114]

Really enjoying One Page Rules to scratch my 40k itch!

[@tpa3437]

I have been having a blast with grimdark future with our old 3th edition armies i just got back.

[@velocichungus]

I found a local game shop that luckily also does printing for you. Might try them next time for minis.

[@minipaintingforyou]

There is a guy on youtube, who’s name I can’t remember right now, who prints miniatures designed for 28mm, but scales them down to 10mm. Much less material, requires much less terrain, space on the table, space on the shelf - all of these hidden costs that come with regular 28mm gaming. The beauty of this is, that you can take the exact rules, ranges etc. your 28mm game uses and change the tape measure to centimetres. It is not exact to the last decimal, as 10“ = 25.4cm, but that is close enough imo. And if you live in Europe, your tabletop gaming tape measure probably already has cm markings in addition to those imperial markings that only get used for tabletop gaming in this part of the world anyway =)

[@Bluecho4]

Not to mention there are various existing model lines at this scale, though not as much as 28mm.

[@SunDancerGE]

Like with everything in life: If you are lazy and don't but any work in it you need to pay extra. If you are willing to look beyond your plate and dig around you can save money and find real treasure. Like ordering in a restaurant, going to a buffet or cook yourself... your choice.

[@JRMcDowell]

Warhammer is only popular because people play what others are already playing, as you said its difficult to get people to invest into a new system and models. That is why I like "ONE PAGE RULES", because you can use your GW armies in their rule set.

[@tristanspahr6164]

STLs that are pre-supported are worth their weight in gold, especially when the minis are designed with printing in mind.

[@elrafa964]

Disagree on the ebay part! It is great for getting single sprues! If you want to kitbash a small warband you can pick up 1 or 2 sprues from different kits and get away with prices below 10 bucks for a full warband!!! (*depending on shippin costs)

[@bopaintsminis]

Six months ago or more I was one of the many that asked about getting into Kill Team. Uncle Atom sez, "Get the core book and two boxes of minis". He was right then, but gee dubs put the kibosh on that and released v. 2. So instead I took those minis that I had purchased for Kill Team and bought Stargrave instead. I am looking forward to running it with my kids. Thanks again for making these kinds of videos.

[@Bluecho4]

I mean, for _some_ Kill Team combinations, you can still get away with single boxes. Ork Boyz or Tactical Marines are a good example. But yes, GW does not make it easy to play their games, before the issue of price enters into it.

[@bopaintsminis]

I think my point is that getting into it is not as easy as version one. Now that might be opinion, but for sure it is easier to start the miniature agnostic games mentioned in the video, at least easier on the wallet.

[@Dram1984]

Kill team is so very frustrating. It could be a great entry point game but it’s not, everyone I know looks at it, either can’t figure out what to buy or see they need like 3 books, a counter set, maybe terrain set, etc…. And nopes out. Two things would fix it: 1. Include the rules to play each team IN THE BOX with the team. Having it separate is a pure cash grab. 2. Bundle the essentials kit with the core rules. That way you only need two things to start playing. Rules and a faction box. Boom.

[@ethanoutcelt4610]

Diversifying my wargame portfolio.

[@xenoserum]

First non GW game I got involved in was Wargods by Crocodile games and was Mr FitzPatrick himself that showed me the game and still play it now when I get the chance. Indi games are great as you can have lots in a bag and be ready to go. I always carried in 1 bag 8+ different games systems as I can't guarantee booking a day/time so always good to have other systems so I can almost guarantee myself a game.

[@NonSleeper_Occasional_Thinker]

ONE PAGE RULES for games that will satisfy your 40k or WH FB etc including Warcry and KillTeam

[@colinmack8655]

Kings of war is fairly agnostic as they do not make all units and let you use what you like even in tournaments.

[@dartmart9263]

“Miniature agnostic” = the way things were everywhere before WH . a.k.a. orthodoxy

[@edwardclay7551]

For Reign in Hell I can't reccomend enough the following sources. Mantic Games Succubi or Lower Abyssals, Frostgrave Demons, Reaper Miniatures even dnd demons/devils work well. For things like Battletech a whole army is literally 12 mechs or the equivalent in tanks/aircraft/infantry. I have been able to buy up a heap of older plastic models cheaply on Ebay and supplemented them with cheap metals from Iron Wind Metals via Ral Partha Europe. Built two 36 unit armies and I am pretty much done with that. But still buying up smaller demon/elemental warbands for Reign in Hell.

