How Valve Ruined CSGO’s Sequel

[@theletterkei]

JUST SO YOU KNOW: I believe that things are *not* just black and white. This video covers the more objective problems with the game however I don't think CS2 is "dying" and I do think it's gonna be totally fine within a few months. You are also allowed to acknowledge that the game has many flaws without hating everything about it. Valve developers are just people too afterall and I'm sure they're doing what they can. You should watch "What Everyone's Getting Wrong About CS2" to get my honest personal opinion about the game! Although this video is fairly negative that is how I purposely made it to sound more dramatic, the other video shines a more hopeful light on the game that I think you'd appreciate more if you didn't like the negativity in this one.

[@Djinigami]

Why take clips that are sometimes 1-2 months old, where many problems people talk about are already addressed? Valve do a shit ton of work on CS2 right now, the process they are doing is pretty much exactly the same as for csgo.

[@gudtimes6363]

yeah it has flaws. but I always have to laugh at the cs 2 is bad cs 2 is dying comments. If people would remember the changes from 1.5 to 1.6, to from servers to steam as a platform, and to source as a game...the cs2 flaws are nothing in comparison, and gamers sadly have the tendency to be Karens and overreact. just my 2 cents.

[@LeeFall]

CS2 is "dying" stop the copium

[@LeeFall]

@@gudtimes6363 people from 1.5 to 1.6 is not valid my guy in 2023.... just like inflation.. people get poorer CS2 is DEAD. Sorry to burst your bubble. 1800-COPIUM

[@LeeFall]

@@theletterkei I literally dont care buddy lmao To be that narcissistic you think i'm talking to you lmao. Calling your viewers dorks... Very mature...

[@koleszgdanska7149]

They literally removed a finished game to replace it with a beta

[@googoofeesmithersmits4536]

just like overwatch

[@georgegorvaniagerge7077]

@@googoofeesmithersmits4536 but somehow it was worse i though they wouldnt make the same mistake as blizzard but it turns out valve are even more stupid for following bad ideas

[@sugabelie8881]

7000 hours in cs. and I JUST DONT GET IT HOW CAN THEY DONE SUCH A BAD JOB ON CS2. Valve you have a complete game, yeah there are some bugs, but cant you put some effort in to making the new game? Dont get me started on the fking sound and smoke

[@Noriaela]

@@georgegorvaniagerge7077 Overwatch core gameplay is still there and hasn't really changed. Obviously its 5v5 now but at least its sequel didn't break the game to the point where its unplayable for a lot of people.

[@itsHaniiMusic]

That is how sequels work ngl

[@Krrish85]

CS is over 20 years old and people are calling it dead game ten weeks into the new version lol. Give it 12-24 months then we can review the game properly.

[@matthighlights]

24 months 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@schwimm33]

@@matthighlightsSee Csgo Release 😉

[@matthighlights]

@@schwimm33 exactly! if you wanna wait another 2 years 🤣

[@madeanaccounttospillthebor9568]

Not waiting 2 years for arms race. G Stfu

[@seanpinsker3617]

@@madeanaccounttospillthebor9568 Don't you have something else to do while you wait? Csgo isn't everything.

[@fairsaa7975]

The frustration for me is definitiely this, "Fuck you, you can't play the old one anymore." That is being adopted by game companies, same as OW2.

[@starstruckp4808]

My personal issue with CS2 is the removal of content. Achievements, Danger Zone & fun other modes was my “forget this” realization.

[@_Nykolaii_]

same here. it's also visible that the workshop part of the community has already left since almost if not all maps available are 1v1, aim training or such. not a single one with actual effort/content like the adventure maps or actual CS maps to play onto. There are a few hide n seek maps but like... not that many. CS2 feels like a triple A release of a beloved game: all in the graphics, neglect everything else, cut all the stuff that made the original "good".

[@xehP]

removing achievements was a good decision, as a hood handful of them were bugged and impossible to get unless you downgraded your version of CSGO.

[@yunekoVT]

@@xehP they could have just removed a few of them tbf but achievements dont really matter at all

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

My personal issue with CS2 is the fact that it's trash lol.

[@CometAura]

arms race is back :)

[@daisukideshou]

"Oh! A new csgo update! i can't wait to see what they added!" *laptop proceeds to explode upon launch*

[@tappajaav]

de_stroyed

[@yoturaliaz6205]

femboy please date me i swear 🙏🙏🙏 or my brains r getting splattered all over

[@NoNameforreal]

​@@tappajaav 9/10

[@tappajaav]

@@NoNameforreal LETS ROLL-OLL

[@Blackwell0102]

People thought CSGO was the shit sequel and look where that game got us after a few years.

