How Ukraine’s Airborne Squads Became Less Russian

[@BattleOrder]

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[@pyeitme508]

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[@Channel-sp3fp]

In 2018, an Aslt Bde got turned into an additional Aslt Div. They had an additional 2 brigades, a Command Bde (VDV commander-in-chief) and a Logistics brigade. Alongside 2 training regiments, and an exclusive training facility in the arctic.

[@HikerBikerMoter]

when a u.s. airborne division landed in iraq they asked to have their humvees replaced with bradleys because they kept running over mines and getting killed as a result. Basically when airborne lands and the area is secured and theyre not sent back home, theyre given vehicles and become a mechanized division

[@alexeysergeev9128]

На данный момент вдв уже превратились в элитные мотострелковые части

[@ComfortsSpecter]

As Always Airborne Is Air Then They transfer to whatever the Contextual Generic Mechanized Template Is Typically the most Medium generic

[@yuriyseliuk4120]

@@alexeysergeev9128 на данный момент вдв уже нормально припакетили :)

[@thelentm]

@@alexeysergeev9128 настолько элитные что всосали нац. гвардии из срочников

[@fridrekr7510]

If you’re doing more Ukrainian content I’d love to see some on their Assault Brigades. They seem to be structured basically like mechanised infantry but include both mechanised and “assault” companies. I thought it might just have been a label applied to elite veteran units, but there has both been conversions of old units and creations of new ones that started off with the “assault” label.

[@glenchen5723]

3rd Assault Brigade Orbat plz

[@CS-vs6wn]

​@@glenchen5723facts they have been kicking ass

[@bowenfan4489]

​@@CS-vs6wnsource?

[@zev0202]

@@bowenfan4489 they took andriivka and klischiivka during the summer counter offensive by themselves, they seem to be more trained than regular ukrainian units too. i guess theyre overglorified to an extent because of their videos but their videos are pretty intense and theyre one of only a few units that post videos like that

[@chiken6559]

Ukrainians are short on young manpower and equipment. Assault Brigades concentrate quality equipment and young soldiers within them while regular Mechanized Brigades can be left understrength as they're not playing a role as important as Assault Brigades do.

[@elgenerico6263]

A friend of my family was a driver-mechanic of an armored vechicle in the 95th Air Assault Brigade. He died fighting in November 2023. Rest in peace, Oleksandr. Glory to the heroes.

[@archiegeorge3969]

The VDV squads took quite heavy casualties in the built up area fighting during the invasion. Do you think that the small squad with so many heavy weapons prevented them from training effectively for CQB?

[@mrdboy1210]

I don't think the VDV took heavy casualties due to lack of training, it was ultimately more about the ill fated operation they were sent to complete that cost them so much casualties. For the bit of footage I have seen, VDV troops at Antonov and then later at Bucha, looked quite well trained compared to regulars of ground troops at that time, of course this might have been even more extrapolated by the fact russian conscripts were part of the original invasion force. They knew what they were doing and did the best with what they had, little manpower and a lot of heavy weapons on vehicles.

[@somebody7337]

​@@mrdboy1210 well said

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

⁠@@mrdboy1210 while I do agree with most of your comment, I do also recall a moment during the assault on Antonov where a couple of VDV members ran in front of a squad made who just set up a firing position. I think not running in front of your squad mades when they’re about to shoot is pretty basic training

[@henrik_worst_of_sinners]

Russian casualties are very exaugurated. If Russia was losing as many men as they try to convince us of, Russia would have had to do more than one mobilization. Ukrainian casualties are on the other hand understated. It has been said that Ukraine would never have man power problems. But even the Western media is not admitting this is the case. Don't be surprised if a million Ukrainian men have fallen. I know it sound incredible, but according to its own rhetoric this must be the case du to my former point. This blood is on westerners hands who forced Russia to this.

[@belgianfried]

​@@yarnickgoovaerts Aha yeah. They flagged each other during the initial drops/dismounting a lot

[@123asap6]

Medic Rifleman reminds me a lot of battlefield 4, where the medic does double duty as the assault. You dish some damage, you heal some damage.

