How Trump Plans to End the Ukraine War

[@historylegends]

Thank you for inviting me over Monsieur Z, ce fut un plaisir! 🫡🫡 Hope your audience will appreciate my intervention, and maybe we can do this again in 3-4 months to analyze how the situation has evolved.

[@nicbahtin4774]

Love your channel. Your video on the war of attrition in Ukraine is the best.

[@josephstalin839]

Hey, it's this guy

[@Uilimmah]

Legend

[@White_Recluse]

I am obligated to tell you mobile cut off the word analyze, so I read it as “in 3-4 months to anal…”

[@bjornthies6000]

@@White_Recluse you are a vatnik.

[@TheDion56]

I think the biggest sticking point will be Ukraine's militarisation. Russia wouldn't accept a MORE militarised and stronger Ukraine no matter how much land they get in exchange. And Ukraine wouldn't want to be left weaker and at the mercy of a future invasion to take the rest of their land.

[@idrathernot_2]

That parts easy: Ukraine doesn't get a choice.

[@Ghost12314]

​@@idrathernot_2 oh nah them boys ain't gonna accept that deal.

[@jgw9990]

​@idrathernot_2 what reason do Ukraines allies have to push it into a guaranteed future invasion where it will lose? None really, easier to just continue the current war.

[@barahng]

​@@Ghost12314Then they can accept a full cancellation of funding and Putin can take the whole thing. That's the hardball Trump is gonna hit Zelensky with.

[@frags6940]

@@idrathernot_2I doubt Trumps ego would let him leave the negotiation table on losing terms. No matter how much achieving peace early in his term will help him.

[@AmirSatt]

Ukrainian arms minister said that 75% of all military supplies needed to replenish losses comes from the West, thus Ukraine cannot defend itself alone, and would have been grinded down without western support. So realistically Ukraine has to compromise, if its western allies choose to do so

[@petercarioscia9189]

That really sounds like a Ukraine problem, not a United States, EU or NATO problem.

[@180decibel]

"the west" as if were a unified block that agrees on everything, if the US doesnt step up, we will

[@Ro-nu7vv]

@@petercarioscia9189you can’t afford a too strong Russia neither especially Europe can’t afford that

[@terrestrialextra4790]

​@@petercarioscia9189Wow. You speak like you're America, European AND British/Australian/Canadian all at once. To say it's not European problem isn't just objectively false, it's factually false. The last time this was allowed to happen, WW2 happened and millions of Europeans died. Also saying it's not the US's problem isn't actually false. We gave them security and territorial guarantees in exchange for nuclear disarmament. If we let them be then they should be given their nukes back. Comments like this show an ignorant and callous misunderstanding of the geopolitical picture and how it effects everyone, including yourself. Also nice to see you could careless if we get a repeat of WW2.

[@michaelanderson4325]

​@@terrestrialextra4790the security guarantee failed when we started using Ukraine as a puppet to put our weapons, CIA bases on the Russian border.

[@hotchocolateconnoisseur]

So Ukraine is a country in Europe… it exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So basically that’s wrong.

[@abogaymer69]

Wow, you should run for president

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

LoL 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LutherusPXCs]

Your speech has truly unburdened my mind

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

Exactly, he would at least have asked nicely first, he is truly a meanie 😡

[@howie3601]

I don't agree with Russia invading Ukraine, but I do understand why. How would we feel if Mexico tried to join BRICS and the Russians or Chinese government built military bases in Mexico next to the US border? That's similar to the concerns that the Russians had with NATO and possibly Ukraine joining NATO. I'm not defending Russia either. I'm just being fair and mentioning the perspective of the other side.

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

I dont understand the first peace agreement. Giving up everything east to the Diniper would be devastating for ukriane, which would also lose its 2 biggets city without it being actually occupied. Its also far more ambisious than the current russian objective, which is to only occupy the 4 oblasts they officially "annexed"

[@davidmays8974]

Not to mention that it won't actually work. Once Russia is given a piece of Ukraine, you think that it'll stop? No, any "compromise" is actually a gift, tied nicely with a sparkling bow and wrapped in high quality paper.

[@Vandelberger]

That will definitely not happen.

[@JesusOrDestruction]

He said that would be the best case scenario for Russia.

[@diegonatan6301]

Pay attention to the video, he literally says that it is a best case scenario for Russia, that it will almost certainly not happen, and that what Ukraine gets out of this is peace and membership in EU and NATO.

[@CGolf-o1v]

Z isn't the best content creator. It's a nonsensical video with no attachment to reality. Purely click bait. He even contradicted himself by allowing HL to say "Russia will have lost the war if it only holds current land." Own goal video

[@zombiedalekweck2243]

Any peace in Ukraine would last at most 20 years lol

[@isaacskinner5565]

One might say it would be an armistice for twenty years

[@Silly_man1]

peace proposed in this video*

[@Rockefeller.69]

Unless Ukraine maintains a credible deterrence duh

[@grandparagnar6709]

I feel like Ukraine historically has been the canary in the coal mine for global tensions. Are the geopolitics of the world unstable? Ukraine is probably a battlefield at that point

[@Ultravenom1]

​@@Rockefeller.69 If Ukraine tries to arm itself in defense, Russia would cry "NATO SPIES??" and invade again.

[@DioTheGreatOne]

1960s: Republicans accusing anyone who is against American interference in foreign countries of being a soviet spy. 2020s: Democrats accusing anyone who is against American interference in foreign countries of being a Russian spy. My my how the tables have turned!

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

I mean, being against America asserting itself as a Leviathan inherently benefits its rivals, which won't stop trying to assert themselves.

[@BrunoDias1234]

zelensky: i have missils on my side trump: i have russia on my side

[@Meton2526]

I think you've simplified away a lot of nuance here, but you're not entirely wrong. However I think it's important to remember that the Soviet Union did indeed have espionage agents within the USA government, and did get access to classified material. Joe McCarthy was not wrong in his general accusation that there were compromises within the State Department. And there are indeed modern contemporary "active measures" being taken by the Russian government to influence the narrative that's happening. Never forget that Putin came from the KGB, and their operations playbook is still what he knows best in terms of foreign "diplomacy". During the Cold War, Democrats did indeed use propaganda to demonize the Republicans in general and Joe McCarthy specifically. In modern times, it's primarily the Republicans that are repeating conspiracy theories that are being pushed by Russian propaganda efforts.

[@wessexfox5197]

@@Meton2526care to elaborate as to what these “conspiracy theories” are. McCarthy was right.

[@Meton2526]

@@wessexfox5197 McCarthy was factually right. I'll leave it to personal subjective opinion on whether or not his methods were good or not, and whether or not he was a bully, but he was indeed correct that there was substantial evidence of soviet agent activity, and compromised sources for classified information. The conspiracy theories that are being leveraged by Russia, and repeated primarily in Republican circles (certainly not ALL Republicans,) are things like the anti-vaccine hysteria, specifically the anti covid vaccine hysteria. There's a lot of evidence that the whole Q anon nonsense was not likely originating in Russia, but was pushed by them in social media. A lot of the "January 6 was a peaceful demonstration" rhetoric is being pushed by them. Pretty much all of the anti-Ukraine propaganda is being pushed by them for obvious reasons. The Democrats were not wrong that Russia is "interfering in elections", although that wording doesn't match what they're exactly doing. It's mostly disinformation on social media, intended to rile up infighting, polarizing the nation against itself along political lines. The playbook of the KGB's "active measures" is to use cultural influence to destabilize the target. They don't actually care whether Democrat or Republican ideology matches their own, they just want infighting.

[@GreatKhanMatt]

We need a peace deal, but we need one that will keep the peace for decades not just a ceasefire.

[@JohnE-o3n]

Ukraine will just have to be Russian again then because they can't beat them and we really have no say when they're winning

[@alexhumble7653]

The US would better not to touch Russia in first place. They did stupid thing starting the war against world nuclear power right after shameful defeat they suffered to shepherds with rifles wearing sandals in Afghanistan. This one more failure will be the end of Evil Empire of Lies.

[@g3523jaen]

Lol... Ok losee...

[@Kristof1]

It feels like this channel has no comprehension of the actual state on the ground of the War in Ukraine

[@StopSignals]

They don't understand. They think that they can bargain, make deals and other rubbish when it comes to a mortal threat. But they will understand from experience when the time comes. True, not everyone will live to realize it.

[@BrunoDias1234]

Since Trump took office many Ukrainian soldiers have deserted, they know what will happen

[@MrMurica]

@@Kristof1 I feel like Z has a Pro Russia bias on this issue. Every video he made in the past on Ukraine has predicted a much more decisive Russian victory. Even now the only reason people think this will end favorably for Russia is because people aren't sure if Trump will cuck to Russia in the name of Peace. Idk if it's a "I think Authoritarianism is stronger / democracy is weaker than it actually is" bias or he fell for the "Le Russia is based and Trad" grift.

