How to WIN as Hard Support in Low MMR Games | Dota 2 7.30e

[@maxxieboy271]

I've played league since season 3, and HotS for about a year, but dota seems nice and VERY refreshing. You've been an excellent help in introducing me to the extra nuances dota has over its competitors, and for that i thank you!

[@ZQuixotix]

Thanks for watching! Welcome to Dota!

[@deathbystereo5322]

RIP RoC dota!! GG clan man.

[@dvorszkydavid9140]

ZQuixotix: I show you how to win games as the highest MMR players Also ZQuixotix: *blinks in melee range, gets silenced and dies

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

He was simulating an herald pos 5 playing so to show how it is possible to win the game as pos 5 even if you are not smurfing. =)

[@jethrosutter2331]

High mmr players dont make zero mistakes they just plan before they act and sometimes the plan is wrong but still better than just going on without a plan

[@RumorThe1st]

Hei I learned alot from you. I just started playing after quitting league and I would love to see more pos4 videos from you . Keep it up!

[@ZQuixotix]

Thank you! I'm trying to work on my pos 4 so I can make more videos on it!

[@RumorThe1st]

@@ZQuixotix for people like me that are new to the game ur knowledge is enough 👌 would also be nice if you can make some videos time to time with each hero like for example you play spirit breaker as pos4 or lich pos5 and you can show the tricks and some tips to do or what are you looking for when u play the heroes would help alot. Love ur content man

[@DMacDaddy]

@Rumor, welcome!!!

[@motchness]

"im gonna call them low mmr" ***doesnt use arcane ring for a minute***

[@arshsblenderdump6438]

recently got back into dota and you have been really helpful while I do mainly play mid I believe being a good support just makes you a better player and even a better core player too and I believe even if you babysit your low mmr core enough they will get farmed and you have really been a blessing because i have major lane struggles and you have made me understand most of how to be better at it

[@Look4Gavin]

Watching in 2024 as a support main who just came back to dota this month. Tips are still relevant even on 7.37 🤙

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

There it went my lunch game... I had to watch this instead. =) Great stuff as always Z!

[@ZQuixotix]

Thank you!

[@bekabest]

I love your comment about the work trip and how you got a bit rusty. After watching a lot of your videos, I was wondering what you do for a living. You sound like either a consultant, or an engineer.

[@dollybasheer6792]

Please do more of these. Play every hero so we can learn how to play them well too.

[@emmanuelwilliamquinton9152]

So many people from league on your channel. Good job on the conversion !

[@daotran5707]

Dude, just for queuing with lower mmr folks in a party unranked game instead of smurfing. That act alone, mad respect good shit! So many education channels smurf and ruin games and claim its educational. Fuck that.

[@anthonymercuri8885]

Rather than looking at the time, I find it simpler to look at the map and see where the creeps are. I can tell from their position as they're walking up the lane, when to go pull.

[@icata12345]

Btw a question, i notice you always prioritize deny when pulling even if it's double stack, isnt it better to deny but also focus getting few last hits from the pull?

[@ZQuixotix]

It's a little situational, I do try to get last hits when I can. But I typically prioritize lane equilibrium the most when I'm pulling, so I choose denies when I have to

[@balooc2]

this! perfect strat if you're a new players and just wants some free MMR. play shaman or jakiro and just push towers.

[@HadoukenHero]

Yes! Thanks for your hard work man. Love these types of videos, see you having fun in game :D

[@Wardenlw]

Awesome content. Always excited for a new vid.

[@Odd822]

These videos are too good

[@WilliamSutton-xe2ow]

the guides are good, but this is all with a high appreciation of the team. it's not in public

[@domovoi_0]

Thank you! Love and blessings.

[@andrewmaurer9011]

I think I'm at a point where in game 21 minute mark I'd be instantly thinking about spamming team to do roshan after those kills, but I assume no ult and team with little armour reduction they would not be too keen and take a little convincing. What do you reckon RS at 21 mins?

[@ZQuixotix]

I think it could have been an option, but it's going to be really slow without my ult. We would need to go instantly and do a good job balancing the damage tanking. But you can see several people are low, no Chrono or my ult, so I think by the time I could convince my team to do rosh, the timing would have passed already. If sniper just shrapnels, he might pick up a free ult kill and delay us long enough

[@lenurple2945]

Great video man

[@kusog3]

One trick into developing your ability to track time is, by constantly pinging it.

[@neccosan]

Hi, I know this is old, but can you do one with a Soft Support in Low MMR Games?

[@koko1ko1]

Great video, can't watch your streams but this videos are treasures :) So which heroes do you think can carry like SS from pos5?

[@ZQuixotix]

I think it depends what style you are going for. Many things can work, but I personally would try to play heroes that can split push well and threaten towers (Shadow Shaman, Jakiro, Nature's Prophet, Treant Protector) or play heroes that can get kills and scale well (Lina, Windranger, Dark Willow, Snapfire). I'll probably make a video on this topic in the near future when I have time!

[@koko1ko1]

@@ZQuixotix Thx a lot :)

[@Spaltem]

How do you received a Diretide treasure in the end???

[@ZQuixotix]

There's still a random chance to get them I guess. I've gotten several even after the event ended

[@worldshakerd3889]

How do you make it tell you what time to pull at?

[@Speedygi81]

Why aren't you buying any stat items at the start?

[@СимеонСемёнов]

Why instantly block the hard camp? I feel like whenever I do that, my carry will immediately push the crap out of the lane for the first 2 waves leaving me without a way to recover that with a hard camp pull afterwards. I think it's safer to use the sentry on unblocking your small camp and then body block the hard camp if the lane is "normal", or leave it if it's being pushed into the offlaner.

