How Your Self-Perception Affects Your Art

What kind of perception does society have about artists? And how do artists perceive themselves? Professional artists Jake Dunn and Elli Milan discuss their thoughts on artist identity and how it's shifting into something different today.
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[@CarmenCarcelenArt]

My heart jump when you say. What does a professional artist do? I have my first exposition. I have sold half of my paintings ..I am afraid to call myself artist because I have not have any specific study. I devoured internet for 3 years.I am very organized and set learning goals every day. So I am an artist …😊😊😊😊😊

[@celebratewhoyouaretoday3513]

Wow! Wow! Wow! Finally someone who actually gets what Art is all about. Love all of what you are doing. This video is a game changer! So happy I took my first class with you!

[@reyno6826]

The way she explained how she tells people she is an artist and their reactions. That's what happens when I tell people I'm a stay at home mom to. I'm busier as a stay at home mom than I was working in a hospital as a nurse. At least as a nurse the shift ended and I got days off. Haha. I really want to be a professional artist and with 4 kids it's going to be a challenge. But worth it. These are really great interviews. Inspiring!

[@pamelahamiltonartist]

I was a nurse turned stay at home mom (Homemaker CEO) turned artist! Good luck and don’t give up on your dream. Find ways to incorporate your art with your lifestyle. I painted stuff for the kids school, the backdrop for plays, donated items for charity events and the more I gave the more successful my husband became and God provided an abundance for us so I never “had” to sell art or worry about making money at it. I also know so many mom/artists who paint during naps, while kids are at school and even in the evening after bed time. You can make it work, Just keep going and be intentional. ❤

[@alicePatterson6374]

I'm also a part time RN and an artist and a mom! So I feel ya girl!

[@jessasvingen1414]

Doctor. Wife. Mom of 4yo wild boy and TWIN 2yo girls! I would love to stay at home with my kids and paint. I have to still work some at the hospital to pay the bills but my big dream is to quit medicine, stay at home and paint for a living. SAHM days are harder than residency Id say. At least doing surgery I only was supposed to work 80hrs a week.

[@karenshoopman615]

I always ask the Lord to be creative like him . The artist of the universe. Thank you I met you at your new gallery in Sarasota . So glad to hear your positive encouragement .

[@arshagra]

Brilliantly transparent. Here in this podcast, Elli Milan is clear, visionary, and grounded in integrity. She speaks and breathes a calm intelligence with a bold soundness of identity as character. I am further inspired to continue to create character as value via the arts via THROV . Thank you for respecting the innovative bleeding edge of art's roll into a future that has no present familiar in the bogged down traditional, and often reoccurring dogmatic, understandings of what acquired wealth is.

[@arshagra]

again , thank you Elli.

[@otpasha]

Great point about the elitist super structure at the 27:00 mark. I think advances in tech, print-on-demand, and new iterations of social media platforms are most definitely in the artists’ favor.

[@Tawadeb]

2:40 wow Elli thank you so relatable

[@jinimurray4090]

Elli, thank you for your kindness and generosity to share such a continuous stream of good quality information I need a speaker to get something done while I binge watch everythingI can find on you tube -THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!!

[@cynthiacairns9209]

I love these videos! I just recently started thinking of myself (secretly) as an artist. Last month during a professional development workshop on increasing productivity, we had to identify our roles. In addition to my work and family roles, I "came out" in public as an artist and began to create goals for myself. I feel so brave! 💕

[@milanartstudios]

That is awesome, Cynthia! Yeah!!! Own it! YOU ARE AN ARTIST. 🙌🏼

[@thomasnyariki967]

In my entire existence this is the best podcast an artist I have heard

[@karenrouth2056]

So interesting, thank you both Elli and Jake❤❤

[@OutsiderArtist]

It is certainly apparent that this nice lady, Ellie Milan, is very well studied, and she has great insight that reaches forward and into the future. Here, we are able to witness something very significant: a natural unfold at 26:50, where the artist has a breakthrough, live on camera. My own expectation from this video is that Elli will eventually establish a new term, a label for somebody who is a progressive artist and is also very progressive in other and further aspects of our culture. And there, in the label - a new identity is born.