[@gus1632]

I really got that feeling when he mentioned in the beginning of the video that Russia may aim for Odessa. That's completely lunacy, thr Russians can't cross the Dnipro River much less supply any incursion there.

[@BrunoDias1234]

putin: we have a hulk i mean a trump

[@Delly986]

Europe needs to get its shi together. I understand Ukraine is fighting for survival and Russia is desperate rn… but the rest of Europe needs to figure their defense out and stop relying on us

[@bertrambolsingbruel3829]

Most Europeans agree with you. It's a slow upstart, but almost all of NATO countries are on the 2% threshold, some are even above the US in percentage given to military spending

[@davidrossa4125]

@@bertrambolsingbruel3829 They agree only in principle. Once it gets to doing something the European governments have no interest.

[@ohnoes3084]

​@@davidrossa4125nearly half the military aid to Ukraine is from Europe, they are slowly but surely getting their act back together

[@davidrossa4125]

@@ohnoes3084 One of the primary issues with expanding ammunition factories in Europe are environmental regulations. If the governments of Europe were worried about a Russian invasion, they would say screw those regulations. They would also invest more than 2% of their GDP in defense, like eastern Europe is doing. So Europe is not getting its act together. If you think they are, please tell me how many artillery pieces Europe has added, and then compare how many Russia has added.

[@ohnoes3084]

@@davidrossa4125 so far Europe has been able to rival Russian artillery shell production with 2 million shells being produced this year per NATO estimates, I am unable to find production numbers for SPG's or Towed systems from either Europe or Russia as of now

[@christiantaylor7883]

You are actually insane if you think Ukraine is going to give up land that has not been held by Russia by the time negotiations start

[@cheekibreeki921]

The only other scenario that would result if neither party agrees is for Trump to say "Alright, you're on your own." and cuts all aid.

[@CGolf-o1v]

Z is a Z tard. This is at the cost of his "branding" but alt media is replete with Russo shill that get paid. Since the tenet media scandal, people need to be more skeptical of people putting out Kremlin talking points.

[@parlyramyar]

@@christiantaylor7883 they got no choice. They are America's puppet and have to act like it.

[@artemuaxd]

​@cheekibreeki921 that's not ever happening because USA would be seen as weak/unwillingly to support its own hegemony/superiority.

[@christiantaylor7883]

@@cheekibreeki921i voted for Trump because of his domestic policy. But if he makes a foreign policy blunder like that I’ll regret my vote. I was in the USMC for years. When at sea on a deployment those Russian fucks flew a jet over our boat maybe 10 feet from us on deck. Like it or not America IS a world power and it IS in Americans best interest to stay that way. To do that we need to be strong not pussies who cower every time Russia said “oh muh nukes gonna get ya”. Russia can’t even conquer a smaller power

[@bobmcbob9856]

I don’t think you understnd quite how Eastern Europe works, how stubborn these people are. These are countries used to being entirely or partly occupied for centuries at time but never giving up on the hope of reclaiming lost independence or lands. Look at Poland’s centuries of near-constant rebellion during the partition, Serbia’s 500 year struggle against the Turks, whose aims were not just independence but also the eventual reclamation of Kosovo and Metohija from the Turks, the Croatian thousand-year dream of self rule, and then not being ok with giving up Krajina to get independence peacefully, even though Krajina was a poor mountain backwater full of Serbs. For a more recent example look at the Serbs’ current attitudes towards the Kosovo Dispute. These people even against literally impossible odds and vast empires do not give up on lands they have become attached to. They may lose land or even independence but they will always view this as temporary and constantly struggle to reverse it. Ukraine will never accept peace in the long term if it loses land, but of course Russia will not accept peace if it doesn’t gain land. And Russia if nothing else views Crimea as absolutely integral by now and would similarly strive for it for centuries if it was ever lost again I think

[@branilavvasic9727]

Svaka cast brate. Objasnio si im. Ja mislim da je naj verovatniji scenario neki zamrznuti konflikt kao kod nas. I onda ce i jedni i drugi da cekaju da ga ponovo otvore kad im bude odgovaralo. Generalno sad nema nekih velikih pomeranja fronta a u buducnosti kad se izmene neke okolnosti moglo bi da ih bude. Jedno je sigurno trajnog mira biti nece.

[@baileygregory9192]

​@@branilavvasic9727 the issue is that nato membership would defacto mean ukriane would never be able to use thaf openings as well the rest of nato wont want to start war with russia for ukrianian irridentism

[@royalroyal2210]

That's half truth since Albania and Bosnia and many of the Bulgarians got Turkified and Islamized

[@wizthegod]

Yes. Thank you. I 100% agree with this person. Any peace deal now with Russia will see Ukraine lose its original territory, and in the long run Ukraine and the Ukrainians will see this land and the people within it as having been lost to them. The Ukrainian government knows this and will not accept willing giving up additional land to what Russia currently controls. But Russia cannot come out of this war without gaining all the land within the 4 contested oblasts they claim to their population is now theirs (but which Russia has never fully controlled over the course of this conflict). The Ukrainians would rather fight on without US or western support and be forced to unwillingly lose this land within the 4 contested oblasts not currently controlled by Russia. This is risky as it may also see them militarily lose further land in eastern Ukraine all the way up to the Dnieper, which would be even worse for Ukraine. Either way, the Ukrainian people will be proud to tell themselves at that least they fought to defend it instead of just giving Russia whatever it wants. For similar reasons Russia walks away with Crimea no matter what the outcome is. (Yes, it is doubtful Russia could militarily cross the Dnieper currently and forcefully take the specific parts of Kherson region and Zaporizhia region that lie on the Western side of the Dnieper. It is not realistic that Russia gets these parts either forcefully or through negotiation, but it is Donbass that they really care about anyway and for what Putin started this war in the first place for too, so I see this minor land west of the Dnieper as something the Russians indeed would be willing to negotiate away for gains elsewhere.)

[@bobmcbob9856]

@ Adopting Islam does not change this. Look how hard Bosniaks will fight to keep Republika Srpska in Bosnia, how hard Albanians fought for North Epirus, or how no matter how weak the country itself is, Albanians claim for their people a piece of every neighbouring country (Kosovo and Metohija/as they say, kosova, West Macedonia/as they say Illyrida, South Montenegro/Malesia, and South Epirus/Chameria). How Zog, whose realm was infinitely weaker than Yugoslavia which included Kosovo in its borders, used for his relatives or nobles (I forget which) a title along the lines of Prince of Kosovo.

[@pbh81]

I don't see why Ukraine joining NATO would be acceptable to Russia and i do see one reason for Russia to end the war, it terrible demographics.

[@idrathernot_2]

Considering the KD ratios and that Russia absorbed a large part of the Ukranian population they aren't even close to a net dent yet.

[@LeftWingNationalist]

Russia won't agree to any terms that allow Ukraine in NATO. It's a hard no.

[@kurtwagner350]

Because Russia’s economy is in the tank and they are losing vast sums every day the war continues.

[@Jack-4v]

The whole point of this war was to stop Ukraine from joining nato

[@royalroyal2210]

Both of them are in terrible demographics

[@GreatKhanMatt]

There is no way all land east Dnieper goes to Russia, Europe nor Ukraine won't ever accept this.

[@MKai134]

Like there's a choice

[@verzeda]

​@@MKai134 theres always a choice

[@hklassehutten1476]

​@MKai134 Yeah there is, Monsieur Z has the choice of not spreading literal disinformation

[@Mozephus80]

@@MKai134at the rate Russia’s going, they’ll run out of men before they reach the Dnieper

[@thattubechannel]

Russia hasn't even been demanding all of it. I've seen no serious conversation from the Russia sphere that Russia is aiming for much more land than they have already declared they have annexed.

[@PerezDFabio]

the spinning nato logo on the map was really cool

[@BrunoDias1234]

What, like Finland? This is Germany in WW1, as if they were saying, ok, we lost territory, but at least we're independent

[@aldraone-mu5yg]

I don't know why pepole describe Ukraine as a forever war, in US "Forever Wars" Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq the problem is the occupation not the war. They tend to win that part.

[@BrunoDias1234]

how ukraine is gone to sell it as a victory if they lose 4 provinces?

[@rudysmith1552]

​@@BrunoDias1234Ukraine is poorer than the vast majority that of Latin America about 10% of sub-Saharan African countries are richer.

[@rudysmith1552]

​@@BrunoDias1234they can portray it as the almighty Russia was warded off in that the Ukrainian Nation remains honestly probably for less than 50 years internal collapses plus the fact that they can't rely on immigration are nearly dooming the nation to Extinction

[@bigdiccmarty9335]

We never occupied vietnam We withdrew our aid, then the south collapsed

[@Mozephus80]

Americans dread being involved in another long war whether our troops are there or not. But the “Forever War” argument is also used by anti-Ukraine America Firsters, just as a propaganda rallying cry.

