How Would The Old Heavyweights Compete Today?

[@B.Wayne88]

You forgot the amount of rounds that old fighters fought, their stamina and conditioning compared to todays fighters.

[@churchofsatan2041]

45 rounds

[@jmgonzales7701]

to be fair they didnt go waste their stamina early on

[@B.Wayne88]

@@jmgonzales7701 True. But the further you back like Langford, Johnson and Dempsey era the rounds were even longer like 20+ and sometimes they fought under the hot sun or in a building with no air conditioning. Something fighters today couldn't even fathom.

[@HolDNutz]

Your take of george foreman as a better deontay wilder is WILDLY offbase. Foreman had an amazing crossblock defense, understood angles better than people think and was one of the better in-fighters at his height

[@timhall5382]

WIlDLY!!!

[@1travstone]

Foreman would destroy today’s heavyweights. Usyk would give him trouble but George probably knocks him down a few times and gets the decision or stoppage.

[@MagdalenaJuanPedro]

Just like a modern Frazier vs Foreman

[@BiggieBigLnPac]

@@1travstone George relied on size and strength to bully his smaller weaker opponents, Outweighed every man he ever fought, Wouldn't be able to bully todays guys who would be 50lbs heavier than him, considerably taller and armed with longer reaches. His career defining victory was/is against a 203lb frazier who would be a small CRUISERweight if he was around today. U think George would have the same success against a 6ft6 295lb Zhang or a 6ft5 300lb Bakole, or what about Joshua, Fury etc.. Realistically, no.

[@MrManWithPlan]

Foreman ain’t even comparable to wilder. Foreman’s so much better on every level

[@verborgener9785]

Agree with everything except what you said about Iron Mike Tyson. The Peek a boo Boxing style is made for small boxers to take down taller boxers. This technique uses the height as advantage. The only problem is that this style costs a lot of energy and indurance, therefore you will definitly get smashed if you don't train und stay clean. Thats what happend to Tyson. First he trained like a monster but then he partied, used drugs and got betrayed by the people around him. Thats the only reason why he lost against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis. Remember the most important lesson of Cus d'amato was : ''If the talent doesn't train, then the trained will beat the talent''. 20 year old Iron Mike Tyson would definitly beat Ali, Fury, Usyk, Joshua , both Klitschkos and so on. The greatest fighter of all time.

[@end1ngme]

i agree but even with mike leaping slightly could his reach hit a leaned back tyson is the main question i don’t see mike getting Ko’d by most of em if any of them i see him loosing by a decision if he fought the top guys of td

[@alod247]

Size the only thing modern HWs have but Usyk and others showed skills overcome that. Athleticism, skill, IQ and toughness WAY down

[@caesarforlife1663]

Holyfield would finish most of em. Usyk would be a challenge for many of the ol skool fighters.

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

Nah Usyk would be an Earnie Shavers victim and he was not a good boxer by golden age standards

[@god-of-logic99]

@@Maegorthecrueltargaryen lol you haven't watched any of the old fights have you?!

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

@@god-of-logic99 who Earnie or Usyk

[@god-of-logic99]

@@Maegorthecrueltargaryen Earnie lol, he was nothing more than a contender.

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

@@god-of-logic99 he has a better resum than Usyk knocked out Ken Norton knocked down Larry Holmes twice and he has a way better chin than Usyk in a fight between these two Earnie would knock him out in the mid to late rounds

[@Zellis666]

Lennox would savage all of them.

[@GrubKiller436]

Well hopefully he doesn't get caught with one really good punch

[@sizzlingdefeat3626]

i agree, he is the greatest HW ever for me. he's got too much in his bag

[@TechnoLawyer]

@@GrubKiller436Old school refs would never have stopped him the two times he was stopped. He might have came back from both of those KDs to win had he been given the chance. You don’t even have to go back far to see how much more permissive refs used to be. Look at how bad off Larry Holmes was after being knocked down by Shavers in their second fight. A modern ref would have absolutely waived it off, but back then, he was given the chance to keep going, and hey, he survived the round, recovered, stopped Shavers.

[@TechnoLawyer]

@@sizzlingdefeat3626They did have guys his size back then (see Primo Carnera or Buddy Baer) but they didn’t guys his size who were actually good.

[@rksh5985]

Tbh, i think lenox is the only guy that have a good chance against all the greats in all times!