[@theletterkei]

22:22

[@Blackwell0102]

@@theletterkeiyeah exactly brother you know how this shit works

[@BohmanderTCG]

its 2023 and they release an unfinished game pls stfu

[@null0452]

"after few years" lmao

[@DayzWalking]

it still is the shit sequel

[@KastleBoy]

Valve always pulls through, I don't think it'll "die" but I do think Valve pushed CS2 out too fast. They should've still kept CSGO as CSGO while they still have the CS2 beta, and let people in waves like they where doing. It was too rushed and I think if they continued to keep CSGO and CS2 as two different games until they knew the game was ready to be merged it would've been a better outcome.

[@virus4721]

trust me it will die this is the end

[@adamkant439]

@@virus4721 How is it the end everything is fixable the game is good there are just things that should've been fixed before release and pretty much all the issues it has can and will be fixed and people will come back there's to much money invested for this to die.

[@WhatArnuThinks]

@@virus4721 Just a wrong take, its averaging 1.2 million peak players this last month. Valve will fix the game like they did with csgo when it released (because CSGO sucked at launch).

[@schwimm33]

@@virus4721have you played csgo when it launched? It was WAY worse than cs2 currently is. Everything is fixable.

[@HXLproductions]

Well said

[@chef416]

A year later, it's still ass. I just want to play global offensive again with the boys. It's not an exaggeration to say literally nothing feels better in CS2 than it did in CSGO, from movement to shooting to menus. CS lost all soul for a graphics update and remembering it will never not make me sad.

[@AncestorZzZ]

Knowing Valve. Everything dies at "2."

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

As bad as CS2 is it probably will.

[@hearteyedgirl]

team fortress: alyx

[@DodgeThatAttack]

I mean as a tf2 player, I can't say I'm surprised. "We hear you tf2 community" *slaps a 2 onto CS*

[@F-L-E-T]

Portal: Alyx

[@Ramon75474]

Left 4 dead 2

[@zenchanted942]

12:38 literally me, gets a job -> buys a better pc to run cs2 (bought a 144hz monitor a month later too) -> plays singleplayer games instead

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

CS2 sucks so you aren't missing much.

[@seventyfour8256]

@@JohnDoe-cq9no clueless

[@TheMcstevester]

Bro same haha I've got a gaming laptop that I was scrunched in front of so I got a 144hz 1440p monitor and new mouse and keyboard just for cs2. Now I play quake and helldivers

[@drunkhusband6257]

My as well, the only people good at cs don't have jobs

[@user-qv5lr1sy9o]

The reason why Valve didn't just allow CSGO to coexist with CS2 was because they wanted to prevent the CS playerbase to split up into two camps. The same thing happened with CZ and with CSGO and CS Source... Says a lot about them. Instead of making CS2 a much more viable choice they instead decided to kill their old game, so everybody was forced to go to CS2...

[@reng.2588]

Makes sense in a community and business perspective But it's no excuse for Valve to release a half baked game.

[@SergeantGadriel]

why not just add 128 tick no?

[@theletterkei]

@counterstrike2isdead money

[@KastleBoy]

Your point doesn't really make sense when CSGO itself already has their own merged communities. You have the surfers/bhoppers, skin freaks, pros, and casuals. I think they should've stayed with what they where doing. I love Valve as a gaming corporation because of the choices they make and the amount of amazing gaming titles they've created, It's unheard of for Valve to be a "rushing" Dev team. They're usually known for setting a realistic end date but not a "rushed" end date. CSGO won't die, but I do think Valve made a bad decision. I'm not saying it's easy being a dev and making every good decision but at least you know Valve listens to their communities unlike other gaming corporations.

[@ggolden]

who tf liked cz 💀

[@ptr1chr]

"Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever." it feels a bit silly that valve comes out with a great documentary about how much effort and time went into half life one, and then they undercook the release of cs2 and end up missing a ton of stuff.

[@xpr3sss1]

sub tick needed feedback, so it was reasonable. problem is: there's no content and people are cheating because there's no actual punishment for it

[@Ash50250]

I hope some new update adds whats missing, the only time i played cs:go was in an xbox....i hated it so much that the next time i tried any cs game was in cs2

[@alika3651]

saying this quote in the context of cs2 is sooo unserious lmfaooo a bumpy launch was inevitable and valve still needs that community wide feedback to improve the game edit: the reason this quote isnt applicable to cs2 is because. the suck is literally not forever. like. they patched some of the suck out already. compare 2012 csgo with 2022 csgo. they got rid of most of the suck. the release version of csgo was wayy waaayy worse than the release version of cs2. not to mention the fact that in the documentary gaben was referring to critical game design for a singleplayer campaign that has a story, not a multiplayer online shooter.

[@ptr1chr]

@@alika3651 they could still get the feedback from the game while its in beta, the anticheat would be massively improved if they actually had overwatch, which is how they make sure the anticheat is ""up to date"" no overwatch + a lack of content and a ton of pretty serious bugs has made this game feel unfinished imo

[@ptr1chr]

i think it should still have been "in beta" for a little longer

[@useless9805]

Valve had an un killable game and then somehow managed to kill it, fair play it took an unfathomable amount of incompetence that I didn't even think Valve were capable of.