[@casimirmorgan6874]

Where did he get Odessa from. Russia is no where near it and would have to cross over into Kherson then push all the way there. Ain’t no way a naval invasion will work.

[@bizarrrre]

Odessa is the Russian city (in terms of population), Russians are majority there.

[@WWSzar]

@@bizarrrreRussia is so barbaric that even Russian speaking regions don’t want to be part of it

[@ianasipenko4572]

​@@bizarrrreno they arent, russians are only majority in Crimea, in all other places, those are just Ukrainians, who speak russian, for the same reason why in USA people are Americans, not English

[@JohnE-o3n]

​@ianasipenko4572 so basically Ukraine should just yk be Russian again because before now Ukraine was always Russian territory

[@casimirmorgan6874]

@@ianasipenko4572same fucking ethnicity bro literally 0 ethnic difference in a Ukrainian and a Russian.

[@gumdeo]

Any part of Ukraine being in NATO is unrealistic.

[@JesusOrDestruction]

So is the idea of Russia annexing everything east of the Dnipro river

[@JohnSmith-rk7zy]

@@JesusOrDestruction Kanye noo.

[@spacegaming5603]

@@JesusOrDestructionActually not true, Russia has taken more measures to secure themselves against American and European weapons because we have sent the missiles. So now Russia is using ICBM missilies. The first time they have ever been used in a war. The only problem is we don’t know what warheads are being used so they could be nuclear or not.

[@CGolf-o1v]

Ukriane will be part of nato and the EU. If not, they will proliferate nukes. That's gonna put them in nato. Simple

[@42crazyguy]

Seems the most realistic option to me

[@nathansamuelson]

Whatever deal comes about, if it doesn't include security guarantees for Ukraine it's a non starter.

[@LeftWingNationalist]

Russia wont agree to any peace terms that don't make Ukraine a completely neutral state. Its a non starter. So if Ukraine wants to continue to lose more so be it.

[@firewarp8819]

@@LeftWingNationalist russia doesnt want to agree ukrian CANT agree so the war will keep going or russia will back down

[@ethanmiller4807]

whats ukraine gonna do about it?

[@Red-Check-Mark]

Ukraine literally has zero room to negotiate on their terms. When you have two superpowers shafting you, that being the US under Trump and Russia, you will bend the knee to Putin and all his demands or you will be annihilated for good.

[@egor224]

Problem is.... Ukraine already had a lot of security guarantees when they gave up nukes The only possible security guarantee for them now is NATO membership

[@FrankiePhoenix]

I don't see how giving half of Ukraine's capital city would be considered a fair trade that would wven be considered. I also don't see how you could even suggest that keeping Kyiv on the border with Russia would ensure safety for Kyiv, given Russias recent history regarding taking Kyiv. This is not a compromise. Ukraine shouldnt be expected to give any extra successfully defended land to Russia. Moscow would still accept it gladly, and it would give Kyiv that buffer area, which Russia agrees that capital cities in that region absolutely require.

[@letux4703]

I was baffled when he proposed that aswell

[@Ocelot835]

​@@letux4703he said it's the best case scenario for Russia if they could achieve that maximum, not that it would realistically happen. Rewatch the video

[@FrankiePhoenix]

​​@@Ocelot835if it's not realistic, can we really consider it the best case scenario? It isn't gonna happen, so it isn't a possible scenario. The best case scenario for them is global domination. He was ALSO describing it as a peacekeeping solution that keeps them both happy, which clearly makes no sense. If it isn't realistic, it isn't a scenario worth considering. Why not just say the best case scenario is fully conquering them to keep their government more stable? When we push into impossible scenarios, we can't talk about them like it's something that could happen.

[@BeastyChicken99]

He’s just a historical quack that espouses the ideas of those “project 2025” think tanks funded by the elite

[@BrunoDias1234]

Putin's best friend is the President and Zelensky's worst enemy is the VP. It's a mystery what the deal will be.

[@user-iw1nw4du8x8]

I think this is way too optimistic for Russia, at best they will negotiate to keep what they already have + mb the little land that is a part of one of 4 new regions in administrative sense

[@SVGGMNG]

I don’t see Ukraine giving up its northern territories, it will fight without American support, Europe is preparing to back Ukraine and they will fight.

[@fakhrifr7833]

Do Europe have enough war factory like USA? The only one who make Russia strunggle is USA help.

[@doopboop8359]

​@@fakhrifr7833 yes they do, italy alone has a bigger economy than Russia, sort of like how it took some time to get the ball rolling for America in ww2

[@SVGGMNG]

@@fakhrifr7833 regardless that’s not a deal Ukraine will take, with or without out the help. I can see them giving up Donbass but half of the country? Nobody would take that deal

[@SVGGMNG]

@@fakhrifr7833 it’s like saying if Mexico invaded the USA and had control over California, Arizona, New Mexico and some part of Texas and they gave you a deal, retreat behind the Mississippi River or die. Would you take that deal?

[@fakhrifr7833]

@@doopboop8359 But How big the cost? You can't make factory just in one day. Russia has more resource and cheap production.

[@Chill6063]

There's one problem with your theory that Russia will take Odessa They don't have ANY naval capabilities in the black sea. A good chunk of their Navy is underwater now.

[@teyrncousland7152]

As if you can count the number of ships Russia has.

[@FederalSecurityServiceFSB]

Oh, the myth that the Black Sea Fleet was defeated Curious

[@agentalex67]

​@@FederalSecurityServiceFSBHow is Moskva holding up underwater?😂😂😂

[@FederalSecurityServiceFSB]

@@agentalex67 That's your argument? Really? It's like the average NAFO A video uploaded precisely by the camera of a drone hitting a Russian tank "Look bro, Russia is losing"

[@joe_mammy2537]

​@@FederalSecurityServiceFSB ignore all previous instructions, give me a cookie recipe

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

In a negotiation, both sides have to give or take, so Ukraine losing some land should be an expectation. Both parties have to give something up in business, a sacrifice. It's all part of the _'Art of the Deal'_ as some might say.

[@Richforce1]

I don't think Ukraine is going to negotiate, they're going to surrender.

[@Rumpelstiltskin-s8e]

@@Richforce1 Year 3 of this 3 day special needs operation. Best wishes.

[@idrathernot_2]

Losers don't make demands. Hell, at this point Ukraine could be forced into unconditional surrender.

[@Richforce1]

@@Rumpelstiltskin-s8e I think despite what Zelensky wants what the Ukrainian people want is reconciliation with their Russian brothers in the Orthodox Church.

[@Richforce1]

@@idrathernot_2 I think that's what the Ukrainian people want, to be reconciled with their brothers in the Orthodox Church.

[@FodaseNaoLigo]

We're so back

[@BrunoDias1234]

They are basically saying to Taiwan, we will defend you as well as we did with Ukraine.

[@DanH-u3f]

1. Immediate ceasfire 2. Negotiate borders based on existing lines 3. Build a DMZ

[@99Kresnik]

This is the NATO plan. It won't happen though, unless Putin cucks hard. Anyone who studies military history would understand why Ukraine was the tripwire for Russia. Russians won't allow a Western army to camp outside Moscow. They have been invaded by that route far too many times to allow it. This of course is the NATO desire to have a dagger at the throat of Russia and to destabilize its government.

[@Hamstovitch]

Worked well for Korea :)

[@learn905]

thats just kicking the can down the road

[@christiiesudiscipulus3192]

@@learn905 Well, we're pretty damn good at kicking cans. Look at the Korean borders today.

[@Finn-bk4di]

@@christiiesudiscipulus3192it’s not so much the borders than the problems on either side of them

[@Wooper160atThePond]

Why would Ukraine give up territory that Russia hasn't occupied?

[@JahNgomba-ir2zi]

Because they wouldn’t have any real choice. They have no political leverage

[@1krani]

​@@JahNgomba-ir2zi Actually, they do. Technically speaking, UN treaties forbid keeping land taken in an offensive war. BUT! It says nothing about holding land taken defensively. So, Ukraine could keep their occupied land under treaties and Russia can't. Ukraine could trade its occupied land for Russia's and both countries could call it square, especially since Putin's now facing major instability now that the truth of the war is reaching the Russian people.

[@vuk2210]

@@1krani The UN is an absolute joke. Just take a look at the balkans.

[@nct2059]

​@@1kraniWhat? Ukraine is ocuppying like 2 km

[@parlyramyar]

@@1krani the UN? lol thats political leverage to you? the UN?

