How was the Quran Organized by Chapter & Verse? | Questions about the Quran Part 6 | Dr. Shabir Ally

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[@briggsdidnotstrapem7699]

I ggrew up a Muslim, good Muslimin will NEVER ask for money, this asking For money is not Islam's custom @Let the Quran Speak. You should be ashamed.

[@briggsdidnotstrapem7699]

I would give to the poor before i ask The People for money and i am poor, that is Islam. @ let the Quran Speak.

[@darmawan88]

I think it's ok to ask some support from muslim brother to make better dawah

[@briggsdidnotstrapem7699]

@@darmawan88 in Islam we give Zakat automaticly, at least i do, we give so we dont have to ask. You understand Zakat Right?

[@briggsdidnotstrapem7699]

@@darmawan88 also you do remember your Mother saying you better not be begging or asking people for money, because it is embarrassing.

[@thegurunetwork8350]

Thanks so much Sheikh. I use to think about this same question as well, but now I'm ok.

[@darmawan88]

I missed Syeikh Sabir Ally to give the long lecture (at least 1 hour) in KZbin, not only short conversation. I enjoy a lot the lecture from Syeikh Sabir Ally. May Allah always bless him dan give him health...

[@HamzaSayyid]

Thank you for this great series!! I was wondering this exact question today!!

[@sharonmathew2225]

OK answer but not clear right? Who organized the chapters and verse in the present Quran? God or Man?

[@bilgegunlu3229]

Makes so much sense. Thank you so much 🙏🏼

[@godisonegodhaswon]

JazakAllah Khairan Dr. Ally

[@rohansaxena1550]

I respect this scholar. He is knowledgeable and very balanced.

[@klickklack3949]

Its ordered from longest chapter to shortest. No need to beat around the bush with a long video. That's why when someone reads it it seems like stuff has no order.

[@Innuendo226]

Did you even watch the video? 🤦‍♀️

[@zunaidkajee4540]

That's not correct. The last chapter is not the smallest in the Quran....

[@almaghrabee]

Chapters were not revealed all at once. You should listen more often.

[@onlignebridge4224]

This proves the Book was also recorded in pen during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

[@mohamedatheek7039]

Certainly I can enhance my English knowledge by listening to the sheikh's explanation

[@MyNnavarro]

Did the categorization of chapters and verses come with the completion of the Qur'an or was the Qur'an later categorized into chapters and verses?

[@nocheapdopamine725]

V appreciate if anyone can help me by answering this or giving link to something- how did the Prophet PBUH and the early muslims establish prayer if certain sura’s were unfinished or hadn’t been completely revealed yet? For example in the very early days when say 10% of the Quran was revealed, wouldn’t this mean there were only a couple of completed surahs with the other surahs only having in them a few verses? Thx

[@SaidAttalah]

Respect to you All. What I learned from other scholars was that before the Prophet (PBUH) passed away, the Angel Djabril (PBUH) recited the Quran in the order we now know, then the prophet recited it in the same order afterwards. is that correct? Thank you for your efforts.

[@klickklack3949]

That's wrong. The order we have today is not the chronological order of how the verses have been revealed.

[@Dontlie1948]

Alhamdulilla, you got it right ✅️

[@Dontlie1948]

Alhamdulilla, you got it right ✅️

[@fehmidapatel9844]

But then what was the order that prophet may Allahs peace and blessings be upon him recite to jibail alayhissalam in the last ramadan of his life, which he did twice? please can u put a light on it?

[@aligadelaide9186]

Very important question to well versed academic

[@rationalthinker5993]

Masha Allah ❤️

[@Hamza000h]

Jazakallah sheikh

[@illuminatiagent7691]

So, which chapter and verses were written by the guy who quit writing the quran and later was put on the list of ten people to be beheaded after the taking of mecca.?????

[@kryptonite4974]

Is there any unequivocal statement in the Quran that mentioned that the bibble is corrupted.

[@onlignebridge4224]

⚠The end of *each chapter seems to be linked to the opening of the following one* . Check it out

[@FoodwaysDistribution]

3 days before his death he was locked in a house with jibril that dictated to him the orders this is a matter of historical fact, Quran was read 3 times in its entirety during that time, once by jibril twice by the prophete.....