[@dianecharest8365]

OMG Elli. I cant even imagine why you would have such a bad image of yourself. You are soooo beautiful. So attractive.

[@susanhiga-wr2qk]

i've heard Elli say many times that artists will lead the world in moving culture but didn't understand what she meant or how she saw that happening. she explains it so clearly here. wow!!!! what a beautiful vision that she sees...! thank you for holding such a lofty and lovely future for all artists!

[@yishaithegift9953]

At about 38:00 when she said if your heart is beating a little faster I was like wow. I listened to you speak the entire time and i resonated with everything you said. You remind me of my art teacher named Audrey. I love her. She changed my life as a teen. I live in Miami. I hope I have the opportunity to meet her someday. Excellent video. 👏🏾👏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@marzanneslabbertbloemfonte2252]

That painting at the back of Ellie! I had a dream from the Lord similar to that! So gorgeous! I would love to hear the story behind the painting and see if there is a divine connection... Blessings, Marzanne

[@Tawadeb]

Love that painting it's stunning and spiritual

[@sharon1974]

Thank you both so much for the inspiration!!!!! So awesome!!!!❤

[@Mountain_Spirit]

It was not a girl Van Gogh sent his ear to but his friend (another artist Paul Gauguin) because Gauguin felt him. Poor guy felt so abandoned :( I happen to love Van Gogh though! His letters to his brother are amazing.

[@celenamcmahon6505]

Sorry, correction -it was a prostitute he was attracted to at the pub he practically lived in. Cut off his ear almost all the way and wrapped out in art thinner stained linen and handed it to the prostitute to get shock value! 😅He painted 12 sunflower paintings in his anticipation at the yellow house he loved, for his friend Paul Gauguin. He was obsessed w arguing his point of Art perspective to Gauguin. They argued furiously and frequently. Vincent wanted to have an artist colony In Arles, France but Gaugin left never to return nor be Vincent's friend any further. I've written a book, illustrating it currently on Vincent Van Gogh's life. Blessings and peace to all! 🎉

[@barbaramrosek4094]

Love your work and art! I started to paint and selling my work just by watching your podcast. So much worth in your words, guys. I am still on the waiting list struggling with resistence but in the same time organising my studio, changing mindset, "working out" for the mastery program ( I have master degree in art education made in Germany... I was often just break in laughter as the professors were taking about some of the (elite) artist these days... Your podcast changes the world.

[@SpanglishSpider]

I completely understand the negative self talk but you are a truly beautiful woman Ellie! Thank you for sharing that with us

[@Jeannine754]

I am also on the wait list and building out my studio and self confidence, while I wait. Thanks to the commenter who mentioned the tax ID. I wasn’t sure if that was really cart before the horse, but I’ll make that happen too. For the first time, I now regret staying out of social media. Even when I had another business I stayed away…this I want to talk about! It is my way forward through the rest of my productive life, and a gift to others that lasts forever. Thanks MilanoArt!!

[@CaptainSallyPoo]

I really needed to hear this chat. For once I'm excited about calling myself a professional artist and potentially welcoming that identity for myself

[@celadadelcastillo]

OMG Ellie where were you? I myself have those biased ideas. Now I am ready to change my mind and give me a chance of being an artist. ❤

[@debravance5108]

Ellie, Excellent discussion. I am a graduate, I used the "covid years" as time to push and reinvest in my art education. My sore spot are hobby artists who don't hold a simple tax ID and look at me as who does she think she is! I've had one say "when you sell all those paintings..." and scoff - at me! I've even building all the usiness stuff so that it would be ready when the art skill matured. I am about to "bloom!" I can feel it! We are in France, talk about inspiring! If your event will be annual, it will likely be on my agenda / year plan. Would love to sit over a glass of wine with you! Thank you!

[@BlakeArtworks]

Wow, you just described me exactly, I'm 34 and still feel painfully shy, I've also been reading Napoleon Hill lol. This reminds me I can auto suggest myself better🙂 starting up my business right now. Thanks for these videos!

[@LisaDewhurst]

Awesome Eli Milan, you are amazing, strong, beautiful intelligent leader of the Arts!

