I'll never understand why your channel is so underrated. You deserve over 1M subscribers. Your channel has it all👍💯🔥👏
@ECPP Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I am truly working very hard at getting there. Eventually. Have a wonderful weekend.
@austinburley8882 жыл бұрын
Some really solid advice here, love the EGR valve information. I’ll definitely add it to my preventative maintenance checklist. Even if you do the basics, oil every 4,000 miles, transmission fluid every 40,000, air filter every 10,000, brake and radiator coolant every 5 years, fuel system every 10,000 etc, things like the EGR valve can ruin a fine car. Not neglecting chips and waxing 4 times a year is also fantastic. Dr. Color chip is an amazing solution for minor chips. The electric system is a tricky one. You definitely know how to keep any car running, awesome video man.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much and I appreciate your support. Have an awesome New Year. Cheers
@austinburley8882 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP No problem man, awesome content. Happy New Years
@austinburley8882 жыл бұрын
@Lexus IS300H I’d take a Volkswagen. Sporty, practical, upscale and economical.
@md2k82 жыл бұрын
Just keep everything up with maintenance everyday, so any vehicle whether it is reliable or not, can last for a very long time. Thanks.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
True, maintenance is key to longer lasting cars
@md2k82 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP Thanks
@felipeiturreyes33852 жыл бұрын
Not aply to BMW...sadly
@FFE-js2zp2 жыл бұрын
@@felipeiturreyes3385 Agreed, there is no amount of maintenance that will keep a mostly plastic BMW engine from quickly disintegrating.
@jamieoakley29532 жыл бұрын
Save your money and only use the fuel grade listed in your owners manual. Lots of good info, just wanted to add that as long as you use a tier 1 fuel, (basically all the big name gas stations use tier 1 fuel), you only need to use the fuel grade reconmended for your engine. Using premium for an engine that requires 87 is a waste of money. Its all about engine compression and ignition timing and preventing detonation, (pre-ignition, a knock or ping sound that can damage pistons because the fuel/air mixture ignites before the piston reaches the top of its compression stroke.) Bottom line is if your engine is stock with stock timing, just use the recommended octane fuel and save your money, you wont notice any increase in performance by using a higher grade fuel.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. And yes, the owners manual is good to follow as a general guideline.
@antouab2212 жыл бұрын
Best video ever made on vehicle longevity and durability, period.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@grndzro7772 жыл бұрын
Use synthetic, don't rev out the motor, drive slower. It's the revs, and harsh road conditions that wears out vehicles. Find out when the transmission likes to shift and let off the gas prematurely so there is some rev matching for the transmission.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right, driving style helps a lot to make a vehicle last a long time. Differential and transmission fluid may also be fluids to consider depending on use and type. Torque converter vs Double clutch vs manual, etc.
@ln57472 жыл бұрын
Diesels in many cases like to be driven hard at least from time to time.
@Jabal.2 жыл бұрын
Some cars get a milky mix on the oil cap due to the owners using the car for short circuits specially during cold weather.. in summer time or running longer periods of time that milky stuff on oil cap disappear
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
True a small film can represent a condensation buildup as well.
@thomashelm69312 жыл бұрын
Although I no longer rev the engine to "tune" the car (like back in the day), I do believe in "warming up " the car for a bit. After allowing the engine to idle for a minute, to allow oil to circulate, I drive slowly to allow the other systems to stabilize and get lubrication. Probably old guy syndrome 😂. I definitely deviate from the manufacturer recommended interval with oil changes. Even with the synthetic oil, I'm sure as hell changing it sooner than 10000 miles. Great video, as always!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Thomas and that is a good approach, letting it idle shortly and then drive lightly to let the tranny and engine warm up gradually. I remember a bunch of years ago with my old late 70s Chevy trucks that I would have to pump the gas a few times to start it especially in the winter and then flooring it a few times just ti keep it running, likely not great for the engine, but it shows how robust those old tanks were.
@thomashelm69312 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP I did the same. Expecially with the ol" 283 engines😂 always taught to pump a few times and keep it down. Fires up and rev.
@Slamjam882 жыл бұрын
My 2014 Toyota Avalon has been so good to me so far with basic maintenance. I do all my own maintenance and it's never been to the dealership once except for recalls.
@FFE-js2zp2 жыл бұрын
Love the optimism... "Cities dump salt to make it safe to drive." Or... they dump salt to help huge corporations sell more cars.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
You are right it really is a huge hurdle staying ahead of the corrosion in the salt belts
@bghoody56652 жыл бұрын
So true about the rust. It is basically cancer to your car. Sanding it down and respraying isn't going to cut it either - speaking from experience here.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, its a mess.
