How you ACTUALLY have to play to carry bad teammates - Challenger LoL Coaching

[@asdoajne6921]

i love the extra annotation explaining thought process

[@hyperjank5129]

Scariest game I’ve had was an inting bot lane that managed to get the enemy Samira to 30/0 within 20 minutes

[@jzoetheshit]

22s kill for me 30 jesus

[@Dubstepticon47]

yeah you just go next at that point.

[@NuclearNuke41]

@@Dubstepticon47 Next to what?

[@Dubstepticon47]

@@NuclearNuke41 are you stupid? Next game.

[@NuclearNuke41]

@@Dubstepticon47 How so?

[@rasmusadamsen7998]

"hi n3ac3y" When you got frustrated and yelled at him to back under the pink ward (which was comical lol), it really indicates how serious you are about your clients getting their moneys worth and helping them on actually improving. Especially in this case, where the game is really difficult to win with a yuumi twitch+sylas who were all utterly fed, the tips to carry become much clearer for the viewer. Probably one of the best vids so far, keep up the content Neace

[@VictorAFP]

Yelling at them equates to him caring about them getting their money's worth? What kind of logic is this? You can see he just has zero patience and it results in him being aggressive and yelling very quickly. Why are you making up some weird justification?

[@ricobarth]

@@VictorAFP He's not abusing him, little snowflake. He's giving him direction, and he gives it with more volume and urgency when a) the guy isn't doing it, and b) wasting tempo means you lose.

[@junebug2999]

​@@ricobarth Neace is a fantastic player. But that doesn't mean 1. he's always right, and 2. yelling is going to teach the client effectively. When he was yelling at him to back on the pink ward, sure, it might have been the right call. But there are also a lot of reasons why he could have been wrong, too. What if there was vision somewhere else in that jungle, and the enemy team saw him? In that case, they could be pathing towards him and end up checking that brush. That's probably what was going through his mind, and getting yelled at to do something is NOT the type of coaching I would pay 200 bucks for.

[@ricobarth]

@@junebug2999 Why would you pay for coaching and not listen to your coach? And it was literally HIS pink ward. So, unsurprisingly, you are 100% wrong. Too many people in League have never played a team sport with a real coach.

[@junebug2999]

@@ricobarth I'm a soccer player. I don't get coaching to get my hand held. I want to know why I'm doing things instead of being yelled at to do them mindlessly. You even saw the client say at the end "sorry if it seemed like I wasn't listening." Poor guy was trying his best and he came out thinking he was playing terribly simply because he was a little slow to listen to instructions. That's a coach that makes the player feel like shit, not genuinely teach him. Also, you completely missed my point. The client walked through the entire enemy jungle to get to that pink ward. There could've been a trinket literally anywhere in that vicinity, and if the enemy had the slightest idea he was in there, they could walk in that direction and catch him. Again, I never said if my jungle call was right or wrong. I'm a gold player, not a challenger player. But as a student, I'm trying to get my whole decision-making to change so I can make the right choice on my own without Neace or some other coach yelling into my ear.

[@arberreka2242]

The more I watch, the more I upvote, the more Neace looks like Willem Dafoe... Strange.

[@DarkMitsaras004]

Tony hawk more like

[@Michael.S.Ryan.]

Hahaha

[@rickroth7627]

Its william hawk dafoe, neace is their love child

[@wolfparkour]

LMAOOO

[@taryabright]

Neace @ a good client: "You and I are not so different."

[@Mmoll1990]

For the algorithm: "hi n3ac3y"

[@sososerious7851]

Appreciate the captions in game explaining whats going on and why. Massive help. You need more subs for the content. Bet it takes ages to sort a vid. Keep it up 😁😁

[@F90Kevin]

I couldn’t help but laugh when NEACE yelled “get on the pink ward! B on the pink ward dude!!!!”😂😂

[@jacksonconnors5280]

Only thing I didn’t like was that the guy could’ve done what he wanted and backed pixel , he wasted more time going back into the pink also could’ve been seen from a different place. The moment it self was funny tho

[@gabriel.adeife]

@@jacksonconnors5280 yes but its a teachable moment, for the most part you SHOULD back on pinks

[@rektop8506]

Breh he salty on this guy... but I love it

[@rektop8506]

He roasted me once when I guess he was in a bad mood and I was trolling him for not being challenger yet.