[@fridrekr7510]

When are medics not riflemen though? Most infanteers are basically riflemen, some just have additional weapons to fulfill other roles. You don't see squad level medics only being issued pistols or machine guns these days.

[@ernstbergerbrent]

Man that's different ammo types in a squad. 5.45x39/7.62x39, 7.62x54, and 7.62x51

[@janci9047]

Logistical nightmare lol

[@bruh.3578]

Some units in Dshv even had 5.56 weapons by the way

[@malcolm5514]

@@bruh.3578 ya I was going to say, the Tavor is in 5.56 🤣🤣

[@bruh.3578]

@@malcolm5514 never seen it. in fact, it is quite rare in the military, and mostly made in 5.45 caliber (although the magazines are similar to STANAG). But I know for sure that some battalions (reconnaissance, stormtroopers) use 5.56, for example, the 80th brigade or the cadets in military universities at the faculties of air assault operations

[@copter2000]

@@ernstbergerbrent Ukrainian logistic officers are on a suicide watch.

[@honzabalak3462]

10:06 - That is neither an AK-74M, nor an AK-12. This is probably the best photo we have to date of an old Soviet AK-74 equipped with an "Obves" modernisation kit, which gives it a folding stock capability and an optics rail (while also downgrading the rear iron sight in the process which sucks when you aren't issued an optic in the first place). It's a fairly niche and uncommon variant among Russian AKs. The original info from a couple of years ago when these kits were brand new stated that AKs modernised in this way were meant for border guard units but eventually the rifles found their way to the battlefields of Ukraine.

[@Игорьсуздальский]

Nah bro, this is ak-12. So, you just wasted your time

[@Smertofon]

Obves is not a name of modernisation kit, obves is name FOR modernisation kit( обвес ), usually ak in such kind of squads are customized by soldiers themselves. Hope this helps

[@honzabalak3462]

​@@Игорьсуздальский AK-12's stock hinge is built directly into the receiver (just like on the AKS-74 and AK-74M). Here it's on a separate block instead. That's a telltale sign of an upgrade kit installed on a formerly fixed stock AK. Not to mention that the back of the top dust cover is visible, with a "bulge" attached to the top rail. Again a specific feature of the kit. AK-12's dust cover has nothing in that spot, just a flat plate. The cover of the AK-12 is secured differently than on all previous AKs - by a pin in the front instead of the spring guide in the back. Do us all a favour: don't comment unless you actually know what you are looking at.

[@Psitau]

Bah humbug

[@CS-vs6wn]

Lol this is an upgraded ak-74m which serves alongside the ak-12k

[@paperbackwriter9690]

Look at you sneaking in that HOI4 sound effect at 0:18 thinking no one would notice. 😏

[@Corium1]

Is russia still calling the war a "special military operation"?

[@johnfrost1814]

Yeah, formally yes they still do. It is a law to call it like that, or you would be arrested and charged. Source: I speak Russian and have friends there.

[@copter2000]

​@@johnfrost1814Why don't they call it a war already?

[@ДмитрийЛайкин-ц7з]

@@copter2000 because this military operation, goals and objectives are not intended to capture Ukraine

[@copter2000]

@@ДмитрийЛайкин-ц7з Then what are they fighting for???

[@Gypsum179]

​@@copter2000they are trying to take what they can without embarrassing themselves further. If they call it a war and they only get 20% of the country they will look worse.

[@corncobber665]

I like the fact you added a splash of humor in the video. I hope to see it again in the future!

[@Fake_Dozer]

1:44 akimbo eagle 🤣

[@tartzmir7934]

Same same, but different, but also the same, but different

[@JanZizka-fk8im]

Best paratroopers is space marine

[@RT-rx2sj]

For the emperor!

[@cjthebeesknees]

ODST

[@chrispanca1590]

New drinking game; Take a shot everytime Battle Order talks about the Russian and Ukrainian Airborne

[@matthayward7889]

Cheers. Now im an alcoholic 🍻

[@RandomGuy-hr8sb]

Also works with French recon forces

[@theconqueringram5295]

This is an insightful little video.