[@brandonsaffell4100]

I am ready for an open ruleset 3d printer friendly wargame.

[@josephbradshaw6985]

I think One Page Rules is big on that? Like, they have 3D models to print and such?

[@syrupoffig4865]

Try out Dead Man's Hand by Great Escape Games for an awesome, and cheap, wild west skirmish game

[@robertcanavan8488]

Such a fun set of rules. The card mechanics are brilliant

[@Kai-ow9gi]

Thanks for this information, great video! As a reward, take this 🍞. I always wanted to try planet 28

[@HacksawsHobbyBunker]

A veritable cornucopia of options for every taste. Excellent.

[@sambauman69]

Warlords of Erehwon, a fantasy version of Bolt Action built with the STATED PURPOSE of being played with any odd fantasy miniatures you have lying around.

[@redviego6714]

Another good idea is using boardgamegeek and boardgameoracle to find board games with good minis and use them as proxies for other games. Example rune wars or zombicide for undead hordes

[@WoebringerofDoom]

For my miniatures I use a mix of Reaper minis (pewter and plastic) for the heros. And old HeroQuest for everything else.

[@giantmonsterman]

Battletech is ridiculously affordable and the community supports 3D printing and total model freedom. Jump on the bandwagon and join the Capellans!

[@Darffone]

In the 90's i got about $380 worth of eldar warhammer 40k guys for xmas. Biggest mistake of my life. I spent more time painting them than i did playing them and i bought them based on how cool they looked and when i saw how they played together i was very dismayed. I had a friend who had the space marine starter set abd he beat me 3/3 games and i was so upset at how much i spent on the miniatures and peripherals and how much it would cost to extend my army (impossible) that i threw them all on the garbage abd decided the game was for rich europeans clinging to atari computers. I got 5 parsecs from home, 5 klicks from the zone and 5 leagues from...whatever it was. They are great coop and sp miniature war/rpg games. I bought cheap colour coded army men, i got small plastic dinosaurs, plastic bugs and other toys you'd see in the dollar store. I used 1/2" foam insulation boards from a hardware store and glued paper printouts onto the shapes for textures. I use construction paper for grass, dirt, water, etc. Also got cheap plastic aquarium and train scenery plants and things for decorations. (Glued stuff onto coins and washers for weighted bases) Now for modern warfare at least i have tons of options for a fraction of the warhammer price. Doesnt look photo realistic but it is very geometric and playable which in my opinuon makes the game more playable. Still the time i spent cutting, gluing, and printing made me wonder what the hell i was doing. Computer games have a lot if pro's. (I got it all from amazon, wargamevault, and a few impulse buys from a local dollar store) I will never pay $10 fir a hunk of pkastic or pewter ever again. If anyone has any ideas on doing fantasy miniatures i have been using smg guys for goblins and that might be going too far but for games with ogres, goblins, elves, worgs, dragons and so on the variation has kind of pushed me away. I was drawing paper cuboids but got sick of it. For some reason i felt strongly about drawing each side of the unit and it took forever.

[@PatGilliland]

Next episode, Atom discovers Napoleonic Mass battles and pines away for the cheapness of GW. :) Great episode, if a little heavy on the 3d printing side. There are thousands of companies and small manufacturers out there making more figures and terrain than you can imagine.

[@johnsnow5968]

3d printing makes all historical dreams come true ;) I made a huge 15mm ww2 collection for next to no money. Napoleonics, where the soldiers are SUPPOSED to be identical copies of one another? Pennies!!

[@JakeSweeper]

Battlletech. It's been one of my favorites for decades and it's enjoying something of a resurgence. Best part is, you only need 4-6 minis per side to have a killer game. :)

[@joken64]

I play wargames including lots of GW (Killteam, Middle Earth SBG, Necromunda and Battlefleet Gothic and 40K) and then the other 50 or so games that I play. Osprey games is a great source for quick interesting rules; Ash’s Gamma Wolves is a great example and my Rackham Therian are locked and loaded for that rule set. Whether it’s a GW figure or someone else’s I always try to base in the same style (25mm round, Vallejo earth paste, Steel Legion Drab, Agrax Earthshade and Army painter tufts) so that it’s not the base that stops interchangeability.

[@TerrierHalo]

We don’t believe that you are against 3D printing, just that you are against setting it up. ;)

[@tabletopminions]

That DOES seem to be true. Thanks for watching!