[@hungletuan8302]

I think the idea is to spend more time protecting your carry in laning. If they has vision in the jungle, they will know that you and your carry have bad positioning, then they can either try to kill you or dive the carry. I usually just body block the hard camp in the first 2-3 minutes then spend time to make sure my carry is safe.

[@ZQuixotix]

Hmmm if it always happens in your games, then I might leave it open. I personally find "fixing" the lane with a hard pull tends to still be a bit of a losing scenario in the first few minutes because the enemy just gets the wave and the camp. So I'd rather stack the small camp at 2 minutes. In the mean time, I'll try to deny my own creeps and stay in the lane. However, it's definitely something that I can very safely do in my games because carries won't push out the lane too often. It's a bit of a habit, but I think I'd still do it when I'm "smurfing" because I think it's got more positives than downsides

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

@@ZQuixotix Around my herald games, more often than not the carries like to push the f out of the lane and then feed to the offlane as you are trying to pull the small camp. Still I think it is worth to block the big camp by default, have some salves for the carry and pull/stack the small camp as often as possible. If not for anything because a carry that would push the lane as a madman is one that would give up lane xp/gold for jungling, so the blocking has an extra benefit here taking away that option.

[@OsomoMojoFreak]

A solution to be able to do both is getting 2 sentries with starting gold/initial bounty gold.

[@Xydorf]

Very good job. This is not a low rank game, people are too good :-)

[@godofm3tal1]

Bro says "low MMR" then gets a void that actually knows what the fuck he's doing. Christ if my games all worked out like that I'd be divine

[@iddqd6716]

Great content!

[@BennduR]

I notice you barely right-click the enemy at the start of lane? Isn't it worth it to auto attack from outside 550 range, get free 2 autos, and then back out again? You don't affect equilibrium and get to spam right clicks on them. Seems like that should be the play instead of waiting around and trying to deny your creeps? Doesn't axe push the lane against you naturally anyway?

[@ZQuixotix]

I was pretty rusty when I recorded this game, so I could have done better for sure. Looking back on it though, I think it's because Earth Spirit wasn't showing. SS is a slow hero (and I accidentally took Shackle lol), so if I get slowed by Axe and then rolled on by ES, I either die or lose a bunch of health. So staying in a safe position was my top priority. Plus, you'll notice the way the lane played it's not like Void was being harassed too badly, so I didn't need to be up there attacking a bunch

[@cybersteel8]

In the early game, do you always do a stack before a pull? I am trying to learn how to pull and I found that without a stack, the neutral creeps die pretty quickly to the lane creeps, and the lane creeps eventually make it to lane anyway and even end up stacking with the next wave of lane creeps, kinda defeating the purpose of pulling the lane back. So, should I ALWAYS stack before a pull to ensure this doesn't happen, or am I doing the pull incorrectly somehow?

[@ZQuixotix]

I have a series on Pulling that would provide a lot more information about this question (In particular, Pulling 101 and Pulling 201 I think). But to answer it quickly here, it all depends on your goal and creep equilibrium. If you want to pull without stacking, try learning how to do a half pull. It works with all camps except for the Kobolds. This allows you to pull without stacking first, and your pull does not screw up equilibrium (assuming the 2 lane creeps die at the small camp which they should against all but Kobolds unless you or the enemy does some extra damage). I'm a big fan of half pulling at 1:17 and then stacking at 1:53 as a general plan for any MMR below Immortal. There are a lot more nuances to when you want to pull though. There are cases where it's fine to push the lane, in which case you could do a single full pull at 1:17, and then another at 2:17. Times where you can only play the lane and might consider stacking first if possible.

[@Dzeko_87]

im crusader player that still dont know hwo to swtich an active ward, whether it is a sentry or observer ward. If i have 3 sentries and 1 observer, and i need to place observer, i still put those 3 sentries randomly to get a chance to out my obs lol

[@ZQuixotix]

Try double clicking your wards! Alt+hotkey might also work depending on your settings

[@Dzeko_87]

@@ZQuixotix thanks

[@sam5979]

natural creeps killed axe at 16:06 lol

[@peterjordansonthe2nd731]

Looks like Heraldry all around

[@themind1401]

Very good video 👍👍

[@mhohrath1]

Do you twitch?

[@moonjellying697]

Yup, his channel is twitch.tv/zquixotix His channel is also in description box if you want direct link. Writing this in mobile, not sure if link is coming through

[@del10artem]

Chad Zquihotix plays support unranked party with his friend

[@Ybereza69]

If your teammates are completely braindead you cant

[@keithnicholas]

22:13 minimap..... lol :)

[@haru_fome]

😼

[@DerGhettokeks]

obs. no smurfing in this video . this guy is bad af

[@Learnfromtheworst.-gr3zi]

?!

[@Nthing9]

Alex as mid? Hope he doing great in the game

[@AlexanderCoccia]

Alex is a feeding noob

[@Nthing9]

No sir u are playing good in this match

[@martis953]

by lvl 3 just get shakles lvl 2 ez game

[@zacharyhockett6248]

You're team literally refuses to take objectives lol

[@icata12345]

maybe get a lower mmr account, for educational smurf as pos 5~4, i don't think people will care

[@ZQuixotix]

I know there's some value in those kind of videos, but I personally don't really want to smurf for it. I'll try to do vids like this or to make some private lobbies and find 9 volunteers. I think for smurfing, there's some stuff that you simply can't replicate as a low MMR player. The concepts that I think players can learn, I feel like I can try to teach them without smurfing

[@stoic2608]

Divine NA = Crusader EU so 6k NA = 3k EU xD

[@Hunwulf76]

Lol , playing as immortal with a herold and claiming how to win as Hard supp in low MMR games. What a clickbait. Even worse then smurfing itself.