[@TheOnlyBonsai]

Can't wait for 2024 edition of Top 10 Airborn Squad Doctrine of the world video

[@ComfortsSpecter]

Incredible Historical breakdown Sad Inefficiency Amazing how far They’ve gone in Spite of It

[@Emberontarget]

I don't know if anyone else is saying it but I'm loving the medal of honor music 😊

[@Feezec]

Do the Ukrainians still train for air insertion, xor is the airborne/air mobile label fully vestigial?

[@fridrekr7510]

Only the 25th Airborne Brigade still has some capability left.

[@blackkyiv]

I believe all UA Air Assault units train for air insertions on helicopters, but no “il-76 raining BMDs and paratroopers” type of stuff. While airmobile were made so their equipment can more easily fit into a plane and moved around. But now it doesn’t really matter, because heli air assault are extremely risky and there’s no need to move brigades around on planes, so air assault are treated just as an elite force used to fix problems on the frontline.

[@Bayomeer]

Inserting any large airborne formations such as brigades/divisions nowadays is suicide. There are way too many losses during the approach and landing; too many air assets required to carry them in and supply them later (if resupply is possible at all) & the airborne units are too lightly armed to effectively fight off armored/mechanized counterattacks.

[@saturnv2419]

Western squad: We should consider logistics and standardized ammo within the squad, so everyone uses one type of ammo and perhaps just another for the DMR. Ukrainian squad: 3 types of 7.62mm, with completely different length and not compatible. Take it or leave it.

[@fridrekr7510]

A lot of Western squads use two types of ammo in their infantry squads, so it's really just two vs three. 7.62x39mm isn't that widely used by Ukraine anymore outside of training.

[@czwarty7878]

"not compatible" even if you have weapons in same caliber you still need separate ammo for rifle (ball), sniper/DMR (match) and MG (belted tracer/AP/API). You may as well just have extra caliber and it barely changes anything. I have no idea from where this weird imagination about more calibers ruining "standardization" or "logistics" comes from. Were the US having logistical breakdown when they introduced .30 Carbine? Germans with 7.92 Kurz? Russians now sometimes have 5.45, 7.62x39, two types of 7.62x54, and 9x39 in their squads. It changes nothing.

[@shaolinmatadordeporco4246]

Nice video, but when are we getting the Brazil video?

[@rune.theocracy]

SAME SAME BUT DIFFERENT!

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

The first two photos are meme material. Ukrainian guys look about to fall asleep on their feet while russian ones look very upset about something.

[@aaronstreeval3910]

Why have we seen so few BMD 1s , with the losses Russia is taking I would have assumed they would be pulling some BMD 1s out of storage for the VDV

[@catritonix]

soviets probably produced Enough bmd2s to not run out for a while even with insane casualties

[@chiken6559]

A lot of VDV units are probably being equipped with BMPs instead which are simply a better vehicle. Similar practice happened during Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan where VDV units brought BMPs and BTRs with them instead of BMDs as former were simply a better option for the mission. Since they're not doing any paradrops there is no reason to compromise by taking a worse vehicle.

[@alexeysergeev9128]

Потому что есть бмп-3

[@StacheMan26]

Really, this just makes BMD mounted VDV look even more anemic manpower wise, and they already looked like they could be rendered combat ineffective by a stiff breeze. I understand that in the context of the Cold War exploding into a conventional war in Europe they weren't exactly expected to have a long combat lifespan post drop, but even in that context, and especially for the conditions of modern warfare, I personally think they would've been better off splitting the airborne IFV requirement into an airborne APC (such as the ones they acquired for specialist and command roles) and an airborne fire support vehicle. Put the infantry in the former, with a couple more dismounts per squad to beef them up, and attach the latter at a ratio of roughly one per infantry platoon, probably organized as a platoon at company level or coy. at battalion level that could be concentrated or doled out as needed.

[@norbi1411]

That't wouldn't mix well with reality of airborne operations. What if you loose all the the fire support vehicles during drop?