[@ViVi-gi1ns]

It must be so frustrating for a high elo player to coach us low elo 🤣

[@DragonFaceish]

hi n3ac3y, when i saw it was a trynd i immediately thought that poor guy is gonna get yelled at~ not that it's bad just it can be really nerve wracking

[@Misthallow]

he doesn't know the champion at all lmao. He has to be told to walk up to a lvl 3 nasus when ur lvl 6 as trynd multiple times. Yes, I know this is meant to be coaching and the guy is bad but still it's like wth.

[@Swolsuke]

@@Misthallow Well to be fair being coached by Neace probably has him super nervous. So he’s likely doubting everything he does and isn’t playing with confidence.

[@kinganonymous2672]

@@Misthallow You gotta take in consideration the fact that Neace is literally yelling at him since the start of the game so he's definitely nervous about doing anything on his own.

[@IvoryPitbull]

he was in a particularly grumpy mood in this one

[@user-nu2vc9mp5j]

cause the guy takes too long to follow a simple instruction and in this match he really need to move asap. the sooner you get to a place the sooner you need to move on since this team had no pressure on their own.

[@godursolamehahaxd9909]

@@user-nu2vc9mp5j literally no clue what you mean by "the sooner you get to a place the sooner you need to move on"

[@user-nu2vc9mp5j]

@@godursolamehahaxd9909 u dont stop moving. Staying at 1 place for too long will punish you more then just missing a wave of cs

[@itslegenderek6936]

@@user-nu2vc9mp5j I felt it in my bones when Neace yelled at the guy about backing FOREVER while he continues to run away, the right play becomes the wrong play super quick and you KNOW Neace isn't going to let someone say he made the wrong call XD

[@lsw3364]

Having been a tutor I completely understand when NEACE gets impatient / yells. Someone has paid him for his time of their own free will presumably because their knowledge is lacking and they want him to help fill in the gaps. If they don't listen to instructions or make an effort to put their learned skills into practice, then what's the point of them even being there? And yes, a lot of people think "well you're getting paid for it so why do you care if they waste the time?" Because it's about more than just the money, the point of you doing this is because you want to play a role in other people's success and help them achieve their goals, so if they're not spending the time with you well, then it does feel like you're wasting your time.

[@floreatheodor-ionut2256]

“Trynda has no cc, no utility” Scottish goblin laughs in tryndamere support

[@mychaeljones7526]

Statistically strategist Tryndamere.

[@mychaeljones7526]

imo he's so annoying but also so relatable too

[@NuclearNuke41]

This makes no sense.

[@TheWintastical]

Neace sounds like he was in a mood for this session

[@javijflow]

Yo those mini replays with tips are a solid idea and nice editing, respect!

[@azersrecordings.3600]

Man I see why some people say they don’t live coach under a certain rank

[@alexmalhavok8624]

You can hear Neace's enthusiasm when people don't listen to simple commands LOL Another great vid! +1

[@el33tkrew]

Thank you for the Nasus matchup, def the hardest for me in terms of later game

[@RuneKatashima]

It only works like this if you're shutting him down early.

[@denijovanovic9935]

The guy doesn't even think if some1 could be in the bush, it's like he's playing on autopilot if neace wasn't here. NEACE

[@teasipper5236]

Summoned the courage to watch another video of a low elo player getting coached. Instantly closed the tab after i witnessed him disengaging against a lvl3 Nasus as a lvl6 Tryndamere with ult.

[@rowanblackthorn3406]

hi n3ac3y! just started watching you to learn more about league and its really helping! Thank you so much for the content!

[@ΠαυλοςΚουρεας-σ5θ]

I love the way that he is so serious and honest. I was gold1 before 2 weeks now plat2 after watching your videos thanks a lot

[@kazysvenckus6916]

thanks neace for making those coaching videos you help whole league community while explaining what to do and why you do that and you can clearly see benefits others just push information onto you that makes you forget everything that they teach you but watching those videos you can slowly learn and think about your own games and mistakes you yourself do. n3acy

[@MitchDultra]

Neace back at it with another great vid! GG

[@keithwilliams8548]

Hi N3ac3y, love the way you unpack tiny details and WHY they're important

[@niscent_]

hi n3ac3y, just a little tip from someone who read a bit on neurology and psychology, and it might help you in some occurrences to get faster reactions from your clients. when you told them to do something or they where doing something, and you give them an instruction before they finished, try to always include the idea of giving up the first task in your wording. for example around 11:00 something simple like "too late", "forget it" or "it's useless", before "shove top" would have gotten a faster reaction from your client. the human mind tends to put new instruction after the unfinished ones in the working memory, so the person will continue the previous task for a few seconds on auto pilot before he gets the time to think back. if you state with words that you're cancelling the previous instruction, you're making sure this won't happen. aside from that i had a question about tryndamere itemization, galeforce vs kraken is pretty self explanatory, but what makes you decide phantom dancer over navori? i feel like navori, though more expensive, brings most things you could want from phantom dancer though in a different way. dps: more ad vs more attack speed. fight mobility: E reset (one auto on champ with navori, two without), vs raw movespeed. roaming: cdr to spin through walls vs raw movespeed. i guess phantom dancer is better to dps tanky targets with kraken?

[@whoshotya117]

Me: I think Im gonna get some coaching from Neace 😃 Neace: GET ON THE PINK WARD, THE PINK WARD BEHIND YOU! THEY CANT SEE ANYTHING, SO YOU'RE SAFE! Me: On second thought... Ive been learning a lot just watching the videos... 😁

[@NotthisName]

the danger of leaving the enemy nasus for 1 min in lane is so scary

[@XGab1X]

These type of game are the kind games i wish i could afford a coaching with neace. High pressure, all on keeping the momentum. Btw hi n3ac3y

[@darksinner_tpr3867]

idk how u stay this calm big ups to u

[@chrisfrench9257]

After being the ace in 6 out of 7 games on my loss streak... its convenient that this video pops up, lol. Maybe this will do the trick for me... time to dig in!

[@dompolidori5313]

neace did not relax on this kid 💀 18:42 - Spin why are we holding it! **Its literally on cool down 😭**

[@XylaDemi]

Could you do more jungle videos please, i think tempo would be a really good thing for all players to work on and clearing tempo can also help for lanes

[@shadowstar2194]

I just found another player by the name of Virkayu. He covers jungle stuff constantly and coincidentally just made a video a week ago covering jungle tempo. He doesn't put out tons of coaching stuff like Neace does, but his guides are very helpful.

[@XylaDemi]

@@shadowstar2194 tysm!

[@glenncherveny7682]

great coaching Neace!! loved this vid.

[@corbinbraaten6847]

1.5 seconds left on spin cd Neace: SPIN WHY ARE WE HOLDING IT?!?

[@NickMeechoovet]

"Hi n3ac3y" adc main, but this makes me want to 2nd tryn top

[@jeanius2462]

im trying to learn all the stuff neaces teaches and apply them but everytime i get ranked up or am close to promotion literally my mid and jgl ints and deranks me back this is so frustrating

[@LeylzYT]

Play jungle for those games to ensure you dont have a bad jg. Thats what i do.

[@jeanius2462]

@@LeylzYT yeh but im a Top otp, i rarely play jgl and if its a rank up i rather play top than jgl cause its the best lane i can play. Id gladly fill in other spots when if its not about the promotion but i dont like wagering the chance of getting promoted by playing a role i dont play as good as my main.

[@LeylzYT]

@@jeanius2462 Dude i am a Top one trick pony that only plays bruisers. Transition with your best top laner into jg. Farm well for 20 mins and make sure to gank at least before every objective. Thats all.

[@natanstunes]

I would love to see some platinum/diamond coachings if there are any!

[@deas13games50]

I love these vids btw. The coaching im no where near good despite playing for years lol but u take away a ton everytime I watch these and everytime something is repeated it starts becoming habit. I started watching foggedftw forever ago on a whim and I never really cared about trynd before but watching him made me want to try it so I m7 him out got bored and stepped away but watching you makes me want to play him again lol.

[@ivodacosta3526]

more i watch, more i learn. pls keep the amazing job!!!

[@jacobflores1250]

I love that look neace gets when he wants his student to kill their laner you can tell he wishes it was him so he could destroy that Nasus lol I appreciate your passion Neace :)

[@zeroking0811]

Hi n3ac3y, love reading those comments underneath. Would like more videos like these when we are behind xD

[@thisguy6525]

Riot should make an animation for noonquiver trynd where he hits arrows like a badmitton match at melee range.

[@hunter5701]

hi n3ac3y, one of the smartest coaches out there who understands tempo and efficiency! Hope to get coached soon.

[@TheBenirons]

very good mini clips within vid explaining whats going on!

[@tobedeleted2030]

Anyone got a TLDR version of this.. I think this is really great concept to avoid being toxic, is knowing how to carry people instead of blaming them and typing in chat all game long...

[@simeongeorgiev1107]

hi n3ac3y btw your decisions were awesome - I hope your student learnt a lot from your coaching session with him

[@rasmusadamsen7998]

13:40 is the screenshot defining what a hell low elo can be. Roughly 16 minutes has passed that game and somehow a yuumi+twitch is winning over the enemy botlane, even though they play the most greedy scaling comp i've ever seen. Meanwhile sylas is running around, drooling all over the place, with 9 kills, meaning he basically got a kill roughly every second minute. Either someone on the clients team is smoking crack and passing it to the other teammates, or this shouldn't be able to happen this early in a game ever.

[@alb9022]

"every second minute" lmfao

[@GuizhongLin88]

hi n3ac3y thanks for showing this video on being efficient to climb

[@KoloMolo146]

Good video as always, very informative

[@KoloMolo146]

Hi n3ac3y

[@TheSmarlow]

Hi n3ac3y. awesome content, keep the hard work bro!

[@anonanonson2863]

hi n3ac3y, love the comments provideing context and explnation.

[@IvoryPitbull]

also, i'd love to see if you just back seat gaming actually has any affect on these peoples elo, maybe do some updates? because to me all it looks like youre doing it telling them what to do every step of the way and winning their games for them, how could this be good for them?

[@ricobarth]

Because they're the ones pressing the buttons, and they can go back and look at the game, so some of it sticks.

[@Naturecookingofficial]

love watching these vids

[@HoneyBadging]

that's something that happens also with my lower elo friends, and that's something that I never understood, but the reaction time to voice calls is so slow every time. I don't get if that's because mechanically they don't know how to use their mouse or because they are conflicted about the decision. Really nice game tho, you can see how the guy gets faster as he progressively sees that it's actually working, it's unlucky there are some games that you have so little control of.

[@noriakikakyoin898]

I think its the Discord lag. Streaming isnt instantaneous so the reaction will always seem delayed.

[@RicardoChapa1]

These are the games I get most of the time , so fucking hard man

[@equalism6729]

Hi Neace, I have a comment for the first dive in this game: I'm not sure if I just didn't listen well enough but do your clients know if you build up the wave and crash it > If Nasus autoattacks him he takes minion aggro of 12 minions, which is equal to 100 extra dmg. You showed him that Nasus would've died to Ignite but I think that minion aggro of a built up wave is a huge thing that your clients do not understand too well. Idk if it would help if you told them that. Maybe you already have tho and I'm just inting with this comment. MUCH LOVE NEACE

[@equalism6729]

After watching the whole VOD; You did say it! :D I'm happy!

[@nadrix209]

Also in the ~3min dive he still had 2 refilable so he could even won the fight with voli

[@JaeroLoL]

Yeah he would have won the fight if he had chugged a pot right before the fight

[@nadrix209]

@@JaeroLoL i meant even before dive because he was like 80% health

[@jo-mi4966]

hi n3ac3y enjoying the video as always!

[@noctao4163]

I like how I watched the whole thing even tho I don't play trynd...welp I learned cool diving tech at least :) hi ne3c3y :)

[@hotdil7618]

Lmao just yelling at the poor guy

[@Postermaestro]

I love the COPIUM ending, after all that it sounds like bad teammates and bad luck was his main takeaway. Unironically though, the butterfly effect on the lvl 3 dive fail is so important. Let's say the dive wasn't even considered. Mid and bot go on to int and enemy jgl is freefarming. Game is lost and it feels like nothing could be done, even though that's not true. It's dunning kruger, i.e. you don't know that you're bad because you lack the knowledge to understand what a bad player is. Dunning-kruger is the root cause of the illusion of elo hell.

[@150Mewtwo]

literally my last 9 or so ranked games

[@TickleTwinkleTwink]

Tell me this thing!!!

[@nishenkunalan9736]

hi n3ac3y, and yeah I also stuck around for the next part : D

[@CashsCoffee]

Neace literally told him to “wait for Nasus to auto, then auto and spin away” on the first tower dive, then told him it was one of the biggest mistakes he made all game at 29:00.........

[@opporio387]

It's not the play that was the mistake, it was the execution. Neace was pointing out that if the guy used ignite, he would've gotten the kill, then probably been able to kill Volibear, and it would've snowballed heavily from that point onwards.

[@prinny2150]

Hi n3ac3y all these Trynd video's make me wanna play him ;-;

[@orgestpasha3966]

Watching this 5 seconds after release

[@riveryi4552]

Nasus just laughing until he gets a freeze to free stack

[@snowmankkl]

You should put an overlay somewhere in the video that shows the current player's ELO so we know what we're watching

[@alb9022]

that's sarcasm right?

[@SomethingScotty]

That guy could of also won that first Volibear gank top if he simply walked out of Voli's AoE thunder thing whatever it's called because if you look at the amount of health Tryn lost when that ability went off, that was how much health Voli had at the end of the fight even with the bubble so I think even if he didn't spin out of it but just walked a little to the right or down to avoid getting hit by it, he would of won that fight.

[@Lillemand14]

Heyo Neace! I just wanted to know if you preffered ignite instead of ghost, and Phantom dancer 2nd item instead of Navoris' blades on Tryndamere? Or you just think its better in general?

[@AlexandrBorschchev]

I just keep getting matched with feeders in nearly all my games and the enemy team kept trashtalking us. I'm so hella done with it and I can't trust these garbage teammates anymore, this video will def help me get out of silver. I will come back to this comment and update my rank. current elo: silver 0lp

[@cheesycake6147]

This is such an amazing example of no matter how well you play...if ur team is dumb:..u auto lose💀

[@thaddaeusareswolf]

Hi N3AC3Y, can you do one of these but for junglers. I feel like most of these macro plays are fairly universal for top, mid, and bot lane but for jungle its a whole different ball game.

[@DnDandVideoGames]

So, coaching with Neace, is it whatever price for 2 games? or is it hour based? How does the coaching work?

[@yashwin9575]

Last time i was this early Neace was playing Fortnite

[@Ultruh]

hi n3ac3y, really useful lessons here, ty

[@BklynConan]

hi n3ac3y this is the algorithm god.

[@ST-vw6yj]

I'm playing silver elo and usually able to win the lane (not stomping) but in 90% of lost games there is mid or botlane with 0/7 at 10min. I don't have any clue on carrying those 😑

[@paulv6732]

bad macro usually

[@DamianSzajnowski]

U might be playing champions that can't carry hard enough or your macro not that good. Some games just not winnable, too.

[@rise7056]

you shove n roam, but I dont know if top is supposed to do that, but thats how I help my teammates as a mid laner

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

if someone hard feeds, usually look for the late game play

[@TrevorMery]

As much as it must be uncomfortable to be yelled at by Neace, I learn so much from those moments. If you think about it, those 3-5 seconds it takes for someone to press b add up to easily a minute or 2 of farming. That's automatically a 1 or 2 lvl difference than your opponent if you froze and pushed correctly. And that's only for a sub 25 minute game. For a longer game it could literally be 4-5 minutes of extra farming. Totally wild!

[@Sarubotai]

People saying his team is useless lmao. People dont realize that if you play for the split you need to keep playing for the split and carry. You cant take all farm/jungle from team and expect them to be able to match farm/exp of enemy. You see it all the time where top gets ahead, takes farm in all 3 lanes, and then flame team for being useless. actually surprised to see this happens in M+ as well (less the flame i guess)

[@RuneKatashima]

Yeah I figured that Baron fight it would have gone way better if he just went and killed Sylas.

[@acemikaeladato3750]

wait 18:07 did that diana just r then e ?????

[@LordxLightning]

hi n3ac3y, would you ever try to build a wave in a sidelane when split pushing below plat?

[@cwells227]

Tryndamere is such a fun champ. Especially since you know the laner you're slapping is just salty you picked Tryndamere 9/10 times

[@bennunemacher5596]

He’s just so infuriating to lane against, he has no mana problems, a ridiculous level 1 cause of rage, free healing for infinite sustain, and tbh that’s not all that bad, cause all of that just makes him an oppressive auto attacker which is fine. My problem is his ult, it shouldn’t be in the game. There just isn’t a good way to balance it. It makes him a tank, that only needs to build damage, but doesn’t get the downsides of not build defense. And he says fuck you to all of any ad you build. His ult just needs a rework into something that has at least a tiny bit of counter play. Some people say that it has counter play in the form of cc, but no champion in the game has 5 full seconds of cc especially in a lane where top laners have maybe 1 cc ability and it’s usually only a second or so, which trynd has a slow and a dash so it doesn’t even matter. Idk how they would change it but his ult needs at least a slight rework

[@el33tkrew]

@@bennunemacher5596 Nope

[@aicu6014]

@@bennunemacher5596 I agree, his ult is just a shittily designed ability that the champ crutches on.

[@mistercreep2002]

hi n3ac3y :) congrats for 200 k

[@1Soukaii1]

he also used his pot a way to late at the beginn vs voli 2:18 ~ . could also had changed the fight

[@drawing200100]

hi n3ac3y, keep up the good work

[@sigmamale2239]

Whats the name of that lofi track at the beggining of the vid?

[@Ertihan]

hi n3ac3y - helpin' dat algorithm!

[@Rocityman]

Video summed up in one sentence: Dude stop holding spin!

[@aszike4547]

A top tier n3ac3y coaching. Just as usual

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

hi n3ac3y u ever doing a Ryze vid?

[@sorataakihiko4875]

bro i am really glad i am watching these feel like i am learning something everytime but damn you are soooo scary xD i understand tho!

[@boshamburger123]

Obligatory Neace algorithm comment. Great content needs the algo boost man deserves to get paid

[@teach9997]

Is it possible to carry a team as a support ? I feel majority of the time it's out of my control e.g. Top feeds and Mid doesn't roam or move just afk all game after support roams and gives them a lead

[@darkside9778]

I think not mostly because the support is the backbone of the team if they were idiots you cant do anything unlike the others they have a higher percentage to carry a game . so mostly the support cant carry alone and thats my opinion

[@NekoSeeU444]

It's definitely possible. He did a video with alicopter and he has been able to carry games as support simply because he knew the fundamentals: when to roam, where to be, what to do, who to peel for, etc. Since specially in low elo people expect the support to be perma bot not doing anything so if you learn to roam more and to join in with your jungler to set up ganks more often than not the enemy won't even know what to do to lessen your impact making u hard carry along with your mid and jungle.

[@anthonydp2572]

When do you take ghost over ignite?

[@zsds520]

Neace is like Gordon Ramsay of League of Legends.

[@AlexKillzMC]

Yuppp

[@Jmbrown813813813]

hi n3ac3y, thanks for the content.

[@erinfrench5178]

For a newer player, would you recommend coaching early on or to wait? (im around level 80. in bronze 3. 600 ish games played)

[@erinfrench5178]

"Hi N3ac3y"

[@warrenbradley_]

what do you expect to get from coaching? bronze 3 paying for coaching is insanity

[@erinfrench5178]

@@warrenbradley_ thats why i ask. mostly i know i have a lot of things to improve on obviously but im so new im not even sure what those things are. mostly just looking for advice. watching these videos have helped a lot so far!

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

keep playing

[@warrenbradley_]

@@erinfrench5178 keep watching videos ect, at bronze 3 theres SO much you can improve on you really dont need to spend money on coaching

[@Weroupolmitneir]

hi n3ac3y, thank you for teaching me how the hek high elos farm 10 cs/min

[@gaufill]

Neace: Do X Neace 0.38sec later: OMG DO X PLS Student: ???? I literally just heard you and was about to do it, but because I'm paying for you to teach me I'm not going to argue with you, but wth dude I literally just heard you and am reacting, holy shit.

[@tylerreynolds419]

lol neace be screaming at his clients 😂