[@samuelhague7446]

Missing Riddick Bowe. He would have absolutely mauled this heavyweight division. In the 90's and early 2000's Heavyweights weren't a whole lot shorter, especially when Tyson lies about his height

[@ivanjefferson6344]

Old fighters discipline was something else, i can't even get on the treadmill without my earphone

[@originaldamo]

To compare George Foreman with deontay wilder is madness - two different fighters they don’t even have the same style 😂

[@kmonodal]

mike tyson on his 20 " nobody can touch him "

[@AllAmericanWoman1390]

lmao, classic

[@ferbadcompany1499]

thats exactly what i tought, he would massacre everyone. People seem to only remember the disaster he was after his divorce and drug problems, but the D´Amato Mike was not human

[@user-wi9se5ll3j]

Cassius Clay?

[@AydenVincent]

@@user-wi9se5ll3jtbh I love Ali but he got hurt by Frazier and trust me if frizer had ali hurt Tyson would take ali out that ring

[@user-wi9se5ll3j]

@@AydenVincent But Tyson had an easy time with his opponents who didn’t really move but run away. Frazier had to straight up jump (taking inspiration from Rocky Marciano) to catch Clay, Tyson never did that but moved side to side to capture.

[@dwreck9969]

Bro most these fighters today don't even know what 15 rounds of gritty boxing is tbh that's why old age boxers will always be better there will never be another gorge forman will be another Mike Tyson etc those guys are one in a million

[@monkeybara]

Old fighter back then are much technically worse than an average figther today

[@Kungfufighter-w3e]

@@monkeybaramost of them

[@IvanCuklin]

You don't know what you are talking about pal

[@RenoiMonstrueux]

@@monkeybaraExactly they want to understand that boxing evolves

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@monkeybara yeah tbh what old fighter back then had is grit, toughness and i would even say strength and endurance but newer fighters are more skillfully and faster.

[@chefxhyrule242]

I feel like usyk proves smaller more skilled boxers would beat modern boxers

[@chadchad3507]

sonny liston is definetally a contender if marciano is considered decent for today

[@meisme20]

Seeing someone rep Liston in these comments makes me happy. Wearing a Liston shirt rn haha

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

Im going to put it simply Earnie Shavers who was not considered a great boxer by golden age standards would look like Joe Louis compared to the fighters today.

[@god-of-logic99]

@@Maegorthecrueltargaryen dude have you seriously watched any of his fights?!

[@Ihavenoidea12342]

I mean he beats basically everyone but usyk would beat him but shavers would give him a run for his money

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

@@Ihavenoidea12342 nah he hasnt shown the ability of taking a punch from someone like Shavers and Tyson Fury and AJ are not good examples they dont hit that hard and Earnie managed to go eleven rounds with prime Larry Holmes and knock him down twice and he had a much better chin than Usyk.

[@god-of-logic99]

@@Maegorthecrueltargaryen Joshua is the hardest hitting mf next to Wilder in this era who some consider the hardest hitter of all time, he has plenty of power. Usyk took everything AJ and Fury had to offer. Also without Maegor house Targaryen would have gone extinct.

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

@@god-of-logic99 Wilder dosen't hit that hard his ko ratio is against a bunch of tomatocans an old man and a guy coming of four years of drug abuse.

[@pratoshroka537]

Tyson's entire style and guard was specifically handmade for him by Cus to fight the taller fighters by pushing in and working the body before demolishing their chin or temple. He had some really good weaving and could slip jabs quickly so the height difference does serve a problem but then again tyson also has a good chin either way he would still stand at the top of the boxing world. Marciano however nowadays he is small in height and physique both for the heavyweight division just his body in general he was a great fighter but in this day and age super middleweight - lightheavyweight is where he would dominate

[@pizzahut9615]

i think joe frazier would have a blast with these new fighters with him probably struggling against usyk

[@BiggieBigLnPac]

Frazier wouldn't crack the top 50 today as he was 203lbs and would be giving up way too much size. Foreman didn't beat Frazier with skill and finesse, yes he used a good jab and solid frame work, But Frazier came unstuck simply because Foreman was way too big and powerful for him, Foreman was only 220lbs at 6ft4, Imagine a 6ft6 280lb power puncher today fighting Fraizer.

[@B.Wayne88]

How did you forget Joe Louis in terms of skill? Bro laid the foundation for a lot of fighters including SRR.

[@Steve-tp6fb]

Louis gets forgotten far too often. The young Louis would have been a Cruiserweight today. Heaven help today's Cruisers if Louis was in the opposite corner.

[@GrubKiller436]

Joe Louis would get ragdolled by every single era after himself. Put the nostalgia goggles down.

[@B.Wayne88]

@@GrubKiller436 That has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. You sound like a moron.

[@hakeeemquaviantavius]

@@GrubKiller436 elaborate pls

[@nativewildman9335]

Larry Holmes would dominate he had the best jab in the heavy weight division and the skill to back it.