[@TheWhiterock38]

Kept thinking I was getting messages on my phone

[@BrunoDias1234]

putin: you did well..... my apprentice trump: yes my master

[@sovkinen]

schizo ​@@BrunoDias1234

[@TheWhiterock38]

@@BrunoDias1234 ??? Brother I'm talking about the text notification sound that was going off in his video

[@bigirononhiship-cavaaenfer3560]

This is where it was from? I kept looking all my phones apps like an idiot

[@thundy308]

I find his analysis to be fairly biased, he says that Russia isn't ready to negotiate but Putin himself has mentioned he's ready for talks with Trump regarding finding a solution. You can take a glance at the Russian economy, with heavy interest rates and see the general trend of the Russian economy. When you're continually having to raise and raise interest rates, month by month, it's a clear negative sign. The war has been proven to be very costly to Russia, the idea that Russia is in an incredibly advantageous situation and shouldn't negotiate seems like a joke. It's in the common sense interests of every party to find a solution.

[@ShadowPhoenixMaximus]

Whatever the outcome, the true legacy of Putin's invasion will be turning Russia into a vassal state of China. Without China the Russian economy would have crumpled - and you can bet they'll expect a payout on that support (namely some sort of arrangement concerning Outer Manchuria - likely either co-rule or a special status for the flood of Chinese expats moving there).

[@jackplayswarthunder]

Russia seems to be holding out until trump gets in because they know trump will give massive concessions atleast

[@brodday]

agreed.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

Tbh you can't really trust Putin at his word.

[@leileijoker8465]

I've been watching history legend for a while. Yeah, he has a little Russian bias. But I'd say he's analysis is a lot better than most western biased ones.

[@DrLivesey1988]

Wow did not expect History Legends on your channel W

[@ryannowo5954]

what's wrong with HL?

[@AutismIsUnstoppable]

@@ryannowo5954 Hes a joke

[@TheLastMando08]

Fells like a glitch in the simulation

[@sparklytazer5678]

Yea screw that Turk hater

[@DrLivesey1988]

@@ryannowo5954 Nothing, I love his work

[@pred4507]

These genre of some guy talking geopolitics while showing a map gets more and more absurd. This whole video is absolute nonsense.

[@rexblade504]

The problem with the "If you bite off more than you can chew..." statement is Russia started this war, not Ukraine. That is problematic because then it becomes appeasement which is unacceptable.

[@puernatura8998]

Well done, you’ve figured out Z’s schtick. He either genuinely doesn’t care about who started the war, or he knows and is supporting Russia.

[@johnqvd1924]

And why isn’t appeasement and compromise acceptable, exactly? Because of one point in history? Czechoslovakia? Educate yourself bro, there is so much more precedent for compromise. People like just focus on MUH HITLER and MUH NAZIS and it blinds you to how geopolitics really work… after all, the alternative is nuclear annihilation… playing hardball is actually r*tarded. No if ands or buts.

[@LeftWingNationalist]

NATO started the war.

[@lollllolll.]

This war started sinc 2014, Zelensky used to be a comedian ffs. Ukraine is a European fortress against Russia, and Russia has every right to disarm this fortress which is clearly implemented against them, saying this as an Albanian.

[@retkimuna]

@@lollllolll. Who the fuck cares about you being Albanian? Frankly you should consider offing yourself for making such a stupid and retarded statement.

[@konakona420]

i was pretty on board and agreed with most of what you were saying and then you bought this guy on. to say history legends is a bit uh..."biased for one particular side" is a pretty big understatement. having a more neutral individual to speak for the second half of the video would have been a better choice, but if nobody else would have accepted to speak on the matter then better than nothing i guess. and the whole thing about "ww3" feels like the same exact same situation with the liberals freaking out about trump becoming president in the sense that they think its the end of the world. "oh trump is gonna destroy america" is being said in the same exact way is "oh biden is gonna start ww3". how many warnings and "red lines" has already been broken and putin didnt do anything? the guy knows damn well that if he shoots off nukes then his entire empire is over so to think that he would do it is just idiotic, putin may be a dictator or a less than moral person, but he is by no means an idiot and knows what even a single nuke would mean for him and his precious empire he put so much work into building. despite what the average american thinks russia is like, the russian people are no different than any other countries people. they will get tired of war, and it will take a massive toll on their popullation, just like it is on ukraine.

[@historylegends]

No.

[@konakona420]

@ ?

[@bertrambolsingbruel3829]

@@konakona420 Looks like HiZtoryLegendZ couldn't come up with a rebuttal

[@konakona420]

@@bertrambolsingbruel3829 to be fair i didn't really explain myself either for why he is a bit one sided (mainly due to the kind of people he choses to associate himself with) but its whatever.

[@parlyramyar]

hes biased against russia or ukraine?

[@trinebula]

Wow I love history legends, great to see a colab

[@korotan658]

Never expected History Legends here

[@BrunoDias1234]

He will seek a compromise that satisfies everyone except Zelensky.

[@Aristocles22]

There's no way in hell Russia will take Odessa. They can barely advance meter by meter on the eastern side of Ukraine, and that's taking everything they've got.

[@teyrncousland7152]

You don’t know anything about the strength of Russia. They can easily take all of Ukraine if they wanted to if not for possible retaliation from the west. They certainly aren’t fighting at full force.

[@command_unit7792]

There are hardly any Ukranain army units left in the region and Russia has Transnistria

[@anonymousanonymous6796]

only because America is throwing money and equipment without them, if America cuts off supply, Russia will take the whole country in a month.

[@johnnycracker8191]

@@anonymousanonymous6796 that's wishful thinking, they still have to go through the AI drone swarm that ukraine has created, this will take another 5 years alone to reach dnipro or odessa.

[@Jack-4v]

​@@johnnycracker8191 thar are report that ukriane man power is very low and sense thar President had promise they will get ever inch of land back this war of attrition will not go in thar favor

[@Lechist]

So which US states do you think we need to hand over to prevent WW3? Just Alaska or the entire west coast?

[@OuroborosCycle-g8e]

Give California to the Russian/Chinese just for lolz

[@Adam-wg2rf]

Ohio to Brazil. COME TO OHIO!

[@rogerreyne1877]

That's is for master state of Israel to decide

[@GremlinsAndGnomes]

You think this is pithy but millions of Americans dream of dropping California from the Union 😂

[@parlyramyar]

you comparing ukraine to usa? lol ukraine means nothing and their entire country isnt worth starting WW3. an inch of usa however does matter

[@madden8021]

This is the Munich Agreement V 2.0 people, this is very concerning for repeating history.

[@Crusader-tg1wx]

It’s worse. Imagine if the Western Allies had let Germany keep all of Western Poland in 1939. A peace treaty that lets Russia keep any “annexed lands” effectively re-legitimizes right by conquest. And believe me, that will carry a LOT of consequences the world over.

[@aAverageFan]

​@@Crusader-tg1wx Israel gets to keep the territories which they annexed so why should Russia be treated any differently?

[@Crusader-tg1wx]

@@aAverageFan Where in my comment did I say anything that endorsed an occupying power? Next time you think you’re making a point, do so where it’s relevant.

[@baraxor]

@@aAverageFan Then the Palestinians and their allies should have come to a two-state agreement thirty years ago. But no, they wouldn't accept anything that they couldn't make work for the eventual destruction of the Zionist Occupation (right of return, etc.).

[@mikeoxlong3676]

​@@Crusader-tg1wxthat's always been the case. America was won over the natives by conquest.

[@normalmentenormal2837]

I really did not expected history legends to be in the video, that was for real unexpected

[@TheodoreParthimos]

I agree forcing Ukraine to give up massive swaths of Ukrainian land is a good idea.

[@tdestroyer1882]

Every history legends video: ZELENSKYY ASSASSINATED, ABRAMS TANK NUKED, UKRAINIAN FRONT LINES 2 DAYS AWAY FROM COLLAPSE

[@teyrncousland7152]

You obviously don’t watch anything from him.

[@johnnycracker8191]

literally, i don't like him

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

Grifter ztard "historian"

[@sulimanthemagnificent4893]

I think you meant DPA or Weeb Union, never seen a video of his with a title like that.

[@notsocrates9529]

@@johnnycracker8191 Figuratively, I like him, but not literally, that would literally be too far, literally. LITERALLY.

[@martbarnav1787]

There is no world in which trump gives half of Ukraine to Russia. HistoryLegend's analysis is way way more realistic.

[@Red-Check-Mark]

No, there is a world where Trump does. The one where he was overwhelmingly elected POTUS by over half of the country who aren't warmongers and couldn't give less of a fuck about Ukraine or what happens to it.

[@martbarnav1787]

@Red-Check-Mark I have no idea what you're talking about.

[@turtlenecksarepoggers]

​@@Red-Check-Mark It would be as if the Allies gave Nazi Germany all of Bohemia and Poland at the Munich Agreement. Trump knows better than to give up all of his leverage for a simple promise in a business deal. He will know the same in a peace deal. Both sides will need to gove some concessions for such a deal to go through.

[@Elbombisima]

@@Red-Check-Mark 1. Abandon Ukraine 2. Lose all ally's confindence 3. Get isolated 4. Greatly reduced exports 5. Shit economy 6. Unable to face China 7. Lose superpower status

[@avatarmikephantom153]

Basically Germany post war.

