How To Win Poker Tournaments

Today I'm joined by Nick Petrangelo, the lead instructor for our latest course at Upswing Poker: Winning Poker Tournaments. In this video, we're reviewing some key hands from his recent MTT victory in a $2,000 buy-in WCOOP event.
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Subscribe for more wsop vlog, news, comedy, and hand breakdowns. Poker Hands is the show where Doug analyzes live poker hands from tv poker shows such as Poker After Dark, EPT (European Poker Tour), High Stakes Poker, the World Series of Poker (WSOP), the Aussie Millions, WPT (World Poker Tour) the Big One For One Drop, and the PCA (Pokerstars Carribean Adventure). He especially enjoys reviewing hands by popular high stakes pros like Viktor "Isildur" Blom, Fedor Holz, Dan Cates (Jungleman), Tom "Durrrr" Dwan, Phil Hellmuth, Phil Ivey, and Daniel Negreanu.

[@DougPolkPoker]

Winning Poker Tournaments is available now. Order today and you'll also get ICM Unmasked ($299) for FREE. - upswingpoker.com/winning-poker-tournaments-with-nick-petrangelo/

[@akadjgio5941]

Awesome thumbnail Doug. Whoever did it is not only good at Photoshop, but hilarious too. Reminds me a little but of Jamie Golds stack in the WSOP

[@Gelenkbusfahrer]

Including me, this course is probably way above the head of 90%+ of all viewers here.

[@kennykenaz8340]

I discovered a useful collection of videos that should help you at card crusher fixer

[@McPVP69247]

Props to doug for not just releasing a tournament course made by him and fees, he acknowledges that there are better players and wants the best product

[@starcityoldy]

😂

[@imalwaysbluffing]

Yea people talk shit because fees and Polk don’t make content for the site anymore but they’ve brought amazing talent to the team

[@acorse1]

I'm so broke i eat my cereal with a fork to save the milk.

[@enriquezacur7252]

Nice one dude.

[@jakecoady6940]

Lol

[@tylercobb8293]

Lol

[@cristianmicu]

i wonder ow much milk he saved, its been a year since he posted

[@rossl5908]

I’m so broke I eat my cereal with my hands because I can’t afford cutlery

[@elvis316]

Short answer: know when to hold them, know when to fold them.

[@polychenko8717]

How much did they charge you to learn that?

[@RepaKTANET]

Know when to run away

[@lobsterworldwide]

“A 2k.” For me this is 2k guaranteed. For them it’s the buy in

[@mmn056]

for me it is a one piece of toilet paper

[@lifehackcards2266]

It feels like we are getting more content post Doug Polk retirement. This rocks.

[@keilanknight8513]

Those that can do do, those that can't teach.

[@DougPolkPoker]

And those who cant do or teach, get sponsored by Stars

[@keilanknight8513]

Not in my case, they banned me for life for losing too much.

[@agentzero4281]

LOL

[@joythug37]

'It's all about the benjamins baby !'

[@tjebbedonckers]

An hour of strategic content? Christmas came early.

[@DavidMartins2]

OMG guys really high-level stuff. I could watch this the whole day. Cheers. I won't be a nit anymore :D

[@EverDayBest]

Rome wasn't built in a day nit

[@DavidMartins2]

For sure pal. I was kind of joking. I'm already a winning player with 120k of profit playing since 2013. But for sure I find myself being a nit and chicken out in some spots. And this vid is gold with this 2 beast.

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

Hi, I am about to begin playing low stakes online. Can I get your advice on a few things via this thread or email? What sites do you play on or recommend for NLHE cash games? Tourneys? Best Rake back? Easiest player field? Do you use HUD? PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager? Why that one? Thanks 😀.

[@mydogsbestfren7490]

haha that was an awesome end to the 20 + minutes on KJ. " he called with QJ.. " you guys really put in an amazing amount effort, mad props, happy pups

[@psychicbink4492]

LOOOOOL

[@jefffawcett]

I hope people realize that had to be a joke response

[@Chiefton]

Did he call with QJ? I saw in the video that he folded to the pot size bet...or was that a mistake in the video?

[@mosuliraq8387]

first hand: the strategy of playing recklessly on the money bubble. Thanks Dough. I will try that. good luck to me.

