HOW WAS THIS POSSIBLE!?! Reacting to "The Engoodening of No Man's Sky" by Internet Historian

[@filipvadas7602]

Fun fact: Sean Murray himself actually commented and promoted the video for how relatively accurately and unbiasely it covered the story.... only to backpetal later and warned people to skip the last 8 minutes of the video LMAO

[@RadioDanoo]

Wow that is hilarious! XD

[@MattTOB618]

If that's true, that's the funniest thing I've read in a _while!_

[@nullakjg767]

Just like with no mans sky, he shouldve given himself more time to finish the video.

[@GatileoGatilei]

​@@MattTOB618 i think the tweets from him are still up, i remember seeing them on there

[@numbertwo579]

He probably tweeted those as he was watching it 😂

[@spirosgreek1171]

Yeah, he wasnt lying at the end. Even now in 2023, they are still creating updates for No Man's Sky. You just cant help but admire their dedication

[@thehonestreviewer7754]

The ending's not the only time he makes dramatic reading of weird fanfiction. Probably should look out for people requesting those in the near future.

[@theduckgoesmoo]

Sounds like demonetization

[@lyrenbells]

"There's no u in colour/color" the American in him is doing well.

[@Yuki_Ika7]

I am an American but I spell things sometimes the American way and other times with the British way, same with metric and imperial

[@drthmik]

@@Yuki_Ika7 the US has never used the Imperial system, we use the United States Customary System

[@DANCERcow]

The u was added by the British I think, the original spelling of the Latin? Word is color which American spelling correctly.

[@PatrickRowland-m3u]

​@@DANCERcowby the French and then Britain took the French spelling

[@PatrickRowland-m3u]

Wich before then was the Anglo Norman colur

[@RadioDanoo]

There was NO excuse for Fallout 76, and folks like I could see it coming a long way off. Most of us just wanted opportunities to play a co-op game, not play an MMO. I feel like this was something totally different in the way that it was handled in every step of the process.

[@absoluteunit2424]

As a No Man's Sky veteran, it makes me unreasonably happy to see someone new react to Internet Historian's video, welcome to the bandwagen!

[@kereminde]

I got started right as Next was releasing. I eventually did stop playing it but... the Expeditions burned me out. I missed a couple and just stopped playing after that. To be fair, it's still a great experience. It's still getting updates, FOR FREE. There's some amazing potential for fun things if you can get a couple friends and hop in together, now that you CAN.

[@absoluteunit2424]

@@kereminde I actually started playing during the minotaur update cuz I was a pretty big titanfall fan back then :P

[@kereminde]

@@absoluteunit2424 I didn't really use the vehicles all THAT much, wonder if they stood up to hostile environments... that would make them much more useful on those planets with extreme hazards.

[@maxlarivee3663]

Since The Internet Historian's video, Hello Games released almost 20 additional "major" updates and countless minor updates. The last one, Echoes Update v4.4, was released in August this year (followed by 5 more minor patch) and it promised "more to come". Although they are still working on No Man's Sky, Hello Games have released a small indie title in the meantime, and announced that work had begun on their next major project. I don't expect them to release more NMS updates for that many more years to come.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

TLDR: The internet and a good portion of the gaming community didn't get the full picture and see the full story. Also they assume that everything bad in the world is the result of a mustache-twirling Saturday morning cartoon villain because they can't grasp anything that's not black and white. Kinda similar to the situation now...

[@gyver8448]

He's using British English. That's why there's a u in colour.

[@Tashunu]

Vid briefly stated it, but because the game came out on xbox with No Man's Sky Next update, it was technically a new launch/release, which would make it applicable for rewards.

[@Speediermantis1]

Back in 2020 or 2021, I forget which, at the game awards, when everything was still being done over Zoom cause of the pandemic, NMS was nominated for the “best ongoing game” category. And it won. But hilariously Sean was so convinced it wouldn’t win he was mid drink of his soda when the award was announced and almost choked.

