How to Win a Debate Without Even Trying | Socratic Questioning

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Unsolicited advice

Күн бұрын

Critical Thinking is in short supply these days. It seems hardly a day goes by without some think piece coming out bemoaning the death of good argumentation. But what if there was a way to expose your opponent's position and to evaluate your own? Well, in my opinion, such a system already exists, and was created thousands of years ago by the Ancient Greek Philosopher, Socrates.
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00:00 Socrates is permanently missed
01:07 Pre-Arguing
04:49 The Ignoramus and Clarification
07:41 Causes and Reasons
10:42 The Alternatives
13:36 Implications and Consequences
16:30 Questioning Questions

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@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
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@georgewarner5496
@georgewarner5496 2 ай бұрын
FOR LOTS OF LAUGHTER TELL THIS ONE TO LADIES : Can you imagine an elevated motor car fitted with wheels on the ends of long stilts. A strong gust of wind would easily blow it off balance. The high heeled shoes that women wear are similar to that car. They are one of Humanity's most daft inventions. And I don't believe that a Christian woman that has a serious interest in Stoic Wisdom based on Rational Judgement and Sound Logic would ever wear high heeled shoes. The shoes contort the feet from their natural shape, minimise stability and traction, and have the opposite effect of minimalist shoes and barefoot walking. There are various situations that women may find themselves in that clearly elucidate the error of wearing H.H. shoes. E.g. Running to catch a bus or train. Running to cross a road where there is no pedestrian crossing and there is traffic moving fast in both directions. Running for your life when a mass shooting happens. John Wayne said : Life is tough but its even tougher when you're stupid. LOL.
@MariadeLourdesAniesSanch-ze7hf
@MariadeLourdesAniesSanch-ze7hf Ай бұрын
I guess man
@MariadeLourdesAniesSanch-ze7hf
@MariadeLourdesAniesSanch-ze7hf Ай бұрын
He is my body forever I like freedom please
@happinesstan
@happinesstan Ай бұрын
"The unexamined life s not worth living" But is the unlived life worthy of examination?
@silvergreylion
@silvergreylion Ай бұрын
@@georgewarner5496 Thanks, though I think it needs a bit of modernization.
@TwoDudesPhilosophy
@TwoDudesPhilosophy 2 ай бұрын
My girlfriend must be a distant relative of Socrates, because I never win any of our debates.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Haha! I think the same about my grandma - she always comes out on top even when I think I’ve temporarily got the upper hand
@Anand2024
@Anand2024 2 ай бұрын
🤣
@guynamedjohn69
@guynamedjohn69 2 ай бұрын
Lol I always win. I'm sure she lets me. 6 years together now
@bryanutility9609
@bryanutility9609 2 ай бұрын
Just nod your head when she talks, 😂
@deepblue1846
@deepblue1846 2 ай бұрын
If you lose you lose.. if you win you still lose.. sometimes it’s best to not fight lol
@klosnj11
@klosnj11 2 ай бұрын
Holy cow. "You can't logic someone out of a position that they haven't logiced themselves into." That sounds like something I should have known already, but I had never heared it expressed like that.
@Bf26fge
@Bf26fge Ай бұрын
That is so true. I believe it was Mark Twain who said it is much easier to fool a man than to convince him that was fooled.
@catlordofthe69th82
@catlordofthe69th82 Ай бұрын
I believe he is the one that said "No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot"@@Bf26fge
@Itsunaiz
@Itsunaiz Ай бұрын
Just cuz a quote sounds cool doesnt make it true. Sometimes a good debate can help open ppl’s eyes to rationale and make them requestion their emotional beliefs
@rufuscollis303
@rufuscollis303 Ай бұрын
Once the "belief system" has been tapped into...there's no moving it. Even if that was based on lies,
@klosnj11
@klosnj11 Ай бұрын
@@Itsunaiz while the statement is formulated as an absolute, I think it is safe to assume it is meant as a rule of thumb more than an unbreakable law of the universe. Of course there are instances where reason can change someones perspective if it was originally informed by emotion. But I think in the vast majority of such cases, pathos or ethos will get one further than logos alone. We are not purely rational beings. As Hume said, "Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions."
