How Vintage Story Taught me Philosophy

[@TheGeekFactor]

If you enjoyed this video, consider becoming a member! $3 a month for all of my videos early and your name in the credits! I have been informed that there is 1 dungeon with 1 boss in vintage story. I was not aware of this, but I don’t think it takes away from my overall point.

[@GikamesShadow]

Yes and no. The thing you were talking about is that games like Minecraft and Terraria had bosses. You were gearing up to fight them which is the same case for Vintage Story. The difference however is this: You are never told there is a boss in Vintage Story. There is even only a very minor chance that you get to find one in the first 500 hours of you playing without knowing how to find it. In minecraft on the other end, finding the boss is easy. Or rather bosses as the Wither and Sea Guardian exist. You are not just given direct in world hints but also are encouraged to try to throw an eye of ender. So in Vintage Story while it does have a boss, you are more just gearing up to... explore more and are then rewarded with finding the dungeon and boss by exploration of your own. There is more than just exploration to it. I wont tell you more for obvious reasons. But just know that you cannot find it that easily unlike in MC where Endereye specifically is very easily aquired by even a noob. As I like to say it: Minecrafts Bosses are required for progression, Terrarias Bosses are the same. Vintage Stories boss (later in the updates plural as things seem to be planned) is so optional that they just become more Lore for the world for you to discover.

[@donald12998]

They are adding a second one i think. But you havent beaten the game until you make scrambled eggs with bacon(cured meat) and cheese.

[@TheGeekFactor]

@@donald12998this should be a speed running category

[@thomashiggins9320]

@@donald12998 Right. I understand the boss that currently exists reveals a lot more about the lore, hints of which you pick up along the way. That said, defeating it is not "the point" of the game; it's just something else to do *in* the game. I have literally hundreds of hours in Vintage Story, at this point, and I've never bothered to even look for the final boss. 🤷‍♂ Oh, I'll do it eventually, but I play irregularly enough (I have a day job and other interests), and they issue updates often enough, that I sometimes find it easier to upgrade once I return after an absence, and then start over again. Plus, the depth of the lore that currently exists tells me the DEVs have a roadmap that takes the game unimaginably far. In that sense, it's kinda like Dwarf Fortress development -- the Adamses have spent decades working on Dwarf Fortress, and it will never really "end." They'll just stop working on it when they get too old to do so, and shift it to someone who respects Dwarf Fortress and willingly takes on responsibility for it. Vintage Story feels similar -- the small DEV team apparently enjoys making it for its own sake; they have no interest in monetizing it much more than needed to make it self-sustaining; and they'll just keep working on it until they've had enough. They also make modding *dead easy* so there's always new content from *somebody* , and the DEVs interact enthusiastically with the fan base as a source of ideas and suggestions. That's about as good as it gets. 😊 (They do need to figure out how to make realistic rivers, though. The current "Rivers" mod isn't bad, but it doesn't reflect how rivers *actually* work, either, because realistic hydrology is *hard* .)

[@Ulti-chan]

Little mistake there - iron tools do not follow same process as casting copper tools, process is more advanced with use of bloomery furnace. And then steel is even more different

[@krabgrass]

The most tedious thing about the steel making process is having to constantly check under the steel furnace for fuel since it takes over 30 hours for the process to complete. I've finally reached the steel age but unfortunately the snowfall has made the cooking process difficult lol smh

[@KenshiKitty]

Yeah take it from someone who's made a set of steel plate, not a fun process to do, let alone on mass

[@supper_tea7896]

There is a boss in Vintage Story. I won't say much else, as I think that your curiosity will one day lead you to it :).

