How Whoopi Became Today's Hot Topic On "The View"

EGOT winner and moderator of "The View," Whoopi Goldberg, stops by to talk about how she unexpectedly became part of the news after this morning's episode. Stick around for more from the amazing Whoopi Goldberg, and catch her upcoming film project, "Caught In His Web," when it premieres on Lifetime on February 19th. #Colbert #WhoopiGoldberg #CaughtInHisWeb
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[@Adventure-Media]

Part of the problem with the American discussion of racism is that it doesn't understand that racism in America is not the template for racism everywhere. In itself, it could actually be argued (whether correctly or incorrectly) that because of this, the American discussion of racism actually contains racist presumptions. But at the very least, it is rooted in a sense of American exceptionalism. Whoopi Goldberg understands racism from an American perspective - particularly, as an American black woman. That understanding and experience of racism is wrapped up with the experience of living in America, experiencing racism in America, and the history of racism in America. But because she is so centred on that particular understanding, she doesn't understand how racism manifests in other places, how it is experienced by other peoples, and how the histories and cultures of other countries have shaped racism in those places.

[@GalXE06]

Well stated and respectful. TY.

[@windycityliz7711]

Anti-Semitism lives. There is also a lot of anti-Asian racism in America, historically and currently. Historically, anti-Irish and anti-Italian, also put in racial terms. The one thing she got right was inhumanity of man. That's where we need to refocus.

[@freedomfinder5196]

Thank you for your comment.

[@anniethenonnymouse]

At least she's willing to acknowledge her error. I respect that.

[@charissecrenshaw1577]

Well said!

[@estherfark]

When she said white people fighting white people. I felt so alone and so angry. My grandfather couldn’t fight. He was taken and beaten and put into slave labor camps as his three daughters and wife and parents were gassed. It wasn’t a fight amongst whites. It was mass extermination based on ethnic racism. I don’t believe she gets it. If it’s not about her struggle it seems less dangerous. Those clan members would come for me. It might take an extra five minutes but they would come. Don’t forget the “no blacks no dogs no Jews allowed” we were under the dogs here in America. If you aren’t in my tribe I still care for you. Black America isn’t the only group that has been attacked. We have room in our hearts and we can fight hatred whether it’s directed against us or someone else. End tribalism. Please

[@earlr2992]

Whoopi said what said because Jewish people are white and being Jewish is not a race it is a religion. That is was not about race. The Nazi's incorrectly called everyone who was not of their look and inferior race. Being blonde haired and blued eyed is not a race. Nazis used Jews( a religion) as a scapegoat to blame them for problems that were going on in Germany. Again Jews are not a race it is a religion and that is what Whoopi meant. She didn't say the Nazi's were right in what they did she is just using the Jewish in the correct context. That's all it was.

[@jammzy2959]

That's weird. Why did you feel alone and angry? No one agreed with her.

[@earlr2992]

@@jammzy2959 I agree with Whoopi. Jews are not a race but a religion

[@estherfark]

@@jammzy2959 I didn’t see anyone’s reactions until today. I live in israel with a seven hour difference. It’s lonely to feel unseen I guess

[@andrewlevinsounds]

I am on my way to visit my grandparents who are Holocaust survivors right now. When my grandparents moved to the US in the 60’s they also were not allowed to live in a white neighborhood or join whites only organizations because they’re Jewish. Alone Is the perfect way to describe how I am feeling too

[@putt7515]

“As a black person” was her reason for not apologizing

[@gregthomas1323]

The real irony is her real name is Caryn Johnson, yep she’s a Caryn and she’s not Jewish 🥴😵🤫

[@matimus100]

Love has no colour 👫👫👫👫👫👫🌏🦉

[@freedomfighterletsgobrandon]

Edith Stein was a german Nun, who was born a Jew, but later converted to Christianity. The nazis still killed her, because of her race.

[@lady4real75]

@@freedomfighterletsgobrandon When did Jewish become a race and not a religion?

[@freedomfighterletsgobrandon]

@@lady4real75 At the time of Abraham, aproximately 3500 years ago.

[@rainbowgirl678]

I am Jewish and I was raised and educated in Tennessee. I honestly feel that rather than suspending Whoopi Goldberg for 2 weeks, everyone would be better off if in this situation if they invited Jewish scholars on the subject, the head of the ADL, etc. onto the show to talk, ask questions, engage, and learn from each other. While she may have adopted a Jewish surname, she has not lived the Jewish experience anymore than I have lived the Black experience, and because of this there are going to be things she just doesn't "get." I am also angry that the story is no longer focused on the original topic of discussion, just Whoopi's ignorant but not necessarily malicious remarks. This whole thing could have been avoided if they at least attempted to find a guest like the current head of the ADL to come onto the show that morning and discuss the ban with them, but they did not and here we are.

[@anonymousgirl799]

@rainbowgirl678 I see it as punishment to Whoopi, as Blacks aren't "allowed" to say who is White, and who isn't. I've met a few Jews who claim "White", when it benefits them, a benefit most Blacks will never possess. The fact that Whoopi pointed out "Whites killing other Whites", is what angered the powers that be the most. We are all suppose to pretend there isn't such a thing as racism, when there obviously is.

[@andrewwilliams6505]

Racism is multicolored and multicultural. No one group owns a monopoly on it.

[@kishanrao936]

What is ridiculous is that the point of their discussion was to talk about the banning of Maus. The purpose of banning that story is to attempt to sanitize the Holocaust. Instead of focusing on this attempt, going after Whoopi helps the anti-Semite agenda and shelters the bigots.

[@rainbowgirl678]

@@anonymousgirl799 That was part of my point. The Jewish experience and the Black experience have similarities but also many differences. And with that said, it would have behooved them to have someone on the show who has lived the Jewish experience to discuss this. I am a white Jew but many white Jew's relationship with whiteness is troubled because of our experiences. Our whiteness is conditional based on the views of the observer, not how we see ourself. Not to mention, bigots believe we have some kind of control over the media, and crap like this just feeds that narrative when our community has bigger fish to fry. Like the Nazis roaming through Orlando. A group of them attacked a Jewish man last night and its gotten almost zero media attention outside of local news and a few Jewish publications. The media cares more about this stupid story than they care about actual Jews being attacked. Whoopi sat down, asked questions, spoke with the ADL head and listened to him. She didn't do the typical "sorry you were offended" apology we so often see from arrogant celebrities. She realized she stepped in it and actually did something to make up for it and we never see that. This effort to cancel people who mess up or said something stupid 25 years ago, etc. is tearing us all apart and my Jewishness aside, I wish it would just stop. The cancelers just hate themselves and want to bring us all down to their level of misery, when they could instead educate and create a new ally. Counsel don't cancel. The whole concept is so damn childish yet I see folks old enough to be my grandparent engage in it.

[@stargazer1238]

@@anonymousgirl799 You met a few Jews? So now you are making Whoopi the victim because she is black, how very convenient. The problem is that Whoopi is using the ideology that only people with white skin can be racist and black people are always victims, that is the problem. The woke ideology teaches that. which inherently is a problem in itself because it denied the reality that every race has the potential to hate another race and history has shown that. That is why the woke ideology never works, because according to it, Whoopi culturally appropriated a Jewish name for her claim to fame.

[@bochica3562]

As a German, not Jewish, I think it's hard to combine superficial, entertaining tv-shows and holocaust discussions. And if you are not very educated on the matter, you may find it better to shut up about it whilst on air. 😊👍

[@wsegen]

great side step. kinda typical IMO

[@naomiarram5187]

Hear hear!!!

[@mckernan603]

Yes, but the problem is American TV doesn't have anywhere for historical discussions (History channel plays shows about UFO's), so sometimes celebs are tempted to fill in that blank. Colbert himself attempted that in 2015, but his ratings weren't good, so he became a shitlib spouting nonsense about Russia every night. Oh well.

[@freda2758]

So, don't voice your opinion? That's unfortunate.

[@f1freakf127]

sure lets jump on Whoopi why dont we right? Everyone has a right to their opinion if you dont agree there is nice way to have a discussion about it and im glad its finally being talked about because those same victims are torturing Palestine today.

[@thl205]

Generally, as a rule, no matter what wider political point you want to make, don’t invoke the Holocaust in support of your argument cos there’s a 90% chance you’ll mess it up.

[@sharonv6221]

Exactly

[@Rockingruvin]

It’s unfortunate that it’s such a touchy subject, but it IS for a very good reason. 10 million enemies of the Reich executed for their simple existence, 6 million merely for being Jewish. Whoopi’s comment appeared insensitive, though many black people have also been executed (most free of consequences for the executioners) for merely being black in America. Best to tread lightly, but intelligently, in both discussions.

[@sweetpepper13]

Good rule of thumb but that wasn't the context for Whoopie's comments.

[@nataljao1436]

@@Rockingruvin She takes the high ground based on her skin colour. Who is Whoopi Goldberg to insinuate that Jews have it easier because they do not 'look' like a minority?! In light of the 20th century alone, she should hang her head in shame. Jews are kind of the only race you have to be very careful with when casting generalizations around, exactly because of the mass extermination their ancestors experienced based on their RACE. There is no way to talk this right, even though a lot of Americans are desperately trying to.

[@sweetpepper13]

@@Rockingruvin Well said! I understand Whoopie's but don't agree with it. Racial construct is a much-needed but incredibly nuanced discussion that is often undermined by knee-jerk reactions and accusations. Race was constructed by colonial powers to subjugate. Italians and Irish weren't considered white at a point in history. Israel took a minute to recognise Ethiopian Jews as Jewish. The discussion is not black or white (no pun intended) and calls for grace and understanding.

[@celebratelife8436]

She's talking about race as discrimination in the context of skin tone. The problem with the concept of ''Race'' is that it's a social construct, not something biological, but we are still using it to define and divide people with outdated/ignorant ''racial categories'' which are mainly based on ''skin tone'', we need to get rid of that stupid method of categorizing people. When my daughter was born at the hospital, the first question I got right after I pushed her out, and she had just gotten her unbiblical cord cut, was ''What's her race?'', I was like, ''Human'', but she still got labeled as ''Mexican'', which is not even a race and I was not born in Mexico either but happen to be brown. Instead of canceling her we should be discussing why we even have to categorize each other based on skin tone? That's the conversation we should be having

[@jeffc1854]

Sadly race is biological, that’s why there are DNA tests for you. Please wake up and get these sociology bs out of your mind, you will see the truth. Words from a sociology post grad.

[@larrybarnett5799]

@@jeffc1854 only one race....the human race...the one that created everything teaches that...which is counter culture. Which is the reality my people group live in...

[@marquisemusings]

@@jeffc1854 but these tests aren't even 100% accurate nor do they just give people a right to claim access to a particular group -- see people who claim to be Native but don't get a card. Race has biological / genetic element in that we as humans have adapted to our environments in ways that have yielded phenotypic differences (e.g. darker skin to absorb UV radiation). But the social reality is that humans created a system that determined who was given access to basic rights and freedom based on those phenotypic differences. And the issue Whoopi is having is that she's applying an American view of race (based on the 1 drop rule) because that's what she knows and was subjected to. But if she traveled, read, or delved more she would see that other countries and continents have their own systemic structures. She's right though that it was about ethnicity, but sometimes ethnicity also overlaps with race. So... it's a tricky subject that I wish they would explore more on places like the view but being in experts!

[@tphillips37]

@@jeffc1854 Race is not biological. There is a single human race.

[@atifhameen196]

@@tphillips37 Jeff C can't see!

[@vinix333]

"I did a lot of harm to myself" 😂😂😂 I guess that hollywood really makes you think that everything is about you

[@fitawrarifitness6842]

The view also lost the most viewers ever in its history. 😂🤣

[@aliyahk0069]

She’s just digging herself deeper. We have said many times again, Jewish people to the Nazis were an “inferior race.” Also not all of us Jewish people are white. There are MANY Jewish people who are POC.

[@harryhaller8990]

"Jewish people to the Nazis were an “inferior race.” And it wasn't just the Jews.

[@icantwiththis]

shes ignorant

[@tonymalone9389]

race and etnicity a two differnt things.....race is color coded...ethnicity is were you and your ancestors hail from....do you disagree?