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

I assume they tried to pack as much firepower as possible into as little vehicles as possible because they knew they wouldn’t be able to airdrop large amounts of vehicles

[@LoisoPondohva]

VDV was created (and it's ethos is still to the large part remains such) as a diversion and exploitation force. "Paratrooper's lifespan is 15 minutes" is not just a dark joke, it was an official position and quote is verbatim from the mouth of the head of VDV in the late 60s. And it was a point of pride to them, too. BMD was envisioned as a mix between a scout car and a mobile HMG nest, never intended to fight anything more than rear security forces, military police and convoy escorts. The whole doctrine was "drop deep, do as much infrastructure/logistics damage as possible, have a valiant stand once the bigger enemy response arrives, and pack light because you're not expected to be there for dinner". In that context, BMD perfectly fits the doctrine. Since then, of course, doctrinally VDV has become in effect a rapid response/air assault force in the Russian military. And in that context yeah, BMD isn't impressive. To be fair though, neither are the available replacements. Both BMP and BTR are not much better protected/armed.

[@alexeysergeev9128]

Факт в том, что видео уже устарело и российские вдв на данный момент являются элитной мезанизированной пехотой

[@LoisoPondohva]

@@alexeysergeev9128 have you watched it though? He does talk about it. Most of the point of the video is, to a degree, that for THAT ROLE BMD lacks firepower.

[@rhythmandacoustics]

2:15 Sneakers lol

[@ФедяКрюков-в6ь]

Why do you compare air assault units with airbourne units? Russian air assaulr units have a different toe

[@BattleOrder]

The squads are identical

[@ФедяКрюков-в6ь]

@@BattleOrder you mean, according to a 10 years old education document you found openly available in the internet which don't even have air assault battalion toe for reasons, only mountain air assault battalion?

[@rick7424]

@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь Your insults are hollow.

[@ФедяКрюков-в6ь]

@@rick7424 my what?

[@AlexanderArk]

Please do a video about Ukraine Naval infantry

[@Corindon]

Hello. Could you please do an explanation of the Canadian CSOR regiment. Thanks. Also great video.

[@28ebdh3udnav]

I am somewhat surprised we didn't see thousands of Toyota Hilux trucks with mortars, machine guns, and recoilless rifles attached to other vehicles. Similar to how ISIS was able to take over mosul in a blitz.

[@МаксимП-щ3ъ]

In fact, Ukraine uses thousands of pickup trucks, minibuses and just cars to deliver personnel and military logistics in the operational rear. But even there, these cars last on average from a week to a month. They will live on the front line for a few minutes, but most likely they will simply not reach the front. In Ukraine, the density of artillery fire and mining of the area is tens of times higher than in the Middle East. This is not to mention the FPV drones that both sides use.

[@MestruTrmonen]

man i love this type of vids, i have to say Sorry, i Watch Ur vids soo much that i notice now that i wasn't subscribed.

[@zaco-km3su]

The Ukrainian Air Assault Forces have become a rapid deployment force similar to the US Marine Corps.

[@Municute109]

Thanks for the 1(one) subscriber😊😊

[@MissCheeseE]

Excluding conscripts, Russian soldiers are good, the problem lies in the officers. When I served in the Russian military I saw many defects: * Inter-service rivalry and lack of will to cooperate * Prideful officers making bad decisions * Corruption in the higher spheres * Higher ups applying obsolete tactics, thinking they can apply the same doctrine anywhere. * Lack of independence in the lower stratum. Among others.

[@axdde6428]

ok japan

[@MissCheeseE]

@@axdde6428 I case you didn’t know Russian military has accepted foreigners within its ranks since 2010.

[@bruh.3578]

​@@axdde6428 любитель РСОТМ порвался?)

[@abbottshaull9831]

@@MissCheeseE The Soviet Union had plenty of foreigners in their ranks during WWII. Ironic that recruit from your Prisoner of War population. Ask the Germans how that worked out for them.

[@MissCheeseE]

@@abbottshaull9831 people recruited from among the prisoners and inmates are considered conscripts, not career soldiers.