[@goodegg8757]

Thanks so much for putting this out guys, it is really amazing. Hope the new course sells well Doug & Nick. Massive respect to you both :)

[@InnocentFormalities]

I finally now know how to win poker tournaments. Wait no no I don’t.

[@nitthegrit7544]

Excellent strategy video. Never disappointed with Petrangelo's range analysis. The guy is a freakin' wizard.

[@luizperezdacosta1726]

Make more content like this. It's awesome! Nick is a great player have a lot of respect for him.

[@YouFold2Me]

Whatsup guys, Pug Dolk here

[@straight_flizzy]

Wow, I can finally understand what they are talking about. This shit used to sound like Chinese to me.

[@michaelthomas1614]

THIS right here is Gold and exactly the content we need. I am going to become a professional poker player and this content is tremendously speeding up the process, thanks!

[@matthale5388]

interesting video - i like how the student is close in skill to the teacher it creates a nice conversation

[@straight_flizzy]

I can’t wait till of this becomes second nature. Even the little I have learned feels so damn good when I get to implement it and it works. Especially when you feel like your opponent isn’t on your level of knowledge.

[@jf5618]

PS...all knowledge is dependent upon the other person/players knowledge and perspective. By far the most important aspect of any form of communication is understanding the person to whom is being communicated to. Without that same level of thinking, doesn’t matter.

[@imalwaysbluffing]

Wouldn’t gto strat argue that what your opponent does is irrelevant unless they are playing GTO also?

[@happywednesday6741]

@@imalwaysbluffing Exploit would rely on it, GTO is pure odds play regardless of who/what you are playing

[@imalwaysbluffing]

@@happywednesday6741 I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding how GTO works though. What does a "pure odds" play mean? because pure odds plays change drastically between different players. When you go into a solver you have the ability to nod lock which changes the inputs for your opponents. this in effect is how GTO players develop exploitative plays. people online seems to make an erroneous distinction between GTO and developing exploits that doesn't actually exist.

[@WallProduction5]

Doug “makes sense” Polk

[@AlwaysBeWater]

Must be nice to have a photographic memory.

[@ScottHedley]

51:43 Wow, this course sounds incredible. I'll definitely be purchasing it sometime within the next several months

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

Hi, I am Canadian about to begin playing low stakes online. Can I get your advice on a few things via this thread or email? What sites do you play on or recommend for NLHE cash games? Tourneys? Best Rake back? Easiest player field? Do you use HUD? PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager? Why that one? Thanks 😀.

[@tolkien11]

Holy shit bruh! This guy, who looks like Dan Bilzerian, is a machine. How can he be this precised? I am just speechless.

[@kkieki]

Hey Doug i have a questio, it seems like Nick is saying that he calls hands like AA and KK and don't jam them preflop to protect his calling range (for instance in the KJs hand and the AQo hand), is that accurate? Doest it make sense not to jam those hands along with some bluffs? Seems like a miss of EV to me but i'm really curious about this.

[@seago101]

Hes saying in this position, utg vs utg 1. Once youre in position facing a 4bet at this stack deoth he says theres no need to 4bet. This is probably bc 4bet bluffing here is pretty suicidal, so then you shouldnt just shove your value

[@TheLandOfTears]

Don't forget to mention to your viewers that you also have to run good, can't win unless you run good no matter how good you are.

[@shazk2146]

Free content is great Doug , 100% you will get more people subscribing to your courses because of this 👍

[@ChinchillaisGod]

We need a beer chugging contest uploaded. Please and thank you.

[@liamgannon2345]

ChinchillaIsGod ONE CHUG DOUG ONE CHUG DOUG ONE CHUG DOUG ONE CHUG DOUG

[@joshuapatrick682]

Going back for day 2 of my latest live MTT tomorrow, if I take it down I will gladly invest in the course. If not probably won’t be able to afford it!

[@samyazzam4517]

petrangelo is a wizard @ both poker and communication.

[@isntit8107]

on min 40.00 with AQ he's bluffing right? question is , what he want to make into fold from better hand?

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

Know the hands of poker and get lucky. If you bluff to represent a strong hand on the river bet but the opponent doesn’t care about the possibility of you having a strong hand, then you lose either way. It’s just… fuck.