[@zaycs2]

lol ya

[@Engisneed]

The remote host closed the connection on my enjoyment

[@BradM]

Honestly, the biggest issues are the rating system being broken (literal silvers in 15k elo) and the lack of proper anti cheat (I check my demos for demo review to spot my mistakes, but it’s also exposed a lot of cheaters in my matches)

[@xAntoIRL]

Yea I haven't been playing but came back played 1 game and I'm 15 elo lol I'm ass rn might asleep be silver

[@theredgoblin562]

I think its because all the elite players are a lot older now and they dont log on everyday like other competitive games. But cs go elo still tries to reward consistency so the player base becomes more profitable

[@NapOfNaps]

@@theredgoblin562 csgo actually punished activity in terms of elo gain.

[@Nick-ij5nt]

I played a game with my friends last week, we were 4 queueing and our random was 18k. We all dropped 20+ and I think this dude dropped like 7 kills. The whole game he was looking at the floor and dying for free. If I had to guess this dude was probably GN4 at the most in CSGO meanwhile my whole friend group is Global/Faceit 10 players. There needs to be a cap for the ranks that people can can get placed into.

[@malcolmgilmore6025]

You realize that ratings are supposed to settle in over time right..?

[@ak_nY]

This was made 7 months ago and literally nothing has changed

[@zaycs2]

Fr

[@zaycs2]

Still shit

[@bigbelly8649]

If they just got rid of the cheaters most other problems would seem minimal. Its only getting more rampant as time goes on. First time in years ive stepped away from cs.

[@felchamp]

I quit because of it. It's just sad that other people don't agree with me i believe more than 40% of the players are cheating and other people have said to me that i'm crazy and i don't know anything. Trust me, a cheater that cheats will never let you know they're cheating. They try to disguise by dying when being spectated and other stuff. Its so sad.

[@kishi8774]

​ @user-hf5ww1jg7t something you are forgetting, getting into elo hell in prime is absurd.. getting 100+ for a win -400 points for a lose is disgusting (nobody in the fk world knows how the hell those are calculated) , not forgetting valve do shit not just cheaters but the people who afk, i mean, if you have 3000 hs in the game wouldn't affect i guess, could carry, but for begginers or people getting back is just cancer..

[@suntzu6122]

@@kishi8774 ?? Everyone knows how it works. Its MMR / ELO. Go look up glicko 2

[@suntzu6122]

I doubt they can solve the extra peekers advantage situation.

[@HerbaceousM8]

@@suntzu6122 peakers advantage is sorta a non-issue, its more that there is frame latency and packet loss all over so you dont know that someone has peaked you until its too late. the game on LAN feels a hell of a lot better

[@TeamLiquidCS]

This guy CS's.

[@theletterkei]

holy fricken crap lois team liquid csgo commented on my youtube channel !

[@ilovemyhomies32]

omg real teamliquid cs?

[@qrxszn]

yo

[@Mitsuki_4374]

holy

[@blixh3ad]

@@theletterkei real

[@danielnator123456]

I am done playing cs2. Thanks for nothing valve.

[@astromonkey7120]

imagine a competitive game that you literally cannot climb more than half of the ranks due to cheaters.

[@RolandKaos]

My hope when CS2 was announced was pretty simple. 1. 128 tick across the board 2. All the existing maps ported over 3. That's it. Roll out the game and go from there.

[@walaaya2223]

None of that was done

[@kingeling]

I think we can all agree that we never asked for a new tick system, right? Only a higher tickrate.

[@pacomedesalve9774]

valve no want spend 2x money on servers@@kingeling

[@blocksource4192]

@@kingeling they cant do a higher tickrate because it would be literally double the server costs... subtick is the best of both worlds.

[@kingeling]

@@blocksource4192 There are far more problems caused by subtick, it's clearly inferior to 64 tick. They should either give 128 or remain with 64.

[@manducc5290]

i honestly think we have to just wait long enough until they fix the game

[@LeeFall]

not worth the wait to play csgo 1.1 it is the same game just worse... WAKE TF up people

[@barrybobert9294]

Just like every other time

[@Djinigami]

​@@LeeFallyou would 100% have said the same thing about CSGO when it came out, so please stop being dumb.

[@keestojuusto6072]

How long will it take? Csgo didn’t get a proper anti-cheat in 10 years. Why would this be any different? On top of that all the constant bugs. I’ll tell you, it will be a long wait.