[@Deki_Srpska]

A video on the future Swedish army with the new equipment and rifles

[@sunnycat69]

Vdv is still a thing ? 400+ gkt smoked in the air the rest got pushed off their objectives by natty gaurd units lol

[@ga98361]

Looking at equipment and tactics it’s no surprise

[@1Beta1]

They didn't get annihilated so they still pop up from time to time

[@ga98361]

@@1Beta1 probably not the whole regiment/brigade but just individual BTG being destroyed

[@1Beta1]

@@ga98361 Yeah

[@StunKickTot]

Typical couch potato general comment. If you don´t have clue about tactics and logistics stfu. Whenever the enemy uses airborne forces that is where you have to put your military focus and crush it with Mech/armoured forces. Ukraine did this with Speznas and mech airborne forces of their own (not just territorial guards). The biggest problem of the vdv was, that they did not fly in the second wave equipment (BMD-4 etc.)

[@ScreamingSturmovik]

why call them a "life saver" instead of a medic? also i find it funny how all these "airborne" units have become mechanized or motorized

[@BattleOrder]

Combat lifesavers aren't really fully trained medics. They're basically riflemen who also have a bare minimum medical training to stop the bleed and do pre-treatment during the period when a full medic can't get to them. They save lives mainly because they are able to be proliferated to the point where the injuries happen

[@abbottshaull9831]

That has been how Airborne unit were organized in the former Soviet Army since the time when entire Soviet Army was Mechanized in the 50's and 60's. This Mechanization also helps to explain why the Soviet Air Force couldn't Airlift much more than few Airborne Regiments at any one time. Also remember every Soviet Army also had Air Assault or Airmobile Brigades, which were basically Motorized Rifle Brigades that were trained in Airmobile operations. The Brigade dismounts could be airlifted by helicopter to areas behind enemy lines, as the vehicles would fight their way to the Airhead. Much like we seen how Airborne and Air Assault units were deployed during the early push to Kiev. Only thing was the Vehicles got clogged up in the massive traffic jam that caused the 40 Km parking lot.

[@ScreamingSturmovik]

@@abbottshaull9831 still a strange way of doing it, it's not like the 101 airborne rode in trucks up "hell's highway" in '44, that was up to the Armoured and Infantry Divisions

[@czwarty7878]

@@ScreamingSturmovik Airborne were deployed in trucks during Battle of the Bulge

[@waaki]

"Same same, but different"

[@BattleOrder]

What a movie that was

[@AlexThetankI]

We have different faces, but Inside we are same same. Same same but different , but still same

[@tongxia6557]

Imagine the United States is fighting a war for the first month and the 101st and 82nd Divisions and the 173rd Brigade are out of combat effectiveness or wipe out 😮😮

[@cloaker2829]

That is definitely a possibility if it is a near peer or peer to peer war.

[@sababugs1125]

​@@cloaker2829the only neer peer power to the USA are probably the Martians

[@johnfrost1814]

It is a possibility if they are fighting a new peer war. I am pretty much sure that it would be an outcome if the US command decides to send those divisions in some sort of airborne operation in China. The main difference between Russians and Americans would be public outcry. Americans are not used to see high losses, it would definitely amount in to something. Right now, it is estimated that Russians are losing around 1-2 thousand soldiers per week, reaching 3-5 thousands when they are attacking some strongholds. I am pretty much sure such losses would cause a shock wave in American society.

[@dvazquez5652]

You mean the next time the US fights a war against a peer competitor

[@tongxia6557]

@dvazquez5652 No, I mean it took the Russians 30 years to convince the world how bad ass they were and only 30 days to show how their broken ass

[@MP.4_EXE]

whatever how strong your army are,If your commander are Dumb sh"t, you'll fu*k up. (Sorry about my grammar 😢)

[@Guusvv]

Hey man great video. Could you make a video about the dutch marines platoon. I am training to become a luitenant in the marines i would like to know how they work. Thank you for your videos

[@oriolguerrero1702]

If you were trully training to be a comissioned officer then maybe dont take info or advice from the internet and use official resources, wild guess i know.