[@josefsieffen18]

Consider that the game was about 8 gbs in total size, and that 8 gig update comes out. That doubled the size of the game. And also remember, the game released with trillions of planets to explore. That was always there, and a big part of the hype. So that main promise was kept from day one. They still release new updates to this day. I personally pumped hundreds of hours into the game and I've enjoyed almost all of it, save for the occasional bug. It shares a great many high points with Minecraft, so you would likely enjoy it, just with a couple extra survival aspects to heighten the difficulty a bit. And it also has crossplay, so multiplayer is also a big part of it. I highly recommend it if you ever want an alternative to Minecraft.

[@theduckgoesmoo]

Basically Minecraft meets astroneer

[@valashar5313]

I put a TON of the release hype and interview issues squarely on Sony's shoulders. They walked up to a SIX PERSON TEAM, said 'have all this money for promotion' and didn't even give them a single person to help manage that promotion, not even someone to coach Sean for five minutes on how to handle interviews. So Sean was left doing a half dozen different jobs that would normally be handled by a few dozen people. It's really no wonder that he essentially went feral in the last months before launch. Also, the Hello Games team didn't LEAVE the awards show, they just never went in the first place. With all of the dumpstering they were getting why would they want to put themselves on camera when they were entirely certain they weren't going to win anything?

[@dacomputernerd4096]

The people in the beta were confused because after leaving the planet, it spun under them, so they landed in a different area Also, they've continued from there. Another update every 3 months. They have just about filled in that spreadsheet (except for things that actually got cut) Still no DLC, no microtransactions, nothing. You literally cannot put more money into the game even if you want to. Also, for Sean's reaction, he said everyone should watch the video, but probably skip the ending. You know he saw the ending, and he did not like it lol

[@xaonrider92]

I actually pre-ordered the game, but by the time it came out I had somewhat lost interest, played it for a few hours, got bored and moved on. I kinda forgot about it until the Foundation update dropped. I started getting back into it, and it was pretty fun, and the constant updates kept the game fresh and improved the game immensely. It's kinda crazy how Hello Game is, to this day, still putting out updates and improving on NMS, still with no paid dlc and no microtransactions, it's still just a 1 time purchase. To me, the story of No Man's Sky's development is inspiring, and also a cautionary tale about managing PR.

[@idrinkdiesel8451]

"There's no U in color" Unless you're British. which he is. I have been informed that he is an Aussie. I am ashamed in myself.

[@Celestia282]

Internet Historian is Australian, actually.

[@idrinkdiesel8451]

@@Celestia282 oh really? Shit, guessed I never noticed

[@TCO_404]

In case you're wondering how they've been doing after the end of the video. This is all the updates we've gotten since: 2.24: "Bytebeat" 2.30: "Living Ship" 2.40: "Exo Mech" 2.50: "Crossplay" 2.60: "Desolation" 3.00: "Origins" 3.05: "Halloween Update" 3.10: "Next Generation" (PS5, XSX) 3.20: "Companions" 3.30: "Expeditions" 3.40: "Beachhead Expedition" 3.50: "Prisms" 3.60: "Frontiers" 3.64: "Cartographers Expedition" 3.70: "Emergence Expedition" 3.80: "Sentinel" 3.83: "Exobiology Expedition" 3.85: "Outlaws" & "The Blighted Expedition" 3.90: "Leviathan Expedition" 3.94: "Endurance" 3.97: "Polestar Expedition" 4.00: "Waypoint" (Switch) 4.10: "Fractal" & "Utopia Expedition" (PS VR2) 4.20: "Interceptor" 4.25: "Mac" (MacOS) 4.30: "Singularity Expedition" 4.40: "Echoes" 4.43: "Voyager Expedition"

[@BlahBlahWoofWoof12]

Maybe this explains Duck. He was a leaked release of a program that wasn't finished yet & doesn't have any of the patches installed.

[@theduckgoesmoo]

This might be true

[@eno88]

Speaking of fanfiction... Internet Historian - My Immortal. And get Kirby to watch it with you. It would be hilarious to see which one of you breaks first.