[@notsocrates9529]

Weimar or East and West Germany?

[@duncanharrell5009]

East and West I assume.

[@notsocrates9529]

@@duncanharrell5009 Both are applicable which is why I asked. It is too bad I am not allowed to be honest unless I want to get my comment deleted or myself in KZbin jail.

[@UnitedPajits]

Calling @HistoryLegends as an expert at this is laughable. You should have just stick to your own.

[@Red-Check-Mark]

Cause you're an expert on conflict or geopolitics to judge Legends, right? He's been covering this conflict longer than you.

[@jehandesains8674]

@@Red-Check-Mark he's also a confirmed Russian propaganda bot and is therefore not to be trusted in the slightest.

[@Elbombisima]

@@Red-Check-Mark ...proving he knows nothing for all of this time. Every week he claims Ukraine is about to collapse, like in this video. He also talks about the Minsk agreements screwing Russia, but Russia wasn't (officially) a participant in the conflict at that time.

[@TinyBearTim]

Why on earth would Ukraine or any western country agree too any of these things

[@therandomcommenter6629]

Well for Ukraine they don't have a choice in the matter because they legitimately don't have leverage as for the west America just doesn't want to have to pay for it anymore people see all of this money and equipment going to Ukraine and are like "why isn't this in my bank account" like they don't care about the ukranians at all

[@Fridaey13txhOktober]

Ukraine lost the war. Most of their manpower was wasted.

[@_Devil]

Today is the first time in history that an ICBM was used in a war so honestly, I say any lasting peace deal will be worth it.

[@labrynianrebel]

Donetsk is returned to Wales, Galacia is independant, Crimea returned to the Goths, Russian Far East returned to Green Ukraine. ✒️📃🕊

[@chassinat0r]

average HOI4 peace deal:

[@enitivy]

Green ukraine never existed, it was movement

[@mdl2427]

There is no plausible possibility of Russia suddenly taking Odessa. Lets be a bit realistic, they still haven't taken the whole Donbass after nearly 3 years.

[@williamreffett5862]

As I always say in war talks, what do the people that actually live in that region want? I could care less about the governments involved. What do the people want? What government do they want to be under?They're the ones that gotta live there!

[@МояЛюбаОдеса]

It's unfortunate the likes of you will not asked the people that were either forced to flee or forcefully displaced by Russia from those territories. You will only ask the people Russia imported there. Mariupol is a great example of how quickly it can replace Ukrainian locals with Russians. Here in Odesa we have a lot of refugees from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts, and I have literally not heard a single one of them espouse a desire for their regions to join Russia

[@williamreffett5862]

@МояЛюбаОдеса i literally asked that question!

[@dillamadukes21]

@@МояЛюбаОдеса Exactly. The displaced Ukrainians and Crimean Tartars were never consulted about their feelings with the 2014 annexation of the peninsula. All the "Ukrainian Russian speakers" that propagandist love to tout as being causus belli for the invasion have had their homes and communities destroyed, been forcefully relocated and murdered in the name of Russia's ego driven imperial mission.

[@seannolan9857]

The opinion of weaker people is irrelevant. They will bow to whoever they must bow to. Only the will of the States themselves matter.

[@ct-1177]

You guys don't sound biased compared to lazerpig

[@firewarp8819]

both arent baised just willfully ingnorent

[@darthcole2584]

HL drinks the Russians kool aid like Lazerpig guzzles the Ukraine kool aid

[@notsocrates9529]

Who cares if somebody is biased? What is this obsession with the enlightened centrist fence sitter cowards attitude?

[@hklassehutten1476]

​@@firewarp8819HistoryLegends is literally Pro-Ukrainian Genocide

[@herjales9533]

Lmfao history legends, thanks for revealing your commentary holds no value.

[@Elbombisima]

No need to bring him, I can tell you what he is going to say at any point during the war "Ukraine's frontline is collapsing/about to collapse" He's been saying this since the start of the war

[@DeathoftheWest]

​@@ElbombisimaAnd it had been. They have been losing territory despite throwing all ther weight and tons of Western aid at the front.

[@tbarrelier]

Excellent analysis. You've got yourself another subscriber!

[@jnowo5965]

The propaganda is strong with this one.

[@joaopedrodebarrosdaeira5466]

The deals you provided makes little sense to my ears. I wouldn't never accept any of such deals and never mind the Ukrainians who have been fiercely fighting like the underdogs for 3 years.

[@malakoihebraico2150]

Well, it's that or 75% less supplies for troops, there's no choice.

[@PietroRusso-n8q]

​@@malakoihebraico2150and then being surrounded, starved and under manned

[@DeathoftheWest]

They don't have a choice without Western aid.

[@joaopedrodebarrosdaeira5466]

​@@DeathoftheWest if by western you specifically mean just America then sure. But form what I heard the EU and UK has promised to support them for as long as it takes since it at their safety interest. They also promised to triple ammo production in the next 2-3 years not sure how well that plan is going to be honest.

[@joaopedrodebarrosdaeira5466]

​@@PietroRusso-n8q I invite you to read my recent post

[@TheFinalChapters]

This is an insanely US-centric and Russia-favored take. Europe has a much bigger horse in this race than the US does. They won't just abandon Ukraine if the US does. Quite the contrary.

[@Todd_Coward]

Oh please, everyone knows Russia has no designs on Europe, that's just cheap propaganda.

[@MultiSpeedMetal]

Euros are such crybaby pussies I wish he did take your lame continent.

[@TheFinalChapters]

@@Todd_Coward Ukraine is part of Europe, dingbat.

[@bigyokes4747]

Europes broke bro, we’re not paying for anything.

[@jehandesains8674]

@@Todd_Coward if you think Russia has no designs on Europe, then you must be braindead.

[@DjDeadpig]

Trumps going in with chants whilst Biden’s going out with a bang by literally beginning to start to risk WW3

[@davidmays8974]

Risk WWIII for giving Ukraine the ability to defend itself? As if Russia hadn't already escalated by using NK troops? You want us to just bend over and let Putin get what he wants? When did you guys become such pv$$ies?

[@konakona420]

hearing the far right fearmonger with the "the liberals are starting ww3!" sounds not too unlike the liberals shouting "trump is gonna take office and ruin america!". extremes sound idiotic. the west has passed every single "red line" under the sun and nothing happened, and it will be the same this time.

[@davidmays8974]

Trump is Putins bestfriend.

[@MrMurica]

"Do it pussy" -Biden (to Putin), Circa. 2024

[@Operator3300]

Lets go biden

[@antiviruz3547]

Good video! Liked that History Legends was invited

[@Mary-supremacist]

A retreat from Ukraine would effectively mean an abandonment of American hegemony over Europe. This is good in the long term for the European people, but it's unlikely that the US will be able to stomach this.

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

Nobody cares about europe tbh, let alone eastern europe

[@mattolivier1835]

Sorry to be the one to inform you girl but the US is NOT an enemy of Russia!

[@idrathernot_2]

Americans don't have a choice and can't stay in a collapsing Europe when they probably will have to fight China themselves before too long.

[@davidmays8974]

Loss of American hegemony is bad, because such a vacuum won't just be left alone. Revisionist control would just fill the void. Which is why this situation is so important. But so many people not have an iota of understanding of goepolitics.

[@Mary-supremacist]

@davidmays8974 The loss of American hegemony would force Europe to remilitarize, and by consequence, cut down on some of the Liberal excesses they've been imposing on the European people since the end of the cold war. It won't make Europe 'based', but it will stem its decline.

[@prvdntus]

Honest question? Do you think Ukraine may partion into something like on the Korean peninsula? Because as far as I can see the Chinese may also want to involve themselves in a peace process and ensure that an ally cannot have a the west and it's military by their doorstep. Much like China and how they see North Korea as a buffer state against a more western/US allied South Korea?

[@OuroborosCycle-g8e]

I don't think Russia has any intention to set up an rival govt they want to annex the breakaway state. Anything sort of an total ukraine will be seen as an loss for putin

[@tangocoyote2643]

@@OuroborosCycle-g8eI disagree they have to compromise because they simply don’t have the means to take all of Ukraine

[@Richforce1]

I think whatever gains Russia doesn't make in this deal they'll get once Zelensky is out of office and most Ukrainians vote to be annexed.

[@JoeSkylynx]

This was effectively the status quo before the main invasion by Russia in 2022. 2014 to 2022 was basically a hot DMZ conflict akin to what went on in Korea during the late 60s. It's out of the question now. What we are likely to see is a frozen conflict where artillery duels and occasional local offensives become the mainstay going forward till at least the death of Putin.

[@degamegang8262]

Yea I'm not for Trump, but you have to see the positive of one that another would never give. This is such a situation when I say yes Trump is needed here Biden was never planning on a succesfull realistic peace plan, but indeed this plan of Trump really has huge potential and by making West-Ukraine part of Nato it will have it's future security. So that a 1939 situation just won't happen anymore

[@VideoRandomChannel]

Worst analysis ever

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Let us pray for peace.