[@virus4721]

no one will wait 2 years to valve fix the game trust me for one year cs will lose probably 600-700k players and from that point you can say goodbye to cs and whole franchise because guess what? valve is greedy bastar company who deserve to lose all their money

[@justmrak2690]

my dad had to go back to CS:Source because his pc cant even run CS2, the performance is horrendeous and he cant even play the only game he played anymore

[@Gigakoopz]

4:13 Valve has the money to do so. They are mega rich from milking all of the greedy cosmetics, so they cna please the consumers but choose not to. As a matter of fact, they rather making things an inconvinience to the consumer by forcing them to use cs2 over csgo when it's at a broken state. If that wasn't bad enough, you have their greedy business practices that are anti-consumer too like mtx and subtle p2w.

[@landonscott-dz9br]

Man, I remember when I used to play CSGO and I used to be good not competitive good but decent and when I heard CS2 was announcing I waited for CS2 instead of playing CSGO which was a huge mistake

[@RJPharry]

I have 3k+ hours in csgo. Played since launch. I played about 10 hours of cs2 and haven't touched it since.

[@AnimeKlipsOffical]

Real.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

based

[@pyromcr]

How does it still not have all the maps and modes from GO? What are they doing?

[@Mochi-lf5rz]

CS1 looks so much better than CS2 it just has that rustic feel of CS

[@leobitencourt4719]

I think I agree with pretty much everything you said. I think I just miss the other more varied gamemodes a little more than you do. Also, I miss all the achievements I lost, because I spent a fair amount effort going after all of them to proudly display it on my steam user page, and now it's just gone, replaced with one achievement. So that's something I'm slightly annoyed at too.

[@zytla1337]

You think when people see the achievements they will be impressed xDD nobody cares bot nerd

[@leobitencourt4719]

@@zytla1337 settle down little bro

[@triPixel]

@zytla1337 usually yeah, they are

[@Jartran72]

@@zytla1337 If I saw someone grinding all the archivements I would respect that. They are not that hard to get but it requires effort, patience and a willingness to grind. Same as WoW or anything other grindy and I can respect that.

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

I miss the fact that CSGO wasn't a giant piece of s*** the most.

[@psilocybemusashi]

personally i have shifted my gaming to playing all the games i missed out on over the years playinig csgo and sweating buckets. there are some fun games out there... i never knew

[@youtubenightcrawler9571]

I got 6000 hours. Quit csgo 2 n now having fun in different fps games everytime i come back i am amazed how awesome n shite the game is

[@Davies-ms7uc]

Yes so true lollll . Valve do not thing to prevent these cheater

[@gunkrock]

semi competitively the game is really fun even with the cut content and the bugs, but above 10-15k in premiere is a nightmare, it's cheaters every 4 or 5 games and ive had my rank taken away multiple times because the servers went down during a match

[@dayne6475]

im 18k and havent played a cheater yet

[@koro6072]

16 and same, really good trust factor since early csgo@@dayne6475

[@HafifSyukra]

So it's just Regular CSGO, then. Stop whining

[@gunkrock]

@@HafifSyukra I'm not lol, the game is fun

[@gunkrock]

@@dayne6475 yah I mean it's different for everyone \_(-_-)_/ at least it's better than go

[@maegnificant]

In my first game of CS ever (10v10) there was a cheater. Another guy was constantly riffing on him, trying to make him leave. It was awful :D

[@pieathart]

Non prime casual be like

[@amp4105]

you say the second part like its bad lol i bm cheaters ever chance i get fuck them

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@pieathart prime casual has more cheaters lmao, cheaters are most of the people who pay for prime on a new acc and then have to play a few games of casual to unlock competitive

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

@@pieathart Prime is exactly the same thing, stop pretending lol.

[@gp-1542]

I absolutely believe they should have let it cook for longer Even if they are going for the long long LONG haul I still think they needed more time

[@Bmxrkid]

I dropped the game when cs2 dropped, it really sucks because I loved csgo a lot. I dont want to play cs2, I just want to play csgo again with all the fun modes, maps and quirks of it. I just love the graphics way more than the current over saturated look. Im honeatly quite upset that they straight ran over cago by completely wiping it off the store and removing all my achievements.

[@AveryChow]

7:59 I am brand new to counter strike and have never played it except for when CS2 released. I quickly fell in love with the wingman mode since I just had one friend show me the game, except there's only like four wingman maps. I stopped playing after maybe a week because grinding out competitive mode to unlock premiere just didn't seem worth it. people are simply too good at this game for me to find competitive mode fun

[@vainsmemery8068]

The game is not for you if you don’t want to play the game to unlock features. Don’t blame the playerbase for you not liking it, blame yourself.

[@AveryChow]

@@vainsmemery8068 huh? the whole point is that grinding out competitive to only then play what is essentially competitive mode again just isn't worth it with how little there is for the game to offer. premiere mode really doesn't unlock much, except for more cheaters ig

[@Ilikewater-andice]

>competetive >fun choose one.

[@vainsmemery8068]

@@AveryChow competitive and premier is fun, like I said the game isn’t for you since the game modes are a chore

[@vainsmemery8068]

@@Ilikewater-andice you can literally do both

[@milestailprower]

"Source 2 is a brand new engine" It was released 9 years ago. Albiet, it has still been in development then- and there still is no SDK. Still, Source 2 development has been sluggish and will be eons out of date by the time an SDK becomes available.

