How to win Tournaments with Deathwatch: Breakdown (and Genestealer Cult and Adepta Sororitas meta)

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Thank you for saying the words "I'm" [REDACTED] "Saying Centurions are good, Paul". You're finally coming to understand things properly. Centurions are good and I'll continue to bring infinite amounts of them.

[@kargrym]

As a longtime Deathwatch player, I watched all his games. There were 17 Deathwatch armies at LVO. All were similar lists. 4 had a winning record and the second highest placed 115th. I credit the pilot for masterful play and a few outstanding lucky moments. He is a longtime faction specialist who knew exactly what to do and when to do it.

[@CastironWhisky]

I really like the new DW index but I'm having a heck of a time trying to list build between full on shooting or full on melee or some happy medium... Fantastic video though is helping me figure out what I want a bit more!

[@RagingHorn7795]

They weap strats etc are shooting based, so mainly you need to build into shooting, and have a couple of melee threats, and you also need something for scoring secondaries that's cheap - reavers/DW vets/intercessors/assault intercessors etc as we can't have scouts

[@CalebAdams]

Loved this breakdown!

[@triplea657aaa]

I think Triumph going down to 180-200ish and reverting the per-phase MD on death and we would be fine. MD per death is super important for helping us catch back up if we have a really bad turn vs something like blood angels. Triumph giving an addition 6 felt like cheating, so removing that is totally fine IMO. Points could probably use some adjusting as helverins/warglaives being borderline auto-include feels really bad...

[@magnusjrgensen1575]

My issue with the sisters miracle dice nerf is that the whole damned codex was clearly written around the idea that we were to use our badly rolled miracle dice for abilities like the hospitalars or the palatine or even some stratagems. Now alot of those abilities and the units they are attached to are just outright worse. It feels like a really bad change a knee jerk reaction to how good the codex was on launch.

[@dudemcfurgusson7179]

I think what a lot of people looking at sisters winrates are missing are the colossal drop off in attendance. Our winrates are being propped up by the select few skilled people still playing them, while everyone else dropped the army entirely. If we still had the same number of players as we did before the nerfs, the average winrates would drop to the high 20's if the pre-nerf winrate spread was the same post-nerf.

[@arn1345]

and win rates are still like 40-43 percent. like lmao. I think even Imperial Agents have a higher win-rate now.

[@dudemcfurgusson7179]

@arn1345 imperial agents have had better individual record averages than sisters since the nerfs. Last weekend we didn't have a single 3-0 and were the only faction out of over a thousand players that didn't get one.

[@Toggi1987]

GSC Hoast of Ascension Video, Lets Gooo! :)

[@rex290]

My problem with hollowed maryters is that I keep forgetting the Army rule. Blarg! Nice to see a winning list tho.

[@MasterofMistakes]

Rejoice Brothers!, Our Vigil Stands Strong!, For The Emperor!

[@DisasterLord]

I hope the Fortis team has a chance to shine, it has a lot of potential. I used to believe talon was over costed but in practice it does a lot on it's own. I hope centurions get a redemption arc this edition, I have heard people say that they may get squatted in 11th.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

It isn't looking promising for the Centurions. They were excluded from the rankings upgrades in the SM codex crusade rules and are quite an old kit. About 10 years old

[@jameskurth3560]

​@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuberSaying 10 years is old makes my eldar feel very scared.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

old for Space Marines, practically brand new for aspect warriors!

[@DisasterLord]

​@@jameskurth3560 Eldar models do not need to worry unless they are old enough to vote

[@Kroeghe]

Hm, do they record those games somewhere? It never occured to me to go and watch tournament games, but must say I'm a little bit curious this time.

[@RagingHorn7795]

They've got the LVO top games on twitch, but it's only held for about 28 days I think.

[@nekochen]

Just came back to the game. Why is melta only S9 in 10th 🤔, melta has been reduced to anti- heavy infantry weapon instead of anti-vehicle weapon now?

[@facemite]

There are a bunch of modifiers from detachments or datasheets that add higher strength, lethal hits plus one to wound, or rerolls that make meltas one of the best anti vehicle weapons still.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

in 9th edition tanks died very easily. Reducing the strength of melta to below the toughness of (most) tanks was part of re-balancing vehicles to be survivable

[@nekochen]

What about Sisters? What can they do to improve melta efficiency without running 6" Bringers of Flame?

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

@@nekochen pray for high miracle dice. Or use a Diologus to turn those miracle dice into a 6 - very good for wounding tanks!

[@milcearry]

Do the officials ever check the dice to make sure it's not loaded

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

only if they are called over after some suspicious rolls

[@lukelloyd8976]

I expect lots of people to jump on the winning list (obviously) then realise you also need to have the level of player skill to go 10-0 @ the LVO...and get mauled Watching people's battle reports, albeit not often with such an optimised list; there've been more losses than wins, and I don't recall any stompings So I'm not *certain* there are going to be points changes...but I'll concede it is looking that way, based on this small sample size

[@thesurvivor7853]

Mark said he meant to have a melee grav captain

[@Swarzyc]

The best centurion is the one with Rogal Dorn inside.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

This sentence is heresy.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Sorry, my fear of guard tanks made me miss this was a reference to TTS lmao. This sentence is not heresy and I should sleep more.