@MrOnlinmrine2 жыл бұрын
I would say it's easier and cheaper to keep a Toyota over a BMW up to 500k
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely it is
@mikefoehr2352 жыл бұрын
I think keeping the interior clean is important. I have seen cars covered in mould on YT JUST ROLLED IN and cars with loads of trash in the interior. Keeping the clear coat clean and waxing a few times a year keeps the clear coat elastic and prevent delamination. Since new, I have had my Tundra KROWN RUST protected and have a car wash pass with VALET and my wash has under carriage blast. My nephew looked under my Tacoma a few years ago and couldn't believe how clean it was. So, car wash with under carriage blast is a must. Some people say that a car wash will damage the paint...well so will salt and dirt.
@hookjames44262 жыл бұрын
My only advice to get 500k miles would be: Get a Toyota Land Cruiser
@number1Schumacherfan2 жыл бұрын
They still need maintenance. I’ve owned many Toyota 4Runners and their paint and rust protection is quite poor honestly. Mechanically they are very reliable because their engines are iterations of decades old designs. Any vehicle needs to be maintained to get a long life
@egx1612 жыл бұрын
It may seem like overkill but I change my oil @ 3k miles. Short trips. And cvt fluid @ 35k miles.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong in my opinion
@KowboyUSA2 жыл бұрын
Some Italian tune-ups are done to improve performance, the rest are done to experience performance.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Haha, absolutely agree.
@DRFelGood2 жыл бұрын
❄️ Looks Cold 🥶 Excellent Information to help your vehicle last longer ❄️ ✌️ Thank you for sharing 🥶
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Haha, it really is cold here right now but we are starting to get climatized to it. This morning it was minus 34 Celsius here in Edmonton . Either way we power on. Have a great week. Cheers
@williamoneal27632 жыл бұрын
So sad that there is only a few cars that can really last 500,000 miles today. Most cars will require a major cost to repair and the owner just trades it off and soon the junk yard gets it. Manufactures do not want to build a quality car..all about profit and heck on the buyer. Times we live in.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Sadly you are right in many cases and it’s a very throw away society from phones to tvs to cars. If a person commits, many of these cars can run the distance but often people get bored and move onto the next toy.
@theshield16132 жыл бұрын
That's why you don't buy newer cars to much technology, if you want reliability go with older cars buy led lights ,navigation system and upgrade you interior.
@isaachunt57992 жыл бұрын
i change my oil in my camaro every 2k miles. it's never dirty. always mobil 1 aswell. been using that in my cars since they invented it in the 80's never had a motor fail in 3 million miles of driving
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Nice. Synthetic oil is king, especially in modern engines.
@williamoneal27632 жыл бұрын
Mobile 1 is not the quality oil it once was. Mobile 1 changed its formula to a cheaper made oil. So the customer is being fooled into thinking he is still buying a good product. All about profit and heck on the customer. Sadly we are being screwed, but big business is like that. Best look at AMS oil for the best or one of the best on the market...started in 1972 I believe.
@nd75382 жыл бұрын
Do you drive you car aggressively or go on the track? Changing your oil at the range seems like a waste of money.
@isaachunt57992 жыл бұрын
@@nd7538 i baby it. on a track? lol you crazy. mine has never even been driven trough a puddle. as scotty kilmer says oil is cheaper than a new motor
@michaelmanley80462 жыл бұрын
great Information! thank you!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jeffreyzabawski48622 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert but I know modern vehicles are treated for Rust now from the Factory. However if you ask around people really have issues with Rust on their new vehicles fairly soon and i am one of them. I had a 2020 Durango and after one winter my entire bottom was covered in Superficial Rust already. And I would wash it ASAP after every Storm.
@Shadobanned4life2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another informative and interesting video! You do a good job without over-doing it which isn't as easy as it sounds.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I do appreciate that. There is really a balance and a tempo to a video to keep it interesting.