[@ManaMan_1405]

No videogame needs to look better than what source 2 is capable of.

[@Paweł-uwu]

Chapter 6: it looks like valorant

[@Arnabit]

1:51 i think that video was why shooting feels different between CS:GO and CS2 especially flick shots on AWP. In GO your shots were registered the tick right AFTER your click so anywhere the crosshair was pointing AFTER a flick. But in CS2 the subtick recalls the time you clicked so it the shot doesn't travel much when you flicked

[@purpleman8981]

I liked csgo cause it could run perfectly fine on my shit pc, now I gotta stare at pixels that blend into the background

[@bearlogg7974]

Never thought id be able to relate to such a vile creature as a Overwatch fan in sequel delivery

[@drunkhusband6257]

Overwatch 2 is fire

[@Jaysee6]

Wow when he spoke about the trash setups and I felt like damn this is exactly my situation and it’s pretty fucked. Wish I could just play go again.

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

You aren't missing much, even people with good PC's (including pros) wish they could play CSGO again. CS2 is bad.

[@grojdg]

thank you for including my speedrun!

[@theletterkei]

video was too good for me to just simply put your @ on screen hahaha

[@PumpkinDude314]

18:23 NOT THE PUMPKINS!!

[@00zero557A]

A small but objective downside of cs2 is also the removal of crosshairs. Csgo had the "default" crosshair (not the green one, but the translucent one), yet its nowhere to be seen in cs2. : ((

[@theletterkei]

you mean style 1 and 0? yeah I used those a lot but can't anymore :(

[@00zero557A]

@@theletterkei yea :((

[@RivalHades-mk1xl]

Cs2 was just graphics update(not even better looking imo). Ok and now imagine they got rid of 70% of the content

[@theletterkei]

do you guys think if CSGO was never removed lebron still be averaging more points than jayson tatum this season or do you think he would be too busy queuing it up with the boys late night style?

[@majikalmcmuffin6258]

I'd be happy with CS2 if i could goddamn play it (packet loss) (I'm depressed)

[@worlds_worst_tf2_player]

baskemtball

[@broktroll3035]

alternate title: valve game fan disovers that their game is made by vlave

[@1sredna]

The issue with VAC live is that it's trained on rage hacks, spins and aimbots. That automatically lets anybody play with blatant wallhacks and not get punished for it, as the AI isn't trained on legit cheaters, who actively try to hide it in high elo matches. Past 20k elo in premier, there is a cheater in 80% of matches. Watching back demos you can clearly see how blatantly obvious they are, but since the anti-cheat is AI and can't distinguish between a good player and a cheater that just tries to hide it a little bit, they won't get punished for it...

[@KyleK68]

100% agree. I even ran into a 5,000 hour account with an expensive inventory that was being boosted by blatant cheaters in premier. He was friends with the cheater on steam and when I looked back at his leetify he’d played 60+ matches in his last 100 with banned accounts. Check a couple days later and sure enough that cheater account from my match got banned, but not before he and his boosted friend ranked 21,000+ elo. People who cheat or get intentionally boosted by cheats in counter strike must live a sad sad life, I’m so confused by what they even gain. Just a bunch of trolls trying to ruin peoples’ experience and it works. I get that some people are just really good at the game but I’ve played enough cs over the last 15 years to be able to spot a real cheater when I see one. I’ve heard the same sentiment from my friends who are long time cs players. We’re all frustrated by the cheating situation. I’d like to see overwatch return but idk if it’s realistic. Idk much about anti cheat but something needs to give, it hasn’t been this bad since csgo was made free to play

[@toxicholygrenadethg9906]

Having Valve to utterly replace Counter-Strike: Global Offensive with Counter-Strike 2, is a serious dick move, because 1), it is so painfully inconsiderate towards the creators of Garry's Mod, and 2), it is art destruction, and destruction of art, especially games in general, is plain wrong. It shows just how selfish and out of touch Valve has gotten as a corporation.

[@jimmyQW9welB6Sm90cHNy]

Its really annoying that cs2 servers show up in the csgo server browser, they killed community servers and plugins in general and its sad to see so many fun modes and competitive movement modes sitting in limbo, waiting for an update that isn't really coming (though I think surf is already back but with a lot of ramp bugs)

[@buzzikea]

you are just a another silver

[@jimmyQW9welB6Sm90cHNy]

@@buzzikea what.

[@buzzikea]

@@jimmyQW9welB6Sm90cHNy nothing, just hanging around

[@DMlTREl]

​@@buzzikea How this situation connected with the ranks?

[@baska-]

I just wish CS:GO still existed and was playable. Why are CS, CS1.6, CS:S still playable but CS:GO isn't? Very sad, I really miss CS:GO.