@jamestaquino7726
@jamestaquino7726 Ай бұрын
To summarize… Pre-Arguing: Ask “What definitions are we using for the key terms in our discussion?” to find out if you really are arguing about what you think you're arguing about. The word “God” could mean multiple things. If two parties have different definitions and are both arguing whether or not God is real, they're not on the same page and have a distorted reality of what the other person is thinking. The second thing to ask is “Under what circumstances would we change out mind?”. The reason for asking this would be to gauge if they are even open to the idea of learning something new out of the debate, or are just a Martyr for their beliefs. The Ignoramus and Clarification: “I’m not sure I completely understand your position.” is a great way to diffuse the argument by turning it I to a discussion of genuine curiosity. By asking them to clarify their position, they have to think more elaborately of their position, revealing to them the holes in their logic. “What do you mean by that?” allows your opponent to clarify their argument so you can get on the same page as them, allowing you to articulate your argument based on their subjective worldview. Causes and Reasons: Ask “What is the reasoning behind that belief?” to have them explain their logic. If they reply back with what CAUSED their belief, state the separation between reasoning and cause. If they dismiss what you say and repeatedly state what caused their worldview, it very well may be a lost cause. The Alternatives: Put yourself in the other persons shoes. Live their life for a moment and ask yourself “what information may I be missing living the life that this person has lived?” . Knowing that they may be dismissing omitted information, ask “Under What conditions would you change your mind?”. This will get them to think critically about different perspectives people could carry, which could then open their mind for change. Implications and Complications: To translate peoples beliefs into reality and hold them accountable, ask “If what you say is true, then what would be a consequence of it? Positive and negative?”. This will get them thinking down the line of their beliefs, putting it to the smell test. Questioning Questions: Question questions to clarify the reasoning behind their curiosity. Find out why you're stance is causing them distress to address their logic and emotions properly. Forgive me for the long comment. Writing this for my own sake. Hopefully someone benefits from it like I have.
@booboobeepbeep9964
@booboobeepbeep9964 Ай бұрын
Thank you, this was a great summary. Very for exterior opinions, giving this an accurate summary of the video. Though I don’t think I would have been opposed to some of your personal opinions.
@nathanielnorton1972
@nathanielnorton1972 Ай бұрын
Thank you for leaving this here, I went through it aloud and it seems I have a deeper understanding now of this video, thanks to you 😊
@PBTexasBoy
@PBTexasBoy Ай бұрын
Thank you.
@Venusneighbor
@Venusneighbor Ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@BetwixtDandD
@BetwixtDandD Ай бұрын
Also, ask yourself WHY do you want to win debate? Question your motive first. Furthermore, AVOID arguing with morons. Otherwise, you are wasting your time and energy.
@Mondomeyer
@Mondomeyer 2 ай бұрын
The real secrets to winning arguments: 1. Be loud 2. Interrupt 3. Make up your own facts 4. Never let critical thinking enter into anything I learned how to argue from my parents.
@doob.
@doob. 2 ай бұрын
5. Threaten you opponents with harmful actions.
@Mondomeyer
@Mondomeyer 2 ай бұрын
@@doob. That's a good one.
@rinishan
@rinishan 2 ай бұрын
Ouch, my condolences. At least you're able to make good humor out of it now, if there is a silver lining :)
@PeroroGodzilla
@PeroroGodzilla 2 ай бұрын
6. Make them think their wrong 7. Always Invalidate their stance's in arguments
@jldriver02
@jldriver02 2 ай бұрын
@@doob. 6. Act smug and condescending smack your lips and shake your head while the opponent is making their point. It helps if you are eating/drinking something
@swagg_37
@swagg_37 2 ай бұрын
2:22 the amount of times that we end up arguing “about nothing” bc the misunderstanding falls under the “pre-argument” part. loved how u broke down that “pre” stage
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Ah thank you! I think it can be helpful as I have wasted so much time in the past before realising that I had just misunderstood someone's position
@klosnj11
@klosnj11 2 ай бұрын
How do you think that can be achieved online. Often we find ourselves in the midst of the action online; an argumentitive "medias-en-res" if you will. Do we formalize the debate? "So before we go any further, I want to make sure that we are all speking the same language...." That sort of thing?
@GuardDog42
@GuardDog42 2 ай бұрын
Doubles as a way to pin people down on what they believe so they cannot weasel out of it if the conversation turns against them.