@alwayne59322 жыл бұрын
Bro believe me….I know exactly what you’re saying a lot of people don’t really take care of there vehicle for real until things start to happen & even though I stick with the best in the business Toyota & Lexus I still do my pre-check up anyway…but you’re doing a good job informing them 😁🤛🏾
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@dannyshroyer57702 жыл бұрын
Don't need a video to tell you, just routine maintenance by what the manufacturer says, and good safe responsible driving habits. 👍🏻
@kingcraven80562 жыл бұрын
Hard to argue with what you said but I also suggest people obtain a halfway decent scanner and learn how to use it. Even if you don't do any of the work yourself you can keep an eye on fuel trims and misfires ect. Its pretty easy to obtain a chart of known goods and compare it to what your looking at on your scanner. Some cars can be way out of spec before they trip codes. Cars can be a big investment so their worth a 6 pack on a Sunday afternoon.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
You are totally right and I have a couple myself. I have some that you plug in a dongle and use an app and others that are the whole device. A must have in your garage. It’s also a great way to validate any codes that your car may send out especially if you would like to keep your mechanic honest.
@godofdestructiondiecast67562 жыл бұрын
The problem with Mercedes they put all that tech on there Hondas and Toyotas pretty much keep it simple
@toddhiggins63182 жыл бұрын
Not keeping your vehicle rust free is the same thing as not wiping your butt or bathing or brushing your teeth.
@BigBoss-tk6lh2 жыл бұрын
Hi mark ,,thanks for this very informative video. I recently bought a used mazda cx5 2015 130k miles on it,,car is in very good shape..i changed all necessary fluids but when i was going to buy atf from the dealer they told me that there is no need to change the atf on skyactive mazdas,,they have long life atf that does not need to be changed only if there is a problem with the gearbox,,iam really confused about that,,what is your advice,,thanks...
@mikefoehr2352 жыл бұрын
I think that is total bull💩. Transmission fluid every 100 000 kms IMO.
@JD604B2 жыл бұрын
Change six quarts every 60,000 miles
@taunuslunatic4042 жыл бұрын
They told you that so you wreck the trans and have to buy a new one. Change it every 60k miles or earlier.
@alpappalardi70442 жыл бұрын
Always a good informative video. And I notice a lot of them are always in cold snowy environment. Hang in there. Warmer weather otw.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. Yes, it’s been a cold one up here this year and lots of snow but this week, things are starting to shift.
@kellingtonlink9562 жыл бұрын
A long video. But worth it. Valuable advice. Thanks for the video.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@batvenio35332 жыл бұрын
Nice video with the nice Mercedes c300 😊 So cold in Canada everything cover with snow. 😊
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes we get a long cold wi yet here but it also shows how resilient some of these cars really are
@batvenio35332 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP yes true 😊Thanks for the reply 👍
@nicksrandomviews12962 жыл бұрын
This is a very good video all necessary tips so people don't throw away money.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot.
@sheamuswalsh2512 жыл бұрын
Nice I am a doordasher and regularly change my mercedes ml320 w163 oil every six months
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@enghussam65622 жыл бұрын
The most important viedo in your channel !!..thans alot
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@nothing92712 жыл бұрын
You are like a Scotty Kilmer that actually likes European cars lol
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
You bet, Euro vehicles can be amazing, as long as you steer away from a few of the dogs. No point in depriving ourselves from a great driving experience since life is too short to drive boring cars. Have a great week.
@nothing92712 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP thanks for the reply and I wish you a happy New Year
@daminharris38792 жыл бұрын
HAAA good 1 lol Yes as long as u stay away from some Euros u will b happy lol. I can't see going back to a US made vehicle lol
@Johnny53kgb-nsa Жыл бұрын
I'm still looking, Is my 2006 Ford five hundred 3.0 with Asin 6-speed auto tranny on your good list, or bad list? I'm still looking. I bought it new, 160,000 miles now.. Been a great car.
@jakevic7342 Жыл бұрын
curious as to when you high mileage guys replace brake fluid and your fuel filter. I have a 2017 rav4 I'll be putting 1000-1500 miles a week on and dont see either of those in my maintenance guide
@ryans413 Жыл бұрын
Just one thing be careful with fuel if your cars says to only use 87 regular fuel don’t put premium in it’s a waste of money and could wreck your vehicle
@ECPP Жыл бұрын
It can be overboard
@southhillfarm27952 жыл бұрын
Many European cars are high performance cars which means they need a little extra attention, but when it comes to rust corrosion European cars are most resistant to rust. Use more aluminum and glavanized body panels. Japanese cars and American cars are getting better but not the same protection level as European cars.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
I agree the Euro cars, especially BMW and Porsche are the best at resisting rust
@kovalm32 жыл бұрын
Good points.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@adminadmin99972 жыл бұрын
I got a 2014 cadillac CTS 150k miles on it, transmission and motor run great. Rear Differential suck ass tho. Replaced the rear Differential 3 times since I owned the car.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Possibly a little fragile
@mektoubadel63192 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative video
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@jasonmcken67822 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@surreallife777 Жыл бұрын
You may not agree, but I was looking at a 2017 Mercedes C class convertible but considering all the electronics I can go wrong these days I highly doubt that this car will reach 250,000 miles without a lot of big expenses. What do you think? Great videos by the way.