[@Mark-gq8ei]

I've personally never played a GW game, outside of Heroquest and maybe a couple of games of Blood Bowl in the 1990's, and I find the attitude of sticking solely with GW so weird. There's so many great games out there to go and play!

[@RenMomoDotPog]

sunk cost fallacy

[@WithTheGrain]

Part of the reason comes down to finding other players. I can buy every game out there, but if I can’t get my friends to buy in as well, then there’s no point.

[@thesapodcast]

Have you ever tried Pulp Alley? It’s a really great mom and pop indie tabletop skirmish game, and the creator Dave is super active on KZbin. Got into it recently and it’s an awesome game and community. Plus it’s pretty agnostic with its pulp setting and characters.

[@BB-pn2qv]

You should do a walk through on setting up your 3D printer maybe. Done well, could be a nice update for that old video.

[@HootMaRoot]

It's great hearing Americans and Canadians using the word cludgie, but not so sure everyone knows it means toilet in the Scots language

[@tabletopminions]

Interesting. According to Wikipedia: "A kludge or kluge is a workaround or quick-and-dirty solution that is clumsy, inelegant, inefficient, difficult to extend and hard to maintain. This term is used in diverse fields such as computer science, aerospace engineering, Internet slang, evolutionary neuroscience, and government." Thanks for watching!

[@HootMaRoot]

@@tabletopminions we use it as a term for a bad/bodged work around for stuff to get it to work also

[@recentconvert42]

where are the soldiers from that pop up at 4.30 ive seem them before but can never find them when searching

[@isku76]

Pig Iron Productions/Kolony Militia Booster Pack

[@joshuareddinger7555]

Do you have a video ranking/comparing/discussing a bunch of mini game rule systems? I want to find more alternatives that are fun

[@tylerpeck9754]

WHY DIDNT YOU TALK ABOUT WARHAMMER and 40K!!!!?? just kidding.. great advice

[@ericdeutsch6707]

You forgot to mention stoppy robot game

[@binbontree259]

thank you for saving us from crippling debt

[@davidnorth6670]

You're one of the RARE few that gets auto-likes from me before even watching...

[@jaelee1996]

Stopped starting 40K about a year ago. Playing SAGA instead. Great fun.

[@MrVlandus]

Recasting old minis

[@HopeisAnger]

My gaming club got so sick of GW codex issues and pricing that we jumped all the way back to Star Grunt II. Interesting system, lot of fun.

[@jaredjjacobs]

eBay can be pretty sweet for other named games, I got the Guild Ball Kick Off set for 15$

[@cory7328]

I just discovered FPFH. Cannot wait to get my book. FPFH and Star Breach will work together for me.

[@bneil4059]

Playing wargames with counters will save lots of money and time. Like reading a book without pictures. GMT, DVG, Compass Games etc.

[@tabletopminions]

I (personally) find the miniatures to be as important as a good ruleset. It wouldn't be as enjoyable for me without the minis and terrain. Thanks for watching!

[@afd19850]

Rules are more important than good minis. To use your FPS analogy re: Skirmish games, a good game with so-so graphics is better than a AAA game with super graphics and bad gameplay. I grew up with Space Crusade and 40K but moved to Necromunda as I wanted smaller tactical/squad gameplay where every model could influence the outcome. There are so many great skirmish games these days you can avoid GW games if you wanted.

[@CassyCat4]

I’ve been having huge successes buying fantasy miniatures on eBay in uk atm

[@Ranzarok]

Great video. Quick question: Do you have any advice for finding play testers for tabletop skirmish/and solo rulesets? I have been designing a miniature game ruleset, as well as a miniature line for it (I'm a 3d modeler by trade) but I'm not sure how to go about finding play testers to help refine the rules. Thanks for any info and always enjoy your vids. :)

[@unclebones]

Big pdf indie fan, and use wargames vault a lot, we are lucky in the UK and have lots of Web based print services that you can upload the pdf to, personalise in terms of paper type, binding and size. So one assumes similar exists in NAmerica?

[@thegreyknight1092]

God, I've watched this 3 times lmao.

