How You Should Use Slide Oki in v.1.05 + My thoughts on Law Balancing

[@spacemountain5624]

I remember day one when T8 was released. “Law is dead! He sucks now!” Is what a lot of ppl said. Thank you for staying positive and actually taking more than ten minutes to analyze things before forming an opinion

[@Lambkin-_-]

It’s also the fact that “Law is dead” makes for a great title/ thumbnail. It gets a lot of clicks and acting outraged (wether if it’s a genuine reaction or not) is a easy way to score cheap points from people who may initially get a feeling that they’ve been screwed. I think it’s unfortunate

[@aidanguy2182]

I completely agree with this change as a law main myself too. I think the slide is still generally super strong but its not broken anymore, I don't think any character should have that type of bs mixup law had off of just crouching. Thanks for the video though you've given me more ideas to work with on hit with the slide.

[@MK-vi2cm]

Horrible opinion

[@unkn0wnmortaL]

@@MK-vi2cmthe irony 😂

[@aidanguy2182]

@@MK-vi2cm If you want a mindless character go play high tiers or something. Law doesn't need incredibly broken mixups to be good.

[@MK-vi2cm]

@@aidanguy2182 Law has gotten nothing but nerfs since Tekken 6. Stop talking bro, you're apart of the problem.

[@aidanguy2182]

@@MK-vi2cm Just because he is getting nerfs doesn't mean he is bad in the current state he is in. As long as they don't keep nerfing him after this update I think hes in a pretty good state right now.

[@MagnaLynx21]

I felt confident after watching the stream that we still had good options. I liked the manual DSS into slide as well, the mind games were strong. I passed my driving test today so I can finally get back on the Law grind without any distractions!

[@Lambkin-_-]

Congratulations! 🥂🫶🏻🐉

[@beanvan99]

Congratulations bro I have been studying for my electrician exam here and it was hard to take my mind off of tekken lol but now I can go back to grinding law

[@MagnaLynx21]

Thanks both! @@beanvan99 honestly so true, you never get too rusty though, I just got a perfect off one round start SS 3+4 LOL, best of luck on your results

[@user-kx8px9ti4p]

The stream was Amazing and thank you for the Law content because I just picked up the game

[@Lambkin-_-]

I’m glad you enjoyed it! And you are so welcome :) welcome to the game. Hope you stick around

[@kylefields3951]

I always thought the situation after landing a Slide was unnecessarily powerful, both for Law and Shaheen. In my view, your reward is that you get a True High Crushing Low that does 30+ Damage and is unseeable, and with the benefit of being able to deliberately show your hand and then Mix up the opponent. That's a lot of upside, and then you get an additional reward after Hitting the opponent? Idk. Being able to attack the enemy after you hit them (with initiative) should happen from Standing, not after a guessing game with a big Low like that. I'm totally fine with this change as a Shaheen Main, because I use Slide with intentionality. It's nowhere near even my Top 10 Moves I use for Offensive Pressure/Presence.

[@caimax1]

Once again lambkin master sharing his knowledge of the dragon secret arts, thank you so much man! 🔥♥️

[@eoStormy]

Just recently got into law again I played him in revolution your guides turned me into a goat law player💪🏽💪🏽

[@sambo5402]

Law should be S-Tier! He’s like Bruce Lee! I still miss his magic 4.

[@krishannayar5429]

Great video law is still very strong in my book.

[@LucienDadaKYABU]

Very useful. This patch will make us good law players

[@draj9366]

First of all, thank you Lambkin for your efforts and the information you provided to us. And yes, I am with you about being grateful for the changes that happened to Law in Tekken 7 compared to now, but as for the capabilities and powers of the other characters in Tekken 8, Law is considered the weakest among them and requires a tremendous effort in order to be able to deal with opponents, especially at high levels of blue rank and above, while other characters can Promotion is very fast and easy, without the need for any significant effort compared to Marshall Law.