@videomaniac1082 жыл бұрын
I don't think that the EGR valve is controlling carbon dioxide emissions, more like the oxides of nitrogen.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@brianpite08932 жыл бұрын
I wish the EGR was that easy to service on my Duramax!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, a pretty easy fix here
@fabiusmaximuscunctator73902 жыл бұрын
When should you change the coolant? 5 years? 50k miles? Do you have any additional recommendations for BMW Diesel engines? 🔝🧡
@kingcharger34122 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the content. 💪🏾💪🏾
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@highbrass75632 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video! Love the content. I'm short on time but I absolutely promise I will come back to this comment and tell my story about how I restored two 25 year old cars and daily drive them both!!
@prasadsawant41532 жыл бұрын
Nice content!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@kevinf.68472 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark do you think ceramic coating is necessary for a $60k new car? I think a full package is like $3000 or somthing
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
It does make a bit of a difference but a bit of a gimmick no doubt.
@kevinf.68472 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP gotcha, especially it's a lease, might benefit the next owner at my cost too
@user-bs9mw1cz9o2 жыл бұрын
Change urrrrrrrrr oil people a lot of folks out there just miss the most basic and most important part of the car
@alexandrav89892 жыл бұрын
Does this include the merc gla 250 ??? 😳?
@compilation88002 жыл бұрын
Is it necessary to keep the car clean if you don’t live in snow area
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@compilation88002 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP why
@juliochingaling58242 жыл бұрын
Hey brother, this was a really helpful video, highly appreciated amigo. Looks good out there. Take care n see you on the next video. God bless 🙏😇✝️
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Julio for watching and I appreciate your feedback. Hope you are having a great start to the New Year. Cheers.
@juliochingaling58242 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP same to you my brother. Good start of the year. Stay safe n healthy 💪😎✝️
@speederz12 жыл бұрын
Amsoil oil changes, is the best product-oil rustproofing every year also
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
It’s a must do in the northern climates for sure
@jeffreyzabawski48622 жыл бұрын
I'm going to try a Amsoil next. I'm not too impressed with my penn Platinum in freezing Temps.
@angelburov2022 жыл бұрын
Very good video!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot.
@christopherbradley49422 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your content!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@isaachunt57992 жыл бұрын
yeah so do i. love his videos. keep up the great work.
@Fush12342 жыл бұрын
I hoped my Toyota 4WD would last that long. After 300 it began to fall apart big time
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@lymanellsworth47272 жыл бұрын
Especially if you plan on keeping a car for a long time not driving like your on a race track will help.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
That is true
@Bigmike61972 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, I love your channel. I need some advice. I’m looking to buy a 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 has 110,000 miles. Are these junk or decent cars?
@aris97932 жыл бұрын
I drive an Audi myself but thats already a lot of miles mostly for a 6 year old car here in Europe. I wouldn’t recommend.
@Bigmike61972 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@Jimbo12682 жыл бұрын
Dude, when is Spring coming? May or June? Party the fuck up in 2022.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Haha, probably Junish
@dzim88222 жыл бұрын
I hate EGRs... They actually redirect exhaust gases from your exhaust pipe back into the intake port to be re-burned. Nice way to keep your engine filthy and carbon built up. The last time I had a car with an EGR, I blocked it off.
@chubbychicken55852 жыл бұрын
So you haven't owned a vehicle manufactured after 1989 ??
@nicholasherrera26412 жыл бұрын
What Mercedes car do you have. Please respond. Ive said it once before. Thank you
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
I currently run a c300 coupe
@daviddenley35122 жыл бұрын
You do talk a lot o Sense Mark but it is like I've said before, you ought to either do a series or else write a book because you have loads of good stuff in your head.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Hi David, I really appreciate that. Interestingly enough that you say that, I have been in the process of starting to develop a series of E-Books and it is a wonderful project which should be very helpful to many.
@daviddenley35122 жыл бұрын
That's really good News, well done to you Mark...I think you'll be amazed how many people will thank you for emptying your head full of knowledge!