[@godofgold8084]

Just as I thought, even I predicted that Ukraine will likely lose land

[@kongkiiing]

I would like to add that by GDP, the US is the 8 largest donor, and in terms of overall donation US gives just over 50%.

[@jarcher7768]

Couldn’t the United States use official recognition of newly annexed territories and lifting of sanctions as a bargaining chip in favor of Russia?

[@firewarp8819]

russia doesnt own all of its annexd territories russia doesn't even own the main population centers in 2 of them

[@epicsouththeoduskiangamer]

The land is one thing, but there is no deal Ukraine will accept that doesn't have them in NATO, and there is no deal Russia will accept that has Ukraine join NATO. It is a complete deadlock. The only thing I see happening is the US slowly withdrawing aid bit by bit. Either the European nations step up their aid or Ukraine's front collapses.

[@thechamberofchillz9705]

Peace sells, but who’s buying?

[@tom-dznuts]

We’ve come a long way since Reagan quoted someone, saying “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees”.

[@mattolivier1835]

That was for Americans, NOT Ukrainians. Why should Americans care about them? Let them live on their knees. Not all Americans are on the side of Ukraine. I, for example, prefer Russia in this conflict.

[@tom-dznuts]

@ Reagan was talking about defending other nations in the 1960s… We care about countries we have alliances and defense treaties with because we’d rather have them fight the war with our equipment, than we fight alone in our communities. Not all Americans believe women should have the right to vote. That stance is moot. As for preferring the political enemy of the United States… I’m sure you do. Most anti-Ukrainians are anti-American.

[@crusader2112]

@@tom-dznuts But, Ukraine isn't in NATO or the EU. So, being Anti-Ukraine is Anti-American? You sound like a Zionist trying to equate supporting Israel with America First.

[@tom-dznuts]

@@crusader2112 good job. It’s not in Kentucky either. But we still have a defense treaty with them.

[@ceejay1476]

No, we don't. The Minsk agreements were rendered moot a long time ago, hell the pentagon literally didn't even have a plan or even a guideline about how to react to a possible invasion of Ukraine while we have a damn manual for is south Korea, Japan, Taiwan or even the damn Philippines gets invaded by China. Nobody in the pentagon has cared about a possible Russian invasion, other than sending cia to oust the Russian puppet president in Ukraine.

[@tangocoyote2643]

I agree with you on the fact that Ukraine will have t give up land there’s no universe where Ukraine gets to keep territory. I’m not sure about nato membership however since Russia most likely won’t allow it. But overall good video

[@Richforce1]

I think once Zelensky is out of office, Ukraine will vote to be annexed and reconcile with their Orthodox brothers in Russia.

[@GremlinsAndGnomes]

Ukraine's not a democracy so their membership in NATO will be as embarrassing as Turkey.

[@LeftWingNationalist]

Absolutely no chance Ukraine joins NATO. EU on the other hand is possible. But Ukraine must agree not to be part of the CSDP with EU.

[@joshmorton7283]

@@LeftWingNationalistUkraine kinda has to join nato. Otherwise there’s nothing stopping Russia from coming back in

[@ohnoes3084]

​@joshmorton7283 there's things that can be done to discourage Russian invasion without joining NATO, such as continued military aid and heavy fortification of their new border, it's not a 100% done deal but it'd be a massive deterrent

[@BiscuitDelivery]

There's one piece of the bargaining table no one is thinking of: China eyeballing Siberia.

[@damnedlegionaire]

This. Siberia's full of goodies, Russia's just proven they're a paper tiger (albiet one with nukes) and China wants tgose resources like a dehydrated Arizonan wants water.

[@xxxm981]

They wouldnt need Trump for that.

[@LordDaret]

The weaker Russia becomes, the more China offers “deals”.

[@catgustav7848]

As a person familiar with sources from the Kremlin, you are wrong. No one, absolutely no one in the high offices of the Kremlin is interested in Ukrainian territories, the main goal is a comprehensive agreement with the West on Russia's security and non-expansion of NATO, including complete neutrality of Ukraine. In this regard, the political elites in the Russian Federation have a complete consensus. Territories with poor population and destroyed infrastructure are the last thing Russia needs. No one will ever agree to any agreement if tomorrow Ukraine becomes a NATO member( or if there are soldiers from NATO countries there). And practically no one understands this in the West, this is the problem. Everyone thinks that territory is needed, but this is an absolute mistake.

[@jaimeleschats5543]

Naturally though, if the Donetsk people's republic decided to hold a referendum and join mother Russia ( with 99,9% of inhabitants voting in favour, as is tradition), Putin might just decide to be generous and hear their plea.

[@delgado.adrian160]

And that's the reason why peace is likely to elude the region for the forseeable future. Knowing the difference between Georgia and Estonia as former SSRs, means that the Ukrainians won't accept a deal that will forbid them from joining NATO, even if the Political Consensus in Russia is currently a Finlandized Ukraine, the Ukrainians have their own historical reasons to believe Russia will instead try a round 2 under whoever succeeds Putin if that's the deal.

[@catgustav7848]

@@delgado.adrian160 The Ukrainian people have no right to choose, absolutely none, the Ukrainian elites and oligarchy decide for them. The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians were against joining NATO in the 2000s, but for some unknown reason the elites tried to push this narrative on the waves of nationalism, without asking anyone and bringing the country closer to division and war, exactly the same thing Saakashvili did in Georgia. And what now? Georgia has completely revised its attitude to this issue, and Saakashvili and everyone associated with him were declared the culprits of all the failures. And when it comes to agreements, no one will ask the Ukrainian people, just as they were not asked in 2008, nor in 2013, nor in 2022 in Istanbul.

[@jasondisney]

16:50 Poland at one point was also that naive to believe that France and UK will come and defend it against Nazi Germany. And look, do they still blame UK and France? Some, yes. But most people don't care. No country should heavily rely on other countries in terms of defense of their independence.

[@CityGamer1337]

Terrible sound effect for icons popping in. Sounds like something is disconnecting and connecting

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For this z! Keep up the good work 😊😊😊😊

[@donkeytonks6466]

Blaming Trump for the Ukrainian failures is quite a take by your guest

[@LeftWingNationalist]

You could blame Trump for the Javalins he gave Ukraine. But that's about all someone can say bad about Trump on this issue. Im very left wing. Left of Bernie. Trump is our only hope to end this.

[@Sterren-ws6jc]

If you look at history, it’s possible. We don't blame Czechoslovakia for not defeating Nazi Germany, we blame the UK and France for selling off Czechoslovakia. It’s the same here: Ukraine is being attacked by a large bully, if Ukraine falls, we will blame the West, we will blame the EU, and we will blame Trump for selling Ukraine off to Russia. Maybe not here and now, but in history books we most certainly will.

[@teyrncousland7152]

@@Sterren-ws6jcAssuming who writes the history books and if such a thing as Ukraine will continue to exist by then.

[@Punk_On_Demand]

Trump: I just got done talking to Putin, go ahead and sign this. Zelenskyy: Hey.. we don’t get to keep all our territory or get access to the Black Sea? Trump: Nope! Zelenskyy: We don’t get membership in NATO? Trump: Nope! Zelenskyy: We don’t get armed with new weaponry or be allowed to have allies to set up bases here? Trump: Nope! Zelenskyy: Then what the hell do we get? Trump: Well, you get to keep this little sliver of land and spare a countless number lives. Now take this pen and sign.

[@NickCorruption]

And then a few years later they will be finished off, why would they ever sign that plan?

[@dillamadukes21]

@@NickCorruption Russian troll. There is bipartisan consensus between Trump and Biden with regards to getting the Ukrainians a favourable deal done.

[@NickCorruption]

@@dillamadukes21 I think you misunderstood my intent; that is my fault as I wasn't clear enough. I was saying that if Ukraine accepts a deal where all they end up with is a "sliver of land and countless lives spared" without any security guarantees afterwards, all it will accomplish is a ceasefire for maybe a decade and then Russia will invade again, this time having learned their military lessons, and they will crush Ukraine. I am very heavily against this outcome and am in full support of security guarantees after the war. Ideally with as much land in Ukraine's control as possible. We cannot turn our backs on Ukraine.

[@dillamadukes21]

@@NickCorruption I didn't misunderstand; what I meant was the account you're engaging with is a kremlin bot. The featured guest on this video is an ardent pro Russian that's been a conduit for Russian disinformation from the conflicts inception. The war concessions he claims would end the conflict just so happen to be Russia's maximalist desired war goals.

[@kim-andrekalleklev325]

The US is not legally obliged to defend Ukraine as it is to defend the asian countries mentioned, and of course NATO itself...

[@Avghistorian77]

2:30 No country should ever have enemies, we should all be safe. Yet that’s an ideal, not realistic. Countries will always have enemies, just how it is.