[@josecarlosxyz]

playing is expensive, collecting requires some cash and painting requires anyway, you must spend something

[@raeishimura]

I've been playing Reign in Hell, bought the game, have the pdf. and got Oculus Spear. I'm 2 missions in to a solo run of Oculus Spear and 4 in to a Co-Op with my brother. My faction of The Empty has been way more effective than i was expecting, and his Judges are surprisingly capable. I've also been running a 20 turn campaign of Five Parsecs from Home that is approaching it's conclusion, and have been playing Gaslands and Grimdark Future: Firefight sporadically as well. There really do seem to be some fantastic games out there. Since i'm mostly a solo player though, I'd like to just ask if you have any suggestions for other solo tabletop games that are out there? I tend to lean towards sci-fi/cyberpunk, but fantasy is always fun too. Most of the games I see are for multiple people while I lean solo more, which is why i ask. Any suggestions anyone might have would be great.

[@tabletopminions]

Check out Rangers of Shadowdeep - it’s designed to be played solo. Thanks for watching!

[@HootMaRoot]

What I have trouble with is finding miniatures like dwarves, orcs and goblins, elves and orks that look as good as the the GW models. I still use 4th edition fantasy rules and have gorka morka rules from when I first got into the hobby. But the price of models these days from gw has made me look for cheaper models as many of the gw models are the same they had in the 90s

[@magimon91834]

I really like oathmark and wargames Atlantic for those fantasy archetypes

[@HootMaRoot]

@@magimon91834 thank you so much I can't believe the prices £100 will get me more than enough to keep me busy painting for a few months

[@magimon91834]

@@HootMaRoot i have an elf army that's mostly fireforge and gripping beast minis with elf heads i get off etsy. If that helps let me know

[@kavanmg]

The newer Mantic lines are much better than the older ones, and I would only have bought GW previously, the new Rift Forged Orcs look great in my opinion, especially the armoured giant/troll thing

[@charlesentrekin6607]

You might want to try a KZbin channel called obscurities in miniature. He will show you some of the best looking Miniatures out there and does the one thing that really helps he gives you scale comparison cuz it's kind of disheartening picking up dwarves and having them much taller than anything else on the board.

[@imyourlol]

Play GW games with matic minies. Best way to have a good games with good and affordable minies :)

[@erickwilson4897]

Thanks for the ideas, I lost all my stuff in a fire then break-in. Great fun for this timely video.

[@stevenschnepp576]

I've got a 3d printer and too much time on my hands. Are you in the United States or Canada? I can print off some stuff for you, if you give me a wish list and place (like a PO box or something) I can send it to.

[@frederickrose3967]

GW is a plague on hobby wargaming.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Lol no. They are responsible for a loooot of people getting into the hobby, by being so accessible as they are.

[@benjaminparent4115]

@@martinjrgensen8234 I wouldn't call them accessible with their current pricing. An accessible wargames should cost no more than 200 euro to field a standart sized. And It ain't the case with the most popular GW games which are the main product. It is the case thought for Bolt Action and Infinity. The only thing GW have for itself is its long established presence and popularity which help finding player in some cases. And that is heavily mitigated by the fact an hobbyist can easily afford two to three armies standart sized army of some wargames for the same prices someone can field a single standart size 40k army meaning they can introduce newcomers to the hobby and more easily find peope to play with for cheaper. Such pricing are also less intidimidating for newcomers, and increase retention. Even in model making they are not accessible, most competition can sell troop model at half the price of GW cheapest troop option which are old range, and the higher quality stuff tend to be as expensive that those troop option around 3 euro per model., their more modern range of troop option is easily three times more expensive with prices between 4 to 5 euro per model, and their elite troop option are priced as much as individual hero figurine from other companies sometimes even metal figurine, and their hero/hq option are just insanely price more than freaking 20 euro sometimes even reaching 30 euro. And there is also 3d printing whose quality is close or already reaching cast plastic quality while being cheaper than GW.

[@Gumlass1]

Turnip28 has been fun recently too.

[@corbingovers7559]

Obligatory Malifaux plug here. One core box for each side and a free rulebook and you're good to go.

[@handsofrhythm3415]

This was simply fantastic. Thank you. First time viewer, I am off to peruse your channel. You are very thorough.

[@RavenClaw88]

I am looking for cat ears and tails to add to my sisters of battle miniatures. I have not found any place that has either tails or cat ears, or even cat girl heads that you can put on the existing SoB bodies. Maybe some day.

[@MrBizteck]

Ash was responsible for me getting into Frostgrace and Rangers of Shadowdeep.