[@Aakify]

Glad to hear someone with my same thoughts. The slide nunchuck slide nunchuck was something that is stupid and I still think slide is great. Just have to switch the options now. Excited to hit ranked :)

[@olivernilsson9938]

As allways, great video, did not fully understand the part of laws nunchocks

[@Leequidude]

what i did back then in 7 was, after the slide, get up then 3+4,4. It's risky but I used to use this to check their reaction and most of the time idk how but they get hit and i get a free launch. Sometimes get up and a hopkick works too. I did used the slide after a slide mix up as well with just ok results.

[@kezah1don]

Ive been using bt d4 after slide into legend kick or running 3 found that to be working well but this is probably the better option for looping the slide

[@MIGHTYHEALTHY]

I've been going for backturn D4 more now as the followup, 3 less dmg but I like how it keeps the opponent closer

[@RADwarriors]

I agree, the nerfs suck but aren’t that bad like you said. I played some rank as a tekken king with the new patch and got to tekken god like I wanted. All it took was 19 wins in a row! The rank point distribution is crazy cause after 19 wins in a row I’m like how am I not at tekken god or at least god supreme? I lost my promo 3 times to a Devil Jin, and Asuka but in a nutshell it takes 20 wins in a row to get from tekken king-tekken god.

[@krisbak3r]

Everything addressed here is fair. Thanks for the breakdown! No way I'm dropping Law

[@Lambkin-_-]

🤜🏻🤛🏻🐉

[@RivalFaust]

What about doing uf3+4 when you notice if they stay down alot, its probably riskier but as a once per match kind of thing seems like a decent mix

[@miguelt727]

lol yea I figured that would be the way to do slide oki all over again

[@XiaoGege]

The nunchuck nerf when the Heat Smash whiffs is the only change I dislike for this one. Making the move track less was already enough, but removing the launcher property, even on counter hit, was overdone.

[@theguardianarchives433]

Yeah they could at least make it a counter hit launcher

[@XiaoGege]

Hopefully in the next update, they will.

[@LarryLynx]

Agreed. Especially since the heat smash does not track even a miniscule amount anymore. It was a perfect tool to stop sidesteppers that leaves you on plus. Law has very poor options for side steppers now. They are either low damage pokes, initiate very slowly or leaves you heavily at minus on block. For instance, while the low 3-kick is decent, it is extremly easy to crush with jumping attacks, launchers that connect simultaneously and heavily punishable on block while only doing 15 damage. B3-kick initiate to slowly to catch steppers on react, is heavily minus on block too. B4 is like 13 damage, so you need to read their step like 15 times in a row, which does not happen.

[@johnmaco]

Well it is ok. It's a fair balance change. I believe that the character is fine (for now). I hope other characters get the right adjustments they need as well

[@anirbano]

The Heat smash nerf was also significant. Sure the changes are fair but why do they have to ALWAYS make Law so fair while so many other characters have their fair share of being broken for the longest time? Kazuya and Paul are looking busted now

[@user-mh1hz3rx7i]

Do a video on how to fake the alide, I was trying to do that my law won't make the noise

[@bonesaw2628]

I realised if you hold down after slide you can also go straight into back turned 2,2. Not sure if this is viable but it's a quick mid

[@wuhgees]

Hey lambkin. Please help clarify f31 into f1 on block. I've been stuck in the lab for hrs trying to figure out why the move is inconsistent. I can have the same same timing of input, yet sometimes it beats the jab and sometimes it doesn't. At the end of the day I feel like it's just too risky to use it. Thanks in advance. Cheers.

[@soldadodeltecno8180]

How is the oki from slide bt d4?

[@kenjiropakwan1714]

Looks like we're going back to T7 strats for Law, and it's much better since Law doesn't stay down of the floor after a slide, making his 50/50 guessing games a lot more viable.

[@MitsuSC]

Fantastic video thanks! I also believe the nerf wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. Yes the damage scaling hits harder on heat dash combos but that’s a universal change at least and a very welcome one at that.

[@Lambkin-_-]

I agree 100%

[@francoisgaubert3445]

Same feeling here. I don't like to turn the round in a slide/nunchak loop. Ils not Tekken play un my opinion

[@Jermainskee]

I found a new alternative for slide follow up. I uploaded a vid on it

[@muhammedjabirmauroof4069]

what if they use a getup kick like the spring kick? I cant keep doing slides that way

[@Lambkin-_-]

If they do a spring kick they will get counterhit launched by the 1+2 option. Same with other getup kicks if you are slightly late on the timing or if you do a WS mid they’ll get hit by it. As I said, people generally recover by pressing ‘up’ (quickstand) in that situation. Because that is the best way to block the guaranteed 1+2 if the law player is late on the timing

[@sirpolskaloot6091]

👍

[@PsychoHell-uy2px]

When talking about Laws Slide balancing, nobody even talks about how they removed the Execution Barrier from it in Tekken 8 compared to Tekken 7 To make Slide both Braindead to Execute and to make it as strong as it was pre patch with the Nunchuck Flipover Okizemi is just way Overpowered and Excessive

[@Bosko_Ivkovic]

I got hit so hard with those nunchuck changes, apparantly i spammed the oki more than i thought. Now that im struggling, do you have any tips on how to get a good launcher on law against an diffensive enemy? They always break the FF 1+2 grab and doing frame traps only works for a round or two.

[@MitsuSC]

Mix up your offense. Try going for double break throws when on plus frames only. Go for a more neutral approach with pokes like d4,3, db3 or df1. f2+3 is also an excellent grab to go with as the animation is a little odd and the break is specific to 2. Slides are still a large part of the Law offense even with the nerf so you can still mix them up quite a few times, just not as often.

[@Bosko_Ivkovic]

@@MitsuSC thanks for the advice! Ill try to improve on my poke game then

[@kylefields3951]

@@MitsuSC Slides are only a large part if you make them a large part. You're allowed to do whatever you want in Tekken. Small Tekken, Pokes, and Lateral Movement should be a large part of your Offence, not Slide.

[@MitsuSC]

@@kylefields3951 what’s your point? The threat of slide is by far one of the best tools to open up defensive players. It’s just that they can’t be spammed now. And if they work, why not use them?

[@mikiggs]

Bruh the slide alone only does 20 dmg and gets you floated if blocked. Just follow up with the nunchuk like you normally do.

[@monsieurimhim6147]

Been using law since tekken 3 , and it such disrespect to see people play with law & not display his full command list I lose games by trying to show off but so what cause I beat those higher ranked simply cause I be using law moves their not use to playing against.

[@m_king_prime9223]

W

[@gemini4lyfe3001]

What i dont understand is why Law is being punished for access to a tool in T8 that he didnt have in T7. Much of the cast in T7 had oki tools that flipped the down opponent over like Heihachi's ff2, DJ/Kaz b4 steel pedal, Ling's back turn 4, Hwoarang's b3, Bryan's qcb 3, Fhak's ff1+2 etc....Law didnt have $H!T like that in that game and he felt out of place because of it. Now he finally gets that and its nerfed smfh make it make sense

[@texas_fanarttv4562]

Bro, I'm noticing a lot of unintended behavior specifically with movement, like I know how to backdash and how to sidestep. Trust me, I'm fairly good at this game and I've been playing It for years. It's like misdirection. Inputs are causing me to sidestep, where I'm not needing to go. And it cost me the round. Let me know if you have those same problems.

[@supremekae8424]

2jEn-anHh-bhmd Any tips on my gameplay or some suggestions is greatly apperciated. Just throwing my ID in the pool of many laws lol.

[@Pkmadoareaction]

sir hi simpla combo very hard hey sir the very high plzz give me simpla combo tips

[@ST-pq4dx]

I disagree with the take of this video. Tekken in general has characters divide by type. I don't think it is much true in T8. Law is supposed to be poke heavy, but his poke like db3, ss3 at -13 are launch punishable by cast. No magic 4 either. dss doesnt have a homing mid (can be -9), dss useless with ssr duck. And dss can be interrupted with 1 jab. With these issues, moves like nunchik are utmost important. In T8, all the cast has something to call for with running moves and heat smashes. With these nerfs, law doesn't have a thing. How is push back on nunchik in heat braindead? You can do it twice and heat is gone. I mean there are characters with multiple heatsmashes which are lows as well. Most characters in t8 cast, you fear the mixup. Laws nerf with slide pushback after nunchuck removed that. When your are playing against characters like lili, xiaoyu, Mishima etc we should take the mix but not law anymore. Your are bringing up uf3 which is mid heat engager, but negative and not armor. Once law players start using that heavily, that will be nerfed for sure. When you compare to T7, yes there was no follow-up after slide but there was db4 low launcher and backturn hopkick which was high reward high risk but not in T8.