[@quicksylverg9923]

And here you dont realize hoe POC and White is just another dumb racist classification, this time created by progressives

[@jbagger331]

Good thing her fellow ignoramus is there to defend her.

[@scifimillerguy9162]

"I'll take your word for it." is possibly the worst thing she could say. If someone said that to her, regarding discrimination based on color, she would be outraged.

[@cmay7429]

Lol. But to a certain extent, you kind of do have to take someone else's word for it if it hasn't been your personal experience. I think it's just everything she says around that phrase that comes off as - "yeah, yeah, whatever." :/

[@michellemaccracken7086]

This is what made me so angry too. And don't tell me to quit expressing myself because you don't like what you are hearing. She making herself into the victim.

[@seus2731]

exactly, that was horrible

[@johns6177]

That’s not the worst thing she could say. Sorry

[@deanprice867]

You took what she said to fit your own view. Her meaning of "I'll take your word for it" came from a place of never ever truly being able to walk in Jewish shoes. And as such will never ever comment on something she has no basis or business on commenting on the future. ie. keeping her mouth shut in favour of those who know what they speak. Much like Jewish people truly could never understand what it would be like to be hunted down like "strange fruit".

[@erikandrus4387]

She says they (the View) were having a discussion - and to be fair in five minutes, given the gravity of the topic, not everything could be discussed, delved into, rebutted against, rebuked, etc., Re: Whoopi, I have watched the View semi-regularly. I have agreed with her prerogative, and I have disagreed with her - and I am sure if Whoopi knew me - she'd do the same thing too. Though her comments/perceptions on race are up for serious debate, there is no denial in what she says about man being inhumane to man, as well as woman and child. I do not jump to the conclusion she denies the holocaust. Canceling Whoopi Goldberg is not my answer, having her sit it out for exercising her right to a view is not my answer. I think her "kind, inclusive, transparent" bosses at ABC should have made this a teachable moment (for many) and done a follow-up show - where maybe she and a limited panel with guest, and more time allotted to discuss this further.

[@amante2443]

Could I (constructively) contradict the 'teachable moment' part with two propositions? (As I'm amused no one is angrily replying to your comment). 1) I suggest the severe backlash plus human nature would make most people dig their heels deeper into their (false) belief even if it kills them. E.g. unvaccinated people with COVID. 2) I suggest Whoopi's sincere and truly believes what she said. In 2015 she's made similar (but positive) points on Rachel Dolezal and Caitlyn Jenner. I’m guessing if a white man wants to identify as a black woman then dresses as one, then what Whoopi sees is what she sees. But @Erik Andrus, I agree with all your points. I think it was nice Colbert tried hard (for at least 5 minutes) to help her. I'd have PRIVATELY asked Whoopi about the Rwandan genocide. Also it's Whoopi Goldberg on the view? Trump and Biden have said and done worse. In short Whoopi had the right intention but articulated her argument poorly regarding a false belief she's had since 2015. But as the Monty Python troupe once said, "I'd like to have an argument, please" References: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i56qiHSBgdaLZpo (Whoopi Goldberg on Rachel Dolezal via the View's KZbin channel. 15 June 2015) www.thewrap.com/the-views-whoopi-goldberg-on-rachel-dolezal-if-she-wants-to-be-black-she-can-be-black-video/

[@Laura-kl7vi]

She said the Holocaust wasn't about race. Race was the main idea to the Nazis. You couldn't escape if you were even 1/8th Jewish decent. It's an incredibly important example of how a dominant group can otherize (say a group is genetically inferior), demonize, and then commit genocide. We've seen it happen before then and after in the same sequence. She wasn't open, on the View, to hearing anyone explain this. It was about how she was. Her perspective as a Black woman is also important but when a Jew tells her that the Holocaust was about race to the Nazis and she says no it wasn't it was just white people killing white people...I think that wasn't great.YOu have to see the whole thing. I don't think she should be cancelled and I don't think she's antiSemetic but just ignorant of facts that she isn't ignorant about any more. DOn't say to Jews "it's just white people killing white people" about the Holocaust, please. It might be that they didn't want her around for a few weeks she had an attitude about it and she doesn here with Colbert.

[@leavingitblank9363]

@@Laura-kl7vi Nazis and Jews are both Caucasian, so technically the same race. The fact that Nazis saw Jews as being of an inferior race only underscores how absurd their beliefs were. Then there's Whoopi, who actually *_is_* of a different race, and who has suffered racism as a result -- calling her ignorant because she's viewing it through that lens is just as small-minded as you're accusing her of being. The important point is that she understands what the Jews suffered and why. What name she calls it is irrelevant. (And what nearly everyone on this page is calling "racism" is wrong anyway.)

[@amante2443]

@@leavingitblank9363 Speaking of absurd beliefs how about our (including myself) collective sociological belief in 'race'? Please note, I'm not saying there isn't racism. My point here is twofold: 1) the idea of race, as a belief based on biological and scientific fact is absurd. 2) What name you call something is relevant and extremely important. But the idea of race is and idea I also ascribe to despite this absurdity. I believe what names or words are being used is extremely relevant and use the term absurd as it is also what was previously used (considering the comment isn't removed). Here are three examples showing why words and what things are called is relevant: First @Laura did use the word 'ignorant'. Resulting in examples two and three. These are in a reply to her with the terms 'small-minded', which can be seen as emotionally charged as the term 'ignorant'. The comment also implies there is a right way to use "racism", which also indicates what terms are used are relevant. There is a lot of power, particularly politically, in specific and correct use of terms. The main example to show how important it is the fact we're on a KZbin comments section discussing how Whoopi called something.

[@amante2443]

@@leavingitblank9363 As I was previously amused at no one angrily replying to the comment, let me refer back to my original comment of human nature and backlash, especially in terms of my statement of there being no biological basis for race. Race is a social construct and a poor one at that. Despite the current politics around Dr Eric Lander and Dr Francis Collins, Lander's said, "There's no scientific evidence to support substantial differences between groups. The tremendous burden of proof goes to anyone who wants to assert those differences". Collins has said "Race and ethnicity are poorly defined terms that serve as flawed surrogates for multiple environmental and genetic factors ... including ancestral geographical origins, socioeconomic status, education, [etc.]" Anthropologist and author Guy Harrison said, "I got more than I expected (on my first day as an undergrad anthropologist) as I heard for the first time that biological races are NOT real". If I remember correctly this is from his book 'Race & Reality: What everyone should know about our biological diversity'. In short, while I was initially amused there was no angry reply, I am contradicting myself by attempting a teachable moment which I initially stated wouldn't work. I do so to test out of amusement and to test my own beliefs to see if they're false. References: Lander's comments from 2000 archived/release from the New York Times paywall = web.augsburg.edu/~erickson/edc210/race-myth.html Collins's comments from 2004 = pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15507997/ And Straight Dope's Message Board in 2001 debating whether races do or don't exist = boards.straightdope.com/t/races-dont-exist/52387/106 Note race is different from racism Also note the above references are pre-Human Genome Project (sort of). However, the one below is not. Guy Harrison's 2010 book = www.amazon.co.uk/Race-Reality-Guy-Harrison/dp/1591027675

[@victorias6004]

"I'll take your word for it" and "I'll never bring it up again" is NOT the lesson to be learned here. Whoopi should be educating herself on other minorities' traumas, ESPECIALLY a minority whom she has appropriated and made her career off of - her real last name is not Goldberg, and she has in the past made insensitive and racially stereotypical jokes and comments about American Jews. Shame on Whoopi, and shame on Stephen & the Late Show for not putting her in her place or giving her a more educational perspective on the situation.

[@jv-ep2tc]

its a TV show not a university. get off your high horse.

[@wv77m]

It's not Stephen's job to educate her, he was just willing to give her an audience to explain what she meant which is more than she deserved.

[@mlmbeliever]

She's made jokes about black ppl too. However she never implied the Holocaust was funny. She said it was inhumane.

[@nahimgudfam]

Ok, I'll take your word for it.

[@nahimgudfam]

@OCD vitcim I've never seen him do that before. He's pretty good at non-sequitur though. Very funny!

[@oaristes]

"I recognize that I did a lot of harm... to myself" Wow, that's self-awareness we all aspire to.

[@deirdrelock1986]

Had she never learned, Hitler wanted the Jewish people gone from the earth?

[@user-qp2gb7zt1v]

@@deirdrelock1986 she know...thats..whats..terriblr ....🤨

[@smileyd5008]

@Oliver Twist This is a very ignorant thing to say, especially if you're educated about the Holocaust. Race is a lot more than just the appearance of someone's skin color. Just because someone's skin color appears to be white does NOT mean they're Caucasian by any stretch. Heritage and origin, as well as traditions and customs are what make up your race. Not the amount of melanin that pigments your skin.

[@samnass]

@@smileyd5008 And believing in another religion doesn't make your offspring suddenly change race... I agree that the Holocaust was a Racist act, but the Jews are not a race! Some of the "Jewish victims" were actually Aryans... If you look Caucasian then the probability is high that you do have caucasian DNA in your cells ...

[@incarnate478]

@@smileyd5008 finally someone with a brain!

[@iceman8801]

She took a bad situation and lack of understanding, went on Colbert, and made her look even worse! What a clown

[@hairyscotman]

a SMUG, ignorant woman....

[@lillianlittle6126]

He's a clown also. Hope and pray this is not swept under the rug...this clown should be fired.. let's wait and see if this blows over.. let's see if her network makes excuses for Whoopi. Joy has a mouth almost as bad as Whoopi....I boycott this tv show ...it causes more controversy and it's their opinions....and who gives a shit what they think .FIRE WHOOPI. Cancel the VIEW....

[@CZpersi]

Europeans look all the same to her. If there only was a word to describe this, hmmmm….

[@hairyscotman]

@@CZpersi HOLD MY BEER! RACIST!!!

[@heisweets]

​@CZpersi what do Jewish people mark off on the US census?.

[@DawnMarieMcMillan]

Oh dang…she just doesn’t understand the definition of “race” is much, much more than skin colour.

[@meganesergerie5382]

Whoopi doesn’t understand the concept of racism. Race is one thing, ethnicity , etc. Racism is another, and it doesn’t always imply the color of skin.

[@bacnthabooth]

That’s the reason She said based on her experience. Where’s this energy with joe Rogen. Looks like he still on Spotify, but she gets suspended,? Make it make since

[@carmendebenedictis-larue6250]

"As a black woman" Whoopi, I am a black Jewish woman and it was about race. It is okay to be wrong, but it's not because you were black that you were wrong... it's because you were ignorant of the topic and that's okay but EDUCATE YOURSELF

[@amandawilliams8708]

So define "race". cuz ive never heard. Black, white, Indian-asian, asian... jew. Ya keep saying "Hispanic" n "Latino" isnt a race, yet "JEW" which btw has many different races. Is at the same time 1 race?

[@amandawilliams8708]

U and a white Jewish person are not the same race. So how did u people now come to the conclusion that u r the same race? Imma need for ya to get a clue. "Race - Physical characteristics that define a person as being a member of a specific groupSkin color, hair color and texture, eye color, facial features, physical build" "Ethnicity - Cultural characteristics that define a person as being a member of a specific groupLanguage, accent, religion, styles of dress, hairstyles, social customs, food and dietary preferences or restrictions"

[@stephaniereif7790]

@@amandawilliams8708 DNA tests read Jewish DNA as Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Sephardic, Ethiopian, and Moroccan and more.

[@amandawilliams8708]

@@stephaniereif7790 JEWISH IS NOT 1 RACE! THERE ARE ASIAN BLACK INDIAN ETC JEWS!

[@amandawilliams8708]

@@stephaniereif7790 did u NOT just read the BLACK commenter saying she is a Jew????

[@slzslz7826]

she did not really apologize. must be nice to have friends in high places, to give you a platform to dig yourself further into a pit🙄

[@littleshopofrandom685]

She didn't intend to apologise, she intended to explain her thought process, which I appreciate.