[@brokefun7545]

Flying game 😂

[@laurenwyldman7585]

I remember buying literal sand from GW when I was a kid. Marketing genies. I remember basing a horse jumping over a “log” and I didn’t want to just use a stick from the garden… because “it’s not GW and will rot away” That stick looks like the realest mf log ever, never painted it even! Still alive and un-rotted away 10 years later

[@andrewbeeching1240]

Biggest problem searching for Infinity minis is that Disney has a range of plushies or something, called "Infinity" - it's all Avengers and stuff like that. Be specific and search for "Infinity Nomads", or "Infinity Combined Army", etc.

[@discofille724]

Tank combat, art of tactics

[@Axonteer]

that joke "Want to Wargame on the Cheap? Dont play Warhamer er er her her her her"..... oh boy is that a good one :D :D

[@Falhurk]

There are so many smaller indie games that run with whatever models you want to use, tabletop has never been cheaper. You can get an entire playable force for many of them 3d printed for next to nothing. Great time to be involved in tabletop.

[@annoyingrequirement]

Saucerman studios terrain stl on sale thru cyber Monday awesome Sci fi models.

[@EfaunAipiera]

You can literally play nearly any other game on the market and get a more inexpensive game with better rules: Infinity, Malifaux, Moonstone etc. etc.

[@slimjim7411]

Gaslands, great fun, uses matchbox cars with random plasticard and bits. That said I've never understood besides brilliant models that 40K remains the most popular. It was dead between 6th and 8th edition. 8th edition saw a boom but once ITC became a thing at least locally it's a dead game and 9th edition doesn't seem to be lighting any new fires for it. With the onslaught of books every edition needed to play and keep up, the price of just remaining in the 40K universe exceeds the price to play most other games. Locally 40k is dead, AoS never even had a pulse. I'm trying to get people into gaslands but while many are saying it's dead the #1 game locally that is growing fast is Warmachine/Hordes.

[@TableTopTransformer]

Gotta say. This video is a low hanging fruit. But a very interesting one

[@MichaelKloepfer68]

I would love to play solo fantasy games. As a person with MS and can't work I have no money to spend for this and my late 80's parents don't think any of this is worthwhile

[@Thor-Orion]

We should just form like a community that develops our own rule sets and then shares them. I’m working on a game that takes place starting with the Gaullic wars that runs all the way through the Conquistadors. There are different unit stats for the different ages of armor and such and the differences in projectiles and black powder weaponry will also have different capacities/capabilities at different times, obviously starting at the beginning when there weren’t any.

[@Thor-Orion]

So I got into GW games at like 7 years old, I’m pretty young still, I’m only 33, but I absolutely have noticed that people are hesitant to try new stuff, which is why when I wanted to introduce a new game at my LGS (they have really nice tables in the basement and second floor) I brought enough troops (save up for a 3-D printer REGARDLESS of what you play. GW are disgusting extortionists, don’t pay their bullshit prices, you can print up space marines for fractions of a penny on the dollar because of how much GW marks up. I did the math before I got my first 3-D printer the year after I graduated high school, at the time it was like a hey penny on the dollar, now it’s even crazier like 1/10th of a penny on the dollar, or maybe more now, i don’t even check gw’s product line anymore so I don’t know for sure).

[@MichaelKloepfer68]

I kinda looked into OPG but kinda confused how that works since I've never played

[@OldManRogers]

The problem is that GW/Warhammer is *safe* there is no-one within 2 hours of me that plays Infinity or Malifaux for example. But if you wargame and aren't exclusively historical chances are you will have a GW game because opponents you can find easily. It kinda sucks because the 'faux, and infinity are amazing but have zero opponents with zero interest because even if they are there's no FLGS that sells it either =/ #irishproblems

[@MichaelKloepfer68]

I have built and painted warhammer fantasy for close to 30 years and have never played

[@ironbomb6753]

I dig my 40K, a lot, but I would like to try a miniature game with that cyberpunk vibe. Cyberpunk is wicked cool. To me.

[@See_That_Game]

Getting miniatures/Terrain and painting them or reading new rules is easy. Getting people to try new games it hard.

[@MrEXtAc3]

So what i dont like aboht agnostic is that ita hard to find a cohesive set of. Miniature who also seem to fit there 'role', guess i just lack creativity in that way. I feel nore comfortable with a game and a set of compatible heroes. Maybe i should just try a agnostic game with those but still feels off