@riffz6065
@riffz6065 2 ай бұрын
This transcends politics and debates. This is communication and self awareness 101
@AlliePaints
@AlliePaints 2 ай бұрын
I mean debates aren’t inherently political (not saying you necessarily said that, but it seems like a potential flaw in your logic)
@somevideos7432
@somevideos7432 Ай бұрын
@@AlliePaintsnice, I see what you did there 😉
@MZIH
@MZIH Ай бұрын
I’m not sure I completely understand your position, But you’re wrong
@JonDot
@JonDot Ай бұрын
Some may even call it Philosophical :P
@AlliePaints
@AlliePaints Ай бұрын
@@somevideos7432 TMW I Have no Idea what you're talking about because that was just a genuine statement 🤣
@psycomutt
@psycomutt 19 күн бұрын
Not defining terms is a also a good reason to just bail on a conversation. Lots of people refuse to define terms because they don't want to be nailed down and that's when I know to just leave the conversation because they just want to "win" at any cost.
@danielhaven
@danielhaven 2 ай бұрын
"I don't like pizza." "What do you mean by 'pizza'?" "The food made of dough, tomato sauce, and mozzarella cheese." "What do you mean by 'cheese'?" "The food that's made from milk that comes from cows." "What do you mean by 'cows'?" "The farm animals we use to produce beef, milk, and cheese." "What do you mean by-" "Listen. If you make me go through this infinite loop of answering definitions for every word, I will make you drink hemlock." "..." "..." "What do you mean by-" *glug glug glug*
@jj4791
@jj4791 Ай бұрын
Yes! Specify what the ingredients are. That will resolve much debate.
@brooklyn5755
@brooklyn5755 22 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂 LOL
@jacklikescereal4312
@jacklikescereal4312 20 күн бұрын
ayooooo
@LogicallySoundMM
@LogicallySoundMM 16 күн бұрын
Aiyoo kadavule haha ! That's hilarious 😂
@MicahMicahel
@MicahMicahel 7 күн бұрын
"you're an anti vaxxer" "What do you mean by anti vaxxer?" "You dont want one specific vax mandated into everyone because it is experimental and untested" "how does that make me against all vaxxes?" "it doesnt... this is just how propganda works"
@WalkthruSEObak
@WalkthruSEObak 28 күн бұрын
Almost every online argument you ever encounter comes down to 2 people operating off of different definitions of a term.
@MicahMicahel
@MicahMicahel 7 күн бұрын
they weaponize words this way. An anti vaxxer wasnt a person that doesnt want a new experimantal medication forced on yhe whole population. ignore nuance to just say they are against all vaccinations and even against science itself. "but it never stopped people from being contagious!" "heretic!"
@jimj9040
@jimj9040 Ай бұрын
Some people are just incapable of critical thinking. No matter how many angles you show them how to re-think their position, their previous conclusion will never change. They never reasoned their way into their belief, so there’s no reasoning them out of it.
@korumo2554
@korumo2554 Ай бұрын
I think they just want to win arguments based on their emotion, and yes it will be poitnless to debate if they are in that stand
@GingeryGinger
@GingeryGinger Ай бұрын
Define critical thinking for me here?
@jimj9040
@jimj9040 Ай бұрын
@@GingeryGinger Critical thinking: using known and indisputable facts and building upon them without emotion or bias and being able to trace all you opinions back to first principles. Disagreements mostly happen when somebody lets emotion or bias into this process.
@hakon_helgoy
@hakon_helgoy Ай бұрын
​@@jimj9040 I'm confused. If a requirement for thinking critically is already having opinions tracable to first principles, then thinking critically on a topic you've not already traced back seems impossible to do. In this case you'd only be able to do something "think critically" if and only if, you already believed certain things to be true. By this metric Descartes isn't thinking critically when he doubts everything around him, but only after he's found something he can no longer doubt.
@jimj9040
@jimj9040 Ай бұрын
@@hakon_helgoy The requirement was having Facts, not opinions. In order to think critically and form opinions you have to establish something to be true in the first place in order to build upon that base. You can continue to question the factual basis of anything and you may find you were wrong when you get new information. That’s how progress works. It’s impossible to doubt everything around you at the same time, but it doesn’t hurt to re-examine your core beliefs and those things that sprout from them every now and then. Descartes indeed Isn’t engaging in critical thinking yet when he simply is observing. Doubting is just a state of not knowing if anything is true…no thinking is involved in doubting. Once he gets to… I think, therefore I am…he now has something to build upon.
@jordanmatthew6315
@jordanmatthew6315 2 ай бұрын
This is why i am the silent student in school, observe carefully - write it down; but also remembering that i am human with my own desires and needs; its really fun how philosophy orders your mind but reminds you of personal goals.