[@Gluckeable]

I'd give a hint to chat more with treasure hunter trader a bit more

[@FanstasiaAlchemist]

I was squeeing to myself cause he's in it for the long run now

[@NeverJhonsen]

I bought this game back in April 2020 (thanks PSJ), and after 20 hours I just haven’t looked at Minecraft the same. Vintage Story is full of grinding, but the rewards are worth it. Making your first pie, banging out your first steel pick axe, equipping your first glider, no other game has made me feel so rewarded in the way this game has

[@TheVVumpus]

I happened to buy a 4 pack for my wife and friends and I this morning after watching many videos about it. Games made by developers who actually care about their game are so rare these days. This seems something special, and this video makes a very strong case for that.

[@TheGeekFactor]

God and the modding and how much of their game is open source is insane. They’re so open to community content, it’s awesome.

[@theguyfromsaturn]

I don't think they are rare, but you won't get it from AAA studios. You have to find the little guys.

[@Nara_NorthBlue]

It's always a delight to find more people that enjoy this little hidden gem of a game, and even more so when it's through essays that are this beautifully put together.

[@SkyficeQ]

VS is the most underrated game in my opinion... IT JUST TAKES TIME ! Progression is a reward ! I feel so damn rewarded after upgrading my gear (finding iron).

[@jasohavents]

Finding Meteor craters and making tools out of Meteoric iron is one of the little pleasures of Vintage. They could literally be anywhere, even in plain sight in a place you've been hundreds of times. But you are rewarded for your perception.

[@EthCirah]

This video is the reason I started playing the game and since day 1 of my purchase there's not a single day I haven't played, even if it was one hour. Thanks you, it is truly a unique gem this game.

[@YellowAiOrchestra]

Beautiful video! I didn't feel like VS taught me much about philosophy, but it did teach me something I've never understood by taking archaeology and prehistory classes in college: why humans adopted sedentary lifestyle. After all, our hunter gatherer ancestors must have been supermen compared to us, we've grown weak from eating so much seed and soy, right? Spending the early game as a hunter gatherer is all fine and dandy until you run out of food by eating everything that grows or moves, ruining the local ecosystem. Having a home, the only safe place in the entire world feels so comfortable. Growing food in your backyard is much easier than chasing rabbits while avoiding wolves. Grain doesn't spoil nearly as quickly like the meat and berries do. Discovering metalworking leads you to discovering woodworking, making your home feel even better. On the rare occasions you go on hunting expeditions, but that's just for fun. You get back home by the nightfall. Compare all of that to burying yourself at night, naked, afraid and hungry. Having a place to live feels so comforting. It's frightening to think most of our ancestors lived like nomads up until some 10000 years ago. I think all those armchair anarcho-primitivists online should play Vintage Story in order to learn what returning to monke really is like. They'll start appreciating what they have.

[@newkkl]

A beautifully done video that captures very well why VS is so compelling. I tell people all the time that it’s an incredible game and there’s nothing else as rewarding right now, but I don’t think I express it very well. Now I have TWO videos I can send to people, your earlier one and this one. I hope you do a VS series. I see a lot of people lately trying to play it as if it were equivalent with Minecraft, and sort of missing the point, as well as ignoring the sheer gorgeousness of the world. You get it. I’d love to watch your playthrough(s).

[@paleflame]

If you thought the enemies were limited, just wait until the 1.20 update when they add [REDACTED].

[@macmcleod1188]

Yes, I'm happy they added those.

[@LuthienNightwolf]

Your original video about Vintage Story is what introduced me to the game, and since then I’ve put over 500 hours into it. I was an avid Minecraft player for years but I was really struggling to stay hooked, and Vintage Story gave me exactly what I had been missing. So, thank you for that video and for this one too.

[@spyrofrost9158]

Stumbling upon your Minecraft videos while reminiscing about Beta 1.7.3 lead me to Vintage Story. And for that, I thank you.

[@Ian-ew8pd]

I really enjoyed your take on Vintage Story's philosophy and I think it is one of the reasons why I've resonated with the game as much as I have. I love how the game forces you to recognize that you are only one part in the web of interconnectedness. It is really nice to see this game's focus on ecological philosophy.