[@TheHide.1318]

Ngl your actually right, jab is the most important tool to use in boxing

[@aac7183]

Larry Holmes in his prime is difficult to overlook

[@DarkKing009]

Mike Tyson often explained in interviews that the different sizes between today's boxers will be a problem for him. The boxer is just physically larger. But I believe his superior boxing skill and intelligence would carry the fight Mike Tyson's height is 5'10 weight Between 215 and 220 pounds.

[@asiatic1979]

I think Riddick Bowe is one of those guys that would fit in with today’s generation of heavyweights . If he fought today, he would be dominant.

[@therealc.t.7085]

Bowe would clean out the modern division.

[@josenieves62]

The old school were leaner and meaner they were way more brutal and threw way more punches and landed more overall just seem like ppl can handle more physically and mentally back in the day also ppl don’t realize how slick and crafty they were as well I take a guy like jersey joe and wipe out today division with his speed power and the way he set traps he would have a field day today time

[@tjacted1]

They're also bigger because they don't go 15 rounds anymore

[@TechnoLawyer]

The experience gap would just be so large, especially at heavyweight. Usyk is truly great, but he’s what 38 and has all of 22 fights? Muhammad Ali already had 26 fights at age 24, on the night where he looked like the god of war as he demolished Cleveland Williams. And skill. Jeez. Canelo is great and all, but put him in against Ray Robinson? Yikes. Maybe Floyd Mayweather Jr at his peak (I’d say the Corrales fight was his peak) might be able to compete with the best of the old school guys. Maybe.

[@Highonlife24]

Yes but that’s because Usyk spent most of his time in the Olympics/amateurs with a mind numbing record of 335 to 15 losses. Usyk in my opinion is the only in the heavyweight division today that would be able to compete well against the heavyweights in the past and would have the best chance of beating a prime Ali alongside Lennox Lewis and nobody else. Yes Usyk due to spending his time in the amateurs has a smaller professional record but with that small time frame he became undisputed champion in the cruiserweight division beating the all time best cruiserweights in the world all of which would do very well against the cruiserweights in the past, and in the heavyweight division in a relatively short amount of time. Usyk is no joke and I think he would be great in any era.

[@jmgonzales7701]

it doesnt really matter how much fights but the quality. olympians tend to be very old because they stay a long time in the olympics

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

U realize eastern euro people like to be at amateurs longer to win medals 🏅, but they’re still very good fighters. Loma, didn’t start his career till a few years ago, but he had four hundred amateur fights

[@AngelesMorenoDamian]

Canelo could beat Robinson

[@ninolama]

Size means nothing. Ask Primo Carnera. Guys like Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Tony Tucker, Tim Witherspoon, and Frank Bruno would be kings today, and they are hardly all-time greats. Today's Heavyweights suck and have zero boxing skills, except maybe 2 or 3. Prime Tyson, Lewis, and Holyfield clean house today.

[@Highonlife24]

Exactly.

[@jmgonzales7701]

tbh what old fighter back then had is grit, toughness and i would even say strength and endurance but newer fighters are more skillfully and faster.

[@Highonlife24]

@@jmgonzales7701 That highly depends on the division. I would say that heavyweights back then were more skilled than heavyweights today.

[@MrToadGaming]

Yeah those old heads beat up other midgets so they’d clearly beat up the far larger and far more skilled heavyweights of today

[@BiggieBigLnPac]

You're clueless mate. Prime Earnie Shavers was knocked out in 39 seconds by 195lb slugger Jerry Qarry, a couple fights later Shavers was schooled by journeyman bob stallings who had 21 wins against 24 losses at the time, Shavers went on to lose multiple fights to other low level journeyman, Yet you somehow think he's gonna clean out Usyk, Fury, Joshua, Zhang, Wilder, Bakole, Ruiz, Parker etc.. guys who are much bigger, stronger and better than the journeyman who easily beat him in the 70's and 80's?? This is what happens when your boxing knowledge is based off watching boxing legendsTV. This is one of the strongest eras in heavyweight history.

[@Turshin]

Lennox Lewis and Ali would dominate even today.

[@Rye4219]

No not all 60’s Ali would be so small today for the heavyweights today that he could’ve fought at lightl heavyweight today where he would’ve got knocked out by beterbiev and got completely outboxed by Dmitry Bivol

[@ashtonfranklin4620]

I disagree with this because even though the Heavyweight fighters of today have reach and size advantage. It doesn't mean anything because even though guys from the past were a lot smaller, they were quicker and had more endurance because they went 15 rounds, and fought more often times than fighters of today. The Heavyweight fighter of today had great IQ and are good at controlling the distance, but they can't punch down and that's why Usyk was able to use his angles and footwork to beat bigger and stronger opponents, even his fight with Tyson Fury proved that height does not matter if you have the skill to break that down because I've been reading on a guy named Barbados Joe Walcott and he was a 5'1, 140 pound middleweight that beat heavyweights. The Heavyweights were not as big as they are now but it proved that even the smaller guy can over shadow the bigger guy.