@PowerK1
@PowerK1 2 ай бұрын
such cope
@homosapien4067
@homosapien4067 2 ай бұрын
What do you mean by cope?​@@PowerK1
@crappycat9056
@crappycat9056 2 ай бұрын
@@homosapien4067I think what this guy means is that you’re essentially “coping with that fact that you’re pretty shit and low status in class”, making stuff about how you’re actually “secretly smart” by observing and doing “smart” stuff while keeping a low profile. Just my guess on what they meant 🤷
@MorteWulfe
@MorteWulfe Ай бұрын
​@@PowerK1says the weeb with a Gundam avatar?
@jarate8076
@jarate8076 Ай бұрын
@@MorteWulfe>basically said nothing but with shine
@threeriversforge1997
@threeriversforge1997 29 күн бұрын
Excellently done. One thing I tell young people is to gather up the older copies of the Great Authors, the Thinkers, that were published pre-1960. The way these books were written is altogether different than what we see today, what I sometimes refer to as High English, and it precludes the problem of books having been selectively "abridged" to remove non-pc content. Plus, they're very much a window in time that allows us to get a sense of how the world was in The Times Before. That aside, reading the older books, with all their big words, provides you with words and concepts that are decidedly lacking today. Words allow you to understand the thoughts you might be having because they give a name to a concept. Words do have meanings, and definitions do matter.
@FootLooseAngel
@FootLooseAngel Ай бұрын
I'm blown away that KZbin would force you to censor famous paintings. Mind boggling use of pearl-clutching
@madMARTYNmarsh1981
@madMARTYNmarsh1981 27 күн бұрын
Considering their A.I. has been trained on the same famous art, it is particularly egregious and hypocritical.
@robertpowser5624
@robertpowser5624 8 күн бұрын
They are hell bent on keeping boys from knowing what boob's like like!
@Lady-in-Red
@Lady-in-Red 2 ай бұрын
The point about the pre-argument stage is so true. It's useful even outside of debates, as I've had small arguments with friends about nothing, because we had wrong assumptions about how the other person defined a word. Very silly.
@jacksoncharles3595
@jacksoncharles3595 Ай бұрын
ah yes Ive found myself: Debating with imaginary people in the shower
@NalaniG
@NalaniG 2 ай бұрын
I got so excited when I saw the notification that you posted :)
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Ah thank you! That has made me smile
@akkamal6999
@akkamal6999 2 ай бұрын
I really loved the way you added in some humor here and there in this video! Made me giggle a number of times hehe
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Ah thank you! I am glad!
@Ana_MF
@Ana_MF 2 ай бұрын
Critical thinking? Are you trying to corrupt the youth or something ??? Congrats on reaching 100k!!
@motivationlobby859
@motivationlobby859 2 ай бұрын
Are you stupid
@mrnice7570
@mrnice7570 2 ай бұрын
Trying to get em to stop and think before chopping off appendages
@user-qb2ze8pn9c
@user-qb2ze8pn9c 2 ай бұрын
Soc rates was woke af...
@checkoutoftheabove9809
@checkoutoftheabove9809 2 ай бұрын
​@user-qb2ze8pn9c 6 would have been. How would he do shit a sleep 😂
@thesufferer7276
@thesufferer7276 2 ай бұрын
so.. Define what's corrupt according to you 😂
@Sukisunn
@Sukisunn 3 күн бұрын
This world today needs more Socrates in it. Love it when people challenge me and my few beliefs. On the subject of belief. Belief is only present when there is a lack of knowledge. For if you have the knowledge. You know and there for don't believe.
@oopsagain1surname
@oopsagain1surname Ай бұрын
But what do you mean "win" a debate? 🙂
@helpumuch6887
@helpumuch6887 28 күн бұрын
Underrated comment
@shane727
@shane727 27 күн бұрын
Lol
@hunterhall1575
@hunterhall1575 14 күн бұрын
Well it depends on what you mean by... :P
@howdy-partner934
@howdy-partner934 2 ай бұрын
Hello, Unsolicited Advice! Once again another spendid and comprehensive video, you have my applause. It is wonderful to see someone as dedicated as you are to refining your philosophy and out-view on life. I digress, thank you! 😄
@Anintora
@Anintora 2 ай бұрын
this is an incredibly insightful video that taught me the roots of the fundamentals of competitive debate. in competitive debate, we all learn to establish definitions, set burdens (conditions under which you or your opponent would be true or false), consider the impacts of a motion being put into place (implications), etc. etc. in our speeches. it's critical to understand the importance these parameters have in making rational and convincing constructive arguments.