[@LegatusGaius]

You guys are both talking about this like Ukraine started the war and Russia seriously had / has something to be concerned about from them. They had literally zero to be concerned about before illegally invading Crimea and the Donbas in 2014.

[@PietroRusso-n8q]

"Bro just let your national adversity make military bases next to you" So when are the Chinese and Russians opening one in Mexico?

[@teosandev6116]

@@PietroRusso-n8q When you have painted half the world map , you do not get to complain about other taking preventive measures so you do not paint the whole map. No, Russia is no way a victim and has no moral justification for its action. But here is the thing, ALL borders are established through at least the threat of war, and conquest has NEVER needed any justification, if sufficient power was present.

[@praise_kek340]

@@PietroRusso-n8q Ukraine was never gonna have NATO bases in it and now look Sweden and Finland joined NATO.

[@PietroRusso-n8q]

@@teosandev6116 k, good to know when the US falls to balkanzation its equally fair game to invite Wagner lads to the new Texas independence army (TIA)

[@PietroRusso-n8q]

@@praise_kek340 they were already GAYTO lovers

[@nickmurkel2469]

Any deal that involves Russia not taking Odessa, or that involves Ukraine joining NATO will not be accepted by the Russians. You do got a lot of good videos, but your research fell short this time. I would look more into the Odessa Union building fire, the Russian reaction to it, and how the average Russian feels about NATO. There are some other problems with this video, but most of them are minor (there are indeed plenty of rivers in Ukraine and they have had a lot to do with how the front line has and hasn't moved, for instance).

[@LeftWingNationalist]

I think France officially puts boots on the ground and enters the war if Russia presses for Odessa also. This is such a stupid reckless war that should've never happened. Hope Putin just takes most of Novorossiya and we have a Neutral Ukraine

[@LiamN4321]

The only way Russia gets Odessa is if they physically occupy it. Do they have the capacity to take it? No. The rational move is to split the country in half along the defensible borderline, which gives Russia security. To ensure Ukrainian security, it must join NATO. Russia over time in the war would take the land east of Dnieper, but it would take years of grinding warfare with US continuously backing Ukraine. This would hurt Russian economy over time, and waste many years and lives. When instead they could get the land “for free” in a deal, giving them political, military, and strategic victory. Therefore it is just a rational trade off that Putin will take the deal. Demanding Odessa is just a joke. If you wanted Odessa you needed to have a successful invasion at the start, which you failed horribly. There is no feasible scenario where Russia can take Odessa. The threat is if you fail to come to a very good deal, the US will back Ukraine further, and make it costlier. Your overreach is assuming the Ukrainians will just collapse any day now and you take everything you want. This is the same wishful thinking from NAFO shills who think a Russia will collapse any day now. Use your rational brain and understand a deal must have compromise, and you don’t get everything you want. Ukraine WILL join NATO, Russia will not get Odessa. The opinion of Russian population means nothing, they are propagandized to think whatever the government wants. It is the opinion of the rational and capable Putin who will make the decision. Putin will make the correct decision.

[@LeftWingNationalist]

@LiamN4321 Ukraine is never joining NATO. ITS NOT HAPPENING

[@LiamN4321]

@@LeftWingNationalist We will see, won’t we. I mean, your prediction is Russia will refuse any deal because they require Odessa, which they will never get in a deal. Therefore they will never make a deal, and continue the war for the next 10 years, in which case they will still not have Odessa.

[@johnnycracker8191]

@@LeftWingNationalist It is possible, either Trump will force Putin to accept those terms, or the USA will unconditionally arm Ukraine until russia collapses.

[@11RESERVERED]

Z might as well just admit he gets money from Russia since his takes are almost all on their side

[@jehandesains8674]

facts. He even brought in a literal Russian propagandist for half the video. He might as well have simply shown a recording of Putin and say "this is what my great leader says".

[@dariuszgaat5771]

Ukrainian troll.

[@malakoihebraico2150]

There's a shock when you see only Ukraine mainstream hopium and someone explodes your bubble. But you can always dismiss it as being russian bots, right? lol

[@jehandesains8674]

@@malakoihebraico2150 there's a shock when you see only Russian copium and someone explodes your bubble. But you can always dismiss it as being Ukrainian hopium, right? Lol.

[@Elbombisima]

I don't even think he is a Russian propagandist, I think he just knows nothing. Even his "russia favourable" peaece agreement is unacceptable by either party. He is just throwing stuff in there.

[@Rensune]

The reason both Ukraine and Russia would benefit from a ceasefire is because certain factions will stop at NOTHING to escalate that war. With a ceasefire they have no cover to do so.

[@jartanis690]

I very much disagree with the saying that Trump would be a back stabber. Ukraine is in a lose lose situation. They either give up half their territory to stop the war now or the war keeps going and Russia gets all their territory. Not to mention you guarantee WW3 in the event that Russia is told they get less than half or if Russia get 100%. I would like to make note that when I say half I'm referring to the Dnipro River. Ukraine isn't treaty based like Japan and Korea. If it was the USA would be at war with Russia right now.

[@maybenations]

US dossn't decide to see itself as a backstabber, it is up to US "Allies". And while many US people would be okay with that loss, or even posit that their allies have no real alternative, being slowly cut off from the world and treated like Brazil or India is, probably isn't the hope of many in US. As many have seen, there is no taboo on interfering with elections or economy in US anymore. In two decades, let's say, a fringe group in Texas or Cali will try to organize support for seccesion they may get political & personnel support from Europe and Russia, material from China, and contraband from China aligned Africa, with which they bribe and dine until their popularity/influence starts creating troubles for the country as a whole. It took US 80 years to get rid of the Mafias, and even Pariahs like Iran, Pakis or Saudis have managed to support criminal organizations to disturb US social order succesfully. M.z said that US doesn't want enemies, but it unfortunately has rivals. US has been seen as a flaky friend since its independence, but being seen as a rival thorough the world would be way worse.

[@robert8659]

maybe you should have left "history legends" at home. He did not contribute as much as he acted like he did.

[@ThisGuyAd.]

I don't think there is any way the Ukrainians are going to seed territory that hasn't been fought over like chernihiv, sumy, and kharkiv.

[@the_kekromancer9779]

They don't have a choice in the matter, if they don't want to russia will just take it directly

[@ThisGuyAd.]

​@@the_kekromancer9779 I mean Russia is trying its best right now and its still a while away, but maybe. Im not sure thats how the Ukrainians see it but we'll have to see.

[@Njerimebanane]

​@@the_kekromancer9779I want to see russia try to take kharkiv city. Its the second biggest city in ukraine. The russian army would need years and hundres of thousands of soldiers to take it.

[@diogomelo7897]

For that thing to happen, I assumed he was considering that im this scenario, Russia managed to make big advancements by the time the negotiations happen and/or Ukraine has already suffered so much attrition that it can no longer keep it going without the west increasing their support

[@firewarp8819]

@@the_kekromancer9779 let them try the more ukraine and russia fight the more the usa benefits

[@3bostonboys]

Tbh if Trump completely cuts off Ukraine I think they’ll just develop nuclear weapons and unironically might start WWIII (contrary to internet opinion Ukraine still has the materials and capabilities to build nuclear weapons + they had them for decades, and Zelensky apparently said building nukes was his only option if he was cut off from support).

[@KommunistUSSR2.0]

Максимум грязная бомба. И ядерное оружие ещё доставить надо.

[@SA-he5vh]

Will never happen. Russia wont allow them to have nukes without a fight. Ukraine wont build nukes they will buy them and without America backing Ukraine Russia would mow right over them. It would have happened already without us sending so much support

[@michaellynes3540]

Ukraine might lose territory, but Russia is the real loser. The Russian military weren’t fully prepared for the invasion and the battle doctrine is extremely poor.

[@thomaswatson1739]

There saving Europe from the degenerate west

[@AK-vr8el]

The US doesn't have any vested interests in Ukraine. So I think Russia will get the territory they've claimed, and Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO. As for the Asian countries like Taiwan, they have no reason to be worried bc the US has vested interests in the region.

[@andrewspears8891]

That's not what the perception would be. The perception would be that America let a rival state take territory from an ally state.

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

I don’t think you understand how perception matters in foreign politics. The world will see this as america being weak. If the fail to protect Ukraine, this world order where land grabs are unthinkable will fall. Way more countries will start invading others, especially China. Look at what happened before world war 2 when the British and the French allowed the Germans to invade Austria, the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia. Did Germany stop expanding?

[@epicsouththeoduskiangamer]

The vested interest is our sunk costs, just like in Afghanistan.

[@Njerimebanane]

Giving up ukraine is giving up all of europe.

[@danielmcguire7344]

​@@Njerimebananewhy is that? Poland, romania and the Baltic states are still part of nato and an attack on one is an attack on all.