[@jmgonzales7701]

tbh what old fighter back then had is grit, toughness and i would even say strength and endurance but newer fighters are more skillfully and faster.

[@mopar_keys]

Bro said fury would beat Iron Mike 😂😂😂 definitely won’t be revisiting

[@Sethglover99]

Cope oldhead

[@JKBeta1021]

I don’t think AJ or Wilder would have been able to deal with Mike Tyson at his peak. Fury is good at exploiting his size and reach so he would pose issues but he has been dropped by relatively shorter fighters, but still much taller than Mike. I think Usyk would find a strategy to get a decision over Tyson tho unless Tyson could knock him out fast

[@tooskooski]

Usyk would defenitely give mike problems especially as a tenacious southpaw

[@imto5]

@@tooskooskiyou have to be fucking joking bruhhh…ok so could usk walk holyfield???

[@julianfalken8861]

I agree Fury and Usyk give Mike Tyson problems. However people still forget Mike Tyson was very skilled and very talented. He was not beaten by Evander Holyfield because of the size disadvantage, he was beaten because Holyfield was the better man that night. Also Mike Tysons Stamina is overly downplayed. He actually had a really good gas tank when he was at the age of 20-23. In the first 6 rounds he was a monster and could land 4-6 punch combos with lightning fast speed and mountain shattering power. In the other half of the fight he would be downgraded down to mostly a 2-4 punch combo fighter however still keeping that speed and power. He could knock you out in any round if you aren't careful and since Usyk is a slow starter he will heavily struggle and get hurt bad by Tyson in the first 3 rounds. Either Usyk gets knocked out, or Tyson wins by a close decision. Usyk will get better and better overtime and will adjust but in the end i think the beginning of the fight Mike will make too much of a lead for Usyk to catch up. In the end as long as Usyk does not get knocked out the fight would be close and extremely entertaining.

[@IvanCuklin]

Tyson got dropped by a bum buster douglas, him destroying tomato cans in a couple of highlites doesn't make him top 10, the 2 times he actually faced proper fighters he lost

[@SouthpawsRule217]

@@IvanCuklin Buster douglas was no bum

[@thesenate5913]

Old heavyweights were insane. These men fought for 15 rounds, with harsher rules and essentially fought for their lives literally. So you have hungry, driven and physically well-maintained fighters.

[@johnclarke1528]

Sonny liston would be charged with attempted murder every fight 🤣🤣🤣😭😭💀that shit he did to patterson was felonious assalt, watchin sonny liston fight is like watching them throw a deer into an enclosure with a 20 foot crocodile

[@BOXXBROSS]

@@johnclarke1528 i applaud your spelling sir

[@johnclarke1528]

@@BOXXBROSS 🙏🏾thank you brother

[@RealGigaMind]

Foreman was highly skilled. He would simply shake the oncoming fighters and then land a walking punch and knock them out.

[@retiredandtired]

Fury said Tyson would beat him in 30 seconds

[@phillykid512]

I think Larry Holmes, Riddick Bowe, and Lennox Lewis would completely dominate this era of boxing

[@Dan1n0ffTheWall]

old school boxers were tough as fuck and had more hearth because they would give all they got in trainings because they had way less equipment than today and they would just never stop punching for 15 rounds

[@Dan1n0ffTheWall]

they also fought much more

[@RedShogun13]

Prime Tyson would rip every modern HW today to absolute shreds. Maybe with the exception of Usyk (I’d still pick Tyson by KO but would be a good fight).

[@funtelezadventuresgames9266]

If floyd mayweather was a heavy wieght and the size and range of one to i think he would be able to compete with muhammed ali and mike tyson

[@donavonhoward114]