[@Yuki_Ika7]

It was too cringe for me, and I am a fairly cringy person

[@marieporter9488]

This is my FAVORITE Internet Historian video!

[@lordwarryl5712]

My very 1st video and my personal favorite of Internet Historian. Also has my favorite Ad time. Top 10 Anime Redemption Arc.

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Best redemption arc in the games industry

[@Pylo-ry6ff]

You should watch historians festival series. Start with dashcon, then rainfurrest, then fyrefest, then the area 51 raid.

[@GatileoGatilei]

I've been really enjoying this IH trip with you! ty

[@samuelsalvatore4511]

glad im not the only one who feels like no man's sky was yesterday lmao

[@jediroshi]

Huzah. I reccomened after your last Historian video. I mean there are video game studio's out there like this. But I don't look at the big ones anymore for it anymore. I only pay attention to indie games most of the time.

[@TheJerseyNinja]

I often think, what if the trailer and media circuit that Sean Murray did for this game never showed over promised features? What if it only ever showed what they knew was going to be in the game and not what they hoped would be in it? Well for 1, the hype wouldn’t have been as big, but at the same time that would mean when it released, it would have been what was expected. Meaning would Hello Games have ever even ended up adding in everything they did? I think the main reason NMS is such a good game now is because of Hello Games’ optimism and mistakes made originally up until release. It meant they had to have that moment where they decided to do everything they could to improve the game and try to deliver on as many of those features they teased in the years leading up to release. If they had never been driven enough to put those things in their trailers and talk about them, no body would have really complained the way they did about the game, and there would have been barely any incentive to continue working on it the way they have. So in a way, the way this all went down ended up being the best thing for the game and for Hello Games. Because if they never overpromised and under delivered, the game would likely have barely been touched after release and would still be basically what it was on release, just with bug fixes

[@bencrispe9562]

Just here to inform you of the brand new Helluva Boss music video that just got released, which will probably be a part of a future episode. It's called Just Look My Way. If you want to react to this, fair warning, you will be crying by the end of it.

[@Sean-rb6hy]

Watch the Man in Cave Video next! Its such a messed up yet entertaining watch

[@watchoutforsomethingdrunka9076]

I started playing this game on Switch like 4 months ago and I love it. Dunno about multiplayer though

[@DrewconicSorceress]

Very funny you post this today considering Internet Historian just got ousted as a plagiarist by Hbomberguy

[@Dude27th]

it'll be forgotten about in a week or so, a huge chunck of IH fanbase care more about the narration and animations rather than the journalistic nature of the videos

[@Sane-Revelation]

"Cant keep updating a game forevwr without changes" "Laughs in World of Warcraft and its release in 2003"

[@theduckgoesmoo]

Wait has it really not changed?

[@tadeolaguarda6965]

8GB is a lot if It's well optimize, sadly most estudios seem to have forgoten how to do so

[@Degdreams]

This solidifies the idea that you should react to the "What Happened" series by Matt McMuscles

[@ecrosenow5194]

YES BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE

[@mercurioslevin1877]

tell that to Tod Howard XD - been repackaging Skyrim since 2011 often just adding some user made mods to it and going "give more money plz" rumour has it there is another "big update" coming for Skyrim soon according to datamining *sighs*

[@luckyshot2574]

Sean Murray is ma absolute Hero in the gaming industry. Other games who add new features would SELL them in DLC's or such shit! But he did it for free! Update after update and even DLC size stuff, all for free!

[@casaclub988]

I really hope they win best community support in this game awards, they really deserve it

[@Dreznin]

Interesting enough, soon aster you uploaded this video Hello Games announced a new game called Light No Fire. It's another procedurally generated exploration and survival game, but this time set in a fantasy world instead of a scifi setting.

[@bobogus7559]

28:18 Unfortunately, that's quite common in the United States. Not at all in England, where this part of the story takes place.