[@76Eliam]

I was trying to explain to my friend why I don't enjoy as much as them playing multiplayer on large (I mean, 8-10 people) servers and your video perfectly explains it. When I pop on a large server and my friends immediately give me the direction toward the chest room they built where I can instantly pick end game stuff it really goes against everything I like in this game. I want to build MY little house that blends with the landscape with small outbuildings meticulously dedicated to tasks AND I want to go through hell to get there. That's the point.

[@dmsys6516]

I love the fact that you didn't shy away from calling minecraft shallow There are a of people who just can't take critisims for what they are and as a person who dont really enjoying building in general i dont want to play minecraft for a longer period of time as it is just weak in other departments I do love building in terraria and vintage story sometimes because for the amount of work i put in i can make some really beatifull looking builds. The good looking blocks and furniture options and the amount of 'customizability(chisel in vs and hammering+painting+huge_varity in terraria)' these two games provide just makes me want to do it sometimes but as for minecraft it just lacks so much that i can't get into it

[@Gamer-pk9up]

If you think the Bell is bad now, wait until you meet the new mobs.

[@KaZlos]

they give me shivers

[@NewWayUsaInst]

Erm.. what new mobs 😱

[@Gamer-pk9up]

@@NewWayUsaInst Just wait and see

[@jandys6328]

I found a bell not long ago in creative, but really wonder what armor etc you need to be able staying so down so long plus being able to fight it

[@Myszkou]

8:00 NOO, the past memories in my early game i was feeling ballzy, went very deep underground and found a ruin, after running through it for a bit, i run through a little waterfall, putting out my torch. stuck in the pitch black, no pickaxe, no way of knowing where the exist was, 50 blocks underground. i had to wait for my fucking character to starve and slowly die

[@zallian]

Small mistake, VS does actually have a boss, but its VERY out of your way, but a fun challenge

[@Moonlightatnight2]

Little tip. Turns out the cobblestone from ruins can be harvested by hand, which means you don't necessarily need to be living in a dirt/wooden hut during your stone age.

[@el_gatoNegro]

Wait really?! If I only knew you can mine them by hand then my first settlement would have looked less ugly than a dirt hut.

[@articulateddrunk1792]

2:50 rip torch

[@generalseal6948]

rainworld is surprisingly similar to this game and i think vintage story is the only game i would call "rainworldlike" in the sense that they are both survival games where your reward for "getting gud" and gaining knowledge is the skill and knowledge itself and no matter how skilled you are becoming the game will always remind you you arent here to be the big hero but your just another being simply trying to survive you never truly reach that top of the food chain

[@magoleo-pr7if]

Difference is in rain world you don't build/keep anything, only one item in your belly and two on your hands is 99% of what you get the entire game, which puts a lot of focus on exploring and learning, if you are a veteran you can technically rush to 5P on your first few days, meanwhile VS has an item-based progression, with a lot of purpose on base building and tinkering with the crafting mechanics

[@Brigtzen]

it's not Rainworld that is similar, because they're not at all similar, it's the feelings and emotions you get from them that are.

[@cherryrook8684]

As someone with well over 300h in this game that STILL hasn't seen the archives (current "endgame"), one thing i really like about Vintage Story is that yes it takes time to do things and some of those tasks may be a little tedious. BUT a lot of those tasks are things with a wait time on it before it can be processed further, so you go do other things while thats going like making charcoal. Shove a bunch of wood in a dirt hole and let it cook, meanwhile due to all the wood chopping you'v now gathered a bunch of sticks wich you need a lot for more pottery firing, now go off and search for some copper or build a little bit etc. It never feels like you are "wasting" your time because there is always something to do wich makes it feel like you are constantly progressing however small that progress might be. Unlike the other block game where you pretty early hit a wall of "well now what?"