[@emem2863]

It doesn't sound like she owes an apology. She isn't denying the Holocaust or supporting the Nazis. I really just think that she can't understand how one white group didn't see another group as white, so she doesn't see the atrocities done based on race but rather because of religion. While Hitler said it was racial, even he was aware that the Jewish people weren't from the inferior race of people he created to seize power by finding a scapegoat (the Jewish people). I think it was wise of her to explain herself. It also demonstrates how our backgrounds sometimes make simple things hard to understand.

[@anthonyelwick3600]

Right

[@anthonyelwick3600]

@@littleshopofrandom685 it's dumb though

[@anthonyelwick3600]

@@emem2863 she does for saying something so callus and ignorant.

[@mseatapplesauce6199]

Sounds to me as if she simply doesn’t understand the nuances of the word “race” and how it can be attributed to more than just skin tone. It’s a teachable moment for her and anyone else who lacks that fundamental understanding.

[@Janube]

Or it *would* be a teachable moment, but she appears to have turned her back on the discussion and said "I don't want to talk about it or hear about it anymore." Colbert is totally right; "white" is a label that was created by the powerful at a time when they wanted to control their power more closely. It was created to differentiate the in-group from the out-group, and the out-group included people we would now call "white," ranging from Irish to Jewish to people who belonged to the "wrong" sect of Christianity.

[@MsBahbii]

There is much more to teach because her point is not being considered. There is just a silencing frenzy to suppress opposing opinions and end open discussion. There is nothing teachable about this moment. It's actually sad for this society.

[@stephendaley266]

@@Janube so does that make the historical conflicts between the Anglo-Saxons and the Irish a racial thing? I honestly never thought of that as being about race.

[@chizza1234]

No. She clearly just judges people by the colour of their skin.

[@avantgarderne]

I didn´t know jews were a race... I just thought that was something Hitler came up with as an excuse for killing them. A religion yes, but a race?

[@CSmith-eh5op]

at the end: "I'm going to take your word for it" She still doesn't get it.

[@davidortiz2026]

No, y'all don't get it and decided to give up on trying to explain it.

[@victoriaamaral8904]

I was just listening to this guy whose grandfather escaped from Treblinka, and ran off to South America. As a jewish man, he wasn't easilly recognized as jewish by german nazis, but he was easilly recognized by polish nazis (thus the reason why he was taken to Treblinka, located in Poland). Polish soldiers were more likelly to tell german and jewish people apart.

[@annaprasek2699]

"Polish nazis"?

[@stopandsmelltheroses104]

It’s not about what you think race is now, this is history and it was about race.

[@samchapple6363]

It WAS about imaginary races with everyone and long before the US. Some seem to desire the concept to continue the victim dialogue. The Irish, Italians, Roma, the whole white people dialogue is modern racism using color to define some ‘difference’. Ethnic difference is what we are, racism is the belief in races, as a plural. No question about the past and continued prejudice but now it’s gone in both directions

[@samchapple6363]

The Spanish were the slavers, after being slaves to the Moors. Columbus, slaver..

[@erineddy7999]

Race, gender identity, religious affiliation, political affiliation, education. It wasn’t just about race. The reason this is unacceptable is because if you were different you could end up in a death camp. If Nazi government didn’t like you you could be put to death. It wasn’t ONLY about race, it was ANYTHING that Nazis felt threatened by, wealth, education, sexual orientation, ideas, beliefs, ANYTHING. I am not trying to invalidate the deaths of Jews. I am trying to get across the point that when a bully has the power of life and death they can and will come for those they feel threatened by.

[@user-bq2ni9io7q]

EXACTLY! Hitler believed that a person's characteristics, attitudes, abilities, and behavior were determined by his or her so-called racial make-up. In Hitler's view, all groups, races, or peoples (he used those terms interchangeably) carried within them traits that were passed from one generation to the next. No individual could overcome the qualities of race. All of human history could be explained in terms of racial struggle.

[@Patricia-vd9xh]

The Nazis said being “German” was a race which is not true. This is what evil does, it causes chaos and confusion so people will turn against each other. Just like Trump does.

[@sanna3808]

Also, it’s not a matter of how you ”feel” about things or what your particular perspective might be (this is even a comment to Colbert). Holocaust happened the way it did for the reasons it did completely and utterly independent of your feelings. If you don’t know by now what the Nazis did and why they did it, then there is a world of literature, research, documentaries and films about it. Educate yourself. The facts are plain to see and won’t change with different perspective

[@benbunyip]

Precisely. How could you be her age and not know what happened.

[@deeznutz8320]

@Yaya Yaya You still want rhose billions so you can keep killing the locals in the Gaza strip?

[@gaggita9922]

i was just reading a story of another family wiped out by the nazi pigs and how their tags were found in a mass grave site. i couldnt finish it because i just felt their pain and hopelessness seeing their faces everytime i see something about that. knowing human history is VERY important.

[@angelawilliamsproverbs3155]

It will always be looked at differently when you’re black it just look like two races of white people too us. If it was the Africans and Jamaican in the same Type of situation the world will look at it is black people fight in each other, She literally said nothing wrong white people are just sensitive nowadays

[@ralphsims6997]

@@angelawilliamsproverbs3155 and black people aren’t sensitive too?

[@maggietillinghast2355]

I can’t believe how people can be so critical of another’s point of view. As humans, members of the human race, our opinions are informed by our experiences, inclusive of our education!

[@toulamaccrue9906]

Wasn't the View supposed to be were she have her opinion and was supposed to be able to speak freely because she has freedom of speech? She didn't say anything anti-semetic she said it horrific . Now if she agreed with it then it would have been omg get her off the show . But she didn't.

[@jv-ep2tc]

"inclusive of our education"? huh?

[@JudyZimShadHomesteader]

It’s not view it’s history and she knows this but she is outwordly in denial of her sympathy or just don’t trust Jews as black churches teach. It was about race. The concept in Nazi ideology in which the putative "Aryan race" is deemed the pinnacle of human racial hierarchy. Members of this alleged master race were referred to as "Herrenmenschen" ("master humans") By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it was postulated that Indo-Europeans (who were generally referred to as "Aryans") made up the highest branch of humanity because their civilization was the most technologically advanced. This reasoning was simultaneously intertwined with Nordicism, which proclaimed that the "Nordic race" was the "purest" form of the Aryan race. Today, this view is regarded as a form of scientific racism and contradicts the belief in racial equality by advocating the view that one race is superior to all other races. The Nazis declared that the Aryans were superior to all other races, and believed they were entitled to expand territorially. The actual policy that was implemented by the Nazis resulted in the Aryan certificate. This document, which was required by law for all citizens of the Reich, was the "Lesser Aryan certificate" (Kleiner Ariernachweis) and could be obtained through an Ahnenpass, which required the owner to trace their lineage through baptism, birth certificates, or certified proof thereof that all grandparents were of "Aryan descent". The Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews were defined as being racially inferior and non-Aryan "Untermenschen", and were thus considered to be a danger to the Aryan or Germanic master race. According to the Nazi secret Hunger Plan and Generalplan Ost, the Slavic population was to be removed from Central Europe through expulsion, enslavement, starvation, and extermination,[except for a small percentage who were deemed to be non-Slavic descendants of Germanic settlers, and thus suitable for Germanisation In the hierarchy of Nazi racism, the "Aryans" were the superior race, destined to rule the world after the destruction of their racial arch-foe, the Jews. The lesser races over whom the Germans would rule included the Slavs - Poles, Russians, Ukrainians. ... Hitler's racial policy with regard to the Slavs, to the extent that it was formulated, was "depopulation." The Slavs were to be prevented from procreating, except to provide the necessary continuing supply of slave laborers.

[@leavingitblank9363]

@@JudyZimShadHomesteader What difference does it make what it was about? How does that change anything?

[@JudyZimShadHomesteader]

@@leavingitblank9363 it makes all the difference . When people don’t know facts they need to stay in their own lanes n not tell people shit like that

[@dracopalidine]

It's kinda ironic that her views on "whiteness" and "race" are themselves rooted in white supremacy. I don't think she's anti-Semitic, but she's definitely ignorant.

[@andrewwilliams6505]

Which is why she doesn't deserve the platform ABC provides for her. If she's this dumb on this important of an issue...

[@telebubba5527]

In this case most people are ignorant..... I'll give you this, that indeed using the words race, black vs white and stuff like that is giving in to the terminology of the opressors which should be avoided to get beyond discrimination. People are people beyond anything else. The color of ones hair, eyes or skin is merely a trait. Anybody who thinks that they can make judgment or treat them differently based on those traits commits a hate crime and should be brought to justice. Too much discussion and victim playing is going on instead of tackling this head on.

[@kommisar.]

@@telebubba5527 "I'll give you this, that indeed using the words race, black vs white and stuff like that is giving in to the terminology of the opressors which should be avoided to get beyond discrimination." Those terms are not only used in discussions by both sides of the spectrum but also used in civil rights groups' names. I'm not going to argue semantics with you, but they are used largely out of convenience, and there's no real reason they are invalid. It's not as if not using them will reduce racism's existence. "Anybody who thinks that they can make judgment or treat them differently based on those traits commits a hate crime and should be brought to justice." How is that a fucking "crime"? So long as there is no violation of property rights, people are free to treat others how they want to for any reason. If someone doesn't like you because of your skin color or race and treats you less of a person because of that, that's their right. If they decide to assault you, that's one thing, but you do not have the right to never be adversely affected by racism. That's just stupid. Seriously, are you going to lock people up for using racial slurs? You're inviting tyranny if you do that. "Too much discussion and victim playing is going on instead of tackling this head on." Ah, yes, the ridiculous leftist delusion we can just "solve" racism. Racism is driven by ideas and ignorance. You can't "fight", let alone punish, that out of existence. That's like saying we can make everyone stop being lazy. We can't even get people to stop abusing their children, and you think we can make everyone stop being racist? You're dreaming! Deluded virtue signalers like you should focus more on reducing crime or single motherhood in black populations.

[@mickyvionsellinas6743]

@@kommisar. Excellent ... thumps table , especially highlighting the dlusion left's useless views on this subject ...

[@telebubba5527]

@@kommisar. " I'm not going to argue semantics with you"👉bla bla bla " If someone doesn't like you because of your skin color or race and treats you less of a person because of that, that's their right"👉No it isn't, its a violation of human rights and of the laws of the country. Besides that it's just a waste of time and energy that could be spent for more posistive things. It doesn't have any ground and you could be passing on a terrific mate. It's just stupid. People need to be educated and there are perfect training schemes to do that. I had that in the 60's and I'm greatfull for that. It makes you grow and hear how other people think about things. (besides all the delicious food if you get invited over🤤😋) That doesn't mean you can't have critique, but that can always be worked out if you have that basic respect for each other. " You can't "fight", let alone punish, that out of existence. 👉Of course you can. That's what courts are for. When people realize that it's unacceptable behaviour it will largely decrease and not be so normalized as it is today (pff 21st century and still talking about this shit🙄) Of course it will never be fully eradicated, but you can never let your guard down. There are millions of single mothers in the word. I'm the product of such a situation and it all went perfectly fine. I was even eligible to be put in a childrens home after birth, but a doctor saved us from that situation. Hearing a couple of years ago what went on in those homes, I've been very lucky not to land there. The stories I've heard are extremly excruciating. Even though our situtation was definitly not a rosy one looking backwards, I accepted it as it was and had a happy childhood. So that's no argument or even a point. "Ah, yes, the ridiculous leftist delusion". How about just plain humanity? Are you so indoctrinated that you can only see the world in left or right? Something like a bipolar disorder? Are you so seperated from yourself that you've forgotten what it is to be a normal happy human being with feelings and empathy? I do agree that the US has a defunct police system, example the guy that was shot in his home just waking up to intruding police, as well as a defunct mental health system, example police being called to a derranged person and then being shot because of unruly behaviour. America itself is in a mental breakdown and running behind the facts like a bunch of Keystone Cops. If it weren't so sad because of the consequences it would be hilarious to watch.