[@Gamerz5GT]

Corporate greed. The skins market would collapse and everyone would see what a sharade and joke it is. Poor multi billion dollar corporation Valve...

[@AnimeKlipsOffical]

Bruh I miss it every fking day :(

[@lolzers7986]

Atleast tf2 fans can rest easy knowing valve didnt just abandon them specifically

[@betobull1cio901]

joke's on u, they did

[@paultrigger3798]

"New game bad, old game good". This is usually correct unfortunately. Valve does a pretty decent job supporting the lifecycle though. It was a quick rollout

[@reedy8585]

i'm thinking why's my palace hop failing all the time

[@incdblrnx]

almost 1 year later cs2 is still trash fuck valve bring csgo back

[@HuehuehueEsBest]

I think the biggest thing that made me lose some hope is their refusal to allow Faceit to run 128 tick servers. Forcing us to have a worse experience because they're too cheap to pay for servers that Faceit and Riot could somehow afford just fine, despite having significantly more income/player than those companies is embarrassing. Anyone who tried Faceit at that point would tell you it was night and day between 64 tick subtick; profits decided we should have a shit game over them paying moderate amounts of money for servers in a game where they make hundreds of millions.

[@bozhidardimitrov3573]

yeah, an absolute joke

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

The biggest issue for me is the fact that CS2 is literally worse than the version of CS that released in 2003. That is CRAZY lol.

[@imperialinquisitor510]

Can you imagine being forced to pay for a game you have already bought that turns out to be worse? Ark players: *Reassuringly pats you on the shoulder*

[@RivalHades-mk1xl]

New ark game 😭

[@filthycasul1019]

people already have proof that the flick thing is actually real, lol

[@LazyLash]

I still have hope. Csgo was terrible at launch, but yeah it's awful right now. I really think that the player base declining is the people that jumped on the CS2 hype. Not the actual player base of csgo. We are still waiting for the fix.

[@theletterkei]

absolutely, I wanted to make it clear at the end that not all my opinions changed from last video. I just wanted this one to be more informative about the issues I didn't cover :)

[@LazyLash]

@@theletterkei Yeah you are really making some good content. I really like your other video too. You are doing good research, and you are not just saying cs is bad. That's what I hate about the cs content these days. Much love dude and keep it up!

[@kingeling]

Csgo was terrible at launch but didn't replace cs source.

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

The people leaving are the actual player base of CSGO. Most of my friends list stopped playing and when I invite they just say CS2 is bad. They're right. 🤷

[@WafelTLD]

Subtick is trash... If you don't have 10000000 FPS, 10000000000Hz monitor and 0 ping you will lose every game becouse is very connected to everything...

[@mrN3w7]

CS players will... ALWAYS complain, no matter what...

[@kyle45887]

Im more annoyed how hard it is just to do a match with buddies

[@randomchannel323]

I can see a grassroots GO community rising up if the legacy version can be used for 3rd party tournaments

[@brawss]

The only problem I have with CS2 is that the game freezes in almost every competitive game, usually multiple times per match. I need to kill cs2.exe in task manager and re-enter the match. The support ignores my problem ever since it launched in september 🤣. Since I can't play cs2 properly I've been playing a lot of valorant.

[@leonels8605]

Don't know if this will help with your problem, but it solved mine. I had launch options set on Steam, but that ended up making my game freeze constantly. I removed all launch options and set the game to fullscreen, not windowed. Hasn't frozen since.

[@stevans6942]

Yep game is seriously broken.

[@umaisumehdois]

@@leonels8605 Me too!

[@valterstrumpiks7832]

Sucks for you, never had that happen to me. Do you have like 15 year old windows install? Did you reinstall and verify integrity of cs2 game files? Tried to install it on a different hard drive?

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I had that too but it stopped happening recently.

[@HarumiYu]

You have pretty solid points, the part I think it is so funny to see is how shroud said that, and after that he said he was trolling and people would get the clip and say "look what shroud said". I agree with everything you said, and how people are over reacting over problems that is not a problem itself, personally, I stopped playing CS2 just because I got tired of the game after 15k hours, just other releases got my attention and that is pretty much it for myself. This game probably will be really good around second half of 2024, and it is Valve and CS at the end of the day, if they lose players, they get a bunch new as well, and if they make the game good, people come back, Valve undercooked a lot this game.

[@theletterkei]

I'm glad someone knows that shroud was memeing in the clip you have no idea how many comments I am getting about "using shroud in the intro so my points are invalidated"

[@BunnyEZ]

Your editing style is really good at holding attention, good job, was surprised to see that you don't have that many subs, you should have way more. EDIT: Oh you were a content creator for liquid, makes sense hehe

[@theletterkei]

i am flattered but my content is far better now than it was while i was on liquid (otherwise they might've kept me LOL), still really appreciate it :D

[@jayleimer3836]

the most detrimental thing about cs2 is the performance. CSGO core formula for a good competitive experience combined with universal great performance on most peoples setup made it so popular

[@ExplodingImplosion]

My fav part of the sub tick issue is that it’s also a thing for both valorant and overwatch (for shooting only though), but they actually do it directly through input systems, meaning it’s actually MORE accurate than CS2’s, which only applies updates on render frames. So, like, yeah, subtick “sucks”, but every time a CS player mentions it, you know their ass is probably talking abt something wholly unrelated lmao

[@tappajaav]

You have very impressive aim. What a flicker.