[@Jin15-1]

First of all, I would like to thank the channel for their efforts in creating these great graphics. Despite the numerical disadvantage of the dismounted infantry, the BMD of the Russian VDV outperforms all the APC&IFV operated by the Ukrainian airborne troops. Even the Stryker APC of the Ukraine 82nd Air assault Brigade, the best-armored Western-made weapons, cannot withstand the armor-piercing shells fired from the 30mm auto cannon. The Russian VDV also responds by equipping the squad with two PKP machine guns or increasing the number of dismounted infantry to eight instead of internal boarding. The organization of the unit can change at any time in the battlefield, and the Russian VDV is proving its superiority with outstanding performance.

[@SpaceMan650]

Day 3 of asking mr battle order to do the aus army

[@tando6266]

You need to stop using marksman and sniper interchangeably, they are not the same in most military including the Ukrainian Ground Forces.

[@BattleOrder]

The Ukrainians and Russians doctrinally call them Snipers (Снайпер) even though the low-level ones are more similar to what a western country would call a marksman or maybe a sharpshooter

[@LackofFaithify]

That finally explains why the mirror lies........

[@RustyBear]

Isn’t the Fort 600 GL used by Ukrainian Air Assault?

[@bruh.3578]

in fact, the supply of ammunition is chaotic, both territorial defense and special operations forces have Fort 6000

[@RustyBear]

@@bruh.3578 doesn’t it use 40mm nato grenades?

[@bruh.3578]

@@RustyBear Yes, but not everyone is suitable. You can use the M433, but you cannot use shots for the MK-19 (M430 grenade) because it has a powerful powder charge intended for mounted grenade launchers

[@fourze6113]

VDV? i thought they got extinct

[@bachtruongson9408]

not really, they've been quiet since Bakhmut but they're still show up from time to time, not large scale tho

[@arsenalofdemocracy9985]

isnt a whole brigade got wiped out in vovchansk last month？

[@Dankseid-o1u]

Market Garden did not render the British Airborne extinct

[@MestruTrmonen]

After hostomel they have been quite due to high losses, during wagner succes Russia managed to Rebuild them. rn they're like 4 battalions at the back of robitine, 1 at avideevka and 1 at vovchansk, also they were attacking Chasiv yar from 4 monts at this point. The fact that they are so "silent" is because Russia mainly use conscript in 1st line and special forces in 2nd line in case of an attack. Meanwhile ukraine has a deficit in manpower and had to use them almost non-stop (for ex: if we look at what AZOV did during this timeline specialy the ones near center group, they had to fight like 4 months in the ukr counteroffensive, cover the reatreat from avdeevka, hold the russian breaketrough at ocheretnye and now currently fighting near there).

[@pierceplaysstudios245]

I dont know why all these replies are saying the rus VDV had been "quiet." Yeah, they ain't jumping out of helis anymore like it's hostomel, but their still quite active. When the bakhmut campaign was on going, they successfully defeated ukraine's offensive to take Kremmina. Helped Wagner take Soledar defended bakhmut when wagner pulled back after winning. The 76th airborne division (one of the best) was sent to defended robotyne during ukraine's 2023 offensive. They helped clear krynky a bit ago. And now the 98th airborne is taking chasiv yar. And throughout all of this, the Rus VDV has never really lost its quality. The VDV is russia's favorite offensive and defensive units. So they've made sure to keep the force at roughly the same level of quality as it had going into ukraine

[@mrcrecer1312]

The main difference between the Ukrainian and Russian Airborne Forces is that Ukraine does not have enough transport aircraft and helicopters to actually be used in large Airborne Operations. So in fact, only Russia has airborne forces.

[@dashikashi4734]

In reality, neither side has effective airborne forces. The density of MANPADS and Air Defense systems makes the usage of helicopters close to the line borderline impossible.

[@mrcrecer1312]

@@dashikashi4734 Yes, but Russia may well conduct an Airborne Operation if the situation at the front changes, Ukraine cannot. Ukrainian Airborne Forces, Airborne Forces only in words. Call them assault brigades or give the brigade to the Special Operations Forces so long as there is enough transport and call it Airborne Special Forces. How Russia has the 45th separate guard special forces airborne brigade.

