How & where the Mustang lost 10 Horsepower in 2022

[@ManuaLiberty]

I wondered how the power decrease was implemented. Would stand to reason that restricted airflow (likely less fuel delivery and a knock back in timing as well) contributes to it. Would seem easy enough to go with a different intake and a tune to adjust would solve this quick and easy.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

I was wondering about since they announced it. I thought it was all ECU and I was half right anyway. The HC Filter is pretty massive so I'm sure that's half the story. Any tune that is off the shelf will work around it to stay with LEV III compliance. Maybe that's DiabloSport did but they could have just told me that instead of what they emailed me.

[@domdrty]

From what I've read the hydrocarbon trap is used to reduce cold start emissions.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

That's very possible.

[@rmrpony798]

Good facts on the intake hydrocarbon “trap”. MAF table scale has most likely changed. I would put a 2020 GT350 air intake on, see if a mil comes on, or how much LTFT’s change from stock after a 100mi drive compared to stock “as is” LTFT’s. Think you might get your 10+hp back, before adding a tune.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Pretty sure if I just pull the trap the MAF table will be off and it will throw a code. I plan to have it a tuner pull it and then adjust the MAF table accordingly. I don't want to mess with the spark table as I drive all over the country and there are plenty of places in the mid & south west where it's difficult to find 91 let alone 93. I think that will get back the lost 10 and we will see what else can be done to add a few more.

[@bradwoods371]

The ecu isn’t different as far as i know. There’s an extra filter of something in the intake that restricts air flow. You can easily take it out.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks for watching! Brad I think I was the one that broke the story. Not to toot my own horn but I did a series of videos on the HC trap, It's removal and the results on a dyno, as well as a follow up with some data logging. you can find those videos here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGq3hGl3q7mVfdE and here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIeTZnR4gLVlq8U

[@nickkostakis9600]

Great show brilliant and very interesting thank you very much from Sydney Australia

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thank you for watching!

[@LeadfootLou]

Excellent info Tony 👍

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks 👍

[@LeadfootLou]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs - Thank YOU

[@roymorgan5498]

Good video Tony. I'm still shopping for a 2021. Found a Jet fighter gray one but just didn't like the color so looking for blue one with manual in it. Not no big hurry .good things come to those who wait. 🤞😁

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks Roy! The blue is very nice but also rare. FJG is easily the most common color and if you don't like it you don't. Hang in there until you find the the blue one. If you want me to join the hunt let me know.

[@SDGT-xz7pz]

Great info Tony

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thank you!

[@SDGT-xz7pz]

We are getting our 22 Mach 1 soon, it’s being Built now mischievous purple . Also Tony if your not busy stop by Hershey auto museum tomorrow August 20 from nine till whenever. CJ pony parts is having a customer appreciation day there. A lot of cool things will be happening there.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Awesome and I will be at CJ's tomorrow. Bill's a good friend & I wouldn't miss it. See you there!

[@SDGT-xz7pz]

Very cool see you there. Please keep doing the great videos.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

@@SDGT-xz7pz thanks and will do!

[@epa316]

They may have just said that there was a 10 horsepower loss. Let’s say the 2024 Mustang GT is going to have 475 horsepower. Then Ford can say it’s gaining 25 horsepower over the previous model, instead of just 15. It’s a bit of a shell game.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

I thought that as well but no more. A HC Trap is going to decrease airflow and when you decrease airflow you need to recalibrate for that loss. It's not much but it's enough to drop the 22's down to 470 crank HP. I'll be digging into this more tomorrow with a video to follow shortly there after. Thanks for your comment and for watching. It is appreciated.

[@marcuswilson2147]

Hey Tony, great article. So will you be removing the carbon trap to check your theory? Can it be removed simply in 10 mins from inside the intake tube or is it more complicated and feeding the ECU info? Is the engine tune from Ford the same with or without the carbon trap? As the Mach 1 has the GT350 intake manifold and cold air system it should be tuned for higher air flow anyway? I can't see 10 or 20hp increase affecting anything tune wise with the factory ECU? What are your thoughts, thanks, Marcus

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks for watching and you are going have to watch the next couple of videos. I can tell you it wouldn't be wise to just pull HC filter. Ford did change the settings to work with the restricted air flow. It's all part of the puzzle. I do have a tuner and we are working through it to find something that will work and produce HP/TQ gains while running on pump gas.

[@marcuswilson2147]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs great, im looking forward to seeing what you find. So many people are spending 1000s of dollars on bolt on's, it would be good to find less expensive ways to add max HP that don't affect a factory warranty. For the Mach 1 only, it would be really good to find how far you could go to make actual HP increasing mods maybe 30 - 40 HP running 95/98 gas that don't involve a tune? It that possible?

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

@@marcuswilson2147 I don't think it will be thousands. A few hundred I'm sure but I'll skip the flashy non performance stuff. Really I'm going to be loosing an item and getting a custom tune. Shouldn't be too hateful.

[@budhajek6279]

​@@TonysFordsandMustangs I just pulled my HC filter off, it was pretty easy. Im not an expert but I really don't think it will hurt anything, I think the computer would adjust with the extra airflow, just like adding a filter the blue filter. Like I said, not a expert so remove at your own risk

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

@@budhajek6279 I looked at it yesterday. I'm waiting till I'm at the tuner so I get a recalibrated tune after removal. Did you just pull the MAF sensor and depress the tabs around the HC filter? That's how it looked like it would come apart.