[@MrSartorius1]

whoopie saying "ill take your word for it" with respect to the nazis being racist has to be one of the most profoundly ignorant statements ever

[@dougroyce5784]

🙄She didn’t say the nazis weren’t racist. She said she didn’t believe the Holocaust is about race. Sayin go Jewish people are a race is like saying Christians and Muslims are a race. 😒😒

[@dougroyce5784]

Saying Jewish people are a race is like saying Scientologist are race or Muslim are a race🙄🙄😒🙄 If you saw Jerry Seinfeld walking down the street and you didn’t know his name you would say he’s caucasian/“white”. Why are we acting like this isn’t the case?😒😒😒

[@cameronlee2204]

@@dougroyce5784 that’s simply not the case while Judaism is primarily a religion there is a clear genetic connection between Jewish people which is why on ancestry dna kits it can tell you whether you are Jewish or not which is not the case for the other groups you mentioned. It’s a hard thing to understand but based on the comparatively small population of Jewish people and tendency for people to seek to marry within those who share their values (such as religion) Jewish people share a lot of qualities that led to them being classified as a race (if not by all then definitely by hitler and the nazi party). However the question here is not whether or not Jews are a race it’s whether that was the purpose behind the Holocaust and this aspect is not up for debate as within hitlers own statements he claims that his motivation is that the Jewish people are an inferior race.

[@sylviarocha3048]

@@cameronlee2204 exactly and well said!! On every point. Jewish people are a race.. there are ignorant people commenting here that jyst do not understand. Mind you, I say ‘ignorant’ not ‘stupid’. People just do not know..

[@dougroyce5784]

What official paperwork have you filled out and the race section there is a slot for Jewish? @@sylviarocha3048

[@bakuninsocio]

The problem I have with her opinion is that She truly believes that there are Races, and nazis were lying, she decides racism in another part of the world or another period in history isn’t racism just because it doesn’t conform to American ideas of race. That´s so much an American problem, even the minorities have an imperialist view of the world.

[@dabada9541]

Exactly!

[@stephenworthington-white8294]

Being a believer in a certain religion, doesn't matter which one, does not make you of the same race. Those are two different things. There is not just one reason the Nazis killed people. Sometimes it was bigotry, sometimes economics, sometimes racism, sometimes xenophobia. Of course none are acceptable

[@lVlagnificentGaming7]

@@stephenworthington-white8294 Judaism is a ethnic religion though, being Jewish isn't just a religion. It's a racial group that can be identified through DNA. Unlike Islam and Christianity that have followers across a variety of different racial groups, the vast majority of Jewish people are ethnically Jewish. For Whoopi to say that the Holocaust was not based on race is a horrifically ignorant statement, since the vast majority of Holocaust victims were Jews murdered for their race, and we know this because they killed nonreligious Jews too. Yes they also killed communists and gay people too, but the majority of their victims were racially targeted.

[@keenanhero3392]

@@stephenworthington-white8294 Where did you get your degree in Racial snd Ethnic Studies?

[@BM-wh5qk]

Whoopi's knowledge of history begins and ends at Roots.

[@SteveSilverActor]

I would also strongly encourage watching the PBS Newshour interview about Goldberg's comments, and the intersections of race and antisemitism. It was very informative and helpful for understanding the complexities of this issue, and I highly recommend watching it.

[@4cberry]

Thank you. I am going to watch it right now. I always just thought of the Holocaust as a terrible evil thing that happened but if someone asked me if it was about "racism", I would probably need a moment to think about it. I guess we all have a lot of learning and unlearning to do.

[@Shwammi]

Thank You Whoopi and Steven for this interview. I wasn't aware of this attempt at discussion or "View" issue at all until I saw an article today and thought to look at source materials.. I gotta say I hadn't thought to look at how I've framed and re-framed the Nazi's in quite awhile. The Jewish Holocaust is the most rememberable aspect of the entire Calamity of WWII, and yes I've always seen it as a racial thing and still do. Whoopie, I can't barely imagine your surprise and .... profound whoopsie-daisy, you surely felt.... That must have inspired an intense introspection within yourself, and so many others. Thank you! To say more.... I totally understand and agree that the Jewish Holocaust in WWII is real and profound. I also understand that the Nazi's started with opportunism & scapegoating. And as much went after a popularly perceived vulnerable power structure as anything. Capitalizing on societal racism whether or not they initially believe the words they were speaking. In the end, and all along the way, it was Us vs They-ism. Yes, religious and racial lines are more blurred now. And I think Whoopie was getting to this. And her point that Nazi Germany's aggression outward towards other nations knew no racial bounds, [from my typical American perspective], should be considered. It takes away nothing from the Jewish holocaust. But it benefits us all from shining light that bigotry, racism, -isms, put us all at risk, the whole world at risk, more than we can imagine. I realize after writing this that I forgot how self-assured the self-identifying concept of Aryan-race was within Nazi Germany. Or how other European peoples may regard themselves or others. [Something as an American I can't relate to, "Caucasians" now being so intermingled from origin nations / peoples in mindset.] So... this aspect negates some of what I wrote, but not the underlaying Us vs Them aspect. So again, Thank you Whoopi and Steven for this interview.

[@ronitkohanchikahn9894]

As a Jewish person of color I am really happy to see these comments of support and understanding. I don't think I have ever commented on KZbin, but what she said has really troubled me. It is hard for people to see Jews as a race still today. Even when a Synagogue is taken hostage the news tells us it has nothing to do with race. When we diminish the motivation of the hate we just allow it to grow more freely. We should be supporting each other not knocking other groups down. We all have stories to tell and we should be more open to listening to stories that our different than our own.

[@kevinkattau6391]

good job making it about you…… what a pointless comment…. should’ve kept the “no YT comment” streak going

[@Mrcuddlesworth_]

@@kevinkattau6391 Is this not about Jews?

[@shugstobin7331]

Well said. It's a shame whoopi will never see your eloquent words

[@kevinkattau6391]

@@barsewasdd2984 ty, and you get the dumbest troll comment… “ are your parents are siblings ?”. ..very original

[@alvinmacklin3970]

why does the fact that jews are targeted by gunmen, etc., go towards designating them as a race? honest question, i don’t follow your logic at all.

[@Sbeth85]

"I already know, I get it. I'll take your word for it, and never bring it up again." Does this sound like someone who actually understands why what she said was wrong? Could you imagine if this was how other people "apologized"? Smh. She can't seem to grasp that racism isn't just about skin color.

[@centurion726]

She basically said in my world I am right but you can think what you want, don't talk to me anymore about it

[@Mila-Nova]

Imagine if a white person said this. They would be fired without question. Its just such an ignorant thing to say.

[@alibrooks7495]

the way she said "I'll take your word for it and never bring it up again" sounded so petty and arrogant honestly. This was not enough of an apology

[@tajgibson8776]

Racism is all about color!

[@alexbeardsley751]

@@tajgibson8776 yah sure ok

[@ariannahaviv8025]

Whoopi: I thought this was about white on white violence and people misunderstood me and I don’t want to fake apologize. Also Whoopi: the Nazis lied and most of the people they killed were white. Through this dialogue, it’s pretty clear that she didn’t actually learn anything about race or Jewish history. I believe she’s sorry for hurting people, but I don’t believe that she realizes just how misinformed she is. She has a unique perspective on race because her race is attached to her skin color, but other than that, she lacks the historical perspective about this issue in particular.

[@spoolafool]

So why is Jewish not on any applications under ethnicity with the rest of the races?

[@ariannahaviv8025]

@@spoolafool I'm glad you asked that question! The answer is actually that this was changed after WW2. It wasn't until after WW2 that Jews were considered "white." Prior to WW2, applications did actually distinguish them. Fun bonus fact: Even after the inclusion of Jews as White on formal applications, many institutions, such as even Harvard or Yale, still did not accept Jews until the 60s and 70s! So, in context: The War with the Nazis was about race, because at that point (and to many people), Jews were not/are not considered white. There are also Jews from North Africa and the Middle East, so this blanket statement that "Jews are White," can be problematic. So, even to this day, though many people legally consider Jews as "white," they historically are not/were not. If you are interested in learning more about the racial discrimination against Jews as a race, i encourage you to read about the Nuremberg Laws, which were basically like the Jim Crow Laws, but against Jews in Nazi Europe for over almost 2 decades.

[@spoolafool]

@@ariannahaviv8025 I get all that and understand all that but why then has it not been added since you all consider yourselves a race? What box have you all been marking all these years ….

[@sbohlongwa9150]

Wait wait educate me. Say I'm born in a family of Jewish religion but I become a Christian, my race on the home affairs is down as white. Now I'm a white Christian did my race change?

[@ariannahaviv8025]

​@@spoolafool Ha! That is a damn good question. Basically, after the Holocaust, it became a political tabu for governments to treat Jews as a separate race. Over the decades, "white" just became an umbrella term for anyone from Europe, Middle East and North Africa. We were included after the Holocaust as a way of helping Jews to be less separated, so we absorbed the label and some of its privileges over the decades. I think in 2022, most Jews with light skin would just call themselves white, but what I'm saying is, historically that was not always the case. The thing is, whatever box we check on applications in 2022 is really irrelevant. The debate about whether the Holocaust was about race, which Whoopi said it wasn't. Before/During WW2 +Holocaust = Jews not white. Racial conflict with Nazis. After WW2/Holocaust = The Western world considers Jews "white" on documents. Whoopi says the Holocaust wasn't about race = False How we are labeled or identify ourselves now doesn't really matter in context to what Whoopi said. Whoopi said that Nazi Germany was not about race, and that is a historically false statement. She is judging Nazi Germany's standards of race with her modern perception of what "white" is. Regardless of whether Jews are considered white today, Jews were a separate race back in WW2 times. Still, antisemitism exists, especially among White Supremacists, who also consider Jews different. www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/magazine/im-jewish-and-dont-identify-as-white-why-must-i-check-that-box.html www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/210335?journalCode=ajs

[@Marco-yj2tl]

Since when, what you FEEL as a person is history and facts?

[@Aboleo80]

I understand what she is saying. People seem to think "Muslim" is a race. I am a white European Muslim born into a Muslim family that moved to the United States in the '90s. I've heard so many anti-Muslim things said in my presence that I don't want to repeat here yet when I tell those people that I am a Muslim they go "you can't be Muslim you are white!" I literally had work colleagues talk vile stuff about an Arab coworker thinking he is a Muslim when he is actually a Lebanese Christian and they are saying these things so freely in front of me because I'm white but they had no idea I am a Muslim.

[@davidwolf2562]

so sorry that you have to be on receiving end ... it is all human depravity ... but all humans are not depraved ... you aren't ...

[@patricialopez-wd1xe]

You are lucky because you're white. Just imagine how the blacks and Asians feel when they are singled out because they're not white.

[@kenc2257]

@@patricialopez-wd1xe Well...ACTUALLY, he is very much 'unlucky' [and unjustly denigrated] because he has directly experienced anti-Muslim discrimination and prejudice...

[@albertareid8850]

I understand what she said. Also, I will never bring it up Again

[@laurenhall1070]

People don't know who to hate anymore, because of this or that or being different. So maybe just start to love and embrace those differences instead. "They don't know what they say or do." Quote from; "Jesus Christ." 😉

[@johnpickens7626]

I like how she thinks she was misunderstood, no you were just wrong:

[@josflorida5346]

Treat her the same way they treat Republicans. I'm surprised they even act so nice letting her explain. She has gone off on people for less

[@johnpickens7626]

Or we could just judge things on a case by case basis instead of doing something based on anything that has to do with republicans or partisan politics

[@k.c1126]

You added a word there - lemme fixya: she thinks she .... Misunderstood ...

[@publicanimal]

So what? Do we castigate people for being wrong about the history of ANY other historical event?

[@johnpickens7626]

I'm just one person, and I generally agree with the "so what" part of what you said. I just thought it was funny, but I don't think calling something wrong qualifies as a reprimand. It would be more interesting to me for sure if she were under scrutiny for being inaccurate about a more benign piece of history.

[@CyclopsWasRight616]

If I had watched this 4 days ago, I would have commented something like "She's lucky she's a minority or they would have fired her." And then I would have felt smart the next day.