[@cherryrook8684]

The other thing i really like in regards to how hard and "tedious" the material acquisition is it keeps the build sizes naturally small to medium (in survival at least). It is very time consuming to build even moderatly elaborate medium buildings but the sense of pride when you finish it is immense. Again in the other block games there you can make automated mega farms to acquire blocks in the thousands while not even having to do anything besides the initial farm setup, wich inflates build sizes greatly even in survival. I very much like how the player is driven towards building "realistic" without even being explicitly told to do so in VS and the overall rustic asthetics of the game just create very cozy looking houses and farmsteads

[@jamesmccullough9999]

Jeebus, dude, you're actually REALLY good at this. Keep it up!

[@dragonmaster1500]

Comment to drive the algorithm, always happy to see more Vintage Story content.

[@Kana_haku]

Thx for video! I'm happy that you enjoying Vintage Story, welcome to community!)

[@atlas7309]

18:00 Oh boy... He doesn't know. Try finding a treasure hunter trader and bring a tin bronze pick.

[@markay779]

If we're talking about games that reward curiosity, then I think you should give Outer Wilds a try.

[@Roberta-yf4ge]

Minecraft is way to easy as a game, but building and redsone is amazing. I really hope vintage story gets more power mechanics and automation. Ofc mods do that alot.

[@Nitram4392]

Well I can't wait for him to find the Archive.

[@TheGeekFactor]

I have heard rumors of such archives haha I am both excited... and terrified.

[@VioletAmery311]

idk if its been mentioned in the comments but there is a mincraft mod called 'terrafirmacraft' that is entirely inspired by vintage story. i actually played that before ever hearing about VS and that is how i heard about it. it definitely lacks the content that VS has since its a mod not a game but it gives me the same feeling of flowing with the world and being slow paced. its the hyper survival gameplay but in a familiar place like minecraft. i do recommend it to anyone who has liked vintage story and likes minecraft

[@LtSich]

It's really a good game, I love playing it. Taking my time, advancing slowly. Just chilling, taking time to enjoy the world around you.

[@TheGeekFactor]

My favorite thing is chilling and then hearing a bear come up behind me knowing I can’t possibly outrun it. :)

[@frostyolive]

Vintage story does have 1 boss and large dungeon, small correction for 18:00.

[@TheGeekFactor]

Check pinned comment

[@RedRice94]

All the people here who bought this Vintage Story to admire its surreal heft have precisely the wrong mindset. I, in my exalted wisdom and unbridled ambition, bought this Vintage Story to become fully accustomed to the intensity of its density, to make its weight bearable and in fact normal to me, so that all the world around me may fade into a fluffy arena of gravitational inconsequence. And it has worked, to profound success. I have carried the Vintage Story with me, have grown attached to the downward pull of its small form, its desire to be one with the floor. This force has become so normal to me that lifting any other object now feels like lifting cotton candy, or a fluffy pillow. Big burly manly men who pump Terraria now seem to me as little children who raise mere Minecraft. I can hardly remember the days before I became a man of Vintage Story. How distant those days seem now, how burdened by the apparent heaviness of everyday objects. I laugh at the philistines who still operate in a world devoid of Vintage Story, their shoulders thin and unempowered by the experience of bearing Vintage Story. Ha, what fools, blissful in their ignorance, anesthetized by their lack of meaningful struggle, devoid of passion. Nietzsche once said that a man who has a why can bear almost any how. But a man who has a Vintage Story can bear any object less dense, and all this talk of why and how becomes unnecessary. Schopenhauer once said that every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. Vintage Story expands the limits of a man’s field of vision by showing him an example of increased density, in comparison to which the everyday objects to which he was formerly accustomed gain a light and airy quality. Who can lament the tragedy of life, when surrounded by such lightweight objects? Who can cry in a world of Stardew Valley and Raft? Have you yet understood? This is no ordinary survival sandbox. In this game is the alchemical potential to transform your world, by transforming your expectations. Those who have not yet held the Vintage Story in their hands and mouths will not understand, for they still live in a world of normal density, like Plato’s cave dwellers. Those who have opened their mind to the density of Vintage Story will shift their expectations of weight and density accordingly. To give this Vintage Story a rating of anything less than five stars would be to condemn life itself. Who am I, as a mere mortal, to judge the most compact of all affordable games? No. I say gratefully to whichever grand being may have created this universe: good job on the Vintage Story. It sure is dense. I sit here with my Vintage Story, transcendent above death itself. For insofar as this Vintage Story will last forever, I am in the presence of immortality.