[@Simarodra]

Thank you Dr. Shabir. The approach I see people in my country do is reading Qur'an in sequence as ritual in one time of the day (usually after fajr), then at other time on the same day (usually between maghrib and 'Isa) they read (and try to memorize) the chapter they want to focus, usually also by reading its commentary.

[@harontado]

This means, after prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) death, Allah (swt) is still with us muslim. He guided us without our knowing. How come that the qur'an is organized by the people without their knowing that they put it together perfectly. Why, because the sequence of the chapter of qur'an have algorithm that show miracles,

[@JohnMoore-jz7be]

The Quran says that it was revealed as a similar revelation

[@JohnMoore-jz7be]

Is the quran written like the bible revealed like the bible translated like tge bible and interpreted like the bible is it the same revelation the same order ???

[@Maha_s1999]

Dr Shabir - mathematically the number of possible permutations of the 114 Surahs of the Qur'an is 114!=1.49×10^188 - trillions of trillions of trillions..... an extremely large number of permutations.

[@chandermohan1134]

Comments are also very knowledgeable. They give a lot if illumination on this highly controversial topic. SriRam

[@Therestrial432]

Why doesn’t Dr. Shabir Ali cite his sources of where he got this information? Also this still doesn’t explain why the current version is better than the order that ALLAH revealed it to the prophet… I’ve watched a lot of these videos and the only possible logical reason I can think of is either because the compilers were arrogant enough to think they knew better than the REVEALER, OR they were doing it to manipulate the narrative/meaning. If you are angered by this comment go back and reread the Quran in chronological order and understand the difference yourself.

[@samsam4844]

Please watch youtube useful charts about who wrote the Quran

[@mahmudurrahman7519]

and how logical is that?

[@NedimTabakovic]

If we don't believe Muhammed s.a.w.s. was literally illiterate, he must have spent nights editing and writing down Qur'an by the instructors of the One who revealed Qur'an...Almighty God...

[@chandermohan1134]

Perhaps the Prophets was not illiterate. But he was not a scholar either. SriRam.

[@ukimenustah26]

@@chandermohan1134 idk man... many evidences suggest that hes illiterate

[@m.e.e2878]

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[@shayannnnn]

Agreed

[@robertcolbourne386]

I Am a cultural Christian. I read the Penguin translation. The forward of this translation says the chapter order from shortest to longest but Penguin placed them in chronological order , is this an error ?

[@cotesia7931]

If it's not, it's error in chapter arrangement

[@chandermohan1134]

@@cotesia7931 Arrangement of verses and Rakus (Paragraphs) is also a complicated matter. It will always remain a mystery. SriRam.

[@السيدالمسيحعبداللهورسوله]

لا اله الا انت سبحانك اني كنت من الظالمين

[@گرشاهجاوید]

excellent

[@JohnMoore-jz7be]

Will the mahdi come to save and rescue intervene on behalf of the Palestinians

[@JohnMoore-jz7be]

Why did God speak in all these different languages does it have anything to do with the tower 🗼 of babel when all mens language had changed because of disobedience and rebellion against God do he confused mans ability to communicate across the board because ib the beginning there was only one language universal language back then until God intervene with mans language

[@bahmankargosha4946]

Conclusions: Firstly, Allah is the most incoherent God created by human. Secondly, for the companions of Muhammad, size did mater as they arranged the chapters in Quran simply according to the size !

[@daftyute]

You know you can verify this yourself and see that this is not true right? If you just take a look at the first 10 chapters you can tell that its not highest to lowest 1. 7 verses 2. 286 verses 3. 200 verses 4. 176 verses 5. 120 verses 6. 165 verses 7. 206 verses 8. 75 verses 9. 129 verses 10. 109 verses is this highest to lowest? did u fail math?

[@bahmankargosha4946]

@@daftyute Oh really? Let me verify: Firstly, this is what this guy said and I was just concluding based on his opinion. However, the first chapter is just the opening which can not be even God’s words because in it , someone , asks for guidance by Allah. Secondly, the bigger number of verses doesn’t necessarily mean that the surah is also bigger but anyway Quran is just terribly arranged because it’s not arranged chronologically. There are Madani verses which are added to Makki verses and have totally changed the meaning, like verse 6 of Al-Alaqh which comes after the very first verses probably had revealed to Muhammad. They are also verses which denounce previous verses etc. In conclusion, Quran has lots of editorial issues besides all of other conceptual problems.

