YouTube's copyright system isn't broken. The world's is.

No copyright infringement intended. | Watch Money, my new Nebula Original series, when you join CuriosityStream for only $2.99/month: curiositystream.com/tomscott
WRITTEN BY: Tom Scott
SCRIPT ASSISTANT: Andrea Marks
CAMERA: Jamie Drew
CAMERA: Joe Stone
AUDIO MIX: Graham Haerther
EDITOR: Isla McTear
CAPTIONS: Caption+
WITH THANKS TO:
1901 Arts Club
The Camera Museum, Soho
Evan Edinger
The Lexi Cinema, Kensal Green
Mandy Celine
Abigail Thorn
Tim Bunn
LEGAL CAMEOS:
Leonard French / ljfrench009
Devin Stone / legaleagle
QUASI-LEGAL CAMEO:
Jay Foreman / jayforeman
MINECRAFT SEQUENCE:
Joel "Smallishbeans" / smallishbeans
MUSIC
Epidemic Sound
Canon in D solo piano recording courtesy of ProstoRecords and Envato Market
Canon in D rock recording courtesy of Kora3000 and Envato Market
STOCK PHOTOGRAPHY
Images used under license from shutterstock.com
PRODUCER
Reb Day
© Pad 26 Limited MMXX
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:09 Chapter 1: The Mess We're In
10:08 Chapter 2: No Copyright Infringement Intended
22:18 Chapter 3: Content ID
28:21 Chapter 4: Where Do We Go From Here
39:00 Trailer and Sponsorship
40:07 Credits and Outtakes
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[@TomScottGo]

Yep, 42 minutes of video. This was a big project. Plus: I've got an all-new five-part original series called Money over on Nebula, which you can watch as a bundle with CuriosityStream! curiositystream.com/tomscott

[@kwirro]

Thank you!

[@BillyC]

Long form videos are awesome! Thank you so much Tom!

[@stormtrooper8470]

1 week ago

[@CyberedCake]

How did you post this a week ago but the video was released 3 minutes ago?

[@dandanthedandan7558]

The hero we don't deserve but needed

[@astrrra]

Actually, don't ask photographers how much their gear costs. Unless you want to see a crying photographer.

[@hariseldon02]

Sounds like a good motif

[@Dman6779]

i would like to see that

[@hariseldon02]

@@papasscooperiaworker3649 Something to take a photo of

[@Bobis32]

some of the landscape photographers i know have over 35k in kit

[@raffimolero64]

@@hariseldon02 but then you'd be crying too

[@jackiemorey6911]

"We need to dramatically shorten copyrights" *Disney didn't like that*

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Well yes, but it takes a lot of time, as I’m not a copyright abolitionist either.

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

We know this is never happening

[@combinetheelite]

iTs NoT CaLlEd CoRuPtIoN iTs CaLlEd LoBbYiNg -Disney

[@jmwhiting]

After all, if Disney didn't lobby for extended copyright, then lots of its stuff would be in public domain.

[@Noobshire]

I certainly agree that the music itself should come under something more akin to patent law. You get X years to make your cash from your product after which it's all fair use, recordings notwithstanding.

[@elisha.schiff]

Love how the entirety of this video is Tom making absolutely *sure* this video won't get copyright strike

[@shayaanm7122]

does this really have no comments

[@JackMehoph]

​@@shayaanm7122Its just the two of us, buddy

[@ruler255]

⁠@@JackMehophno, it's just the three of us

[@NHikel319]

​@@ruler255I'm here too

[@Lemony123]

​@@NHikel319 well, its now the fifth I guess

[@athos401]

Seeing Jay Foreman casually appearing as a lawyer made my day

[@viruscumoruk]

Funny scene

[@realhuman5688]

​@@viruscumoruk aaaaaaaa

[@viruscumoruk]

@@realhuman5688 hi

[@story3877]

He is the best

[@TerryTheNewsGirl]

Mine too!

[@SuperShesh2]

“This is an actual lawyer and I have no idea how I convinced him to do this” Lmfao

[@michaeljohnson7929]

His videos are actually really good. Legal Eagle.

[@tomwintle3311]

His channel is really good! LegalEagle They both use Curiosity Stream too :p

[@faust7756]

I saw him and was like wow its legal eagle

[@georgedoty-williams2085]

They both work for CuriosityStream

[@farenhite4329]

Michael Johnson sue tom wintle for infringing on your comment!

[@redulis_oni8391]

The Creators: It's KZbin's fault KZbin: It's the Creators fault Tom: It's the world's fault

[@webmasale]

It's the greedy corporations fault

[@bakacdaz]

(Tom) Scott (not Pilgrim) Vs The World

[@Miku-uw2sl]

Tom’s right

[@kris_0520]

@@bakacdaz Friggin’ brilliant!

[@RobertPayne556]

Found all the schills. TRIALS WILL BEGIN IN DUE PROCESS.

[@samanthak9346]

a fun way to explore how messed up copyright is is to attempt to liscence a picture of a newspaper that doesn't exist anymore. The author sold it to an orginization that no longer exists, that was bought by a different company, whose image management system is different from their text copy management, and the only way you can find the image of the original newspaper is in an archive which has its own licensing agreements and the original author is dead but not for the required time for your country to move it under copyright. Courage to anyone whose job requires it!