[@lephobix]

Now I want to pick up my Vintage story world I started a while ago. Very good video btw.

[@hellofellowbotsss]

same!!

[@TheGeekFactor]

Hey if you join my discord server, I made a role for channel members! No pressure, though! Just wanted to let you know! :)

[@lephobix]

@@TheGeekFactor funny thing is I am already on the server :D

[@referencetosomething4187]

I have probably over 100hrs in VS after buying it like 6 months ago (thanks to your vid!) Ive yet to make an iron pickaxe 😂 9/10 game (that'll likely be 10/10 when it hits full release) better than minecraft in every regard

[@JH-gg8je]

Also currently since version 1.18 of vintage story there is something similar to a boss is the first big dungeon made by the developers and there adding more in 1.20

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

In a world of battlepasses and weeky challenges. Vintage story is a breath of fresh air! The progression is so grounded and rewarding! 😊 The weather and environment are so immersive!

[@thisIsmadhavaji]

This is great man. Loved the vid. Liked and subscribed in a heartbeat.

[@jawithegoose7243]

Damn, don't see people use the "Immersive Perspective" option much

[@leonoliveira8652]

I'm waiting for the video when you explore chiseling to show HOW creative VS lets you be.

[@Junoweed]

Thumbs are up. Love the little things like digging out a ruin to spend a night in on some long truck and feeling like Im in someone else house... immersing oneself in the game is great and inevitable. No metagame here 9:48 Edit:sp

[@LonelyMrrow]

I had Satisfactory opened while watching this and the intro music playing alongside watching this elevated the feelings of this video

[@BenVaBo]

Great video. I'd love to play more Vintage Story once my exams are over.

[@gammerpro]

I have recently gotten into this game and I to share a vast amount of philosophy with you here. I'll Love it. With this, I would like to recommend another game, "Wurm Online". It's an old game. But it shares a lot with VS. And has a lot more depth with its interactive mechanics that I think you would enjoy. If anything just go look at the wiki. Btw, Consider me a new subscriber :)

[@JNJNRobin1337]

why does this just make me go 'when i get this game, im going to make trenches'

[@derikhans]

I played TFC when it came out, and now playing vintage story gives me a fluent gameplay and a good adventure but it's a idea rip-off with plusses. It's like tesla and edison literally (without Edison's fame being bigger)

[@figloalds]

This game is Minecrack's evil twin And I love it

[@starbonnie552]

Honestly I just don't like things that feel like they're way to complicated. When the amount of steps required to do something is high, I just don't like doing it. I wouldn't mind trying though, just the only problem is that console people get the short end of the stick and guess what I am... Just saying it's a little annoying not having a computer that lets you do half the times you'd want too.

[@Bozebo]

I've bought it 3 times xD As a developer I want to say it's (being) very well made too.

[@thomasparker7305]

There is a big boss in the game. You just have to find the location.

[@Kana_haku]

Dont want to spoil it for those who doesnt want to spoil it , BUT You was warned There actually is one boss already and so much more stuff going on! UPD: yea , there is also an dungeon, Vintage story just the game that slowly opening to you in tact with your curiocity in the world and progression))

[@Kana_haku]

(but still, the one that is already here - is not e big bad evil guy, so yea)

[@Berkybot]

Us console bois have to watch from the sidelines. It will be a wonderful day when VS releases on console, if it ever does.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

I feel vintage story needs to expand its endgame a bit more. once you have iron, or steel... what now? I feel while the beginning is more detailed, the endgame or Ceiling is also lower.