[@tabuena.fineart]

thanks for sharing guys

[@irinapandeva6334]

😂 Love. Eli everything you say resonates 💜💜💜

[@fayerussell8529]

I love how you guys are awake and let us know in your videos ❤ keep speaking up on the truths 🙌

[@CarmenCarcelenArt]

Thank you very much for this podcast. Milan group is not just a familie with talent. You are irradiating such a great energy base in knowledge and experience. Really valuable. I wish you great succes every day. 😊❤

[@TruthIsNot4Sale]

Wow I absolutely love you guys! I love that Eli has the background of a spiritual practice and has managed to incorporate that with her life‘s work of being an artist it’s very inspirational and I love that everyone there seems like a really good person coming from the right place in their hearts…..inspiration is golden 🙌🙌🙌🙌 and I got some here with this video so thank you very very much!

[@soylentlolmilk]

I'm curious about all of this and these Milan folks. Do I have to take their painting courses to become more successful? I already went to art college and got a degree. I have seen some of the artists who come out of this program and all the work looks very similar/is influenced by their style. What if you already have a style? It's the marketing that is honestly the hardest part, in my mind. I also find that Demetra's success is an outlier and this girl quit school at 15, who does that? I'm just not sure about all of this and how I can use this information for my own career.

[@marymyers9211]

She has talked about this. You paint in your style not theirs

[@mundomanual7308]

Love you Ellie

[@AydikaJames]

Thank you Ellie, Jake and Team! Have to chime in - I’m in month 2 of the Milan Art Institute Mastery Program - and it has been nothing short of life-changing. This is coming from someone who studied at PNCA and has been a working creative the last ten years… But never fully experienced real training and a connection to my professional work until this program and its community. My life story echoes many of Ellie’s it’s wild, and so grateful for the real, down-to-earth yet soulful power of this program. THANK YOU!!! I’m sure it hasn’t been an easy route - and so grateful to have found you guys! :)

[@4321lovebug]

i'm a bohemian artist thanks for the inspiration.

[@Alfred_the_doodler]

This was surprisingly uplifting. Just discovered your channel and I’m happy this was the first episode I got to watch 🙏🏽

[@barbarabreed991]

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR AMAZING VIDEOS..I really learn soo much from you guys. I live in South africa, so my rands cannot buy an entry into your Mastery Program, but I avidly watch as much of the free info you give so generously as I can. Kind regards Barbara Breed

[@wildcraneart5592]

I can’t believe she doesn’t know the ear was between Van Gogh and Gauguin. Also the letters were hand written at the time. Apparently they didn’t read the letters which is fine but don’t comment on things you haven’t done research.

[@iamlunalane]

@@wildcraneart5592 van Gogh isn't her style but it sounds like she is using him as an example because most people know his name

[@CherylWilsonArt]

Another incredible video!! Thank you Elli for your wisdom and vast experience, I loved your definition of a professional artist.

[@eleniantoniou8287]

This interview is Art gold, Thank you so much! 🙌❤❤

[@kathyford3001]

Loved it.. and watched it to the end! Great insights❤️

[@tamekabuckley2991]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. VERY IMPORTANT CONTENT AND SUPPORTIVE INFORMATION. THANK YOU ELLIE AND GOD BLESS YOU BOTH AND YOUR'S TRULY APPRECIATED 💓🏆

[@clarkoriginal]

This is incredibly educational. I'm only half way through, just had to chime in. Thank you two for sharing this conversation

[@ruthzarb142]

Thanks so much.... infinitely appreciated...❤

[@p.miraones]

Thank you for this life changing interview!! so so grateful to you 🙏🙏🙏💐

[@KathBeredoart]

Love this podcast so much! ❤❤❤

[@peterastor613]

Elli is quite the philosopher. I love her references to writers, Ancient Greek thinkers, and Renaissance artists as she describes artists as cultural influencers, only to be followed by other professionals to bring the future to mainstream. She and Jake erred however when they hinted at stock ownership as a model for continued artistic royalty. A closer analogy might be copyright laws. Whenever music is played on radio, TV or social media, royalty payments to the writers are due. Whenever images are downloaded, royalty for those who created the image is due. Even images of paintings that are used or posted for commercial purposes triggers a royalty. That being said, the artist owns the electronic copy of the art work, and can do what she wants with that copy. She can make prints, put it on mugs, or sell it for use in commercials.