[@Minilopo18]

regarding Librarius Conclave have you thought about adding a Inquisitor to a fortis, Vets, termies, spectrus, Indom etc? Inquistors/ draxus are Psykers and can join DEATHWATCH, KILL TEAM

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

those are good options, pretty cheap and being able to get a CP back for 1CP and you do have that PSYKER and ADEPTUS ASTARTES together. I put one in my veteran kill team (I'm never sure if the inquisitors are meant (rules intended) to join SM Deathwatch Kill Teams, rather they were intended for Agents Kill Teams - so I stuck with Battleline units). It was... ok. They got the bonuses but it still felt like paying points to access the detachment rule

[@nosbigdamus9665]

Deathwatch is not my cup of tea. But you give us even more then that.

[@crsmith6226]

Will you ever do a video on how to play onslaught sized battles

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

It is hard to get enough games to give good advice on it. And when I play that size it is usually to put all the models you own in a faction and fight. There is no optimisation, only fun smashing things. I don't think I will make a video on it

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

I had my tactical marines split in two squads with one squad with all three special weapon options kill 2 custodes terminators tactical marines with plasma weapons truely are the biggest threat to custodes

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

Glad to hear Tactical marines are still getting play!

[@manotuchnakowong8809]

[@XHobbiesPrime]

2:00 looks at recent videos..... How suprising.

[@redd3a7h47]

Literally 24 seconds ago… nice timing 😂

[@biglabrat4248]

Now Deathwatch have won LVO they are going to be nerfed into oblivion 😒 ffs

[@ToastedMap1e]

Probably not , they did so well because of a ruling that gw RAW didn't intend

[@ToastedMap1e]

Got the list mixed up , I am wrong , please excuse me

[@SCRunnie]

Nah. By the same token, 3 years ago you’d expect big nerfs because admech won LVO at their lowest point in 9th edition. Didn’t happen. I wouldn’t expect many big changes to deathwatch.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

I also expect only minor changes (as I said in the video - but comments from me also boost the comments section!)

[@stormrunner4081]

Brought back from the dead only to be killed again

[@TemperingFaber3]

For Sisters, just roll back all those changes, and remove the auto-6s miracle dice. Less miracle dice isn't fun, more miracle dice, with random value, is!

[@ninjarmy]

Ecto-claydes

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

I get told a different way each video, eventually I will do every pronunciation possible

[@vxicepickxv]

​@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber a video with every single pronunciation might be funny in a bit over 3 months. I know I would watch it.

[@Alasdair-d3c]

I'm sorry but if you have to rely on a single build and specific characters as no other characters or builds are viable to even be barely competative in tournaments then i'm afraid your army is in trouble and needs fixed, this is why i hate the competative scene it ruins games, it always has.

[@inakimurga9536]

I played 1000 Sisters Crusade match, using Hymns from WD and, in my opinion, the cuts on MD is ok. Maybe I would change either one per turn or one whenever a unit dies, a mixture between what it was and what is now. Before it was too frustrating for my opponents if you had high MD. Honestly, I don't like the mechanic, but what I found interesting now that you get very few is that you have to use them cunningly which made me think more than I had expected. I played with Hallowed Martyrs, I have always played it since 8th. I love the lore too. The only thing I would change is "sanctified immolation" and the second part of the detachment as rarely makes the difference, since infantry units are wipped out before triggering it. Regarding BoF, I agree with the change on Stratagems' cost, but I totally disagree with the change in the detachment rule. Army of Faith I like it as it is. I have used it a quite few times. Champions of Faith, I like the idea, but I think it has to be updated to the new MD. Maybe if you burn one MD directly to boost 3 units. Rarely do I use Penitent Host as I don't have enough penitent models. What changes do you expect in the next datastale? Or Just a huge points drop? I hope sacresants gets 2W (I l know it is not going to happen😂😂) and to return BoF to 12". Great Video!

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

It is nice to hear more sisters players agree with me. I also don't like the MD mechanic but would happily keep the one per battle round if we also get once per dead unit - like you say, a mix of old and new

[@inakimurga9536]

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber I prefer Act of Faith from 3 - 7th editon to MD. I talked to my friend about using Hymns for Army Rule as follows. Once per Battle, you can perfom the miracle. If you activate on turn 1 choose 1 ability from Hymns, in turn 2 - 2.... Until 5 in turn five. It was a nice idea, but In the end, we didn't want to Drive ourselves crazy and we left the idea por a casual match to see if It works well.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

@@inakimurga9536 I liked the miracles in 3rd to early 8th ed too. I think remembering that you have 4 or 5 bonus things active at once would be too much brain thinky capacity

[@inakimurga9536]

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber I remember rolling to activate them and failing all the rolls. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Dram1984]

Nerf incoming