[@kiddplay465]

blessed as this is i was always taught you should make a move with a general strategy in mind, nick sounds a lot more instinctive and less math than most..

[@petercross2824]

any merit in 85-90% ing pot on river in first hand? Ranges seem more so inelastic with his holdings that we expect folds and it leaves us with a 10 ish bb stack when we do get called and we don't really have to worry about being bluffed obviously?

[@luispzn9899]

First spot chip leader was joao simao ( Needmassari). Is a great player. One of my faves. He's a shark.

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

Hi, I am Canadian about to begin playing low stakes online. Can I get your advice on a few things via this thread or email? What sites do you play on or recommend for NLHE cash games? Tourneys? Best Rake back? Easiest player field? Do you use HUD? PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager? Why that one? Thanks 😀.

[@lucidAMBROSiA]

glued. thx doug and nick!!

[@fswatyahoocom]

nice channel. i never got answers about how you bloggers make a living. by winning or by youtube ads?

[@RichL57]

Doug i bought 6 months of membership to upswing. Are the corses free with membership or do you have to make another purchase for certain course ? Just got the membership havnt really went thru it to good yet

[@ivarbovarsson3440]

Q7s not better call then Q10s at river? We block more value compos on flop right? have more 7x then 10x on flop that we raise flop with, 7x blocks more combos of sets and two pairs.

[@ivarbovarsson3440]

so how is our chekk raise range like and what is our calling range at river in darwin´s spot?

[@knoxvegas1997]

I wonder how many times I will have to watch this to get a grasp on the lingo

[@favor4afavor823]

😁😆🤣 that's what I was thinking. I'll stay at the kiddie table.

[@Rocks_a_Rolex]

DP...i really have to give you huge props bro for keeping a str8 face while NP rambles thru his lol postflop "analysis" in the KJs hand...i guess it's worth it for you even if u only sell 3 courses?

[@Jealod24]

Quite the intro 😊

[@geodrupi94]

I havent even seen the video and I can tell you this is gold and for free? Thanks Doug

[@DougPolkPoker]

No problem man, enjoy

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

@@DougPolkPoker Your depth and generosity are immense. Thank you for expanding and deepening my understanding of NLHE so much. I SUBSCRIBED to your new channel.

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

Hi, I am Canadian about to begin playing low stakes online. Can I get your advice on a few things via this thread or email? What sites do you play on or recommend for NLHE cash games? Tourneys? Best Rake back? Easiest player field? Do you use HUD? PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager? Why that one? Thanks 😀.

[@jamesoriah]

Guys you win tournaments by buying the course. Well played Polk

[@ericstollery1]

I get that, in the first hand discussed, bluffing full pot vs a weak river range is the most effective way of getting a fold. But for the sake of balance, since we're repping a hand like Tx or JJ here, how could we expect to get a call with those hands vs A-high? Whenever I hero call, it's because villain's massive sizing doesn't make sense vs the weak hand that he purportedly wants to get value from.

[@juusokoskela7075]

Brad Stollery didn’t listen to audio, but surely we are repping a stronger hand than Tx here, QQ-AA and small freq of TT 88 preflop makes sense

[@ericstollery1]

Can't have QQ-AA, we just flatted IP pre. But again it doesn't matter what we can have, what matters is that villain is capped so we shouldn't expect him to be able to call a big river bet (therefore it's suspicious if we bet large, because what can we get value from?).

[@erikkoch1923]

We can definitely have some traps pre. And also the reasons you listed make jamming for thin value pretty attractive. Important thing is we’re balanced and make his decision with the middle and lower parts of his range a total nightmare.

[@juusokoskela7075]

This hand was UTG vs UTG+1 in a bubble between 2 big stacks. For sure there is no 5bet shove range here (at least in theory) as villain is already repping KK+. Guess villain should find some calls from his 4bet bluff range that has a pair (eg. AT) and check some AA/KK also that he can call down with. However as the ranges get this narrow it's really hard to say whats the best action. Villain should have an ultra small frequency of practically every hand he opens to balance out like 12 value combos

[@Skitaddahee]

I’d be curious to see how often these 1/4, 1/5th type bets actually work. They seem kind of odd to me when your opponent sometimes needs only 20% to continue. What are we trying to accomplish with them? I found this video very confusing.