[@Inkastar-tz8yd]

it makes sense shaun would make data sets hes a technical guy thats what they do

[@jackpeacock986]

there is a new helluva boss music video out

[@saytaylor3603]

He's an Aussie (also brittish I think) there's a "u" in colour in metric system land

[@imnotcreat1ve588]

And its only getting better. I HEAVILY recommend you play it.

[@tommikoistinen2321]

They are still releasing massive updates and everything is still free. Sean Murray and Hello Games are the best!

[@artistanthony1007]

Yeah, I thought it was announced in 2016 or 2017.

[@brandentempelmeyer4785]

as someone who actually did buy No man sky the weak it first came out... yeah about the only thing you could actually do in the game was explore from one galaxy to the next. theres a reason it dropped to a $20 game in the first couple months

[@_lost_paradise5089]

I love No Man's Sky:)

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Same :3

[@BlazingFire12]

I bought the last campfire its a good puzzle game it was on sale for 15 dollars I think its 20 without the sale

[@Ponyman-1997]

Hello Games

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Hello Games! I'm Me!

[@Ruukasu97]

they are still doing only free updates, there was a huge graphical update a few days ago

[@knightofblackfyre7950]

You were probably joking but the British spelling of Color has a u in it.

[@theduckgoesmoo]

Yeah I know it’s wrong

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

"What is a trader?" _Someone that trades._

[@Aurum100]

10:23 No amount of weapons can protecc you from the Raids. :(

[@michaelmunns]

No man sky was the first game I ever preordered

[@littleraskal2621]

I have a recomendation for a video to react to around christmas. "Christmas Truce music video" by "Sabaton"

[@Krash2o]

GTA V still gets nominated for the Game Awards so it's definitely not a first year thing 😂

[@SheenaVillalobos-y9j]

In UK English, “colour” is standard. In US English, “color” is the correct spelling

[@thehonestreviewer7754]

Well, I keep trying to recommend the next Internet Historian video, but KZbin keeps blocking it from being shown. Incompetence, or are they trying to hide something from you, Duckman?

[@m4_sherman]

I think it may have to do with the “drama” that IH is going through. ALLEGEDLY, he plagiarized the entire “man in cave” video, don’t know the whole story, but that could be why

[@kerbe3]

@@m4_shermanSadly those allegations are accurate. The article plagiarized was a Mental Floss article written by Lucas Reilly titled: “The 1925 Cave Rescue That Captivated the Nation.”

[@renatoalvisto8791]

@@m4_sherman he did, apologized, then reuploaded it as an overhauled version with proper crediting and sourcing to avoid any more drama. this is basically people digging up old drama that already ended and giving it importance again just to shit on people. the usual cancel culture stuff.

[@anthonychessar7179]

Sure.....but he hid the video(unlisted it) for some time and then listed it again right as the theater videos were starting to come out so attention would be directed elsewhere. There's NO need for a "cancelation", but what he did WAS shite and he tried to hide it.

[@mikesperduti3025]

They just released another update

[@JustAHat]

an 8gb patch is pretty big for a 15gb game

[@Marquee_Gaming88]

Day 1 player and still have the game till now

[@HBKCommish]

A 8GB patch/extension is actually really big. You can't compare it Fallout 76, because that game was so poorly optimized and broken that it took a 50GB patch, and that barely even fixed the problems, and it wasn't even adding extra content. Most games patches aren't that big in size. The reason No Man's Sky patches/extensions have been so big, is because they have added so much extra content in each one they release.

[@bigfuze320]

Interstellar reaction when ?

[@Marquee_Gaming88]

You definitely need to play no man's sky

[@tigertank1819]

There is actually a U in colour if you come from anywhere that's not America.

[@Kainlarsen]

"There's no 'u' in "colour"" YES THERE IS! In the REAL English language.

[@Degdreams]

Never heard of Kotaku? OK. Not surprising, so tell me what gaming publications you have heard about before I criticize

[@colt1903]

"There is no U in color." Yes there is. He's using the UK spelling, like an actual intelligent human being! (I say, believing every human is an idiot, including myself. We're all just varying degrees of good at acting otherwise.😂)

[@eno88]

colour. neighbour. ALUMINIUM!

[@theduckgoesmoo]

I’m glad you can spell aluminum right

[@genobeast6464]

kilometer

[@Chrome_The_Artist]

I like Internet Historian, but going to be honest, Sean still lied during development, I mean, he was obviously in over his head and the media did exaggerate things, but he was lying as well. The vertical slice gameplay demonstration that he claimed was completely random and not pre-made is 100% proof of that, as well as him not really clarifying things. I honestly think it was a situation were they knew they were going to release a buggy project, but assumed they'd make enough money off of the release to just fix it after release... like a lot of modern games.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Yes but he has more than made up for the lies. A majority of the lies were exaggeration by the media.

[@Celestia282]

Yeah, but the difference is that he actually fixed the game and did so for free. The big developers release a broken game, make a half-assed attempt to patch it for a few months, and then drop the game entirely once people stop caring about it. Murray lying may be bad, but I believe he's more than atoned for it.

[@freedantheeternal]

No Man's Sky is an amazing redemption story of the industry, but Sean's also made comments now that he thinks more "failure" games should be given second chances as well, and he's completely wrong about that. It should live as a cautionary tale about over-promising and outright lying. Because the vast majority of developers would and have just taken the money they earned and went to something else. Or get shot in the head by the owning publisher.

[@miguelmercadoFC]

Lol bad day to post an internet historian video......

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Why?

[@presetregret184]

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 HBomber Guy just released a video about plagiarism on youtube. There's a section about Internet Historian. There's a decent amount of overlap between HBomber and Internet Historian's viewer demographics, so there's likely to be drama.

[@miguelmercadoFC]

​@@addison_v_ertisement1678IH got exposed for blatantly Plagiarizing a video

[@theinimitablejora522]

The new HBomberguy video gives me pause with Internet Historian. "Man in Cave" was caught plagiarizing an older article, and IH has sorta been dodgy about it? Something to be kept in mind, I guess...

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

After his DS 2 review, I don't trust anything from HBomberGuy.

[@renatoalvisto8791]

that whole thing is old as all heck honestly he already made a new version that's proper and apologized, this is just digging up dirt on someone for clout.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

This is old news. Why you digging up old shit to try and discredit someone?

[@murkyhydra6351]

tldw: they made an awful game mediocre Also Internet Historian has been exposed for plagiarising his 'Man in Cave' video from a Mental Floss article nearly word for word, and has likely done the same for other videos of his.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

just replace mediocre with decent and exposed with accused under shoddy circumstances and remove the whole thing about the majority of his videos being copied and you're closer to the truth

[@murkyhydra6351]

@@AmericanBrit9834 bro it's quite literally word for word in places what are you on about

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@murkyhydra6351 In places. Because I don't know, it's not like this was a real event that someone could go over historically OH WAIT! Seriously it's like me going over the life of Lincoln and calling me a plagiarist because I discussed his wrestling career becaue a history textbook did as well. History has no copyright holder.

[@murkyhydra6351]

@@AmericanBrit9834 it's not going over the same event that's plagiarising, its copying information word for word, using the same hour by hour format of the event (starting by him being trapped, flashbacking to get context about why he was in cave in the first place then going into the attempt to rescue him), and using the very same photo that the article used that is the plagiarising. Man I liked Internet Historian too, I watched him since the dashcon video, but trying to claim that this isn't plagiarism is just dishonest. If you don't care about Internet Historian profiting from other people's work, that's fine, but it is undeniably plagiarism (and honestly as far as we know the 'Man in Cave' video's script very well could've been written by a ghost writer with Internet Historian unaware that it was plagiarized.)

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@murkyhydra6351 Even so, the currently released version is free from that and to try and claim that his other videos are copied doesn't paint your own words in a biased light