[@MrNikiMp]

9:57 note: You can't be kicked if you're queued in a team of 4 premades if I remember correctly, they introduced it like over a month ago or something..so that's at least a bit of relief. Correct me if I'm wrong!

[@theletterkei]

You’re right, but you can still get kicked by a 3stack if the random feels like it lmfao. ALSO: I got into a game where I 4 stacked and our random was cheating, so we couldn’t kick him 😭😭

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@theletterkei the simple solution for this is to not allow 4 stack. find a 5th or play with 3. 4 stack 90% of the time just starts bullying me if i solo queue, which is funny because theyre little kids trying to bully a 30 year old man and i just call them some creative insults. but then they generally kick me in the last couple rounds after i carry them to victory. 4 stack always has this result in every 5v5 game, thats why a lot of games dont allow it.

[@viego29]

My pc runs cyberpunk at 50 fps.... It runs cs at 40 on some maps, something is not right here.

[@AnimeKlipsOffical]

Lol fr CS2's optimization is worse than GTA4's lol.

[@rayunited2010foryou]

Another problem is they removed unranked MM where players can either warmup or try new things and learn their game while playing 5v5.

[@RobCooper-Bachatador]

It would be fairly easy for valve to resolve the skins issue in a re-release of CSGO. Simply strip the tradable skins out of the game or mirror them across the two games. A stripped down version on CSGO would be interesting. The reason they wont do that is because they want to concentrate on CS2 and have the entire userbase using it to get it right as fast as possible. Perhaps once CS2 is stable, they'll re-release CSGO.

[@Psyche_TH]

Interesting video, hadn't thought of some of those factors before. Small point on the standalone CS:GO skin transfer concern: doesn't a fix for this already exist? Portal 2 knows your Team Fortress 2 inventory and lets you use certain hats in the co-op multiplayer mode if they are present in your TF2 backpack. Those are also both Valve games obviously. Why couldn't they implement the same thing again? Sure, there could be a little confusion but in the end I don't see why it wouldn't work.

[@accipitermagna7104]

the number of cheaters increased 10x

[@Uraim]

imagine my trust factor is good since i did ok for 1.6k hours, everything ok, not cheated with the account, and i see thru wall and thru smoke headshots all the time, even both if its like that and the smoke is there, and ofc with scout or awp...

[@DitieBun]

I don't play counter strike often but I'm glad someone is finally acknowleging the fact that not all of us can afford a super ultra amazing computer. a lot of games nowadays are almost entirely inaccessible to people (myself included) who can't afford to splurge on graphics cards and gaming PCs, and I wish more developers took this into consideration.

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

You aren't missing much, CS2 is genuinely bad.

[@wojakthecrusader1410]

Play old cs bud is better.

[@pnowy1146]

the downfall of cs2 was the removal of the michael jackson peek

[@Gioluipelle]

The point of CS was never to win or have the highest elo. Those are like sub quests. The point of CS is to have the most expensive stickers on your imaginary gun.

[@Pechette-1911]

I only started playing since cs2 only dabbling a little bit in 1.6 and csgo, but so far I love the game, they definitely pulled me in with the follow recoil option.

[@pieathart]

I had 40 hours on go and over 300 on cs2 😭 i was the one of the minority who actually like it better

[@Ken-kb1fr]

​@@pieathartdudes get attacked for liking cs2

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

@@Ken-kb1fr Even the pros think CS2 is bad so it's understandable.

[@gladosbutstupid8807]

Wow, they say lightning never hits the same spot twice, but your videos never fail to strike the same level of greatness every time, another great video. (P.S. I’m pretty sure you meant to say “legacy_csgo” when talking about still being able to play CS:GO, you said demo_viewer, which are 2 different things)

[@theletterkei]

I really appreciate the kind words! But you're right, I wrote that part of the script when the only way to play CSGO was through the demo viewer version and I forgot to add the disclaimer D:

[@jondoe8762]

glazin

[@zephh_sk]

Please don't make me listen to Shroud's opinions without my consent ever again

[@CrystickDuo]

Fantastic rundown, thank you for this 🙏

[@taschenkarotte]

There is gunrace now, but i miss safehouse, lake and cache in comp.