Smaller pressure fighters who had great power like Marciano, Tyson, and Frazier didn't allow their lack of reach, and size to be a disadvantage. Sure, if you could keep them on the outside all night long, then you might win, but there are other factors to consider. Those factors are their granite chins, head movement, and how small of a target those guys were. While all of those guys had excellent defense within their styles, they could also take punches, and still not have to take 2 or 3 steps backwards. Also, their shorter arms were a major advantage for them on the inside, and they didn't wait, or try to play the counter puncher role, unless the opportunity presented itself. That constant pressure, and pace led to many of Marciano, and Frazier's opponents becoming exhausted from just trying to keep those guys off of them, while having to constantly move around the ring at the same time. Also, the body punching from any of those guys would destroy the heavyweight's of today. Too many boxers of today headhunt too often, and a lot of them try to spend entire rounds setting up their punches with feints, and traps. It's difficult to be patient when you are constantly getting hit, and pressured in an intelligent way, and you cannot really hurt the guy across from you with your best shots. Also, most of today's fighters prefer to tie up on the inside, and rest, or try to lean on you. Marciano, and Frazier didn't allow that. When they were on the inside, that's when they did a lot of their work, and they rarely gave up their arms for a clinch. There are no pressure fighters that come close to that quality in today's sport. I definately agree with you about Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis. Those guys could dominate in any era against any style of fighter. With Tyson, it depends on which version of him we are talking about. If it's the Cus' version of Mike, he would completely outclass these modern fighters, but if it's Don King Mike Tyson, then he would get beat by the top 2 or 3 fighters probably.

[@senoirbougie8876]

I think one guy you missed is riddick bowe.dude was 6’5 but moved like he was much much smaller but also maintaining heavyweight knockout power

[@blakekennard7700]

The old heavyweights would absolutely dominate today’s heavyweight division

[@jmgonzales7701]

tbh what old fighter back then had is grit, toughness and i would even say strength and endurance but newer fighters are more skillfully and faster.

[@shannonadkinsmusic5767]

I don't believe Foreman to be a "better Wilder". Aside from power, he's a different kind of boxer altogether. He's skilled and doesn't just throw hail Marys. He also had great defense. I disagree with genetics being better today. What is better is nutrition and training methods. We have no idea what actual weight the older boxers would come in at nowadays, but it's safe to say they would all be a bit heavier. That said, would Marciano be able to break 210lbs? Tough to say. He may end up being a cruiserweight. But he'd still be lots of trouble for any heavyweight in any era. There is no way Joshua gives Ali the most trouble. Ali is too fast and will easily outpoint him. Maybe Usyk and Fury give him problems because of their style and skill set. I actually think Tyson would present Ali with all kinds of match up problems. Speaking of Tyson, you can't short change people because of their hight. He used his height to an advantage when fighting taller fighters. He'd wipe the floor with Wilder and Joshua. And I think a young Tyson also beats Fury and Usyk.

[@davidmo3496]

I think heavyweight boxing actually struggles to attract top-tier athletic talent nowadays since basketball etc are much lower risk and higher reward. That's why dudes like AJ and Wilder who are just big and reasonably athletic can start boxing late in their lives and still find success, since there's hardly anybody like Lennox Lewis that has both athleticism and a lifetime of skill.

[@YellowPlagueProductions]

Riddick Bowe and Tommy Morrison if he took it seriously would be competitive in today's division.

[@BossmanRndoggz]

Correct except for Mike imo because Mike Tyson beat several opponents in early round KOs despite the height difference; for instance Mike Tyson KOed 6 foot 6 Eddie Richardson in the 1 round and 6 foot 5 Jose Ribalta in round 10.

[@santiagomaciel6979]

Ike Ibeabuchi is still undefeated and he's the first heavyweight to beat David Tua and holds the fastest stoppage over Chris Byrd. He also beat Muhammad Ali's record of most punches by a heavyweight. He's also making a comeback.

[@theincredibleharry151]

I think you aren’t giving George enough credit he’s not just another version of Deontay Wilder; George probably hit harder, was tougher, had more skill especially when it came to framing and redirecting opponents, and was legit STRONG.

[@Ali_Da_Goat_]

1900-2005 would beat they ass bro, also Ali, beat 6’6 Ernie Tyrell, also Tyson in his prime was 5’11 1/2 he was almost 6 foot, and Tyson would beat they ass fr

[@penguinstrophe]

I would LOVE to see how Ingemar “Ingo” Johansson would have faired (even though he isn’t really a heavyweight) He has natural power. In the lower top 100 punchers of all time with his Hammer Of Thor. He had decent skill but skipped out on training and was sort of like Deontay, as in he relied a bit much on his power. Who knows how insane he would have been if he took his training seriously?

[@mrt1640]

Riddick Bowe would have been great in this era the right amount of skill, height Chin Heart damn only if he didn’t throw away the belt smh. Dwight Mummhad Qawi is a honorable mention as well

[@minoadlawan4583]

AJ and Tyson Fury don't just have size, they also have skill. They'd give every old heavyweights trouble.