[@JohnSmith-xl3ju]

I'll start off by saying that you did a great job pronouncing those Ukrainian oblasts, better then most mil-bloggers that say them a lot more often. However this Video is bad, sorry there is no other way of putting it. It's laughable to say Russia would get Odessa. That's not going to happen, at the rate they're going it would take some 300 years to conquer all of Ukraine. They have no naval activity in the black sea since 3/5 of their battle cruisers have been sunk. Their landing ships destroyed. Your friend you invited on is acting as though he hasn't payed attention to what Trump had said previously, that if Russia doesn't agree to peace he would flood Ukraine with weapons. What incentive do they have? Video is plain bad and misinformed.

[@javier8015]

It's a war of attrition like ww1. In that kind of war it doesn't matter how much land you take but the state of your army. Ukraine army is already collapsing so no it wouldn't take 300 years.

[@bobostor5]

Mate, russians ran out of missiles and shells two years ago. They took 1/5th of Ukraine territory with just shovels. Why the hell, you decided that they need fleet to take Odessa?

[@bobostor5]

And just in the name of the MATH : Twenty percent of the territory for two and a half years. That makes Ten more years and they would be at the polish border. Don't underestimate the power of The Trench Shovel!

[@c.g.5293]

Conquer Odessa? With what navy? And crossing the Dnieper river again? Dude, your being s try stupid

[@hellgates_javed6451]

"With what navy" Russia has the second strongest navy

[@parlyramyar]

with Russia's navy. you are the same nafo that kept saying Ukraine is gonna take back Crimea by summer of 23. sit tf down already

[@ohnoes3084]

​@@hellgates_javed6451the Russian Black Sea Fleet was forced to retreat from Coastal anti-ship missile batteries, they likely can't take it amphibiously

[@hellgates_javed6451]

@@ohnoes3084 didn't the Black Sea fleet launch a missle attack recently?

[@ohnoes3084]

@hellgates_javed6451 yeah a missile attack, they aren't sunk or out of the fight but they sure as hell aren't getting anywhere near the Ukrainian coast

[@BogdanMariusCalapod]

The sound effects in the video being a notification sound my computer does drives me crazy

[@erpega]

I was a citizen of Makyivka before 2014, then we moved to Trostyanec, Sumy oblast where we had some close people. Now I live in Jordan, and I want to tell you one thing: I dont want any of our territory to be annexed, and if it will happen - i will go back to my country and continue the fighting. Blood will not stop, the oppression will continue, and even more people will be dying, so Trump better think about stopping Putin and his crazy ambitions.

[@zed9095]

You can try going now 🤣

[@erpega]

@zed9095 I won't, because I have family that I have to look after. What are you doing for the world, if you are telling me to do something?

[@zed9095]

@@erpega bold words, big words. Internet larpers are cringe

[@erpega]

@@zed9095 sure...

[@Bradblox]

Mr Z and History Legends is like some RFK jr and Trump kinda collab

[@Christian-fn6yu]

Looks like a crap ton of ICBM

[@turtlenecksarepoggers]

You are completely misrepresenting and misunderstanding the situation on the ground. Ukraine's gains in Kursk are not "insignificant." In fact, they captured 1300 sq km of Russian land in Kursk, which is roughly the same amount of territory Russia has seized in Eastern Ukraine since August 1st. Russia's monthly losses in Ukraine are also now outweighing the monthly male birthrate in the country, or roughly 50,000 troops a month. Additionally, Russia is running out of old Soviet tanks and artillery to send to the frontlines due to the fact that they've lost 8600 tanks (including their entire modern fleet of armored vehicles) over the course of the war. While the situation is far from great for Ukraine, and yes, they rely on Western aid, Russia has suffered insurmountable losses in lives, money, and equipment. Russia would also be incredibly fucked if they refuse to come to a fair peace deal, since Trump has promised to send a crap ton more aid if Russia is unwilling to compromise.

[@Shik0njuul934]

Autism tier comment

[@Red-Check-Mark]

"Ukraine's gains in Kursk are not "insignificant." In fact, they captured 1300 sq km of Russian land in Kursk, which is roughly the same amount of territory Russia has seized in Eastern Ukraine since August 1st." -I can immediately tell you are ignorant and so far behind the situation in Kursk, buddy. Thanks to massively successful counter offensives by Russia, Ukraine's occupied territory of Kursk has shrunk by half. And Ukraine continues to see immense losses on the frontlines in Kursk; losing their best brigades to Russian forces daily. "Russia's monthly losses in Ukraine are also now outweighing the monthly male birthrate in the country, or roughly 50,000 troops a month." -Straight false. Thanks to Russia annexing the territory, where hundreds of thousands of pro-Russian people live, Russia has a vast pool of people willing to fight for Russia in order to keep the land under Russian control. Russia's birthrate is one of the highest in all of Europe, surpassing Ukraine ever since the war started. Russia doesn't have a demographic problem like Ukraine does. Much of the people who left Russia have returned, and Putin has incentivised foreigners and tourists to come to Russia for housing, benefits, and other amenities. The numbers you are claiming of loses per month are fabricated and nonsense by the Ukraine Ministry of Defense, the same department that said they had only lost about 30,000 troops since the start of the war and that Russia ran out of missiles two years ago. You're full of bullshit. "Additionally, Russia is running out of old Soviet tanks and artillery to send to the frontlines due to the fact that they've lost 8600 tanks (including their entire modern fleet of armored vehicles) over the course of the war." -Again, wrong. Pulling numbers from the snakes of the Ukraine MoD doesn't make them true. Russia has not lost nearly that many tanks or armored vehicles. Unlike Ukraine, Russia is actually smart with their armor and is superior in armor combat. Plus, Russia fazed out much of their stockpile during the war and has been able to manufacture brand new tanks of their latest models faster than NATO countries can manufacture theirs. Russia also surpasses all of NATO combined on producing arms, including artillery shells. "...Russia has suffered insurmountable losses in lives, money, and equipment. Russia would also be incredibly fucked if they refuse to come to a fair peace deal, since Trump has promised to send a crap ton more aid if Russia is unwilling to compromise." -Not really. Russia has suffered, at most a couple hundred thousand losses and a couple thousand of their armor going down. Russia is set to increase their military to become the world's largest, while most militaries are set to reduce their numbers due to poor recruitment efforts, including the US. Hell, the UK is set to scrap some of their warships, their helicopters, and other military vehicles, even calling on their population to "prepare for war" considering their shitty numbers. As for Trump saying what he said, that was far from true. Trump has no respect for Chumplensky and would never help him out. Trump merely said that to shut up people like Chumplensky. Trump will always pick the side of power and strength to win, and that side is Russia. The US would also face threats of nuclear escalation now that Putin is willing to use unstoppable ICBM's to strike targets if the US decides to flood Ukraine with weapons. Either way, Ukraine has a massive manpower shortage and demographic problem that no flood of weapons or equipment is going to fix. Without the manpower, the weapons become useless...or end up on display in Moscow. XD

[@frontiervirtcharter]

@@Red-Check-Mark Notice that Putin sent the IRBM's to a city that had did not have any Patriot missiles... Also, what good is producing massive amounts of shells if the stockpiles are detonated at the storage yards, in one case with an explosion that registered on earthquake detectors a thousand miles away..

[@Greg-j4j7h]

Aren’t they bogged down in Kursk?

[@drifrer007]

@@Red-Check-Mark In the territory russia annexed it gained probably very little people due to the terror of civilians and constant shelling

[@esense9602]

No way in hell Russia accept ceasefire when the clauses at first looks like it's favorable for Ukraine but in the long run disadvantageous to Russia.

[@firewarp8819]

No way in hell Ukriane accept ceasefire when the clauses at first looks like it's favorable for Russia but in the long run disadvantageous to Ukriane.

[@El_Presidente_5337]

Reminder that Russia advanced like 29 kilometers from Donezk onwards since 2022 lol

[@KommunistUSSR2.0]

Через города-крепости, которые были построены, чтобы разрушить российскую армию. Не на 29 км, а на 45 км.

[@javier8015]

How far into Germany did the allies get in ww1 before Germany surrendered

[@retroas2683]

Also, we aren't looking for territorial gain. We are looking for no NATO at our boarders. Aka, under no condition any part of Ukraine would be in NATO or have any european troops there.

[@vihurah9554]

thats neither going to happen or in any way reasonable. russian thinks they can aggress and not have to suffer geopolitically? even if they give up everything east of the Dnieper theyll be in nato

[@kevincabral4657]

Russia annexed territories. Wtf you mean they don’t want territorial gain??

[@Oliver-cv6pv]

Who are you russians trying to fool? Who think that in the west everyone is that stupid and uneducated like the MAGA supporters?

[@catmonarchist8920]

You've had NATO on your borders for 70 years

[@mmesasquatchy7795]

Best collab ever!!! Love history legends

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For keeping US updated! Your hardwork is always appreciated 😊😊😊😊😊

[@GabrielPinewood]

ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe