how was this threat assessment? Vihaan Goldwaker vs Breena vs Thalia & Gitrog vs Trynn & Silvar

[@jacobski4824]

I get that Vihaan can be scary but this is situational blindness to a crazy extent.

[@traycarrot]

20:43 Bad use of your removal considering the Mother of Runes. If you are worried about lifelink, keep your treasures until blocks are declared, then remove whichever creatures are blocked to pay for Anguished. Kellan doesn't deal combat damage, blocks matter less, Anguished is potentially saved for a different threat (ie. the Avenger of Zendikar you keep groaning will kill you). Before this attack you didn't pay 3 life for the shapeshifter, saying you were already dead to the plant tokens. It's obviously not a game-changing decision, but if you're dead anyways, the hardest thing for your opponents to navigate is committing more to combat. If anything doesn't go how they calculate (ie double blocks, random tricks or removal, etc) it is more punishing to then have another body. Small chance it ever matters, but a chance nonetheless. Opponent's Anguished Unmaking was maybe because they thought you could stabilize with 12+ treasure creatures? That doesn't work, but I misread your commander and thought all treasures were creatures LOL. Idk, that was whack. Opponents seemed to have given up, but you didn't seem to be playing your best either.

[@fivecolorscotty]

It's wild that your gold span got beast within when this guy showed how fast he could get + counters on creatures, and then having a mother of runes to protect the discard outlet

[@callumreilly9107]

Sometimes I see threat assessment and play decisions, and I think "are you sure you have played this game before?". Sometimes that's probably me though haha. Cool deck!

[@0rcd0c]

Memory and bias play a big role here. Some cards that took off in the past will be remembered and possibly targeted whereas others that a player hasn't seen yet take off might go under the radar.

[@hectormorales4090]

Jesus… the threat assessment was not present here. Would love to see of this very interesting Mardu commander. GG!

[@tribalkai]

I think he’s an interesting one. It’s a shame we got locked out here.

[@TheSquadFather_]

As someone who is bad at threat assessment, even I’m not this bad 😂

[@casimirgythe2181]

Some of it might be due to how long you take. You're constantly running 10-15+ minutes longer on your timer than other players. Some people will just take you out for playing slowly. Also, clearing a weakened player is often better than keeping everyone in the game but at lower life. There's less chance of volatility if players are removed.

[@traycarrot]

Slow play will make me check out, and if I am in the lead and can kill someone, that person's dying.

[@jcstaff1007]

Breena never gets the hate she deserves. Like Gluntch. Bc someone is getting resources they don’t care if she’s a threat.

[@mattaconda77]

Sadly they dont have Gluntch and a ton of other random commanders on mtgo

[@jcstaff1007]

@@mattaconda77 which is why i prefer to play spelltable. No waiting on players for their passing priority (online-wise) and play all the cards legal and proxied.

[@nicov9216]

I think people always have always will be afraid of treasures and card draw. A lot of players are blind to the amount of control or damage another player can exert when there is a smothering tithe or rhystic study on the table. I believe this stems from a lot of players entering magic over the last 2-7 years where combat damage was less threatening than a combo win. And more easy to interact with. However recently there have been a lot of new commanders that threaten combat damage in a new way. But it doesn’t remove the years of knee jerk reaction to excess mana and card advantage. That being said I believe the worst threat assessment was the generous gift targeting your creature, but you did offer some legitimate threats near the end of the game that I would have felt needed to be addressed had you not received your fair share of neutering, but overall I think it was improper threat assessment.

[@nicov9216]

As I side note. A lot of players have a gut reaction to someone boardwiping early game also so there may have been some residual targeting due to that play.

[@Kryptnyt]

There's bad threat assessment, and then there's spite plays, and groups of people jumping into a game while on Discord... hard to tell the difference sometimes. Sometimes even the guy making the "bad threat assessment" plays against me manages to go on to win the game. I think sometimes that means I was just more of a threat than I thought. Don't like to see the sorcery speed instant removal coming out, though.

[@jonathanwalker5044]

Bad. Very bad threat assessment when Breena is obviously building up a strong boardstate, consistently drawing extra cards in a turn cycle, and been putting out damage. Floben using the anguished unmaking on your cat-demon was just so dumb when they've been holding up that removal all this time to not continue to hold it until they actually need it. Nathan claiming that they "weren't a threat anymore" is peak hubris. I'm kinda glad they paid the price of being blind to Breena, but it was frustrating to see the tunnel vision on you and your board. GG

[@tribalkai]

Saying he’s not the threat and then losing to him on the next turn was funny at least.

[@mattaconda77]

Some of the non ideal attack patterns I think were as a result of wanting to try to draw a card off breena (looking for a wipe I’d assume)

[@tribalkai]

Maybe. I don’t give that much credit personally.

[@mattaconda77]

@@tribalkai I think the partner player sort of gave up at some point when he was so far back. The killing of the Mahadi at the end seemed pretty random, but hey no one quit and that's about as good as you can hope for in mtgo😄

[@tribalkai]

I almost did ;)

[@theotherguy4478]

The threat assessment was trash. It doesn't make sense to say a player isn't a threat while the said player had a full board. It is possible the other players, who lost, don't fully understand threat assessments.

[@tribalkai]

I just assume they’re newer players when they get tunnel vision like this. Some of the choices on removal was telling.

[@theotherguy4478]

@@tribalkai It is pretty comical for the player to say Breena wasn't a threat to then get knocked out by her. Karma at its finest.

[@BlazinAllosaurus]

Typical commander threat assessment honestly. Had the exact same thing happen just last night at my lgs for 4 games in a row.

[@tribalkai]

Just have to grin and bear it sometimes. I’d just start running chaos decks at that point. Might as well.

[@xuldinga77]

its one reason I barely play mtgo anymore

[@SnowyGrass]

my god that other mardu player was so bad

[@NT_Escanor]

Some people just be casting spells with little reasoning and online it’s difficult to have table talk

[@plotwiist6817]

“I have mana, I can use it right”

[@PALIGames]

Yeah, I didn't quite understand the threat assessment. Players don't like treasures that are not theirs, and your commander (Unga bunga voice):😂 "make treasure ouchy" 😂. Who really knows 🤔

[@ufojoedude]

It's honestly impressive just how awful the threat assessment was in this game. Few things more annoying to deal with than opponents completely ignoring the board state and making terrible plays.

[@GrinningFeline]

Breena always goes under the radar for some reason.

[@tribalkai]

It’s just a few plus counters here and there. Where’s the issue?

[@xuldinga77]

this was painful to watch. worst threat assessment ever

[@brianpraamsma2607]

Vihaan is super scary when your commander can allow you to put 30+ power on the board easily like with brass's bounty or other cards that do similar things.

[@tribalkai]

Yeah but I’d worry about the actual, current threat on the board before the maybe, future threat.

[@CardboardLord]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@beardlybear6528]

2 quite bad magic players