[@jmgonzales7701]

not every, alot but not every

[@Breadhead10]

Bro a #15 ranked would be aj if he fought den

[@mopar_keys]

Iron Mike Tyson mauls every active heavyweight in Boxing 🥊🥊

[@bluesz1bluesz17]

a great fighter would be great in any era but I do think most of the past greats would struggle with Usyk in the same way they struggled against Ali. Don't get me wrong unlike Ali, Usyk is not a back foot fighter but even though he stands in front of fighters he's just as hard to hit cleanly. And his volume of accurate punches you don't see coming is frightening

[@alinvid6098]

Marciano would have been a light heavy or a Cruiserweight today

[@MalosiAudios]

Young Manny would cook the lower weights so bad man

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[@Rockybeautifulbird]

Amen brother

[@user-wm2bf4nu9l]

AMEN

[@Galaxyeditssss]

Amen 🙏

[@FakeWorld2]

amen

[@Zellis666]

Satan's coming for you.

[@BasicDefense]

Foreman, Ali, and Holmes would be kings in today's division

[@StatisticOfTheLostGeneration]

Marciano with todays weight cutting would have been a light heavyweight

[@god-of-logic99]

Tyson fury is not 6'9.

[@atribecalled_quest]

then what is he

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

​@@atribecalled_quest 6'7

[@Ihavenoidea12342]

@@Maegorthecrueltargaryenfr

[@kek283]

More like 6'5 3/4 - 6'6" 1/4

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

@@kek283 i heard he was listed at 6'7 in the olympics but recently i have heard that he is around 6'8 so im not shure but i lean towards 6'7

[@BlackPanther-fn7kz]

Guys like Fury and AJ would definitely be taken out pretty easily but Usyk would probably to do the best but older ones still take over

[@isaiahbrown2361]

Marciano's weight/frame is even more of an issue than his height...at least Tyson was 220

[@smallblackman8614]

Respectfully I don’t think rocky marciano would be anything today. Don’t get me wrong he’s one of the greatest of all time and in his time he was unstoppable, but any ranked, technical heavyweight nowadays wouldn’t have much problem with him aside from getting caught with a massive shot and for the top dogs in the heavyweight division I don’t think they’ll have that defensive problem against marciano

[@jmgonzales7701]

he is too short for a heavy weight today

[@axia6372]

nah ,he was a damn bull and a fucking tank with more stamina them most fighters in histroy, he would crush them with body blows and saying too short and too little reach is something you could agure but rocky was still beating guys who where more taller (Jerry Jackson, look him up if you like) and much longer reach then him and he put them on their ass and he started late too, rock would work to the body and would just blow threw them like he did with other fighters in his time, and he was more skilled then he is giving, go look at it to understand it, I think rocky beats them all, the top four today, and yes, usyk, rocky was an amazing fighter and was gifted with power and a strong head, but the rest, he put so much work into trainning and became good as he was, so I think rocky would blow through todays fighters, and them being far above 6'4 even, I dont think it matters as much as people give out, it plays a role but not as much as people give on because it thats the case, mike tyson shouldn't have beat he people he did.

[@smallblackman8614]

@@axia6372 we will never know how well he’d fair today, I think that especially in the heavyweight division, you need a certain level of grit which he’s got more than enough of that, but I think that he would get outboxed and outclass by most ranked fighters in ther modern era. His style was strong and he could box but the average heavyweight nowadays is a mix of extreme height and extremely high level defensive skill which I do not think marciano could overcome considering the era of fighter he used to fight. Don’t get me wrong I think he could adapt but I don’t think he could beat the likes of usyk, fury or even a slightly lower level like zhilei zhang or Filip hrgovic that’s what I believe. But I do see where you’re coming from but I simply disagree

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

he wouldve. fought at like 168 if he. fought today

[@hulksmash8660]

All that extra height, fat, and muscle these modern heavyweights carry will be their downfall going 15 rounds with same day weigh ins. Its not all about size.

[@tertmade9769]

Old boxers in general, not just heavyweights were very skilled, Barrera for example can get away and take very risky exchanges without getting punched at close range, predict opponent movements before they even react, he can catch fighters faster than him, aka Naseem, fast unpredictable fighter, but Barrera was too skilled to catch him Other fighters like Ricardo Lopez, Erik Morales, Roberto Duran etc. were so good

[@mathematics557]

Simply put the top heavyweights back then would absolutely destroy these heavyweights today. There isn't a single heavyweight today that would beat Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis.