@Aterribletake
@Aterribletake 2 ай бұрын
Your framing is extremely useful in these, thanks for all your work
@YourtallCanadian
@YourtallCanadian 2 ай бұрын
Love YOUR VIDEOS! wish there was more content creators like you
@OrdnanceLab
@OrdnanceLab 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Glad to see the channel is growing like it should with content like this.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate how you’ve been there from the start
@eliansalinas7022
@eliansalinas7022 21 күн бұрын
Information is the most deadly weapon, and the most useful tool.
@54V4
@54V4 15 күн бұрын
This is very helpful, thanks, it shed some light on my debating style.
@DJPastaYaY
@DJPastaYaY 25 күн бұрын
Very insightful video!
@Jeewanu216
@Jeewanu216 Ай бұрын
I spend a lot of my free time in debates on a variety of topics. It's just so fun! This video I think will help me and my friends to sharpen our critical thinking skills.
@ioshthornton1971
@ioshthornton1971 Ай бұрын
How delightful! I was laughing and applauding through the entire video. Well done, sir!
@L80skidd
@L80skidd 29 күн бұрын
I'm not entering debates to win them, but to learn. People that enter debates to win them aren't great people to have a debate with.
@joylove8693
@joylove8693 Ай бұрын
Very interesting, I find this episode very helpful ❤, many thanks
@pleaseexcusemeforbeinganti6626
@pleaseexcusemeforbeinganti6626 Ай бұрын
This is truly unsolicited advice
@theguywithone
@theguywithone 25 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video and information. You earned my subscription. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
@krabbypatty6996
@krabbypatty6996 2 ай бұрын
I just recently read about the first dialogue of socrates in the book republic by plato and honestly this gives me much essential knowledge to think critically and ask questions with more clarity
@thescholarofmagic
@thescholarofmagic Ай бұрын
A very well made video, containing a vital life lesson.
@natenelson7671
@natenelson7671 Ай бұрын
Great video. Well done. Thank you.
@yggdrasil9039
@yggdrasil9039 27 күн бұрын
Very good unsolicited advice
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@AnHebrewChild Ай бұрын
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@gabrielmadercoutinho4764
@gabrielmadercoutinho4764 2 ай бұрын
Very nice, congrats and many thanks!
@planetary-rendez-vous
@planetary-rendez-vous Ай бұрын
Looking at the titles of your videos... Instant sub... I hope I watch all of them.
@likesmusic11
@likesmusic11 24 күн бұрын
This man is GOOD! I learned quite a bit and he has a new follower!!!!
@Manderson0228
@Manderson0228 22 сағат бұрын
There are some great life principles on display in this video... I think if this video had 1000x more views... maybe the world would be a better place.
@tonyjohnson8929
@tonyjohnson8929 Ай бұрын
Thank you. Nice discussion.
@pedrominicz
@pedrominicz 2 ай бұрын
Good to see a new video. Keep it up, you make great content.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@westensanchez9483
@westensanchez9483 10 күн бұрын
This guy made me smarter🙂. Thanks for the video.
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@crazyham Ай бұрын
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@eensio
@eensio 2 ай бұрын
Splendid teaching! The social media gives more and more meanings for many people. It is important that it could be constructive. If we do not care the quality of public discussions, we shall easily fall to use social media only for provocative purposes. The result is sadomasokistic fight in the field of comments. Thank you for your inspiring views!
@kristinmeyer489
@kristinmeyer489 2 ай бұрын
Excellent. Thanks for the content.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@brokensystembrokentrust
@brokensystembrokentrust Ай бұрын
Recently I have become a HUGE fan of LOGIC. Thanks for this video.
@drtyhrmt
@drtyhrmt 29 күн бұрын
Oh, the irony.
@MicahMicahel
@MicahMicahel 7 күн бұрын
we were locked in our houses and fired if we refused an experimental medication that didnt stop people from being contagipus. How can people be so illogical? We still have mandated covid vax at government jobs here It doesnt stop you from being contagious. anyone that fell for yhe tyranny has zero logical capabilities. "ypu cant enter my house because you arent vaxxed" But it never stopped yhe spread!" At least 50% of people have no grasp of a childish level of logic
@Justineyedia
@Justineyedia 2 ай бұрын
Socratic irony is a rhetorical device that involves pretending to be ignorant to expose someone else's ignorance or inconsistency. It's also known as "playing dumb". Socratic irony is a technique used in the Socratic method of teaching. It can be a useful tool for leading characters and readers to correct conclusions.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Ah I have heard this referred to as “The Ignoramus” - it is a great position to take
@Justineyedia
@Justineyedia 2 ай бұрын
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool"
@elisal98800
@elisal98800 2 ай бұрын
Kinda manipulative
@Manker00
@Manker00 2 ай бұрын
An extremely annoying technique, because if the other person is not retarded, they will recognize what you are doing and get upset that you are trying to ridicule the discourse without contributing anything meaningful from your own side. What will come up in many cases in the near future is the question of the meaning of the debate: Is it even worth the time?