[@josko144]

Me personaly I think cs2 is pretty good rn i just hate the premier matchmaking and the cheating problem

[@S.V.M-MCMXCIX]

Yes same

[@virus4721]

because you have 300hrs of game

[@josko144]

@@virus4721 i've been playing csgo since 2016. Cs2 is in a pretty solid state rn. Yes they have many things to polish but its much better than it was on launch

[@S.V.M-MCMXCIX]

@@virus4721 i have 6k hrs, 22000 elo global since 2015, esea b+

[@BlakeToups-tc4np]

@@virus4721300 hours is a lot buddy.

[@ethhics]

For me as a casual player the game feels fine. Sure, there is stuff missing from it and you mostly die by being peeked, but when I play competetive with my friends, I feel like I'm actually back in CS:GO, the new lighting system is a bit distracting, but I can live with it. Valve defo should adjust the contrast a bit and reduce the shine of some skins imo. Movement also feels good, if a tiny bit easier than CS:GO. A big problem I have with CS2 is certain people just gobbling on Valve's member, saying the game is "ready" and "much better than CS:GO". Okay bro, if you mean tons of missing content and even more cheaters, then yeah, it is better than CS:GO already lol

[@TheSuperappelflap]

you can change your monitor gamma in console to adjust the shiny stuff. i set mine to 3 and now it looks pretty much similar to csgo with some better colors

[@PrOsToVLAD95]

The game is still shit, no anti cheat at all

[@Razwizz]

Source 2 has been a thing since dota underlords

[@mcdonalds_sprite1225]

Y'all forgot CS source still exists and still available on steam. Deadass good game and definitely needs a comeback

[@theletterkei]

source severely underrated in modern times tbh

[@mcdonalds_sprite1225]

@@theletterkei exactly, that's what I was trying to say

[@1337Skrjabinn]

The awp zoom delay in cs2 is a problem people don't talk enough about. It fucks up a lot of shots, the game just misinterprets quickscopes for noscopes.

[@dezolatetrax]

bro fr, i thought am the only one who feel that

[@TheSuperappelflap]

They probably moved that from client side to server side so the delay will depend on your ping. I dont notice it but I usually have 20 or lower ping

[@NovaCrewsader]

I didnt realize this video has only 1k views and you had only 1k subs… thought you were like a 1mil+ youtuber based on the content… good shit man!

[@Kacpa2]

All content they removed... None of it wont be back, especialy Factions like Separatists, IDF or anarchists which were my favourite thing about CSGO. Stupid changes like loudout menu that makes memey weapons a mutually exclusive choice to "good guns" and even if j want to play with silly weapons i would like to keep ability to buy awp or ak to my teammates. CSGO shouldve been left alone with its own matchmaking like all prior cs games. Dumb netcode and movement changes, visuals i dont really like

[@loganpaschedag8829]

The sucky thing about having a shitty computer the entire time CS:GO existed was that I felt left out on an era that was so good that I couldn’t run because of my computer didn’t handle the game, even though it could handle CS:S (which was on the same engine btw!) and the only way of playing modern CS is literally playing…on the lowest settings 🤮

[@WIImotionmasher]

As someone who never touched COunter Strike, a completely casual player who likes first person shooters (not competitively). I tried 2 when it launched because it looked nice. After that I got why people love Counter Strike. The gunplay and how it all works, its satisfyingly simple but still really fun. However I uninstalled it because as a casual player it stops being fun really fast. You really start to feel the advantage low ping players get and it feels like every corner is up to chance.

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

Sadly you started with the worst version of CS that has ever existed. 😔

[@mizo.mp4]

13:06 i had a decent pc for csgo but after upgrading gpu recently i still get really low fps (sub 100 in cs2 with an rx 6650xt) so now im spending another 300 dollars on a new cpu to play downgraded csgo

[@nikoolay]

Yup, I made a new pc early this year and they decide to bring out the heaviest game of all the sequels that they have done.

[@DeadBaron]

I will never understand why they overwrote and replaced CSGO, and stole all the reviews. It feels deceptive. I even saw a Cynical Brit recommendation. He's been dead for years.

[@BecomeMonke]

My computer can’t run cs2. And my wife’s boyfriend said that I shouldn’t be wasting money on childish stuffs like computers

[@JohnDoe-cq9no]

Adam22 is that you?

[@dx12u]

what annoys me the most is that... they could've just kept CS:GO. they could've made a new steam app. i get it's a really complex situation with enticing people in, making the game more in the present, etc., but if they just did a new steam app like with CS:C0 and CS:S, it would gain the players that wanted Src2, reduce pressure on Valve making a perfect game in a short time, and let current CS:GO players (like me) keep playing the version they love... i don't get it. i think if Valve forces CS2 too much while it's unfinished, then it'll snap and break.

[@mikewazowski471]

And why the fuck did Valve think it was ok to destroy CS:GO and replace it with CS2? They didn't do that to 1.6, Source, or even the original CS from 2000! Just make them two separate games and don't be so fucking lazy Valve! Its the same game engine ffs!