[@rebeuoriginel]

@@bahmankargosha4946 Qu'ran has no issues because it has numerical miracles in it that no human could of guessed, the temperature of the sun's surface is 5778K, there are 5778 verses between the first and last mention of the word sun, no human being knew the kelvin scale nor the number, and no one could of guessed this, therefore if it has been changed the numerical miracles would of fallen do the floor, and we have old qu'rans that match the same quran we have today, therefore your whole argument is demolished.

[@Dontlie1948]

This Quran protected by Allah, therefore the Quran order of is the way Allah intended. ***the enemies of truth trying very hard to derail Umma anyway it's possible. Allah is efficient for us.

[@fgtrhwu2]

Is it wrong to read the Quran chronologically?

[@nk518]

NO problem in that

[@cotesia7931]

No problem, because different topic

[@chandermohan1134]

No problem at all. But order of verses and chapters is a highly controversial topic. So, it is better to study it in the present available form. Anyway, the tough classical is quite serious and charishmatic and has stood the test of time. It may take decades of hardwork to recite it properly and to sufficiently understand it. SriRam.

[@BTVPic]

This explanation is as confusing as the subject itself. Especially when you read the text, one can quickly see that the order is meaningless.

[@LeMumtahina]

The end of one verse goes to the first of the second surah

[@yoosufsamir]

I pray that Allah guides us all

[@chandermohan1134]

Correct. Confusing and highly controversial topic. Perhaps there was an oral tradition in which the revelations were scattered here and there. The Abbasis compiled these scattered verses in a book form. It was natural that this compilation resulted in the amorphous and unsystematic structure and arrangement of verses and chapters available now. Anyway, this very tough classical is quite serious and charishmatic and has stood the test of time. SriRam.

[@zahidultrahd5463]

Was male interviewer not available ?

[@abdulhalim-jk9lz]

That is Dr Shabir's daughter dude

[@gabrielhospedales5384]

Sefaria

[@GarryKazparog]

There's no prophet after Jesus. Jesus said during His time "beware of the false prophet that will come"

[@d_trizzy]

What in the waffle? What a confusing reply. Everything in the Quaran seems so purposeful yet the chapters are incorrect? So... How do we know the current interpretation is correct? Something not right here. Wasn't the book put together somewhat 100 years after Mohammeds death?

[@daftyute]

its not 100 years after the prophet's death, the compilation is completed 10 years after the prophet's death they were already compiling it at the time of the prophet and continued until finally managed to complete it at the time of uthman

[@TheTruth-hc7ww]

Im Sorry but the Narrative is Just Falling apart. The Quran has No Order, Not chronologically and not even in the order of recitation. Even Numbering the Chapters makes No sense since there is No connection between the Chapter before or the Chapter After. Numbering the verses makes even Less sense since there is no way of telling which verse came first. If the Chapters are not in any kind of Order then its safe to say the Verses are not in order either. The explanation just exposes more issues, but atleast he tried.

[@jamieammar6131]

You can order the chapters in some relative ways. For example, mild chapters, where it talks about peace, and addresses people of other faiths, were the pre war chapters. Chapters that were addressed to the Jews, and where it said as long the people of the book believe, they have no reason to fear, those were from the Prophet's stay in Medinah. Some violent chapters were from the war times. The Chapter Al Imran, most of it addresses the wars, could be during that time. Some minority parts of it are indirectly addressed towards the Christians, would make sense to be meant for the Christian King of Aksum, when some companions of the prophet had to move to Ethiopia for safety and convince the King that Islam is a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Or perhaps meant for the Najran Christians. And finally, the verse where decrees come upon and invalidate everything else aside from Islam, are after or around the time of the victory against Mecca.

[@TheTruth-hc7ww]

@@jamieammar6131 The name of your Book is called Al Quran which means the Recitation yet its not read in that way. You have to invent your own order with made up concepts like Medinan and Meccan Verses, which is just a man made attempt to organize the book. If this was truly divinely inspired there would be no need to number or arrange it from Surah 1 - 114. Because the fact of the matter is Surah 1 could be Surah 50 and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference because One chapter has nothing to do with the other. Its All just confusion. For example The first revelation is supposedly Surah Al Alaq and How do Muslims know this? From sources outside the Quran in other words Man Made. Matter of fact there are some Muslims that don’t believe that Surah Al Alaq is the first revelation, and I actually agree with them because the Chapter gives no context in to suggest this was the first verse. Also I don’t know if you noticed but the Hadiths say The Angel said “Iqra” 3x but the Chapter only has it there twice. Its All manmade and the narrative is falling apart. Dr. Ally even says that 5 verses were revealed and then the rest “at some other time” which is that “some other time”… Nobody Knows.