@patrickmorris3721
@patrickmorris3721 Ай бұрын
Or it takes a highly knowledgeable person to play the fool
@accusation07
@accusation07 2 ай бұрын
Grear content, always bring new perspective
@HermitGhost
@HermitGhost Ай бұрын
Logic and reason are two different things. Logic is going from one thing to the next likely thing. Reason is discerning the next best thing. Logic is mechanistic, reason is a value judgment faculty. Also, epistemology is key to any productive discussion. Not just "You don't know what you don't know." But "How do you know what you know?"
@user-zu1ix3yq2w
@user-zu1ix3yq2w Ай бұрын
Idgi. But I wasn't allowed to "reason" as a kid. I don't have the contextual understanding of ur definition of reason
@alextomlinson
@alextomlinson Ай бұрын
They sound opposing in the way you described them. Logic being a mechanistic progression of likelihoods, the other being a judgement of value about what outcome is ideal. I know they’re not exactly opposing, they’re just different tools. But for some reason my logic brain wants to oppose the “next best outcome” because it’s telling me that logic prevails over a value judgement. With that being said my reasoning brain is telling me that they should not be pitted against eachother. Have I gone insane? 😂
@johnswoodgadgets9819
@johnswoodgadgets9819 Ай бұрын
"The heavily armed man grabbed the child in the back seat by the scruff of the neck, shoved her into the floorboard, and leaped on top of her." (factual) "When the shooting started, the bodyguard immediately shoved his employer's young daughter into the back seat floorboard of the car and protected her body from the flying bullets with his own." (factual, but with perspective) Logic cannot differentiate between the two statements of fact. Only reason can. Miss one relevant element when applying logic, and the entire logical premise fails. If anyone doubts this, try writing a few computer programs in direct machine language. That is the trap in mistaking logic for thought.
@armansingh5300
@armansingh5300 2 ай бұрын
Dude how tf you're not the biggest channel in KZbin? Please never stop making videos you're videos are actually better than 90 percent of the channels in KZbin. Dont know you just seems trustworthy.
@slonsky2363
@slonsky2363 2 ай бұрын
Because majority of ppl are dumb as fuck and won’t get trough an intro of this video.
@damnnamealreadytaken2052
@damnnamealreadytaken2052 2 ай бұрын
Most ppl Just like futile.
@mut8inG
@mut8inG Ай бұрын
Thank you🌸
@andreaskyriakidis670
@andreaskyriakidis670 13 күн бұрын
Am Greek, you all right, thank you as a Greek on memory of my ancestors Socrates. Ευχαριστώ ( That mean thank you.)
@rexemondaforever2283
@rexemondaforever2283 Ай бұрын
This is a great video I wish more people watched and learned from, it is so annoying when you debate with someone who you only later realize would never change position under any circumstances
@dvldgz6306
@dvldgz6306 Ай бұрын
I'm subbed now. This is a good channel.
@quinn2014
@quinn2014 2 ай бұрын
The king has returned 🎉
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Haha! That is very kind
@rattlesnaketv
@rattlesnaketv Ай бұрын
Your channel is awesome.
@Bananahairboi
@Bananahairboi 2 ай бұрын
This post proves that you don't even need to know Socrates's rules for debating/arguing. BECAUSE EVERY SENTENCE SOUNDS SO CONVINCING WITH YOUR CHARISMATIC BODY LANGUAGE AND DEEP TONE EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH IT.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Haha! Thank you! That is very kind of you to say! Though slightly terrifying as I make the most mistakes out of anyone I know
@Bananahairboi
@Bananahairboi 2 ай бұрын
:D therefore you make the most progress than anyone you know @@unsolicitedadvice9198
@TheJoshestWhite
@TheJoshestWhite Ай бұрын
There's a quote from a great movie called "Thank you for smoking": " If you argue correctly, you're never wrong."