[@KaiatheSiberianHusky]

Steeda does have a tune now for the Mach 1 for 21-23

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

I did figure out where the HP went. There’s a few more videos on the channel about it. Thanks for watching

[@KaiatheSiberianHusky]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs I took out the hydrocarbon filter plus I added the steeda tune, my Mach 1 is nice and awake now, lol.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

@@KaiatheSiberianHusky Thanks for sharing! I'll look into it.

[@KaiatheSiberianHusky]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs yw, I guess I have about 523 flywheel hp using what you have done, lol.

[@patrickmonzon6390]

I got an Sct x4 and I got my 2022 tuned by Auto Mafia Racing. And it was an email tune so you don’t have to go to them in person.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGq3hGl3q7mVfdE & this kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIeTZnR4gLVlq8U plus this kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWizmZWDhLCUbrM should help your tune be that much better.

[@scrap_metal_magic]

So sick of all these emission standards and the government alway trying to “improve emissions” on vehicles.

[@whatsthat4959]

Does this work on a gt?

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

If it's a 2022 there's a HC trap. different setup but same result.

[@arthurleon350]

Is it slower than the ones before?

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Not anymore as I figured out how to correct this issue. Check out my other Mach 1 video's as it was easy to get the HP back once I figured out where to look.

[@anthonywelborn7434]

Actually you can remove the hydrocarbon filter or do as I did and replace the tube with one from a GT350. I have over 200 miles on one with no CEL or engine issues. Other guys have simply removed the filter from the tube with the same results. Take it out Tony you will be fine.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks and I'm getting on that tomorrow and a tune on Tuesday. I will have the results posted shortly afterwards.

[@anthonywelborn7434]

Awesome, glad you and your wife are back in a Mach. I’m curious of the results, thanks for the detailed information on your channel.

[@stoneimage666]

There really was not change in horsepower reduction. All Ford used was a different scale of measurement for the emissions people of the U.S. So, no one lost any power from 2021 to 2022 models. It was just all on paper to please The National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory (NVFEL). This was stated from a Ford representative on this subject. So, all 2022 Mustang owners such as myself can relax. Plus, I have seen dyno testing from 2021 and 2022. No change in horsepower and torque.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Dax I have to disagree. I stand by what i put in the video.

[@stoneimage666]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs I understand and I saw what I saw up close. So, I respect your opinion.

[@cameronsund5477]

Whipple has been able to tune for the 22. I wonder what their findings where.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Pretty sure whipple isn't working with the HC Trap.

[@cameronsund5477]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs true but they would have insights on what was done to the ECU since all whipple tunes are built from a base mustang tune. Would be interesting to see if they found fuel and timing maps that differ from the previous years when they were going through the CARB process

[@underfedcoyote5.022]

So 2022 can’t be tuned yet?? I am buying one and was told they could be

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Anything can be custom tuned (the route I'm going) but you need to have a good tuner that knows what they are doing. I could not find an off shelf tune from the standard people in the business (other than DiabloSport) at this point in time. I did not check with Lund so that's a possibility.

[@underfedcoyote5.022]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs good to know I’m planning on using wengerd tuning just been told by a few people things locked. Since I plan on twin turbos built trans and motor I just want to make sure. Would suck to her a car and not tunable. I was wanting a new F150 reg cab but told those are locked

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

If you are going twin turbos the last thing you are worried about is a Hydrocarbon filter. :) I have a guy that can get in and make the changes. If you can't find anyone once you get there let me know.

[@The07gt]

California. What a shock.

[@coyote5.046]

They didn’t change anything they use to do this back in the 60’s there motors were under rated

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks for following along on the series! You can see what I found and how much it robbed from the car.

[@nerdymb3370]

1.30 in Cali is to blame

[@Mrbobcat7]

10hp is really hardly anything at these hp levels. I wonder what they are changing for 23 to get 500hp and what the mileage on those will be?

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Thanks for watching. It's not much but we all do things to pick up a bit of HP here or there. It's how the car community works. I think the key wording for the 2024 (how the new Mustang has been billed so far) is "close to 500 HP" Does that mean 480 to 470? We will all know in a few weeks.

[@Texas_C8]

@@TonysFordsandMustangs if its only 480 or 470 then there LIARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

@@Texas_C8 We are all going to know soon enough. It's going to be the same drivelines and close means close to 500 HP.

[@Texas_C8]

@@TonysFordsandMustangsLets see is if thats true or Not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[@zgblundell]

California also leads the nation in bankruptcy. Lol jk. Seriously though I thought that if you put in an aftermarket intake that the engine would just relearn the new airflow from the aftermarket intake in the engine. So without a “tune” for the engine the aftermarket intake would not gain much power.

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

It won't it will learn that much. The airflow tables were modified. Figuring out what happened was step one. I'll post a video up once things are as they should be.

[@TheFreemenProject]

So buy a 2021. Got it Screw California

[@nerdymb3370]

Ford says what needs to be said just like every company eff cali ny and IL 2024 Trump!!!

[@TonysFordsandMustangs]

Check out the other videos. I got it worked out and picked up more than 10 HP :) kzbin.info/aero/PLz2M3b_orpr3WOr2d853is8S6hubCkoqD