[@Natalie-fj7fs]

The Quran has no order but in order to find and easily reference certain topics there was a need to create verses and chapters. There is no wrongdoing in that.

[@chandermohan1134]

@@TheTruth-hc7ww Yes a great mystery. Still the tough classical is quite serious and prophetic in its outlook and charismatic and has stood the test of time. SriRam.

[@TheTruth-hc7ww]

@Asani Wasabi The Truth is there is no actual proof that Surah 96 was the First revelation. Theres no context to Surah 96 1-5 suggesting that this was the very first revelation. Without that outside source there would be No way to connect the verse to the Night of Power Surah 96 is simply a verse like any other in the Quran.

[@sharonmathew2225]

The main reason for the disorganization in Quran was because the words revealed by Allah to Prophet Muhammad was not for the benifit of believers but only for the benifit of the Prophet. Whenever Prophet is in trouble Allah reveals His words to rescue him. Poor believers has to arrange it with their own efforts to understand and follow Allah's word. Very sad.

[@sultanahamed2484]

Because of this u r not believer Jesus did not recieve bible nor he compose it

[@jmdawlat]

Very well said! It is a horribly disorganized book. The part that fascinates me is that abrogated verses are not labeled by Allah as abrogated. We know from Hadith and other sources which verses were abrogated. Some people still don’t know if certain verses are abrogated or still valid. An example is the verse that was used in this video “there is no compulsion in religion”. It is abrogated by the verses encouraging Jihad, according to some.

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

@@jmdawlat the verse that forbids compulsion in religion was never abrogated you muppet.

[@joe-nn2ml]

I was doing some research. I find it interesting that Jesus died about 600 years before the quran was written by Mohammed. Mohammed said that the quran was dictated to him by the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who was sitting in a chair (Possibly a throne) in space between heaven and Earth. Who is the ruler of the 1st layer of heaven (space) and Earth? Satan is. Joseph Smith said that an "angel of light" appeared to him and gave him the book of Mormon written on gold tablets (that no one else has ever seen). What does the bible say about Satan? It says that he comes as an "angel of light" to deceive many. The Bible is the only book that claims to be the direct inspiration of God. It also claims that God Himself dictated to Moses, not angels. Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, wrote the first Watchtower Bible in 1884. (Didn't even claim it came from God or an angel. (Just his translation). So, the majority of the Bible was dictated by God and written prior to the quran and the catholic bible and the book of Mormon and the Jehovah's Witness bible. So, which one do you think we should put our faith in?

[@johnmicallef2627]

What it does give, is a true sense of man made religion and a quoran fabricated by man from different religions poetry and pre existing literature

[@DK-sm7cb]

@AB Nr There is a better way too dear which exists in this very world and just you are not aware of it

[@MB-lx7ti]

@@DK-sm7cb you mean the Bible that no one knows the actual confirmed authors of? That was written hundreds of years after Jesus (peace be upon him). That has no original Aramaic version and was edited by a King named James and has various versions other than that? That’s the “better” you’re talking about, I see.

[@MB-lx7ti]

How sure are you of your claim? I need references of your claim. Hint: Your claim has already been discussed and settled 1400 years ago by Muslim scholars and non-Muslims. Take your time.

[@Hamza000h]

You sound as silly as your surname. I suggest you study scholars and not missionaries like jay smith

[@zcevher]

This is the only generation that has no knowledge, but has opinion about everything. You don't even know how to spell Qur'an (which shows you have never even read it), and still visit Islamic channels and comment about the religion which you have no idea about... Good job!

[@rahuldiwan-007]

Still i dint get it , confused .. 🤦

[@Ex-Muslim_Danish]

Very unconvincing and illogical explanation just like Quran.... hats off to your mental gymnastics 👏👏👏

[@sultanahamed2484]

Quoran does not addresses the people who don't believe in it ones mind should be lighted up to understand quoran those who indulge in eating pig wine r not in a position to understand it