[@sircatangry5864]

​@@mrcrecer1312Russia conducted only 1 somewhat successful landing operation - in Hostomel. Other than that, Russias aviation failed to achieve air dominance to continue such operations. The "changes on the Frontline" that you are referring are complete destruction of all Ukrainian anti-air systems, so that air would be clear. In reality landing operations are thing of the past, because today rockets and drones make it hard for anything to land in hostile territory.

[@mrcrecer1312]

@@sircatangry5864 Russia right now may well carry out an Airborne Operation because the Ukrainian air defense does not provide full coverage of the entire territory and the relatively weak, priority task of the Ukrainian air defense is now Kyiv. Ukraine is promoting the arrival of the F-16 as a wunderwaffe that can give them improvements in air defense. But until there is a real breakthrough of the static front and tank troops arrive to the paratroopers, there is no point in the landing operation. The main problem for the Airborne Forces operation for Russia is not air defense but the static front of the First World War.

[@sircatangry5864]

@@mrcrecer1312 Air force is needed to break such static Frontlines. And even when Frontline wasn't static Russia have not used air troops, because of anti air systems. Why vdv was used in ground assaults then?

[@ДенФокс-й4б]

У Украины нет вдв, уж лучше бы сравнили морскую пехоту стран. А насчет потерь ВДВ.. Не знаю теже украинские части постоянно уничтожали, но их восстанавливали. Видимо людям неизвестно что такое пополнение и восполнение потерь.

[@alexeysergeev9128]

Фактически у РФ уже тоже нет вдв, многое изменилось

[@canecorsolifeshorts]

Ну так все в этой войне пехота , ты никуда не полетишь на ан-26 на операцию , ну если полетишь-удачи

[@KuroNekoExMachina]

"Everything is shit in Ruzzia... ...except piss." ~old russian proverb

[@samdumaquis2033]

Ukrainians have enough planes for airborn regiments ?

[@Игорьсуздальский]

No, just formality. Like admirals

[@chaosXP3RT]

Ukrainians always used helicopters and practiced parachuting/assaulting from helicopters

[@samdumaquis2033]

@@chaosXP3RT okay

[@chaosXP3RT]

@@samdumaquis2033 Your welcome :))

[@abbottshaull9831]

Short answer is Nope.

[@Iamabot4708]

Compare vdv squad doctrine 🇷🇺 to airborne squad doctrine 🇺🇲 im intrigued to see any similarities or differences they may have i wish america and russia got along those two together would me a millitary powerhouse.

[@classifiedad1]

US Army infantry squads are all pretty similar to each other, since they’re heavily motorized but rarely mechanized. That is, 9 soldiers with a squad leader and two equal fire teams with a team leader, automatic rifleman, grenadier, and either a rifleman or designated marksman. This extends to Strykers and Bradleys, where each Stryker platoon of 4 vehicles can carry each of the three squad and the weapons section. Bradley platoons also have 4 vehicles, but the reduced space inside and the much greater firepower of the Bradley means that there are no separate weapons squad and they fit three squads broken up into 4 vehicles.

[@fridrekr7510]

That's not really interesting considering that the two forces are nothing alike. What would be more interesting is the strategic thinking that led to the Soviets creating armoured airborne forces instead of the traditional light infantry airborne forces that's seen everywhere else.

[@Gridlocked]

@@fridrekr7510 Something about crossing rivers and fighting within radiated battle-space.

[@이하늘-c3g]

russian airborne force have logistic problem.

[@MissCheeseE]

Leadership.

[@abbottshaull9831]

Only because the over reliance on IFV/APC at Company Level and below.

[@chiefteefteefreturns3320]

Ukrainian airborne forces or Ukrainian air assault units is like saying the moon is made of cheese. What drop transport do Ukraine have to drop airborne forces or even train them. Or air assault units with no real choppers or training to be air assault.