[@TheGeekFactor]

There’s a lot of automation in the end game and that allows you to build more easily and make cooler stuff. No different than Minecraft, in that regard, but the game is also in active development, so they’re adding new stuff all the time!

[@Kindlesmith70]

4:14 True, but also a giant disappointment when the devs don't add the answers to those questions, like SCORN is very much a visual artwork that has no depth besides it's appearance, with very basic/shallow game thrown in to make it like a museum. There is no reason to anything in the game besides artwork looks cool, and give something for a player to do, not because it makes sense, but just so it can be called a game. What a waste.

[@notjinxedyet2479]

spoilers for late game vintage story does in fact have a dungeon. its pretty cool :D

[@johnnymcgeez5647]

I dont think its fair to compare those games to one another since they are trying to accomplish different things. Minecraft is colourful and quirky and while there are survival elements in the game, focus is more on the building and doing creative stuff. Which is why game doesnt slow you down and instead it pushes you into being able to do what you want to do and challenges in Minecraft come from technical thigs or from other players. Its one of the best games for a reason. Vintage Story is also really great game that is yet to push itself out in the world, but its different than Minecraft. Its about survival and its challenges are that you need to be creative to survive and thrive.

[@noddarkwolf]

hay go talk to a treasure hunter merchant

[@manuel.7461]

18:01 I don't want to spoil you but let's just say that that statement isn't true 😉

[@KaraKobold]

i made a mod, that disables Just the surface drifters thats Thats it lol

[@phobiac281]

If u love vintage story try the long dark which is my favorite game and second one is vintage story.

[@t.a.6915]

Comment to help spread the word about this amazing game.

[@user-ne9sd4ow1o]

Most people these days could learn from Vintage Story. Slow down and focus on the small things. Youll realize what really matters 😊

[@AAdielP]

Actually W video I did enjoy it!

[@vincefodor8231]

I thinck you can't cast irone in vintige storry. You must make blooms than forge tham into ingots.

[@Kindlesmith70]

15:36 I feel this is a very unrewarding method of play, and it's one that has been around for years. there was Might and Magic game that had monsters in places you could get to early, and die from easily. Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode is pretty awesome. Games tat have a more organic world, one where it isn't scaled based on player, and/or region, or for sake of difficulty are far more fun to explore. Vintage Story is ticking all the kinds of boxes I want in a game. It's just missing flora and fauna diversity, with systems in place for them to co-exist with the world and each other. Survival takes into account the environment remaining stable enough to be sustainable long term. Settling down comes with the drawbacks of having to take care of the environment to some extent.

[@davidsashorty]

What Is This Game On I Cant Find It On Steam

[@TheGeekFactor]

Check the description

[@Rexxie44]

They aren't bringing it to steam yet because a variety of reasons. You have to get it the old school way you would MC back in the day.

[@davidsashorty]

Thank you

[@Pizztakio]

great video

[@m00n119]

great video 👍

[@StückaEsser]

there's a boss tho

[@TheGeekFactor]

There’s a pinned comment, too.

[@NewWayUsaInst]

Feels illegal to be this early

[@PJutch]

Slightly off-topic: every time I see Vintage Story I always think that it really lacks a Gregtech clone (for those how doesn't know, Gregtech is a one of the most, probably even the most long, complicated and grindy Minecraft tech mods). Like they kind of fit together, at least both are long and overly realistic and have a lot of progression so imho Gregtech fits Vintage Story better than Minecraft, and I saw several TerraFirmaGreg modpacks out there so it's not a very unusual idea. Like really, iirc Vintage Story modding community has no such big mods like Minecraft does (maybe this changed). Probably this is because Vintage Story has more context and a more cohesive vision on a player experience

[@kristapskrumins5676]

weeeee

[@dude410]

actualy its a game about a minecraft mod called terra firma craft

[@GameExcel]

Whether its a good game or not its very clearly a Minecraft clone