[@flexxincc]

Only onw heavyweight could compete and beat everybody in the division is Lennox Lewis for me he got everything

[@PabloGiuliante]

mike tyson being short isnt a disadvantage for him, his style leads into that making him more elusive and hard to hit, also you should be talking about the prime stage of the past fighters, tyson from 1986 to 1990 would of beat any fighter, the taller the better his style works

[@rksh5985]

4:15 i agree that ali would easily outbox fury and wildler, But i don’t know about usyk, i think he have the best chance against ali, not aj. Also, 6:40 Rocky would destroy wildler i don’t know how, But he will.

[@jameslangley2196]

You’re overlooking size. These guys would be cruisers these days.

[@Boxingfan67]

Old fighters had better stamina since they scored fights by how many punches landed. Not the more powerful punch. So say Floyd would pull shots and counter punch. While roburto Duran though a bunch off punches to win on the score cards or get a finish

[@churchofsatan2041]

Old skool boxing used to be 45 rounds then went lower to 15 now its 12.

[@simonkrebs6043]

The best prime heavy weight in history is "Ike Ibeabuchi" he was literally Rock y Marciano on Steroids. Ike would easily stalk, gas, get inside, and destroy any of the modern day top fighters as they are not fit enough to stop it. Uysk would last the longest against Ike but would ultimately still get knocked out late in the fight. Ike's chin and God like stamina were just too good.

[@Rick-ee3kr]

Bro the small big on the top right of the screen is so annoying it made me think something was on my screen 🙄

[@MagdalenaJuanPedro]

Ali will probably struggle a little, Usyk imo can be like Frazier and decimate Ali, Joshua stands a pretty good chance, Fury has potential to beat Ali, Ali will probably thrive but not as much as the 60's and 70's

[@Catminter]

I think people tend to overrate Ali lil bit🤔🤔 He was good, fast, but I’m pretty sure most of modern top heavyweights would be able to catch him

[@declanosullivan8749]

Like 100m sprinters, weightlifters and any power sport, Boxing has peaked years ago when testing was nonexistent The likes of Holyfield, Bolt, Pyrros Dimas etc are way ahead of athletes today due to that testing You must be joking 😅 Iron Mike would knock any of todays heavy out cold except maybe Usyk Joshua, Wilder, Fury would be tagged Joshua was cleaned by Ruiz, Wilder can’t even box and Fury has been on his knees more than Jesus 😅 If Steve Cunningham can’t put him down, Iron Mike at 20 years old gonna hurt him bad Vitali is the only one Mike would struggle with because of size The size of Joshua, Fury, Wilder would be an advantage to Mike if anything

[@tbupnexttruths1355]

Bro it’s way more heavyweights then them that would beat the ones now 😂

[@Hemlocksipper]

I think the top fighters in any era would still be dominant in any era. The old school contenders are actually way more athletic than modern-day contenders, though. the heavyweight contenders that fall in The 60s 70s and '80s were world-class athletes.... that's not true for modern contenders at heavyweights. These guys today are just big.

[@thamsanqabuthelezi8460]

Lennox Lewis would be an undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

[@MrManWithPlan]

I’d say Usyk would be the only one that could hand out cans of whoopass to oldies. Fury too but that’s just cause of size But if you put a young George Foreman in there I’d say he’d mop the entire division. Probably be champ

[@GoodAntics]

them old boxers are just to tough for this generation this generation is SOFT

[@darkbisongaming3406]

They soft for not swing and banging?

[@jmgonzales7701]

tbh what old fighter back then had is grit, toughness and i would even say strength and endurance but newer fighters are more skillfully and faster.

[@jonathanng0603]

You forgot riddick

[@alejandroriverojr6661]

Nostalgia is a b1tch. Some people in the coments be like those that say Chávez Sr would have beat Canelo, Floyd and Crawford 😂😂😂

[@coin4898]

I feel like people underrate the current gen of any sport Ihavent watched the vide but when I see reddit threads of stuff like this they always claim that the older school blxers or nmba players etc would just always destroy the newer generations and Idk much but it seems kinda wrong But i guees Im a casual cause idk much about it, maybe they are right

[@PLaStiiCMoNtAGE]

Calling Luiz Ortiz King Kong a lower level fighter is insane. Stop making weird excuses to dismiss Wilder. He has terrible boxing skills but he's still elite with his power. Just because he lost to one of the best ever in Fury, doesn't mean he's not elite. Ali and Tyson all lost multiple times.

[@BrucewayneOFiciall]

Bro wheres joe louis and jack dempsey

[@Steve-tp6fb]

A lot of the great old time heabyweights - Marciano, Walcott, Charles, Patterson, Dempsey in his prime - wouldn't even be heavyweights today. They would fight at Cruiserweight. If you compare them to today's Cruiserweight champions, they would absolutely dominate the division.