[@norbi1411]

airmobile troops(marines as well) have much higher esprit de corp which makes them more effective on the battlefield. so at the relatively small cost of airborne training you're getting very mobile and elite combat force.

[@chaosXP3RT]

Ukraine has a lot of Mi24 and Mi8's

[@chiefteefteefreturns3320]

@@chaosXP3RT yep and I’m sure they are all top flying condition right now

[@chiefteefteefreturns3320]

@@norbi1411 what airborne training? Via what vehicle and which chute system? I served multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, in 101st, 173rd, 10th mountain, 1st cav you get the jist. But to train even a platoon for air assault or chute it takes lots of logistics and POG’s

[@alexeysergeev9128]

​@@chaosXP3RT10-12 Mi-24 and ~40 Mi-8/17

[@humphrey4976]

Do the Ukrainians have a gay song like the VDV do?

[@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ]

They have a trailer for a failed counteroffensive... I don't think I need to say more.

[@maksgon1555]

@@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ I think the liberated Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions will say more than the so-called Kharkov offensive and the return of the “forever ruSSian” Kherson and Zaporozhye.

[@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ]

@@maksgon1555 imagine saying Ukraine liberated regions where the Russians controlled a single house to inflate Ukrainian successes. Kherson is still 80% held by Russia. Ukraine literally made a trailer of an offensive saying they would reach the sea by the end of Spring 2023 as repeated by Budanov, and then a few days later proceeded to smash their teeth into a brick wall and getting all their precious Nato vehicles destroyed. And now all the great cities taken by Ukraine like Robotyne (pre war pop: 500) have been taken back by Russia. Shall we talk about what happened in Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysichansk, Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Ocheretyne etc?

[@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ]

@@maksgon1555 imagine saying Ukraine liberated regions where the Russians controlled a single house to inflate Ukrainian successes. Kherson is still 80% held by Russia. Ukraine literally made a trailer of an offensive saying they would reach the sea by the end of Spring 2023 as repeated by Budanov, and then a few days later proceeded to smash their teeth into a brick wall and getting all their precious Nato vehicles destroyed. And now all the great cities taken by Ukraine like Robotyne (pre war pop: 500) have been taken back by Russia. Shall we talk about what happened in Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysichansk, Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Ocheretyne etc?

[@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ]

@@maksgon1555 imagine saying Ukraine liberated regions where the Russians controlled a single house to inflate Ukrainian successes. Kherson is still 80% held by Russia. Ukraine literally made a trailer of an offensive saying they would reach the sea by the end of Spring 2023 as repeated by Budanov, and then a few days later proceeded to smash their teeth into a brick wall and getting all their precious Nato vehicles sent to Bandërä. And now all the great cities taken by Ukraine like Robotyne (pre war pop: 500) have been taken back by Russia. Shall we talk about what happened in Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysichansk, Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Ocheretyne etc?

[@mybru1]

Lets not forget about the recent internal ruskie reports stating that an entire vdv brigade has been lost since the start of the war

[@johnfrost1814]

they lost much more. Whole brigades of Marines, airborne troops, GRU special operations, underwater demolition groups, police SWAT teams, internal forces and National Guard troops. Russia lost quite a lot of elite troops in the first year. They still have several elite divisions/brigades in Moscow region, but I am pretty much sure they will not be sent as they serve as a reserve in case another Prigozin will decide to have some fun. Also FSB speical forces teams and SSO, I don't really have information on them, they were absent during Prigozin's actions. it seems like only god knows what they are doing now.

[@alexeysergeev9128]

Где такая сводка?

[@alexeysergeev9128]

​@@johnfrost1814говорят одновременно потеряли целый корпус подводного спецназа

[@abbottshaull9831]

Russia has lost several Airborne and Air Assault Brigade since the war started. Just by the numbers of killed and wounded in the various Brigades that have been deployed to Ukraine. They only will admit to one Brigade size unit to save face.

[@abbottshaull9831]

@@johnfrost1814 Considering that many of these elite Division/Brigade in the Moscow region are Parade units for the most part explains why these Elite unit are still sitting in Moscow.