[@lisar7738]

Thank you for sharing your journey of finding your true self as a professional artist. I found this podcast very inspiring. I can really relate to the inner critic and negative thoughts, too. I love that you had the courage to reprogram your thoughts into a more positive direction. ❤

[@mariaf8775]

Wow!!! What an incredible video! Every sentence touched me so deeply! I am planning to enroll in Mastery program on September and been following you guys for so long! All your workshops and videos are gold but this one somehow drove me back to my childhood and my deepest heart longings of making even the smallest contribution to a better word. You are certainly world changers and have my love, deepest gratitude and respect ❤

[@crystalgaye63]

Thankyou Ellie for sharing your vision, I found it so uplifting and inspirational ❤🙏

[@CristinaArriolaart]

What a great teaching and yes God has bless you and you bless many how amazing so inspiring i live in Miami too i see you soon

[@Emjaybee_]

Cool page. Just subscribed!

[@grozdavranic6972]

This is so interesting...Elli you are right about that..

[@madhuripatawari8088]

Thankyou for this lovely podcast.very inspiring and practical.

[@GemmaSampsonArt]

This video is fantastic. So incredibly interesting, thank you ❤

[@i.wright2106]

I love you guys and appreciate you ❤

[@milanartstudios]

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[@ancac5820]

Excellent talk!

[@grozdavranic6972]

Thank you for sharing..

[@REBORNRM]

Thank you 🖌🫂

[@michaelrichard6403]

So good! Thank you for this!!! 🙏🫶

[@sandainfanti2809]

I totally agree with her.

[@juanantoniomorenogarcia194]

You are a profesional artist and profesional media talk too very interesting the interwiu

[@beverleyanderson1532]

Fantastic

[@jinimurray4090]

Where in Miami? Is it a place to be able go visit ?

[@partsworkastrology9716]

Where is that Podcast about the Patrons? 😁

[@earthempresstv]

elli I so inspiring!! what is the experience mentioned?

[@vanessasmith711]

I read those books, too

[@Psych.o.delica]

I'm curious what you both think about the effect of AI "art" taking over the market and dilluting the role of the artist. AI is now also making "music" and "writing" books... any thoughts on how this will affect the us artists and in connection humanity as a whole? Where is culture going when it's not human made anymore?

[@SaoirseS.]

😅💀 Van Gogh cut off a piece of his ear in regret for fighting with a close friend of his. He wasn’t a nut job, he was just sensitive and emotional. He worked through the Bargue course twice. His style & vision was before his time, that’s why he couldn’t get into institutions… He was a master of design. He was prolific. What’s with this hate for Van Gogh 🤣😅 His brother’s wife ended up hosting exhibitions for him, because he didn’t have the business acumen but she did. They both loved him dearly.

[@wildcraneart5592]

His brother died half year later after Van Gogh died. Theo’s wife was educated and kept contact with a few of Van Gogh’s artists friends. It was because of the first person letters she helped to bring to public, we people get to know Van Gogh and his work. Imagine if she didn’t recognize the value.

[@SaoirseS.]

@@wildcraneart5592 thank you for the input! I can’t imagine the list of art masters without Van Gogh. I really love his earlier work especially. A little more representational, but still wonderfully expressive and experimental.

[@jutta3378]

@@wildcraneart5592 And I somehow can't imagine that van Gogh walked into a fan?? I don't think they had electricity back then?

[@Trudelleable]

Yes and Amen 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@jamesclum1729]

The work I see still looks like decorative art. Despite the rules to make work sellable, the work I see you guys do has great line quality overall but appears flat in a Chagall like sense. You produce structural forms and use some values to define the forms but there is never a sense of ligh,time, or place. Such things take longer when you’re working against the clock to produce produce produce. After the carefully rendered paint drawings that are in most of your pictures, the backgrounds are flat embellished, gimmicky spaces. It’s great that you are helping people to sell their work. I just hope that people develop an aesthetic sense that is not based solely on the decorative market.