[@erikseidler793]

I'm thinking if people see them enough you can do them with the nuts and induce a raise.

[@donh3590]

1. spot the table god 2. wait 3. wait 4. shove vs the god 5. if still playing...wait. 6. shove on the short stacks. 7. repeat until out or heads up 8. heads up against god? 9. shove and get lucky or be happy with some $

[@TheFatCarpBaitCo]

Dnegs masterclass running adverts on Doug's channel. Feels kinda weird

[@liamgannon2345]

SpookzNGlory they are secretly sleeping with each other behind the scenes

[@Russian5]

More adverts are actually a good thing.

[@superjenspeter]

ahh....sick vid guys. Where can i sign up for this???

[@hemp7599]

Negreanu is paying to advertise to your viewers now? I haven't watched in a couple months but I never thought it would come to this! Oh the comedic relief

[@joebergeson8343]

Wondering what percent of the course fee goes to Nick and what percent to Doug/Upswing. Would it be 50/50?

[@tiagofilipe6592]

25-30/75-70 is my guess since Doug and upswing bring alot of marketing and value to the product.

[@jerrygarcia4390]

Doug and Nick; thank you for this contribution. It was really interesting content.

[@imalwaysbluffing]

I remember the first time I heard this I realized I was a massive fish despite being a winning 50nl and $22 buy ins mtt player

[@McPVP69247]

Wouldn’t be surprised if nick is top ten mtt player global

[@arjunnair7443]

What does ICM stand for?

[@chriskrikorian2375]

What's the T I never seen T card

[@Chulkov89]

Ten

[@freedom2010usus]

Hey Doug , that's the largest investment for me on the poker training content, I wish and I really believe it will help my game a lot.

[@DougPolkPoker]

It will absolutely help you, best of luck man

[@ginrummy3996]

I remember losing a coinflip against caecilius 3way action left out thousands of players I guess you also need luck but mad props man I guess you're crushing it!

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

Hi, I am Canadian about to begin playing low stakes online. Can I get your advice on a few things via this thread or email? What sites do you play on or recommend for NLHE cash games? Tourneys? Best Rake back? Easiest player field? Do you use HUD? PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager? Why that one? Thanks 😀.

[@ginrummy3996]

@@lightonstillwaters6789 Sorry fellow I don't play much these days, good times were 10-15 years ago + imo I would say to play what you think you would like to improve in time. I was coaching for free low stakes players couple years ago even some got into international circuit but I don't do it anymore, Best of luck sir.

[@JAktorFIFA]

Still cant afford a mic.

[@jsea8987]

He's not a steamer. He's a crusher. Probably crushed the mic in fact.

[@markedwards4787]

So petty. Comments like this are killing youtubers.

[@JO1E1]

Better content than 90% of these youtubers

[@alexreyes7599]

Doug, if you covered the whole cards, I think range explanations would be easier to grasp.

[@DR.64A9]

Makes sense. - Doug Polk

[@psychofruit]

Damn, Mikita went from 90k to 535k, sick run

[@danielg5127]

What a call from Darwin!

[@ThePdog3k]

What is on the left screen?

[@thecake03]

This is super in depth just 2 min in.

[@MiamiConfusion]

Cool doug miss u in nickelodeon

[@Russian5]

Thanks Vanessa.

[@ontherun8249]

Nice vlog Douglas

[@takiownspoker7771]

Summary: Play pots in position and capitalize on weakness post flop. Why complicate things? This is a pure position exploitative play. And this is why you 3 bet shove or 4 bet shove out of position pre against elite players like Nick. Otherwise, you will be abused like an escort girl. As for the last hand, yes it is good to flat the BB with T7o and flop top two on a dry board, go for a check raise, bet and bet, and somehow get stationed by C.Darwin to the moon with Q7. AKA, how to win poker tournaments lolz.

[@Da1337DoOD]

You know, you are free to make your own poker coaching site, explaining the ultra mega advanced strategy that you use... and charge however much you want.

[@TheLandOfTears]

Yea early in the game that's a good strategy, what do you do mid-game when everyone is going all in even with hands like 9,10 suited. That's where I always get busted out, I can outplay opponents, but I can't luck out on them.