[@AllenJohn]

I am sorry, Lambkin, but I think you should play on PC and versus Asian players and European players, for you to realize the folly of your words. You really need stiff competition to realize the Law cannot be nerfed with "bug fixes" Not everyone has the dexterity to do the slide as fast Rip or yourself. Most of us do struggle in doing the slide. Sometimes braindead is the fun to play online especially when other characters are getting buffs. You are one of the lucky few players that has reached TGS with Law this fast. You would it find more difficult if you play as Law on Steam.

[@Bosko_Ivkovic]

What is this take? Most people play with controller on pc too so what difference would that make?

[@AllenJohn]

@@Bosko_Ivkovic I made three points in the previous comment, so which one are you referring to? FYI, there was a tweet I read the other day from a pro player who shifted from a PS5 to PC, and he struggled with his movement and combos. It wasn't the controller or the machine that he was using, but it is the fact that Tekken on console has more input lag than on PC. Keeping that in mind, playing online from PC is less forgiving, and when there is a delay or rollback frame of even 1F, Law will end up fumbling the slide. This problems applies to all of Law's punishes and DSS. To this day, I think Tekken 8 on PC needs more optimization as you can see the 1.05 patch is more focused Steam fixes than that of console. Hell, since this new patch, whenever I play against a console, in the runback, the game automatically reduces the quality of the visuals of the game so that it looks like the PS5 version 🙄like how we see in this video.

[@Lambkin-_-]

I don’t understand what you are trying to say. If playing on PC is worse, then why would I intentionally handicap myself by switching to PC? I already play against Europeans. I am European. Yes I know not everyone can do super fast slides, but as I said in the video, it promotes player skill expression, which I think is a good thing. Law has already been made 100 times easier in 8. I think having a super strong, brain dead easy oki loop on top of all the stuff he already has available with basically no skill required, is a bit too much to ask.

[@AllenJohn]

@@Lambkin-_- 1) Law has been braindead since T8 was released, all of the moves that gave Law fighting chance in T7 has been removed or modified. 2) That setup didn't make Law braindead because 99% of the Law players can't do that set up. Those who could do the OKI setup, they all knew if the opponent just stood straight up, the nunchuk could be blocked and Law could punished. You are part of the Elite set of Law players that can do abuse the slides while the rest of us struggle. I truthfully think NAMCO/Harada listens to you like how they do with MMSWE with Kazuya. Your words should not be taken as gospel. For you to understand that, you need to shift to the PC version. It is not a handicap to play on PC, as it is more precise than on PS5. All pro players knows that as a fact. So "all these plus frames" that Law means nothing because the Top Tier Characters will interupt and punish every thing Law does. You don't even have to go online; even on practice mode, putting the difficulty on anything above medium can show you how Law gets interrupted over his plus frames or his blocked nunchuck has reduced distance. I see a lot of mediocre players reaching high ranks on the PS5. From watching your matches, you don't get punished as much as your are supposed to. In my opinion, I would say a intermediate Tekken player on PC will wipe the floor with your Law because they are that good. And when that happens to you on repeat against with your Law, you will get agitated like the rest of the Law players who thinks nerfing or balancing Law again and again is unfair. 17:00 When you gave your opinion on the patch being fair, you sounded like Marie Antoniette, sitting high up in her palace and saying "Let them eat cake." I am sorry if this offends you.

[@ITwizta]

@@AllenJohn ermm cross play does exist yaknow?

[@Cazarace]

So what you're saying is that basically they nerfed one brain dead oki only for Law players to go back to another brain dead tool. One slide landed = take the 50/50 ... Nice bs character you got there, guys. Not toxic at all. Slides are anti-tekken anyway.