@justinstumpf4243
@justinstumpf4243 16 күн бұрын
The reason so many people misunderstand so many issues is not that these issues are so complex, but that people do not want a factual or analytical explanation that leaves them emotionally unsatisfied. Thomas Sowell
@juniormint5065
@juniormint5065 5 күн бұрын
I'm glad you went over the necessity of humility. I can see these tools being used by a close minded person who refuses to conceed a point all because their only goal is to win and to not come to a satisfying conclusion
@AnOdinaryReaper
@AnOdinaryReaper Ай бұрын
This actually helps a lot in court that I’ve noticed. People don’t actually understand and only assume. Very dangerous.if you have the option..Ask, learn as mush as you can.
@mmcintire65
@mmcintire65 Ай бұрын
Bravo! As a recent subscriber to your channel, I want to encourage you to keep doing what you are doing. You boldly stand in the vanguard of those of your generation that make philosophy accessible to those who only see philosophy as an unattainable luxury. My own 31 year career teaching philosophy to 18-23 year olds has taught me that every generation finds their own resolution to the challenge of seeking Reality, Truth, Goodness, and Beauty. You continue that tradition brilliantly. I'm still working my way through all your posted videos, but I want to encourage you to do a video explaining your trajectory in philosophy as your life of ideas. Your generation and mine would appreciate that. --- Cordially, Professor Mark McIntire, retired
@TheJoshestWhite
@TheJoshestWhite Ай бұрын
Well said! Hope he sees your comment
@-handala-
@-handala- Ай бұрын
And that’s a subscribe from me. Glad i found your channel. Well done. 👏
@originalsklaus
@originalsklaus 2 ай бұрын
I'll try to condense this. It was truly a non-argument had with wife. I was, simply, telling her we won't be wasting a large amount of money that I had coming, like we had once before. Wasn't wasted as much, as not managed well. Now this second time she agreed but started saying "but... ". She started spending in her head already. In fact, one of the things was something I would highly enjoy, nevertheless, I wasn't going to start spending. It clicked in my mind, we were talking two different things, she, bringing in the emotional aspect, "if you like, wouldn't it be great to...", "don't you like... ", kind of thing. I was talking about the" financial aspects". I realized this but didn't tell her about this epiphany, looked at her and walked away. Not angry. Just walked. Later realized that if I had kept talking, I would have "lost" the debate based now upon talking emotions and not financial facts. It was a very subtle change. There was a time I would have fallen into that change without realizing. Since then, with anyone, not just her, I try to be aware that we're still on THE subject, whatever the subject may be. So, much for being condensed.
@davidjones8043
@davidjones8043 Ай бұрын
I definitely solicited this advice
@petdoiseauR.H.
@petdoiseauR.H. 19 күн бұрын
Thank You
@rlittlefield2691
@rlittlefield2691 19 күн бұрын
You are a smart young man. Very good.
@arshia389
@arshia389 2 ай бұрын
I really love your vids specially those that hit the delicate questions in my mind during reading novels and articles. I'd like to see your review on zapffe's pessimistic prospective.
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Ah thank you! And I would need to check it out first. Edit: I’ve looked and his main work seems to be untranslated (and I sadly cannot speak Norwegian) - I’ll check out his translated stuff though
@arshia389
@arshia389 2 ай бұрын
, unfortunately, it's true. You can check Thomas Ligotti's conspiracy against the human race. He mainly wrote about Zapffe's article: the last messiah and his sentiment and ideas. He adds this article to his book. I hope it will help you out.
@arshia389
@arshia389 2 ай бұрын
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 , unfortunately, it's true. You can check Thomas Ligotti's conspiracy against the human race. He mainly wrote about Zapffe's article: the last messiah and his sentiment and ideas. He adds this article to his book. I hope it will help you
@OshaunWayve
@OshaunWayve 2 ай бұрын
i love this channel so damn much
@unsolicitedadvice9198
@unsolicitedadvice9198 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate it!
@NishkamTheGeneral
@NishkamTheGeneral Ай бұрын
This is totally on point. The difficulty is finding someone willing to change their mind 😅
@hamidrezaazizijavan3762
@hamidrezaazizijavan3762 23 күн бұрын
Thank you. I mean really thank you.
@keykosantana5172
@keykosantana5172 2 ай бұрын
This makes me think the intense arguments with myself are both insane and beneficial. It allows me to question my beliefs, where they come from, identify holes in my beliefs, and causes people and myself to question my sanity. However, I’d like to find ways to identify what would change my mind so I can demonstrate my willingness to have my belief changed.
@iamjustaguy9777
@iamjustaguy9777 24 күн бұрын
thank you
@scottanos9981
@scottanos9981 Ай бұрын
3:40...the important thing in modern argument is to make onlookers see the opposition's viewpoint as "cringe". In that way, you win the argument
@Mmjk_12
@Mmjk_12 2 ай бұрын
“People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."