[@dianaaugustine5438]

You put words to what I was trying to figure out. All of the paintings they and their students produce look like collages to me. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, I just was having trouble figuring out why. Its because they have no real sense of space. Thank you for your explanation. That’s fine if they want to do it that way, but I think it would elevate their art to have that sense of time and place.

[@KatsudonArt]

Van Gogh nipped (not cut) his ear after a falling out with Paul Gauguin. His vision of house full of artist fell when Gauguin left since Gauguin is the only one who accepted his invitaion. After 63 days of living together, the 2 had a fight where Van Gogh nipped his ear for reasons unknown, some say it's guilt. Then Gauguin left and went back to Paris.

[@SantieAmery]

I wish I knew all of this 40 years ago...

[@JoAna-ww3qq]

I've been into self help books for years and I has been taking me so long to get there, it might be ADHD. I cannot tell people I'm a professional artist because I don't make enough money from it. I am willing to start a new change a new beginning. BTW, the story says that Van Gogh had schizophrenia and he cut his ear and gave I to a prostitute, when he realized what he did, he was in horror. I don't remember if he knew the woman or not. However the marketing work that his sister in law made after he died was amazing and he is known to the world thanks to her, a widowed that needed money to feed her kids.

[@NivesUljan]

Isn't there too much painters? I am also a painter, and I wonder how to really succeed and be seen in the sea of paintings, painters?........

[@MovieMouseFarmgirl]

I often get people who cannot believe that I am a farmer/artist/grad student/filmmaker lol...😂

[@PAOLINAG]

Yup that what I do….create once in a blue moon

[@evrwonderwhy]

It’s like breeding racehorses - the breeding farms receive dividends from horses they sired’s winnings - and also from all the winning horses sired by THAT horse that they bred, and on and on down the lineage of that first winning horse.

[@amandastevens8515]

we need to quit trying to "find my people " in micro branches of a certain tribe - mentality in order for everyone to feel like they belong to the collective human experience....finding and using the right labels for others and the right descriptions or identity for ourselves is a sad way to spend energy....hobby artist....professional artist...artist persona...real artist....basically the core need is to feel seen and accepted ...is a core universal human experience and the awareness of our need for this in ourselves and others puts the pursuit of validation , through our proper title , to rest ...but then what would happen to podcasts

[@acsart-21]

He cut his ear and thats when he had to be institutionalize by his brother teo. He suffered a lot with his mental illness and eventually died from that. It was the begining of his down fall before he even have the chance to really showcase his work to the World.

[@adrianbaker1408]

No, Vincent cut his almost complete ear off except for the lobe, there is a doctor's drawing of it. The mental stress was becoming too much, he was losing his mind. A girlfriend was not involved, he offered the bloody ear to a prostitute. The letters to Theo are all authentic. My god you people are shallow!

[@dorothyatchison1825]

People will drive you wild with their questions about art and artists … if they get that Marmaduke look I simply say that I paint for money ….

[@ginabadeaux9319]

i have only 2 paintings that i want to create ,one is my vision that i actually saw in real life as a little girl.of seeing Jesus in the clouds with 3 sheep to his right hand side,and a river with all the gems like rubies sapphires peridot diamonds amethysts etc,,,oh how beautiful it could be,i have no way of knowing how to draw or paint them ,wish me luck,thank you

[@Beb369]

???Who is Kadinski? If I even spelled that right. :]

[@Friendlyartist.artwork]

What you do? Where you working ... I tell them i work in the restaurant im a dishwasher ,a toilet cleaner 😅❤

[@annhovland8407]

Who is Demetra?

[@carydivalentin7893]

Her daughter, Demetra Milan and that’s Demetra’s husband interviewing his mother in law. I found them a few weeks ago and I am learning so much from them. If you’re a serious artist or wanna be they give great advice. Hope that help, peace! 😊

[@Adrianapayne777]

I get it art is the rain the rivers in the desert.

[@allenvoss7977]

And I believe it’s pronounced van Gough, not van Go

[@Larindarr]

And mark my words: this is why jealous lame tech guys seek to devalue art with AI. AI could have been used differently to maximize the arts, but It is instead being used foo basically and literally devalue art; stagnate culture, control culture and progress. Be aware if this danger and fight it. Educated people who are half to Balme for their ignorance due to gullibility, of the differences between AI and real art, real music, poetry acting etc, and its importance. AI is the ego masturbation trip of all those not so underling jealous regular non artistic people and posers (yes I called it for what it is I am done with it) (who identify as artists but do nothing and mostly find comfort in the identification but not on meeting the requirements). Though there are artists who dont create as often. But they do not have that attitude that marks the reputation of artists.