@jibrilthegreat352 жыл бұрын
You fumbled the ball when you said premium fuel does good things for a normal engine that doesnt require high octane. High octane fuel in a low compression engine caused accelerated carbon deposits, which in the long run can kill your engine. Only use high octane premium fuel in engines that require it.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@derekbk90932 жыл бұрын
Never understood why Volkswagens rust so bad on the bottom. Even some less than 10 years old.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
I know, poor design and poorer metal unfortunate. I find that BMWs are some of the best at resisting rust.
@derekbk90932 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP absolutely. my e83 from 07 has zero rust!
@Akecherfd84242 жыл бұрын
Some cars won't make 200,000 miles period. My 2006 Hyundai Sonata went to the junkyard this year with 152,000 miles on it. A big money pit. It finally was going to cost too much to fix it. The engine basically needed replacing. Every year something was breaking costing a lot to repair. Regular oil changes can't fix bad quality parts that break. Also the car was rusting to the ground. In the junkyard are many old sonatas. Maybe Toyotas, Hondas and Mercedes can go 500,000 miles. Hyundai is one that can't make 200,000. The newer ones burn to the ground.
@maxforever262 жыл бұрын
So I have heard. I seen allot of forums on the Internet stating the same. Almost got one a couple of years back. Glad I didn't.
@mrt27342 жыл бұрын
Not true, you just didn't take care of the Car, Hyundai, Genesis reliability is number 1, even beat Lexus. Rust you didn't wash the car normally. I had a 2009 Genesis 4.6 with the V8 excellent in reliability and luxury. I have a Genesis G90 5.0 Htrac Ultimate these cars are designed to go easily 400k miles or more with rountine maintenance.
@halreneau6343 Жыл бұрын
How reliable is a 2019 corrola with 35 678 miles I bought new 4 Cy le eco did I make a mistake getting the le people
@wolfnorth70752 жыл бұрын
Dark color engine oil does not the indicator of the time to change oil.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Not only, but its a sign
@wolfnorth70752 жыл бұрын
@@ECPP I still argue that. get a car, change the oil. then drive 50 miles, drain the oil, look at the color, they are already kind of 'black'. Again, dark color and deteriating of the oil, these two factor are not linear connected. If you really want to know how the oil does, then do an oil analysis.
@kingstorm7188 Жыл бұрын
Highway vs city . I spend time on the highway lol
@alialiali20001212 жыл бұрын
You meant to change everything,,, lol 😂
@luisgilnunes832 жыл бұрын
Spark plugs wires? , cars don’t use them any more
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Some yes, some no. The cool packs often need regular replacements.
@leegorman83222 жыл бұрын
I always thought oil was essentially a coolant?
@maanmallak89532 жыл бұрын
Always cold and snow ❄️ ???
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
It sure seems like that.
@Anon1mous2 жыл бұрын
Pretty simple. Buy a quality car. Change fluids regularly. Don’t drive it like you stole it all the time. You’re welcome.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@compilation88002 жыл бұрын
Went to change coolant
@yakamofishing82672 жыл бұрын
Even my bmw cause I was going to trade it in at 90,000
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@ShaftDrive Жыл бұрын
EGR deleted, no issues.
@randolphtorres41722 жыл бұрын
500,000 They should last 1,000,000 miles but the legacy auto has insured they have high maintenance low durability by engineering design. Tesla on the other hand does not.
@uncleato55532 жыл бұрын
Mercedes’ and BMW are money pit no matter how u take care of it. Simple oil change and tuneup will cost u thousands.😃
@juliuscaesart2 жыл бұрын
Oh Canada eh 🇨🇦
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
You bet
@peiwenalanchu2 жыл бұрын
Do you hate your camera? Stop hitting it. This is not a scary movie. Thanks!
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks
@dhmcc98822 жыл бұрын
You say ACTUALLY a bit too often.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Cheers
@TheGecko2132 жыл бұрын
ANY car will last 500 k miles if you religiously follow regular maintenance and change wear and tear parts . There are people who have : Never changed oil and filter Never changed coolant Never changed brake fluid Never replaced sparks and coils Never washed undercarriage after snowfalls Never replaced belts and hoses Never cleaned battery terminals or replaced batteries Nuff Said 🤣
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Blackandwhitecat-u9v Жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest, ANY car can last forever (however many miles) if you keep putting money into it lol.
@bohrcyber11752 жыл бұрын
How Your Car Can Last 500,000 Miles! - - Buy toyota, minima maintenance.
@ECPP2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@ddyeo5032 жыл бұрын
Don't buy, lease, and then when it starts having problems give it back. And they depreciate way way too much,,,,,,,,,,,,,,