[@kylegoldston]

You got it wrong, if Megan McCain's privileged self had said the exact same things she would have been " educated " on air and MAYBE sort of gave a half hearted apology followed by " but I'm entitled to my opinion ". There's no way the producers would have publicly shamed and embarrassed her for this, there was no malice in it, it was really semantic and unintentional. In fact I find it slightly offensive because she was attempting to give cover to White Racist by saying that they were Racist towards " others " of European ancestry. Thusly Racism isn't really a thing because " Man's inhumanity towards man ". I've heard this before.

[@Louis-ew8mx]

Except she’s not fired, and if she was white she definitely would have been 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@kylegoldston]

@@Louis-ew8mx Wrong, Megan McCain said far worse for years and years.

[@MichelleLyn84]

@@kylegoldston what has McCain said that is worse?

[@gborsonello]

I live in the Netherlands for 20 years now, I speak fluently Dutch, I dress like them and find myself doing a lot of Dutch stuff. I am not black, -look at my picture-, but Dutch people will immediately know that I am a foreigner the moment they lay eyes on me. The Dutch will be able to point me out of a crowd as a potential foreigner. Sometimes people will address me in English when first contacting me and I often get the question where I am from, despite my fluent Dutch. The binary concept of white vs black is not the only demarcation of race, if one wants to use the term 'race' to define how ethnicities physically differs from each other.

[@karuwhaa]

It's a very American approach to refuse to view racism in any other context other than the American racism to which you have been accustomed to. The fact that racism does not grow, or show itself in the form you are not used to in other contexts does not therefore mean it is not racism, or that those actions are not racially motivated. The fact this even needs to be explained is baffling.

[@kommisar.]

You're just regurgitating leftist garbage of how you can re-define words to fit your agenda. "Race" and "racism" are very specifically defined. It does not manifest "in different ways" contrary to your imagination.

[@karuwhaa]

@@kommisar. depending on your context racism does manifest in different ways. At no point did I define what racism was. It's stupid to pretend that it doesn't. All I simply said was that the American view of racism does not preclude racism for existing within other contexts in different ways. Essentially saying that racism is not limited to skin colour, as seems to be Whoopi's view of racism. Go off tho.

[@calundoconteal6851]

@@kommisar. How is this the same as redefining racism as many leftists do? They're simply saying that Racism in America was usually experienced through the lens of skin color, whilst in other places, such as Europe, there was racism based between those of similar skin colors, but from different groups. It's still the same thing, just manifested differently on the surface. Not the Leftist garble that you are asserting. Many leftists are defining rasicm as a system of oppression aginst people of color, which is complete bullshit. Racism is the belief that another race is inferior or that ones own is superior, and that one can judge the traits of another based on their race. This happened in Europe, happened in America, and happened anywhere. It doesn't have to be from Whites oppressing people of color, it can be Germans harting Jews, or even Jews hating Germans. It's all Racism, regardless of a system of oppression or if its black on white.

[@misswinnie4.8]

It is called CRT critical RACE theory

[@freedomfighterletsgobrandon]

Edith Stein was a german Nun, who was born a Jew, but later converted to Christianity. The nazis still killed her, because of her race.

[@MadeMeSmile1]

I am an Orthodox Jew who wears a Kippa and Tzitzit. You can see I’m Jewish at first glance. And in case I ever forget, I’m often reminded by people with anti-semetic slurs. Whoopi is speaking in generalizations, and definitely has some educating to do.

[@moderndaypirate8931]

I have people call me Jewish because of my nose. It’s typically used as a form of insult imo. Like as if I were Jewish it was a bad thing.

[@memekendall3197]

Yes! Don't we all.

[@bdp8102]

Plus, it's truly ridiculous if her to justify her ignorance on the basis of her experience, as if one could only rely on direct experience to know what the Holocaust was and how Jewish people were targeted. I'm not Black nor Jewish but I have a notion of anti-Black racism and anti-semitism, because we have history books and news outlets and the testimony of past and present victims to teach us about them. She makes an argument that is dangerous for all marginalized groups, and is often used against the very marginalized group she is a part of, i.e. "if it's not my experience I won't bother learning about it".

[@jcarc5701]

@@bdp8102 This has to be the most dishonest comment ever. All Whoopie said is that you couldn’t identify a Jew on sight. So unless the nazis were doing onsite dna testing, or everyone was wearing some identifiable head dress, or as you say they identified you by nose (which nonsensical and insulting), everything she said was spot on. I thought we are past claiming every incident to be racism? Who knew?

[@MrJDLEGG]

@@jcarc5701 for real. I don't agree with Whoopie G on most topics, but she's making a valid point here.

[@noreenconstantine4612]

My mother was a war bride and they had racism of all types We once had an argument about her comments about Polish people, etc Whoopi seemed to think that racism is just about black skin

[@sounsure9108]

I was thinking about how polish, Irish and Italian folks were all held in contempt in modern history. The English thought they weee a different race then the welsh In ancient history the concept of barbarian, from the Roman’s

[@celticpridedrums]

She never said she was sorry, and she did not admit that the Nazis wanted to eliminate JEWS --not just "other white people" no they wanted to kill and exterminate Jews--it was absolutely a racial issue. Whoopie needs to LEARN something here.

[@stuckn.derplahoma562]

She had the right to remain silent just not the ability...

[@aviewer9516]

@Valiazaner I respectfully disagree. I don't think she ever said that it was NOT a genocide

[@aviewer9516]

@Valiazaner I'm sorry I didn't take it that way at all. I think she clearly stated that how humans treated each other is tragic. What she didn't include was that within the white race, they can see each other as different races, which obviously is not very clear to those outside of that race. Like I stated previously, the definition of race can be different through different lenses based on one's own background/environment/culture.

[@aviewer9516]

@Valiazaner I totally disagree, I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from what she said. She was just pointing out the inhumanity that people within one race (White) can do to each other in this specific case. What she was stating that in HER perspective as a Black person, that because she nor most people would be able to tell if a White person was Jewish or not, it wasn't a typical racial situation such as White against Black or vice versa. I have listened to the interview multiple times and after seeing the comments on here and getting attacked, it's appalling to me that some people are just misunderstanding her INTENTION.

[@lovegas913]

You can’t change history just because you “feel” a certain way

[@AS-vq3wt]

Exactly. She either doesn't get it or is simply avoiding a true apology. It's all about her.

[@heatherdikes4477]

You do know that they killed other people not just Jewish people right?

[@kays113]

That's the left for you. It's always about feelings.

[@kays113]

They made her apologize because of the statement she made. She never apologized for anything that she says on her tv show.an I say her because she gets away saying so much things, that is insulting. So people told her to apologize. She's just uneducated an it's really sad hearing people still talk about the color of skin and not just look at a human race like a bunch of other countries.

[@heatherdikes4477]

Oh but we have changed history according to how people feel. Because Hitler and everybody else apart of his regime. Killed thousands upon thousands of people that are disabled, gay ,lesbian ,transgender, Older people, sick, wounded, anybody that was foreign that was in Germany at the time. it didn't matter what race or religion they were. But somehow those people are all forgotten left in the background not mentioned never brought up downplayed just like the mass genocide of the Native American people. But is still happening today. All because certain people feel like it was all about the Jewish people. which I could see why they would feel that it was all about Jewish people. Because of how many of there people that they killed. annihilating... it wasn't all about the Jewish people. It was about having control and making a pure Aryan race which leaves a large gap of people to torture , attack and kill and murder off. Which included numerous other types of people that weren't Jewish. But anyway I just feel like I have to say something about the way people feel it's okay to teach history without speaking the whole thing.

[@Hymanator]

A lot of people can't tell if the term "Jewish" refers to a race or a religion. I've seen people argue about that before. The argument I witnessed started when someone asked: "If a Jewish person converts to a different religion, are they still Jewish?" and someone replied that Jewish isn't a race. Whoopi's misunderstanding seems to reflects that same debate.

[@larrybarnett5799]

read the bible...its very clear....

[@skurasch]

There's no debate or argument. Being Jewish is an ethnicity and Judaism is a religion. When I take a DNA test, it shows that I'm 100 percent Ashkenazi Jew. Think about the term Christianity. The term comes from the word Christ. What does Jew have to do with the religion of Judaism? There's no God or prophet called Jew. The reason we are Jewish is the same reason someone native to Germany is called German. We come from the land of Judea and are therefore Jewish. Judaism got its name only because it was the dominant religion of Judea. This is also why Jesus was labeled Jewish because he, too, was from Judea.

[@jagarfi]

Nazi Germany/German occupied territories was not as individualist as we are now. Many Jews (like many peoples in general) were easily identifiable by their community, their profession, possibly even mild differences in gait, accent, and haircut - even if we're NOT including the obviously-religiously-dressed Jews.

[@FilmsYouHate]

I was in the audience for this show. I swear to god, it was about twice the length of this, and at one point stephen made the joke about how she was the first person with the last name Goldberg to be accused of being antisemetic

[@brianglisson968]

WoWWW

[@joebenson528]

Her real name is Caryn Elaine Johnson.

[@kisha4040]

@@jettv3491 Oh please. Candace Owens calls Black people monkeys and still has het show.

[@JewTube001]

was waiting for that joke!

[@misswinnie4.8]

@@kisha4040 do you have a link or reference?

[@arniewolsky3638]

It's like watching someone in quicksand. The more she struggles, the more she sinks. All she had to do was say she made a mistake but she couldn't leave it there.

[@k.c1126]

Man. She doesn't think she is wrong. She said she wouldn't lie about it. I have a wonderful reading list for her. Perhaps if she gets in a quiet place where she can come to grips with alternative views, she might get to a better place.

[@Brandon-qr2or]

@@Yasmine-mm1yc is that what she said? Can you give me the time stamp for that

[@lethrneck4]

@@Brandon-qr2or come on man, are you even trying to defend her if she was a moderator on FOX? the Left has made many recent very close to anti semetic statements as the Right does...we have 2 Muslim congresswomen, both have had to apologize countless times for their comments on jews..and Rep. Omar was censured by Congress over her remarks...why defend it..what whoopi said was just wrong, as every holocaust historians and expert has said since her comments..

[@johnalbert5786]

@@lethrneck4 ~ agreed. Btw~ which conservatives made anti Semitic comments ?

[@sallieannwestbrook9769]

I just don’t think what she said was that horrific.

[@jeaublow]

I guess she doesn't know about Jesse Owens maybe she should read that biography

[@SkipPriest687]

This is painful watching these two interact in a conversation

[@josuedeleon3054]

it's called racism, not colorism. literally in the name. don't know why she can't tell them apart

[@Karajorma]

_literally in the name_ How do you define a race then?

[@rcsahlin]

@@Karajorma What do you call a black person who has albinoism? Would you call them white when they aren’t? It happens in animals like bears, moose and kangaroos and many many more. We don’t call them other names their names stay the same. Jewish people had to wear a star to show they where Jewish. Many people who had blue eyes and light hair weren’t killed during the Holocaust those things also don’t define if someone is white.

[@Aaronlune]

Words have descriptive definitions not prescriptive definitions. She isn't using the same definition for race as you are.

[@Nef22]

Cause her brain is small

[@deeznutz8320]

@@Nef22 Jews with the racism

[@NotSandraBullock]

She is using US racial definitions for a non-US issue. Different regions divide people differently, so this creates an issue when she speaks. I think she brings up an interesting point, but in a very poor way.

[@petebagwell6666]

They all think they are the only country that exists, they believe they created all good and bad things

[@LordIstar]

This is true. It perfectly exemplifies the failure and ignorance that comes from ethnocentrism and the importance of cultural relativism when trying to understand important issues outside of our own culture and scope of experience.

[@criscalovis]

That exactly what it means that race is a social construct, each society has its own definition of it, and those definitions does not match between different cultures

[@LordIstar]

@@criscalovis be that as it may, that doesn’t give any culture the right to try to define another culture’s struggles and history from their own point of view. That the holocaust was motivated by Nazi philosophy around German racial superiority and targeted the Jewish people in Germany and invaded countries as a race is not a matter of point of view or opinion, it’s a matter of historical fact.

[@seosam652]

Even when talking about slavery, Americans act like slavery only started when America was founded. Despite slavery being around throughout a lot of human history. I suspect the people who built the great pyramids in Egypt were not paid minimum wage and were more likely slaves.

[@leslienaradikian5306]

I don't think she said it to be offensive, but given how others have been fired and cancelled for less than that, she needs to be treated in the same way.