[@realCarlosMazda]

"Why complicate things? This is a pure position exploitative play" ~ Nope, incorrect mate. You're logic is hella flawed here. Pure position exploitive play is an oxymoron & some word salad, a reflection of your 'keep it simple' approach me thinks

[@ChannelJoeE]

Takiowns Poker Clearly, you know nothing about escort girls. Well, I guess it depends on the price... But, escort girls are not abused. Not in the slightest. They are treated to nice dinners, get to spa in a fancy hotel rooms and lovingly caressed and loved by discerning gentlemen with to much money and not enough love for their wives. Those who do (figuratively speaking) 3 or 4-bet shove an escort girl will more than likely get absolutely gang bashed by a bunch of men who will turn up at your door the next day. Plus, if you're going to 3 or 4-bet shove against elite players, you're at least hoping for at least AK or AQs. Ideally, you'd want AA, KK. QQ is debatable. Elite players can raise with all sorts of junks, but they don't always have junks. It'll be highly unadvisable to 3 or 4-bet shove with any speculative hands, because someone could have easily flatted Nick's raise with AA or KKs. You gotta worry about other players on the table as well. In online freeroll, people 3 or 4-bet shove with K4o, J6o, heck, 64o all the time. And win a great number of times. But, in live settings (and where actual money/tournament life is concerned), people are a bit more discerning. Shoving 20 to 30BBs will get people to fold most of the times. But, really, are you willing to risk your entire stack on a coin flip, 40/60, 45/55? Or even run the risk of losing 1 out of 5 times with AAs?

[@takiownspoker7771]

​@@realCarlosMazda you're or your? Highschool is recommended.

[@pearcey1113]

I have never seen someone play KJ so bad

[@Beanmachine91]

common sense, heuristics, and logic always wins! knowledge is power. always present a logical case when bluffing

[@rogerdickens6218]

That player named "caecilius" in the first hand was a HUGE FISH. Like if you agree!

[@burnzygg]

Hi Doug!

[@wholesumnutrition2204]

what a mind...cheers lads

[@SJtoobsox]

Imagine a table full of wizards like this... no chance!

[@ziggy2340]

Just been in a pot went all in pre under the gun. Hijacked called with j9 off. Me, AA. LOST!.. how do you counteract with this?.

[@uninformedluddite]

Lose with quads three times in a row and you will truly know despair (October 2016)

[@angerisdiscipline3913]

for the first hand I think the hand doesnt make any sense I terms of ranges, he litterally has 0 value combos exept some combos of Kk and AA that chose To slowplay preflop

[@psychicbink4492]

38min in: "What fucking suit am I missing? Jesus christ"

[@Gos1234567]

Why doesnt he want to bet 9Ts on the J86 flop?In case the guy then jams all in?Cant you say this for any kind of middle texture flop?Seems a bit scared of monsters type of scenario

[@liamgannon2345]

Nick has a great beard

[@dancyr9427]

you would be surprised that a gf can make you slow down in your poker career

[@derekpeluso7554]

Wow Nick has a shirt on today!

[@ryangi5]

Would anyone else have just folded the KJs preflop the first time you could act in that position?

[@gogonoise]

I think I'll need 1 year to understard what the fuck are you talking about in this video. Sweet.

[@harjitkaur7444]

I THINK EQUITY VS RANGE WOULD LIKE 👍 🤔 👌

[@lobsterworldwide]

I love this content, but it sucks that other people are learning and getting better too :(

[@hihiihihihi8408]

Work harder than others and u will be ahead of curve

[@lobsterworldwide]

@@hihiihihihi8408 still sucks though :p

[@victorortiz1558]

He's working on his game, he's not retired lol. Once you come up so much, you kinda just have to enjoy it you know?

[@brianwoodbury1872]

My range is wide on the button even against 10 BB in big blind...my range is condensed on the button against 10 BB. I have K5s, 56s and 45s here. I have 12% of hands. Wait, WUT?

[@xSwitchB1ade]

He probably just has a large raise range and got confused about his call range.