@ltrigga219
@ltrigga219 Ай бұрын
Wow, I love the term “epistemic humility”
@whiteboywednesday1265
@whiteboywednesday1265 2 ай бұрын
Wish I'd seen this before losing an argument earlier today lmao nice video though gotta love ancient philosophy and how it still applies to this day
@marufislam8124
@marufislam8124 Ай бұрын
Bro you are dumping some pretty good shit here!!
@EvansL
@EvansL 2 ай бұрын
Great video
@chillah7795
@chillah7795 13 сағат бұрын
What definitions are we using for the key terms in our discussion?” - “Under what circumstances would we change out mind?" - “I’m not sure I completely understand your position.” - “What do you mean by that?” - “What is the reasoning behind that belief?” - Ask yourself "“What information may I be missing living the life that this person has lived?”' - “Under What conditions would you change your mind?” - If what you say is true, then what would be a consequence of it? Positive and negative?” - Questioning questions - Critical thinking
@jj4791
@jj4791 Ай бұрын
Sub. Great content. (In the clearest most accurate definition of the term).
@deathreaper-rf6xz
@deathreaper-rf6xz 2 ай бұрын
Im currently going through hell right now dude so you're video just helped me out to not focus on the pain and watch the video....and i love it ..i love you dude I really hope after this video i can sleep tonight without too much pain ...or ill have to remain awake once more 😢
@armandoisraelperez3138
@armandoisraelperez3138 Ай бұрын
What an impecable reference "if my grandmother had weels" well implemented.
@user-xb5ql2cc4q
@user-xb5ql2cc4q Ай бұрын
vey good i needed this before i was about to go into a debate vs justin tredau really helped
@pearldiver78
@pearldiver78 2 ай бұрын
This is really good. Great skills to develop. I wonder if you would consider slowing down the pace of delivery though, as it gives more time to process the information. I appreciate there is a lot to cover though.
@peterjaimez1619
@peterjaimez1619 2 ай бұрын
Very, very good 😀 you extended the time on screen of your written commentaries. You took a look at Plato's ideas (not Socrates), Epicurus said that defining your terms is a must, and you put a dash of Popper 👍 So you are an optimist, try to keep at a distance most of what you read 🖐.Try to look into the classic Roman solutions on almost every human interaction on Roman Law. The theory of the "obligations" "obligaciones" (obligatio est juris vinculus...) term not much used in the Anglo-sphere.Cheers
@genes1_
@genes1_ 2 ай бұрын
awesome content
@davidfescoto3981
@davidfescoto3981 2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@madMARTYNmarsh1981
@madMARTYNmarsh1981 27 күн бұрын
I have attempted to use methods similar to this online. Having encountered far too many people who use 'I feel' instead of 'I think' online, I no longer bother trying to have a conversation with someone who bases their opinion on their feelings. I can try to put myself in a persons position if they have reached their position through thought, but I can not do the same if they reach their position through feelings; I can't feel what they feel. There are too many variables with feelings. Trying to argue against feelings rarely goes well. The person tends to greater levels of feelings and more powerful emotions, leading to a deeper level of mental resistance. I suppose I am quite lucky because I have high functioning Aspergers; I have few feelings (I feel love and anger, but they are muted emotions for me) to 'get stuck in' so reason and logic tend to be my only way of approaching life.
@kshitijpal6048
@kshitijpal6048 24 күн бұрын
Exceptional
@jeronimoyanez9165
@jeronimoyanez9165 2 ай бұрын
Yesterday my cousin told me that i use a lot of mayeutics in the way i speak, didnt notice it until he said so and i looked it up on google, i just thought of it as "analytical thinking or aproach" or some bs. This clarifies a lot of things, what a timing
@edwardalves9447
@edwardalves9447 2 ай бұрын
This is so useful
@Pseudify
@Pseudify Ай бұрын
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that” - John Stuart Mill. Get to know your opponent’s position intimately and in the process your opponent may talk themselves out of their own.
@Dwayn393
@Dwayn393 Ай бұрын
This, is supremely sensational to the mind and thought processis. 😮
@user-cl3kq1nc6s
@user-cl3kq1nc6s 2 ай бұрын
I personally enjoy discussions rather than debates because i know about as much as the person that im supossed to debate. So I never find the clash of thoughts to be intimidating more of a look at different perspectives
@FortheLoveofGamingYT
@FortheLoveofGamingYT 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for these videos! I am a philosophy major and this stuff fits into my studies nicely.
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