[@LeftInBama]

Either that or we should collectively stand up against cancel culture anyways and for everyone

[@rosesareredmydear]

I totally agree with you. I don't think she meant to be offensive either, but she was. Much more offensive than others who were fired for their comments.

[@Mirage63]

Nonsense. Why is it only the people who meant no harm are cancelled while the outright nazis and fascists saysing things they MEAN to insult and offend never give a flying fu&&? You are cancelling the ones ON YOUR SIDE just because of an error while not even bothering with those who are actually nazi racist vile turds. Land of the free, home of the brave? How is this freedom? And how are the people ONLY attacking their friends brave in any way? They are not. Attack the nazis and not the ones on your side.

[@agamemnon9753]

2 conclusions I have based on this: 1. Americans have some lacks of historical knowledge that lead to creating of new 'interpretation' of history. 2. Whoopi sees world black and white

[@PaulBlank85]

Simply put, she's ignorant on the history of race and racism and while I don't think she's anti-Semitic she does have a rather narcissistic view of "it's not how I, as a black person experience racism therefor it's not racism"

[@dsadik666]

That's because she and the left believe blacks can't be racist by definition. The new sjw standard.

[@PEZ1514]

a black american. Be a black in Rwanda during the genocide

[@dwybo646]

@@PEZ1514 exactly. These people are insane

[@randomname4726]

@@PEZ1514 You do realise that there is White and Asian genocides FAR bigger than any Black or Jewish ones. They are ignored though so Jewish people can be special.

[@randomname4726]

@@dsadik666 I do agree that people thinking Black's can't be racist is utterly insane and highly racist itself, but Whoopi did nothing wrong here.

[@mohammedanasirfan2221]

I was a professor at a university in Oklahoma and we were in a book club talking about race a few months ago. I was talking about my experience facing racism as an Asian Muslim in America and Europe and one of my colleagues told me "but you are white!". This is exactly the kind of behavior which leads to so much hurt. I may have fairer skin than most Asians but my accent would make it very easy for anyone to discriminate against me (and people have!).

[@RONPEE-STINGER]

No they didn't stop the 🧢

[@camolive3727]

The left wing pushes racist nonsense because they think that it’s beneficial... that it’s “for the greater good”... it’s pathetic.

[@richardcamarenaiii]

Reprehensible. This is exactly why the Holocaust needs to be understood. It is one of the greatest crimes of human history, and it exposed the true evil of racism. Racism can be about skin pigment, dialects, customs, random physical traits, and geography. That many Americans still don’t understand the wide extents of racism, the possibilities of that evil lifestyle, is sad. Racism as an idea is advanced enough to be confusing. It’s why we shouldn’t let it go. Not in jokes at dinner, not in work meetings, and not even among those who face racism themselves. Everyone has the responsibility to eradicate racism. Good luck to you, I’m a college student in a very liberal area and seeing racism exist here has been sickening. We shouldn’t give in to it, not ever.

[@MFamilyFishing]

Yep, some people are ignorant or blind. It doesn't necessarily mean they hate your race. Your fair skin is what they see. It doesn't mean they're racist. Some people are easily offended and defensive too.

[@benmac1089]

This exact thing happened with Tim Pool (mixed race Asian and white) who had RA the Rugged Man on his show. RA said that because Tim looks white he must have not had actual discrimination. Tim gets rightfully furious as he recounts various events in his life where he faced discrimination. He later made a video with his sister explaining their upbringing in Chicago and proving he wasn't wrong.

[@wasiah]

She didn’t learn a damn thing! She will take the Jews “word for it”. Wow, just wow!

[@coryography6929]

She said “im going to take YOUR word for it ….. they way you typed it made it sounds way worse

[@krimbii]

Yeah because she can see what is plainly obvious. They are white. It's you who didn't learn a damn thing Heidi! Ya frickin RACIST

[@wasiah]

@@coryography6929 that’s fair, your right, that was her exact wording. But the premise is the same. She didn’t learn a thing.

[@wasiah]

@@krimbii really, get a life ya racist!

[@wasiah]

@@krimbii it’s funny how people who are ACTUALLY RACIST call other people racist when they have no evidence or reasoning to stand on. Your showing your true colors my friend…

[@doretheacoleman3913]

Shouldn't have lost her "job". I've learned A LOT to say the least in this past week about Shem and Semites🤷

[@jajadoll]

Says “I don’t want to fake apologize “ also says “I’m sorry YOU misunderstood me”

[@cindyhill9091]

I think that's the part that is most disappointing to me. She had a chance to truly apologise and she chose to defend herself instead. Losing respect for her more and more as time goes on.

[@devenbrown761]

@@cindyhill9091, what is she supposed to apologize for? Her opinion?

[@nytrell100]

She did apologized

[@jajadoll]

@nytrell100 It’s because it’s a hollow apology. When you’ve wronged someone and you say something along the lines of “I’m sorry YOU feel that way” or “I’m sorry YOU misunderstood me” that puts all the blame on the wronged person for ever being upset about what the person did. Instead of a mature apology that would actually take responsibility for what they did.

[@leavingitblank9363]

@@jajadoll I disagree. A person can still feel right in their opinion, but be sorry that their opinion caused someone else anguish. She's apologizing for the distress she's caused, not for her opinion. She has no reason to apologize for her opinion.

[@devilhorn1]

Wow, what a non-apology. Even when Steven throws her a softball and says “but do you understand that the Nazis saw it as race” she literally say “well no, because the Nazis lied.” Despite having clear documentation of them saying “the Jewish race” over and over, in order to keep from truly admitting she was wrong she just tries “no, see, they lied.” She’s not apologizing, she’s saying “because a small part of what I said contained a valid point, I refuse to see the rest of the issue and [SHE LITERALLY ENDS THIS WAY] I just won’t talk about it again.”

[@KM-mf1se]

Well she's not wrong though. The Nazis did try and make the Jewish people into another race which is part of the problem. They used the system of racism as a way to push their agenda. Similar to the Rwandan genocide. You put neighbours against neighbours who actually aren't all that different. Also, question for you devilhorn, are the Jewish people a race?

[@who-arewe]

@devilhorn1. Exactly! 💯

[@who-arewe]

@SIMPSON Bart. Yes, in today's time WE know that we're all one human race but there are modern time neo-nazis and Nazis from the 30s/40s that based their whole schtick on how Jewish people were a "race" of people. And then they took the next step which was to dehumanize them, an spout off that they were genetically inferior which opens the flood gates for them to systematically eradicate them from the earth. Also the quote you wrote was written in the 60s which was 20-30 years AFTER World War II.

[@patriciawilson9666]

@@KM-mf1se No,she was wrong.

[@rael1999]

@SIMPSON Bart ...Despite what any bloody journal says there's only one race of humans on the planet and that's the human race, that all stemmed from Ethiopia, everything else is all about ethnicity. People look too deep into these things. The treatment of Jews by the Nazis and the treatment of Black Africans in say America in the 1800's is no different. It's the victimisation and discrimination of a certain ethnic group because they're seen as being different. To try and somehow say one is different over 'word classification' is quite frankly embarrassing. Both were horrific and appalling.

[@MadameLadyM]

I thought Jewish was a religion. I asked a Jewish friend about that and she said she was German and Norneirgen. I still don't get it.

[@amyreynolds3619]

Being Jewish is a religious thing, not a racial thing. Hope you understand that.

[@BH-sn7ws]

There is only one race, the HUMAN RACE. There are many cultures but only one race. 😊

[@tonyataitt8474]

She isn’t torn up that she hurts people with her words. She is torn up that people are saying negative things about her.

[@Pbadome1]

I agree on the first part. But I highly doubt that she cares about what people say about her, she's doing damage control, that's all, and it's because of her status on The View. Her only reference to President Trump was " you know who", she'd never say his name because he's a racist, oh how that karma seems to work quicker now, kinda' smacks ya' right in the face.

[@udopiarecords]

She didn’t say anything hurtful at all to anyone, people added unnecessary interpretations. Only thing that happened here is her misunderstanding of racism as a global force, coming from a bias American POV.

[@kayd7485]

@@udopiarecords exactly! And instead of asking what she truly meant everyone got defensive and offended.

[@Pbadome1]

@@udopiarecords Ask a Holocaust survivor or their family if they were offended, there's no misunderstanding about what she said, she's ignorant and took no steps to educate herself before going on the Late Show later that day.

[@Pbadome1]

@Pamela Renee That's one person.

[@hillakatz5855]

is it me or did this apology have more to do with herself and how she felt about it as opposed to how it affected an entire community?

[@deeznutz8320]

Oooh booohoooooo Ever thought how Noel Ignatievs work could offend Europeans? No of course not you dont care about anything but yourselfs and your goals

[@jackclothier7985]

This was the worst fake apology I’ve ever heard

[@janekocorek3313]

It is very ironic that her co-workers, friends, neighbors, her TV family basically, quickly threw her under the bus to save their own comfort level in life. She mistook a subject and spoke out ignorantly. Who has never done that? Here is a fine example of actions speaking louder than words. It would have been easy, smart, and good to gently guide her out of this conversation and yet no one did. Wow! Who wouldn't love such good gal pals?

[@_Sakidora_]

Getting it wrong in the first place was one thing but going on this show and doubling down on her ignorance while wallowing in self pity is quite another thing. It isn't anyone else's job to make her less stupid.

[@lrjtmntfan]

I remember being introduced to the history of the holocaust by watching this movie in high school, my favorite teacher who happened to be Jewish, brought to us. As we were watching the movie about concentration camps and the horrific things Jewish people went through, I saw my teacher cry in the distance. I didn't understand why and I didn't even know he was Jewish until he actually told me. I was so sad because up until then I didn't even know racism existed beyond black and white people....it just shows that its important to learn your history and teach to bond and love one another in spite of our differences.

[@zvipatent]

Hugs to you LaMont. I am pleased that you know about anti-Semitism and I know about anti-Black racism. Peace - from Israel

[@RRRERPBWRP]

Thank you, LaMont. I really, really love this post and your thoughts.

[@lrjtmntfan]

@@RRRERPBWRP thank you! I just wish we can do better....doesn't seem like many people want to. Your last name is Reed too? Hey we may be cousins! Ha

[@lrjtmntfan]

@@zvipatent thank you, my friend!

[@jenniferday7893]

I think it's important to note that scientifically respected studies have been done that show Jewish people several generations removed from the Holocaust have literal PTSD from events they never experienced personally while living in countries that made it illegal to use Nazi symbols, songs, and clothing. Those laws exist to this day. The USA has never acknowledged it's atrocities against it's Black citizens appropriately let alone try to correct the racism that is built into this nation's very foundation. I find it interesting at the very least that we've never thought it was possible for Black Americans to have the same PTSD considering in 2022 it's STILL not safe in the USA for Black Folks. We are traumatizing Black People on the daily in this country. Give Whoopi a break. She spoke from the perspective of her lived experiences. Let's not forget Guiliana Rancic said she felt Zendaya smelled like patchouli and weed because she wore dredds to the Oscars. Her CoAnchors had to literally quit before the situation was addressed. It's really cavalier to accuse someone of Anti-Semitism for bringing context to a discussion on a show that's a bunch of women debating their *opinions.*

[@katherinefink7108]

I appreciate her explaining her thought process behind what she said, but rather than saying she wasn't going to bring it up again, I wish she had said that this whole situation illustrates why there needs to be more education and conversation happening in the first place.

[@resikchanel843]

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[@wojteks4712]

And it would be useful if she educated herself - and explain why she was wrong, by putting narrow American glasses on racism, which is not always based on colour of the skin. Bit German were racist, they despised whole group, not particular people, and by excluding them from humanity still claim to be good - bu only toward their "equals". So she fundamentally doesn't get it, it's not always about looks

[@VvsDej212]

Who gives a fuck

[@CharlieBrown723]

Whoopi is astute as her body is prepared for a sprint.

[@kbanghart]

@@wojteks4712 she's not wrong. The perspective of the black experience in America is not the same as what the Nazis did.

[@micksedunary7304]

One other quick point - if she was wrong, why by the same application of logic is FOX News still on the air?