[@hactnsa5784]

I caught that too ha. Also choosing hands in which he doesn’t play his said strategy

[@mikecantreed]

KJ example hand seems like he's justifying a spew that worked out

[@maximo6037]

I felt the same. Seems completely unnecessary to take a stand in that position period. I dont think you're losing any value by just folding it preflop.

[@kaidesu5251]

50:04 his name suggests it, he deserves a Darwin award, worthy supporter to natural selection.

[@thomassavage3576]

C Darwin2 is one of the best in the world doug..

[@imalwaysbluffing]

You think he doesn’t know who cdarwin is lol you can be a great player and still make bad decisions

[@dirkraider2755]

this is why i would just fold the kj suited in this postion...

[@uga-uga1427]

This guy plays KJ like the Fish did 12 years ago.

[@MacBaza]

"shove the river to get Ace highs to fold." Gets called by Q high.

[@rickyrockett]

@@MacBaza He was joking

[@hihiihihihi8408]

U have to check this line up first when u make statement like this.. all these guys super good and their ranges are much different than big 2,20 players.. this kj play isnt bad at their level but it might be in low stake games

[@barrycole7081]

I agree completly. Cold calling a 4 bet from an utg raiser with KJs and then cold calling the cbet is as fishy as it gets!!! This play is not plus EV, I dont care what anybody says.

[@harjitkaur7444]

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[@harjitkaur7444]

CLUB TYPE SUT KAR ROOMS MAY ENJOYED OUT JARTI GAI RESON ABLECOMBO HOTAS

[@meps8965]

check his online graph, realize why he plays live now, save yourself the money

[@ChannelJoeE]

Is there even a point to this post? It is well known that online and live poker are very different beasts. Chris Moorman, who absolutely crushed online tournaments has not had as much impact live. Conversely, Justin Bonomo hasn't had any impact in online poker. Poker is all about finding your edge. If Nick Petrangelo felt that he was better suited to live, why bother wasting time and money trying to prove himself online?

[@jbaru1211]

I checked his live earnings. Says multi millions. Wanna compare his earnings to yours?

[@ChannelJoeE]

@@jbaru1211 I have over a billion in online earnings...on Pokerstars Play Money!!! :D

[@DavidMaskrey]

@@ChannelJoeE LOL what? You know Justin Bonomo is ZeeJustin right. He's crushed online

[@ChannelJoeE]

@@DavidMaskrey For sure he did. I was comparing their comparative achievements. Chris Moorman has won some huge live tournaments and raked in over $5 million in live earnings. But, compared to his online achievements in the period of time he did is nothing short of remarkable. Maybe, Bonomo could've ended up being one of the online legends that will live throughout online poker history had he not been banned from Party Poker and Pokerstars. But, I think people will remember him more for his live achievements than his online ones, the former being simply incredible.

[@Rich_Newell_]

Remember when you used to fuck up his name on purpose and call him Nick PetranJello?

[@user-ob1sb1wf5p]

Thats a lot of words to justify all in k high

[@straight_flizzy]

“Imagine if there was a game where you could get paid a whole lot of money for your wits, your wrk ethic, your instincts, and your knowledge?!”

[@lightonstillwaters6789]

Hi, I am Canadian about to begin playing low stakes online. Can I get your advice on a few things via this thread or email? What sites do you play on or recommend for NLHE cash games? Tourneys? Best Rake back? Easiest player field? Do you use HUD? PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager? Why that one? Thanks 😀.

[@straight_flizzy]

LightOn Stillwaters - Hey what’s up! Glad to hear you’re playing! Since you are in Canada, I would recommend playing in the big sites, Party Poker and PokerStars. I certainly use a HUD if allowed. I like Hold Em Manager 3. Just really easy to use and very efficient. I okay both cash and tourneys, I would suggest choosing 1 first. If you want to minimize variance, your best bet is cash-games. Full ring is probably easier but 6-max is where most people play. I also suggest subscribing to a training site. Upswing is one of the best ones, I use Jonathan Littles pokercoaching.com via Evan Jarvis @Gripsed.

[@straight_flizzy]

LightOn Stillwaters - wish you success with your journey.

[@joythug37]

It.s funny how Doug sais he retires but still can focus on the strategy and stuff for so long.....c'mon Doug , grow up , sooner or later u start playing again , we know u never surender ! 👍