[@reynasunshinedaily3184]

Listening to Ellie talk is so hard sometimes. She make some solid points but so much of what she says comes from an obvious place of privilege that she seems to be oblivious to.

[@nataliehunt7762]

How?

[@reynasunshinedaily3184]

Well, it’s like how she talks about other artists for instance. Some who don’t create often, making art isn’t cheap, supplies aren’t cheap…I know so many fantastic artists who are in fact struggling and it’s not because they aren’t professionals….it’s because they’re poor. The concept that an artist lacking success is due to them doing something wrong or not trying hard enough is the same concept as “pull yourself up by your bootstraps”. Not every great, deserving artist gets the visibility they deserve just because they try hard.

[@briansydnor4331]

Thank you, Reyna. I was waiting for someone to say it. I do appreciate Milan's insight. I watched the whole thing, and feel it was worth my time. That said, when successful artists dominate the conversation about the state of a creative industry, you can get a lot of shallow, anecdotal observations from the top. So many hard socio-economic stats and diverse experiences are obscured and silenced. Survivorship bias. Elli also seems somewhat hungry for approval from acquaintances at parties, but that's just the energy I'm sensing. I've always found it interesting how top-earning liberal artists get so conservative, so fast, when they're asked about the other 99%. Judgement Zone, ahoy. The reality is if the working class is struggling, working-class *artists* will also struggle. Why wouldn't they? Without direct economic intervention, they could struggle right out of the competition pool. And in America, they'd be blamed for it. A book I recommend (should you wanna...): William Deresiewicz' "The Death of the Artist". Realer than real, and full of interviews and studies.

[@mariaa8224]

You need to listen to her story. They were not privileged and always in abundance. They struggled and had a family to feed. They worked very hard to get to where they're at. The Milan family is an inspiration and seem very generous in providing free content here for us to watch. Their art school also seems to be a great affordable opportunity for artists to grow and earn an income. They will continue to be blessed for everything they're doing! 🙏🏼

[@briansydnor4331]

@@mariaa8224 Stories are one thing; personal philosophies are one thing; our national economy and it's politics are entirely another. Please understand this is why some of her thoughts may not come off as well.

[@FourMoonsForge]

Check out her out stretched hand - that's a strong lady

[@TonySwaby]

Really?

[@rabiaturan-o3l]

İ visualize, free Happy Palestine and mesjid Al quds. İ want to put it on the canvas first

[@amonynous9041]

sry but there's a lot of bs said here and a lot of bias

[@sylviaeder4639]

So true! If I had the money, I´d reforest the whole planet... never buy a boring sports car! How boring! It´s grand projects I´d do...

[@julesforceschannel7966]

You need to have at least the same money as how much the whole world people have in total. You have to buy off those wealthy capitalists, business owners, one-crop farm owners, land developers, and just greedy individuals. People is just geared to ruin the world, the world then cleanses itself through natural disasters, wiping out people and resets to a new fresh world. Perhaps the world resets itself before anyone in this world can reforest it. World resetting itself has been the history, we just don't know exactly when, but the global warming and wars on going for resource disputes are just hints we are nearing it.

[@michaelnadin]

300 sketch drawings I'veg ok t around me lol

[@michaelnadin]

5 cava's, 3 colour 0allers

[@tamekabuckley2991]

VERY POWERFUL 🫸💛🫷

[@AydikaJames]

Thank you Ellie, Jake and Team! Have to chime in - I’m in month 2 of the Milan Art Institute Mastery Program - and it has been nothing short of life-changing. This is coming from someone who studied at PNCA and has been a working creative the last ten years… But never fully experienced real training and a connection to my professional work until this program and its community. My life story echoes many of Ellie’s it’s wild, and so grateful for the real, down-to-earth yet soulful power of this program. THANK YOU!!! I’m sure it hasn’t been an easy route - and so grateful to have found you guys! :)