[@100american5]

I am extremely offended.

[@TheSpottedArtist]

Plenty of light-skinned Black people in America could’ve “passed” as long as they were willing to abandon their families, their culture, their dialect, and so on. Race is a social construct that defines a group of people based on their common ancestry and ethnic ties, not just their skin tone.

[@triggered8556]

If race is a social construct then trans-racialism is a real thing.

[@zvipatent]

Well said (except for the "social construct" part).

[@rool5712]

💯

[@Reichieru1]

@@zvipatent Depends on what you mean by race. The idea that skin colour can tell you anything about a person other than some medical facts such as how efficient the person's skin is at making vitamin D, that is a social contruct.

[@zvipatent]

@@Reichieru1 Reasonalable point,. and the vit D thing is topical re COVID. Race, per Hitler, was different than what Whoopie thinks. Jews were/are culturally, genetically and religiously different. BTW, I think Blacks deserve some preferential COVID treatment due to the vit D issue (not for racial reasons, but for simple medical reasons).

[@apollocobain8363]

Caryn Johnson's problem isn't that she doesn't know lots of things -- it is that she does not know that she does not know very much. This is very common with celebrities because they live in a bubble where everyone treats them as smart even when they aren't.

[@MothGirl007]

The thing that I don't understand is why did she choose a Jewish last name for herself without educating herself more on their history? It's baffling to me.

[@ct5625]

That's a garbage opinion, but it perfectly represents the problem with KZbin commenters, they always seem to know the answers to everything and know a person's entire character from the last thing they said or did that made the commenter mad.

[@kenkeller6072]

@@ct5625 May be a valid point, I guess; but we're talking about Whoopsie Goldstein, here. What your comment sounds like is somebody who wants to defend goldbman; but can't actually engage in the argumentation by the people who are angry with her...muting you

[@apollocobain8363]

@@ct5625 Re-naming herself Whoopi Goldberg is far from "the last thing they said or did". Colbert tried to help her but she went right on digging that hole. That speaks for itself.

[@linden5165]

Is the wikipedia entry about her changing her surname accurate? Because if so it's very 👀 Maybe her mother or family gave her wrong information about her heritage, it happens. But surely at some point she realised it was incorrect information. Has she spoken about it and corrected the record? From wikipedia... "Goldberg is my name-it's part of my family, part of my heritage, just like being black", and "I just know I am Jewish. I practice nothing. I don't go to temple, but I do remember the holidays." One account recalls that her mother, Emma Johnson, thought the family's original surname was "not Jewish enough" for her daughter to become a star. Researcher Henry Louis Gates Jr. found that all of Goldberg's traceable ancestors were African Americans, that she had no known German or Jewish ancestry, and that none of her ancestors were named Goldberg.

[@willievanderlaan7441]

wish I could see the amount of dislikes there is

[@Ivan_xx]

If the holocaust wasn’t about race, than slavery wasn’t about race in America

[@blueguise23]

Amazing how people are now trying to redefine history according to their "feelings".

[@miguelalaniz8303]

no one missioners rood your comment you cristal clear said the Holocaust was not about race so you're obviously an ingnorant person you need to accept your ingnorace .... what's your academic back ground???

[@knifeworld3048]

You better think before writing such noncense

[@seregill13]

@@miguelalaniz8303 are you okay?

[@sandwichbreath0]

@@miguelalaniz8303 Go read the first line of Hitler's book then come tell us again it wasn't about race. Better yet, go explore the 20-years' worth of Nazi literature and 'studies' on race. They were obsessed with it. Hitler explicitly stated that converting Jews to Christianity was useless because the 'fault' was 'in their blood', that their 'entire race' was genetically incapable of honesty and lawfulness. The crap you've learned in CRT, that all white races 'ally' together, is a simple-minded fantasy. The Nazis went deeper: they went to your genetics, ancestry, physical 'ethnic markers' like nose, brow, etc. No Jew, Slavic, Polish or Romany gypsy enjoyed 'white privilege' in Nazi Germany, and you're a fool to claim otherwise. Go get an education in history instead of challenging other people's academic credentials -- yours is seriously lacking.

[@kommisar.]

She's just following the CRT playbook.

[@laurakairowsell9515]

I remember watching The View some time ago, and she said something along the lines of "you can't be both black and racist", which made me so angry.

[@spoolafool]

It’s true.

[@Mermaid404]

@@spoolafool Nope it not True ! Caucasians ARE a race and if you hate them you are Racist. The Spreme Court defines them as a race. As a matter of Fact as of 2018. The Jews are now a PROTECTED RACE and the Spreme Court ruled through a Judge in Louisiana Declaring them a Race and protected by racial laws!

[@arjanroelofs470]

@@spoolafool are you agreeing with Whoopi Goldberg or the commentator?

[@spoolafool]

@@arjanroelofs470 I agree with what Whoopi said.

[@theonewhowokeup9987]

@@spoolafool she's damn right these bots don't get it. It's deeper than people think, waaay deeper.

[@MaartenAmerica]

The French Wars of Religion were a series of civil wars between French Catholics and Protestants (called Huguenots) from 1562 to 1598. Between two and four million people died from violence, famine or disease directly caused by the conflict, and it severely damaged the power of the French monarchy.

[@candacecasey5634]

Nazis were obsessed with the notion of Eugenics it was racially motivated but beyond that it was about " cleansing Germany" from the " weak and beggarly elements" want to understand Hitlers ideology? Read Nietzche . That should give you a point of reference.

[@davidthomas-ot4cl]

So this is basically a non apology. She thinks she's right and everyone else is wrong. She acknowledges people are angry but this is all she does. She doesn't apologize and admit she is totally wrong.

[@robertmahler8894]

Whoopi is a very race-centric individual! Everything she says, she brings race into it.

[@williampresley4945]

I guess everyone apologizes in their own way. Whoopi sees racism as a skin color issue. Unfortunately for her, the rest of the world doesn't see racism as simply as she does. She doesn't comprehend that someone can discriminate and kill based on a persons religious beliefs, where a person lives, even what a person eats for breakfast. She just proves just because someone is famous doesn't mean they are intelligent.

[@berly9397]

@@williampresley4945 Actually it was a 'skin issue'. Typically the Arian Germans look different to Jews. How does she not know this? Also, they did not kill Jews based on their beliefs, more based on their genetics and if they come from a Jewish family. My relatives converted to Christianity (they did not believe in Judaism) but they were still killed. I think she is trying to say that the Nazis were extremely evil, because they would research your background and then target you, where as American racist simply go after you, based on your skin color. (which is less evil, according to her)

[@andyatwal2197]

You guys are people of color? If not then you don't understand her or my issue with this!

[@andyatwal2197]

@@berly9397 ALL WRONG!

[@stevetheveteran]

It's amazing how much "I'm a victim" she can cram into every sentence.

[@sandypro3812]

No peep from hollywood elites calling for her cancellation for misinformation. I guess its not misinformation if it comes from a black privilege multi millionaire a direct benefactor of this oppressive systemic racist America.

[@kozmo7]

@@sandypro3812 I’m on the left and trust me we want her out

[@buzman1985]

@@kozmo7 You don’t speak for all leftists, bruh.

[@kozmo7]

@@buzman1985 Thanks bruh

[@jamesb8193]

Don't go there Bruh...

[@yeppo222]

This could have been a good teaching moment for ABC to educate the public and help define ‘race’- that it is not just about the color of our skin but deeper and more complex than that.

[@johnpaul5055]

She just didn’t know better. Even on this show she didn’t get it yet. Education is key and power.

[@arazm87]

She said: “This was my thought process and I will try hard not to think that way”. Instead of saying I wasn’t aware of that and now I’m informed and I made a mistake… “I will try hard not to think that way”???? If you aren’t informed about something and now you are… you don’t need to try hard to think in any way you just are presented with facts and you need to accept it. It’s like You don’t know if you jump off the bridge you’ll die and we make you aware and you say I will try hard not to think that if I jump I’ll survive.

[@hadasshakti]

Exactly!

[@CamMcGinn1981]

Probably more that she'll have to try hard to remember. Being a fact doesn't make it instantly sink in. It may take a few slips of the tongue for the information to take hold. Long division is a fact and I've never been able to remember it. Of course, no-one really has the potential of being harmed from my lack of that knowledge...

[@gatsbylight4766]

And so the dance continues I see. *_She_* caused a problem because _she_ didn't understand. Now *_you_* continue with a different problem because _you_ don't understand. I'm not defending Whoopi, but when she says _"I'll try hard not to think that way,"_ it appears that you don't fully understand where her statement is coming from. She is a black woman who has experienced racism first hand in mid-20th century America. Her *experience* with racism is what informs her reality, and that is how she *thinks* of racism. Just because you present someone (her) with a fact, does not change the way that their (her) brain has been literally wired to view an issue. Just because someone might _'present you with a _*_fact_*_ about algebra'_ doesn't mean that VOILA your brain now *understands* algebra. You _will_ have to 'try hard to think a certain way' about algebra... until the day that your brain is finally able to understand it - if that day ever comes.

[@sross54]

She never apologized.

[@thomast6589]

She only has a lot of hate towards white people, nothing else..

[@justwatchingffs371]

Yes whoopi, it wasn't against blacks so it wasn't racism. Got it. I would argue that victim blaming, and diminishing the extreme suffering of the Jewish people by saying you guys did it to yourselves is racist.

[@beattykristopher]

Look I am not defending what she said, but that is not what she was saying. Also it is being left out of the conversation that the Nazis wanted to exterminate more than just the Jews.

[@user-fb8yb8so8n]

@@beattykristopher No, that IS what she's saying. Maybe if over 6 million people weren't systematically massacred you'd have a better idea of what was lost and why this is so offensive. It's racist to even put forth this pedantic and meaningless redefinition in retrospect of the holocaust. It was a racist massacre done for racist reasons, in goal of achieving a master race. She needs to stop trying to redefine history and shut up for once. The only reason to even bring this up would be to minimize the suffering and oppression of the dead. It's shameful and ignorant.

[@michaelkolometz4369]

Whoopi said people misunderstood her, she is the one with misunderstanding, she also feels entitled

[@michaelhuggins8513]

I only wish people would show the same anger when racism is against black people

[@suedavis1613]

WELL SAID. Where is the #policestopkillingblackpeople.

[@squirrelcovers6340]

"Mans inhumanity to man" was spot on, though.

[@mbirk2011]

Exactly!!! She’s not wrong technically.. it’s really all about humans being shitty to other humans which I think was her overall point. If humans treated one another with love.. there wouldn’t have been slavery, segregation or the holocaust

[@janetsheehan1803]

It’s an old saying I’ve heard many many times in my 60 years. Is it Shakespeare?

[@janetsheehan1803]

It’s actually Robert Burns

[@LordIstar]

@UCZS8Nkk0DijdG6Y22bejqZA literally no one was talking about elevating anyone’s victimhood about anyone else. It’s this idea that to recognize the racial struggles of others somehow diminishes the struggles of others. It doesn’t. The evil that causes it is one and the same, and recognizing it is the most important step to combating it, the biggest reason why this needs to be taught in schools. If you can’t see the inherent antisemitism of your statement, I hope you can do some soul searching and realize how harmful it can be.

[@javierlara6350]

Sociopaths are by definition inhumane. Nothing really profound there. Their lack of empathy just makes them cruel and engage in abhorrent behavior and it isn't exclusive to human beings either.

[@NAE615]

“I did a lot of harm to myself” Jesus. Completely embarrassed for her

[@annekupillasfineart]

Yep, no real apology there

[@jordanbrown1309]

@Enrique Morales ok bot

[@cathyheckman7415]

@Enrique Morales Thank you for so much for eloquently saying what i also thought about this issue! The one thing i want to add is when as a country, will we stand up and take responsibility for what we did to the Indigenous People of this country? Our ancestors gave Hitler his ideas of how to handle the Jewish people. People also say it that was hundreds of years ago in the past. NO it was NOT. This is still going on today in this country. When will anyone ever talk about that?

[@annekupillasfineart]

@Enrique Morales nope you’re wrong. It had nothing to do with religion. If it did, you’d be referring to the Holocaust as a religious war not as a systemic extermination of an entire group of people and the term Aryan race wouldn’t have been used either.