[@jakedonnely4094]

Ali tyson frazier norton holmes all would have trashed todays line up. They dont fight enough. Maybe diet has improved. But i dont think the training has. Holyfield bowe lewis all would have trashed this lot

[@jmgonzales7701]

they dont fight enough for health reasons

[@jakedonnely4094]

@@jmgonzales7701 they don't fight enough because they get paid millions each time. Nothing to do with health reasons. And what ever the reason. They still aren't as tough as the older eras because of it. And that is from Mike tysons own mouth. Not a random on you tube

[@hopson_edits1501]

Prime Mike Tyson was a beast he beat José Ribalta who was 6,6 and beat him with ease not to mention Tyson fury ain’t that tall he stood next to Francis Ngannou and was the same height and ngannou is 6,4

[@shaunclubberlang2887]

The Tyson who fought Holyfield was waaaay past his prime.

[@sergioflores9246]

90s hws cooking everyone today besides a couple

[@mohammadsouriti6638]

Don't forget the advances of science nutrition training methods health Ali Liston Larry Holmes in their prime could take anyone

[@kimmy6884]

Wilder is not bigger than foreman, he has slightly longer legs, but foreman would easily outweigh him by a hundred pounds if he wanted too

[@youngmongoose31]

I believe Joe Louis, Ken Norton, Riddick Bowe, Archie Moore, Larry Holmes, & Sonny Liston still become competitive today cause they are very crafty and skillful boxers plus their incredible punching power can put any modern boxers down. However, i just don't see Joe Frazier at the same level as the modern boxers today because of his size but it would be a tough fight considering his relentless pressure and iron will.

[@GrubKiller436]

Lol wtf are you talking about? Most of the fighters before Joe Frazier's era were around his size. The disrespect on Joe Frazier is crazy. Do you realize Joe Frazier went toe to toe with the literal greatest heavyweight of all time in Muhammed Ali? How the hell are you going to mention Joe Louis and Archie Moore but then say Joe Frazier wouldn't be good enough?

[@B.Wayne88]

​@@GrubKiller436 Maybe listen to what Frazier and his peers have to say about Louis. Before you go on like a raging keyboard warrior.

[@B.Wayne88]

​@@GrubKiller436 The channels you follow and the 16 comments you left on this video tells me you have absolutely no clue what tf you're talking about.

[@GrubKiller436]

@@B.Wayne88 I was talking about Joe Frazier, not Joe Louis. You're a Lennox Lewis fanboy, buddy. It's obvious by your comments you're raging and don't even have anything valuable to say.

[@GrubKiller436]

@@B.Wayne88 Frazier gives respect to everyone. And Muhammed Ali is his peer. And Muhammed Ali said Joe Louis was good for his time. You're really out here being ignorant.

[@fremenchips]

What about the old old days? Where's Jack Dempsey?

[@gabrielsteffensen3700]

First off, most boxers in the 90s and also in the 80s doped. Today it’s also prevalent but back then they didn’t even test for it, look at Evan fields and the acne filled back of Andrew golota for starters. Secondly, the genetics like you mentioned heavily favor fighters today. Also just generally the diet and physiology training. This can be proved by looking at a top heavyweight like usyk and fury as well as AJ all averaging massive numbers thrown during a fight even if they weight much more than fighters from previous decades. Basically every sport has progressed, track and field, baseball, ice hockey, and football, why shouldn’t it be the case in boxing? Some arguments to use against my own: boxing was bigger in previous decades generally, the sport was more popular. Most athletes now go for other rest risky sports taking away some talent. Also, diet etc could be used as an argument that if Joe Louis for instance got the same training etc he would be at the same level. Also, boxing had more coaches and with more players expertise. Today trainers are usually more akin to physios taking away some of the old knowledge and that the old guard has like Eddie futch etc. I think it’s hard to have both cultures at the same time, but I also think we today have better athletes and also better fighters because of it, but we’ve also lost some expertise at some levels not making it as clear cut.

[@tatzus]

1:46 why is the picture ryan? bro legit grew up with lil money

[@therealc.t.7085]

Tyson would have stopped Fury but not sure about Usyk.

[@Phillyshell808]

Theres just as many boxers today who come from rough upbringings today, many from mexico, many from some of the worst neighborhoods in north america or war torn countries. Idk where u get the idea that boxers today are soft. In previous eras every fight wasnt a war. There were “boring” technical fights. In this era many fights still are whether its a 6 round fight on prelims or 12 round main event. Wars still happen frequently. U just dont pay attention

[@ryanedwards6923]

George would destroy these heavy weights

[@jakedonnely4094]

That and the narrater of this video. Wasnt even alive when holyfield was fighting by sounds of him