How Youtube's Copystrike System Abuses Content Creators - Discussion with

[@Sunset4Semaphores]

I am currently fighting someone for preservation of Creative Commons BY-SA 4.0 license agreement that they suddenly revoked and now they want full copyright protection. This is not allowed under CC BY-SA 4.0. Content ID has labeled such content as copyrighted, and the creator is now threatening me with a copyright strike. If they proceed with that, I will pursue in the full letter of enforcement law as defined by relevant revocations of copyrights by the content creator as defined by CC BY-SA 4.0. Keep fighting the good fight Futo!

[@BN-qo5zc]

Regarding youtube being "scared to be involved." That's their PR machine in action. The actual DMCA process would make them less involved than they are now. What they use instead, both for their report system and the content system, is a lot more involved and puts them outside the expected DMCA process. It may actually breach the requires of the DMCA act itself too. But, their ad hoc system allows for them to profit regardless of any legality or relation to who actually owns the copyright. It's not just fair use either. For an example, see a few weeks back that Ghost Data (musician) had all their music, which they created and own, claimed through a random third party using the content claim system (wasn't a matching ID match, they were just able to claim all his work as a topic). And now on top of that, just a few days ago KZbin has also claimed their channel is reused content, even though it's all original work.

[@larkohiya]

Seems the real winning play is to simply copyright claim your own works FIRST. "sorry random fuc84r. you cant claim whats already been claimed. Plus I'll win because it IS mine." The game is messed up? just use the messed up system to your own advantage. muck it up and make anyone who wants to copyright claim your content fail because someone else (you) got there first.

[@markn866]

YT is in a tough spot here. They have to take copyright claims seriously because they could be liable if something gets through/not addressed and lawsuits are expensive. Therefore they favor that person filing a claim and dont have the resources to determine whether content is truly offending. Determination of whether content is truly offending is usually reserved for lawyers in a suit, KZbin making these determination also increases their liability. I think the solution has to come in the form of law in making it so courts can more easily discourage copyright trolling.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Happened with mine a few years back with a parking company here in the UK. After my vid was up for a year pointing out their security issues with their site, they put a strike on my vid. KZbin wouldn't reject their clear false claim so I had to just wait for the strike to expire. I put the video up on Odysee instead.

[@hrdcpy]

This is super interesting! Thanks for signal boosting this issue. 🖖

[@J.erem.y]

licences and copyright are only enforcible by people who can afford the time and money to enforce them AND win a war of attricion. It is a system based on guilty until proven innocent where they dont have to prove you are guilty, but you must prove your innocent. Most people are complacent and just forget about it as its too much trouble to fight.

[@hrdcpy]

The threat actors are probably hoping to steal monetization from creators rather than fully escalate to court. The challenge is proving the bluff when you actually have something to lose and avoid content deletion and a copyright strike. ✌️

[@J.erem.y]

​@@hrdcpy I have been on youtube for a long time, and what it looks to be is that this is the exact way the system was designed when it emerged. A feature, not a bug if you will lol

[@TradieTrev]

Once got a marshal serve me papers because of Australian Standards I posted online; All licenced trades in New Zealand get them for free. In Australia this is not the case and they don't want the general public to know the rules and regulations.

[@TymexComputing]

Thank You for GrayJay - i must finally test how it works :)

[@curbysounds]

I had a similar thing happen with public domain music that I created my own performances of. The hyperactive copyright system caught it, and identified it as some one else's music. fair enough, but every time I appealed the claim, stating it was my own recording, it got rejected. KZbins hands off approach gives the assumed copyright holder too much power, and assumes your guilty until proven innocent, which can be costly and time consuming, and it leaves a huge space for malicious actors to exploit

[@meeponinthbit3466]

Seems like this would be an opportunity for an ambulance chaser lawyer to get a anti-bully subscription service. Smaller channels pay the protection fee, and then when frivolous claims happen, this legal firm sends legal cease and desist letters and other threats to the trolls. Get a couple default judgments and small claims court since the troll doesn't show up and then you can get the money back from KZbin showing the judgment saying "hey, they lost. give us our money."

[@larkohiya]

its been bad since the beginning.

[@ParthaSarathylink]

Its the law of copyright that sucks. KZbin have to play by that rules otherwise theyd be liable. So they are playing safe, because ridiculous amount of videos uploaded every minute. Checking everything is not trivial task

[@mikeloeven]

The rules only state infringing content needs to be removed it does not specify a 3 strikes system or permanent bans. you tube could remove videos as they are struck without impacting the account and reserving bans for extreme cases and would still be in compliance.

[@kdkseven]

KZbin doesn't care they just want big $$$. Small creators are an annoyance to them.

[@markn866]

I think it is more that YT playing in part in determining whether content is truly offending or not opens YT to liability that they dont want to take on. What if they are wrong on a decision and a lawsuit successfully awards damages from them? I think they want to avoid that in its entirety which makes sense.

[@Z0M8I3D]

I still watch on Odysee, that's my next platform to watch on today lol

[@rothn2]

A company could always gate the API but anyone can still send snail mail and if a legit actor does that, and they ignore it, they get in a lot of trouble. It's very possible that legit actors may do this hoping they'll be ignored and then recover a lucrative judgement. By the way, any centralized hosting platform is going to need a process to deal with this. Odysee is still very centralized and doesn't really pay creators (in their terms, creators are basically banned from cashing out their tokens IIUC). What would you at FUTO suggest?

[@robertlawrence9000]

With a little bit more time and effort, why not upload to multiple platforms. Even some that don't pay as much, it all adds up and also gives more chance for eyes on your content. Also if one platform gets too strict, at least your content is still out there for people to still see.

[@Drazil100]

I think the solution is that KZbin should charge a fee to make a claim. If the claim turns out to be valid then the claimant gets their money back. If they lose then KZbin keeps the money. There could also be a process to skip having to pay fees if you either go through some verification process to prove you are who you say you are, or if you are able to submit some sort of verifiable proof that you are in fact intending to take this to court.

[@GamerAamirX]

Someone literally Striked my channel for live streaming Call of duty from my own laptop and then gave the Games website link on the 'Content used' section. people are just wierd. now i cant live stream for 7 days

[@Pro4TLZZ]

Thanks folks, this was informative

[@TheStevenWhiting]

17:18 No, not they aren't.

[@signalcabin]

KZbin will allow this sort of thing to happen

[@Scrogan]

Maybe in 5 years we’ll be able to have an AI go over a video to analyse it for fair use. Of all the jobs AI scan replace, lawyers is the only thing that’s actually a good thing.

[@nativeabuse]

bro wearing the 'dont extradite assange' shirt looooooool