[@Bacontruffle]

Not "I hurt a lot of people", no, she seems mainly pained that she made herself look bad... this is worse than a non-apology, it's more akin to a slap in the face

[@tphillips37]

We are all the same race. We're different skin shades, but we're all the same race. Different religions don't mean different races, either. We're all humans.

[@trojankev]

I think what she meant to say ( should have said) is that the issue of "racist discrimination" ,as expressed in Nazi Germany, is a very different story than the American experience of racist animus over the past centuries of American history. She just should have thought about it more!

[@Suiram82]

It was definitely about race. If you knew the context of the early 20th century you would know how big an issue racial theory was in all of society. And it was not just about jews. Nazis thought themselves superior to other white "races" (there is only one human race) like for example Slavs and the Roma people whom also where killed by the thousands. Sure, it was also about cruelty of humanity, but there were definitely people who were killed just for being for whom they were so Whoopi's point is not valid in this case

[@zvipatent]

Great comment !

[@kitcoffey7194]

This. Pretty sure that the Nazis did not consider Jews or homosexuals or political enemies or disabled people as "white" or worthy of not being exterminated, which was literally the goal of their systematic actions and concentration camps.

[@bluebellegreen2804]

It was the Nazis that deemed Jewish people a separate race. Race is a construct anyway, this entire, "scandal" is intellectually, historically, and factually disingenuous.

[@ljnoonenos]

Other white races? Do you hear yourself?

[@christinahall8823]

Exactly!

[@geraldmaloney9230]

'You people all look alike to me!' - Whoopi Goldberg and a Happy Black History Month to you, Whoopi.

[@andrewwilliams6505]

Some. Including Karen here believe they can't be racist because they are Black. They can be and sometimes are.

[@curtiszilla9192]

Lmao

[@EdwardCheek]

That is awesome and spot on

[@DigDeep55]

💀😂👏👏👏

[@jaysofly1225]

More than just Jewish people were murdered in nazi concentration camps and many Jewish people consider themselves white by racial definition both then and now. In addition, you can be Jewish but many different races so technically she isn’t completely wrong here (technicality.) Here is where her thinking is insensitive and very wrong: The nazis just like all other bigots looked for a social construct to define/box the Jewish people into segments that they could distinctively oppress and they decided to use race when they truly meant ancestry. So to the nazis, it was about the “race “of the Jewish people from my understanding the Jews considered it to be about faith, legacy, and ancestry. So yes it was about race but only because that’s how the nazis quantified it. Race is what we see (distinctive physical characteristics) which to her point is accurate the KKK might pass her friend by in pursuit of her based on race.

[@drdreel5559]

I get entirely what she's saying. I think the issue is that she frames "racism" entirely in ultra-American terms. So, to her, "race" means skin colour. So, *in her own vocabulary* she was not saying anything offensive and quite the opposite. But, unfortunately, that is not a vocabulary that most people (certainly outside America) would ever use in matters of race, and particular not with the Holocaust, when Jews were portrayed not only as a different race that offended against Nazi ideals of "racial purity", but almost as a separate species. So I do not think what she was saying was ill-intentioned at all. She was trying to say that it was an issue that transcended "mere" racism. But her frames of reference were so off that she ended up implying a very different message, and she perhaps would do well to learn that her understanding of "race" is very, very, very different from that of many around the world so that she does not express herself like this again.

[@ucsbsurfer]

When cancel culture gets canceled, sweet irony.

[@matu4251]

She was doing ok until the last question and basically confirmed she didn’t care to understand, she’ll just keep to herself on that topic.

[@moldfather3633]

And? People dont really care about opinions till they hear them. Cant get mad over imaginary thoughts

[@dreamervanroom]

matu4251 May I explain how I see her last response differently. VIZ: I think she confirmed she could not change minds and allowed others to have their own opinion and doesn't want to fight. Jews come in all races. Long term Jewish families can be traced by the maternal gene and it is found in Black Jews as well as white Jews. (Check out the old stories of the Queen of Sheba.) Understanding doesn't mean changing your mind, y'know.

[@avimiller1263]

Yup. Colbert offered her the chance to say she knows it was about race, and instead she just doubled down. Unbelievable.

[@matu4251]

@@dreamervanroomI don't think we disagree, what you wrote is how I took her last sentence (I was typing on my phone so the concise version might have lacked nuance). But it's quite telling that she would argue that Nazis might have said it was race based but because Nazis were liars then it wasn't really about race... Her view on race is completely tainted by a modern "intersectional/antiracist" view of racism, purely based on skin color and that can only be really understood by black people. But the concept of race has had different meanings across time and geography. Jews have undeniably been persecuted for centuries prior to the Holocaust (i.e Pogroms). And as you pointed out, they also come in different shades. Anyway, this interview didn't help her case, she would have been better off leaving it at her initial written apology.

[@MrBanks434]

So the fuck what!

[@ckbama17]

So… apologize for being wrong. You basically double downed and expressed your thoughts. You can do it, say you were wrong😳

[@user-fb8yb8so8n]

@@scaf5363 NO, she DIDN'T. Maybe if over 6 million people weren't systematically massacred you'd have a better idea of what was lost and why this is so offensive. It's racist to even put forth this pedantic and meaningless redefinition in retrospect of the holocaust. It was a racist massacre done for racist reasons, in goal of achieving a master race. She needs to stop trying to redefine history, ACTUALLY apologize, and then shut up for once in her pampered life.

[@ForeverMe543]

She won't. Cause she doesn't believe she is. Cause she is an anti Semite.

[@Karajorma]

@@ForeverMe543 Of course she isn't. She never defended the holocaust. She never said it wasn't evil. I might feel she's wrong about her definitions of things, especially her Americanised view that racism must involve skin colour but that doesn't mean that it's okay to strawman her views. Otherwise I can just say "You don't like her cause she's black" and that would have equal validity.

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

@@ForeverMe543 I agree, she won't. But I think it's because of her bigotry towards people with a lighter skintone. Her argument boils down to "y'all look alike".

[@rimarico]

I totally understand were she coming from is to deep for you to understand .

[@sb790856]

Whoopi “ i feel”. Goldberg

[@kalijaheyolya-ralph9944]

As an individual of Jewish ancestry I find that we should always be alert and on guard for threats which do exist and are present everyday, but the view is not an international and Whoopi Goldberg is a child of this country and in this country in which she was speaking on the show and when she was speaking she spoke as she sees it and as the system here had made it. I also caution the same way that people Rush to jump on controversy for the sake of controversy she did not say anything that would denigrate or insult me or others like me as someone of my ancestry. She is very correct that most Jews are visibly especially seeing as white there are black Jews well many of them and she is very much pointing out that she can't just hide her color that is something that is unalterable as is our ancestry but our ancestry does not lie in our skin color and the trauma that is specific to the African-Americans in the United States was that they were guilty because of the skin color which they could do nothing to hide they couldn't lie and say that they were oam white and be believed because they were the same color, I could convert to Christianity and in most cases begrudgingly they would accept and I would look in general cases just the same as the others of the dominant Society African Americans have their entire time and experience on this continent not had that ability they could not run from themselves and that is not something that I dare ever try to take as a personal issue with an African-American because that is something I could never relate to because I have never had to know that existence which they do everyday from just traveling to school or going to save lives they face and constant threat due to nothing other than they're simply the skin color that is something that only they specifically here no engine speak on in this situation now I would caution people to discuss it but don't attack this woman for something that we in her own home country and on National Television and tell her that she doesn't know what she's talking about it is a situation where delicacy is necessary but she ultimately has a personal undeniable and unassailable argument and should not be attacked for the sake of drama in selling covers of stuff in this country on which the airwaves that her show is and she was that is the reality first and foremost is that she is the one who has to fear being gunned down for no other reason than her skin color and the proof is so thick in the pudding it's not pudding it is blood blood-soaked flash of people who were used as though they were not human and nothing has been done to address it or to help them to heal from it we worry so much about the white reaction to it how old the majority how will they vote they are not the victims we first and foremost must heal the wounds inflicted and that in this case is not up to a majority vote situation this has got to stop especially if you believe in any type of higher power this is evil you have got to start making healing you attacked this woman for only expressing what she has seen with her very eyes and If you deny it as white individual you shame yourself and I say that as a white Jewish man and we as a nation have got to stop the he'll never ended assault on our entegral Brethren the African-American we need to start healing, this woman spoke no offense to me either nothing or say that was wrong I do understand that I don't see it that way but I understand as well as both we are Americans this is undeniable for her I have never lived in this reality and therefore I stand by every single word she said! I stand with Whoopi Goldberg! I love you will be and I apologize for this hostility you have faced, you have my love and my support!

[@irvyne6111]

It’s fascinating to see how someone growing up in such a racially segregated community as the U.S. simply can’t understand that there is more racism in the world than just the kind based on skin colour.

[@twiztedsynz]

@@Camila28 How is telling the truth that "you couldn't tell who was Jewish" ignorant? Unless you are saying that Jews "look a certain way" which really do you want to go there?

[@chriszenko6355]

She probably doesn’t know the English word for slave comes from the word Slavic who where slaves until the 1830s.

[@tyrellanderson4722]

@Camila Restrepo. How is that ignorant?? They couldn't tell!!! Nazism is no longer the mystery you wish it was to make yourself seem more knowledgeable.

[@tyrellanderson4722]

How is it not true for Nazi Germany? What...???

[@twiztedsynz]

@@Camila28 The fact that there were still "Jewish tied" German hierarchy changes the whole issue, IMO. Whoopi was right too when she said that in order to 'show' Jewish people, the Germans had to research/work for it, then hand out stars and put out laws that the stars had to be worn by Jews in order for them to be outwardly noticed. In the end, discussions about the Holocaust can't honestly happen because to do that would label people who might have different opinions/insights as anti-Semitic or what have you, when the person isn't, as this perfectly proves.

[@lmno567]

This felt more like an "I'm sorry you feel that way" kind of apology rather than an "I'm sorry" apology.

[@christopher399]

It did... But I also don't think she meant any harm. She just sees racism as something to do with skin colour, and I think a lot of people do. Myself included. I mean, are Jewish people white? Yes, some are. (Some are also black, and any other skin colour.) So if you see race as something to do with skin colour, her view makes perfect sense. I don't know why we should attack her for that. She agrees Holocaust happened and that it was an awful thing, and she doesn't have anything against Jewish people. She just sees race as something to do with skin colour.

[@dionnepalmer9716]

Agreed.

[@charliekowittmusic]

@@christopher399 Race has never been skin color. That’s not what “White” means. Whoopi can’t have an “opinion” on a historical claim. The claim is either right or wrong. In this case, wrong and harmful.

[@christopher399]

@@charliekowittmusic Well, race is all a social construct. Biologically speaking, we aren't different races because we are too similar. Ok, so she said something you disagree with... So the answer is to attack her and harass her? Is the answer to fire her? Paint her as someone who denies Holocaust and who hates Jews?

[@charliekowittmusic]

@@christopher399 Yes to race being a social construct. 100%. 1. Depends on your definitions of “attack” and “harass”. Should she be marched through the streets while a handbell guy goes “Shame!” And rotten fruits are thrown?? No. Am I going to shed a tear when she gets angry social media comments? Nah. People should be free to speak their minds. 2. Here’s what people, mostly on the Right, don’t get about being “cancelled”. If she gets fired, it is the network’s decision because they want to protect the profitability of their show. Now unless you want an authoritarian state that forces businesses to hire Whoopi Goldberg, or an authoritarian state that forces people to watch her, the network is gonna respond to the current reality. There isn’t some invisible judge going “Your crime was a sloppy comment about the Holocaust, and thusly you are fired”. That’s not real. There are only consumers on tv and social media, and profit-driven companies. Whoopi’s job is being a relatable person that brings in viewers. The moment she fails at this, or thinks she is paid to be a philosopher, she is letting her titanic ego cost her the easiest gig on Earth.

[@katiepark6741]

Whoopi might have thought race is based on skin color and Jewishness is based on religion.

[@gordonjames1821]

Her ignorance is astounding!