[@supreme_leader_of_the_internet]

Just do it and find out who owns it by the lawsuit

[@Roomsaver]

@@supreme_leader_of_the_internetExpensive but probably easier than tracking the copyright holder down. Cunningham’s Law perhaps?

[@lXlDarKSuoLlXl]

​@@Roomsaver it's not expensive since you'll most likely get a cease and desist, not a lawsuit, so, it kinda is faster hahaha

[@kirbwarriork3371]

@@supreme_leader_of_the_internet Reminds me of "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission".

[@anon-fq3ud]

I tried to find an old newspaper article mentioned in a book to use as a source on an article I was writing about the SNP in Scotland. I started at 9PM and gave up at 5AM, the layers of licencing murdered me.

[@dave_yarders]

You forgot a very interesting fact about copyright expiry! The Peter Pan clause. All copyright in the UK lasts for the author's life + 70 years, apart from one specific work: Peter Pan. The author gave the rights to Great Ormond Street Hospital and the law was written to make sure this copyright lasts forever.

[@TheGreenTaco999]

lmao

[@wilh3lmmusic]

Only for royalties though

[@itheuserfirst3186]

And I thought their libel laws were absurd. Geez.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

That has to be the most extreme act of virtue signaling on record.

[@nialmontana]

I suppose the idea of having a charity clause where royalties earned get sent to a charity but leaving it sort of partially public so that people could reference and use it's material but a reproduction by a new company would have to specifically get permission and pay the royalties.

[@MillywiggZ]

No red t-shirt. This looks serious.

[@zoltano_cortez]

I laughed more than I should have at this..

[@user-hk8yp7cw1v]

Oh boi this got serious real quick

[@kaischrank]

13:32 + 22:16 Is this not red?

[@Owen-]

It comes in later dont worry

[@runguardian6868]

There is from 10:00 to 28:00

[@edisonyi1188]

Love how Tom always looks simultaneously 24 and 42.

[@dibbidydoo4318]

but average would be 33 which is close to his age.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@dibbidydoo4318 hM

[@null3007]

He's a palindrome human.

[@hatedumb]

@shrowdy ydworhs Receding Hairline That's basically it

[@FHL-Devils]

@@hatedumb - and greying sides - that's an even stronger hint of age.

[@emma_loomis]

30:50 I love that he put the text above where the captions are so those that require/enjoy captions don't have to turn them off to read the text, turn them back on, and rewind. It is one of the most common things I see where people put text right under the captions, which are unmoveable on mobile devices. His videos are always so well thought out and lots of people appreciate your work.

[@dracula0]

Yea I appreciated that too

[@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-db2ff]

Kind of late but you can put the video in full screen which places the captions outside of the video, or rotate for phones

[@NopeNaw]

The music industry is completely absurd with how much of a mess it is to keep track of what license is applicable when and where. It's kind of disgusting, in all honesty.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

The music industry has always been the the most scumbag riddled, low life attracting, business in media.

[@simonr7097]

I was thinking that "death of the artist" would be a reasonable limit for copyright duration, but then I realized that it would create a new motive for murder.

[@IHateNumbersOnNames]

Ooooo boy

[@Mr_O]

not to mention artists who die young

[@annakaro9081]

Haha, yes, I am a writer and I also thought that "I won't need copyright after death" but now I'm scared to say it out loud. But I wouldn't want copyright to expire while I'm alive because I'm afraid of seeing what some people might do to my precious characters.

[@yellowcactustvz4929]

@@annakaro9081 We know you write furry porn

[@Obviary]

* stabs walt disney * Mickey mouse for everyone!

[@williambryant4139]

"How old are you?" "Somewhere between 23 and 52."

[@OffTheWagons]

same with me, I have heard people guess 20yrs old to 40yrs old but I am 38

[@davidbanan.]

Some where between 0 and 80

[@innocentbeancreature2370]

I’m 0-69

[@grqfes]

I am somewhere between 3 and 30. I guess Google knows..

[@game-guy]

@@grqfes ye i guess

[@ianorourke9709]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the incredible collab between legal eagle and tom scott?

[@Dreckmal01]

There are a handful of great youtubers making an appearance in this video.

[@thepenguinmafia]

That was my fave.

[@murpledeer]

“This man is an actual lawyer I have no clue how I convinced him to film this” was incredible

[@ilmarilah1195]

The Collab confirms that legal eagle, Tom Scott and tierzoo are in the same cinematic universe Edit: Tim Scott did a collab with MrWhoseTheBoss. And chased the jet lag team around London. That confirms that jet lag also belongs

[@freekingfreaking246]

And Jay Foreman??

[@AnnoyingSoundsMadeRelaxing]

The thing that infuriates me is that many copyright cases end with the confiscation of computers. That’s not an eye for an eye; that’s an eye for a dirty look.

[@dororo2597]

Cases example? Give me pal

[@tristan5299]

@@dororo2597 one extreme example is Kim Dotcom. When he lived in new zealand, he got (at the time) illegally swatted (a court ruled after that it was legal) and all his drives were illegally provided to the fbi. He 100% infringed on copyright, but they broke *multiple* laws to get him. And a lot more sketchy stuff going on that I left out. Go read up on it on wikipedia or something.

[@lottery248]

​@@tristan5299that's even worse than KZbin's!

[@MrProtjes]

"I'm really surprised nobody has sued giphy for all their money yet." giphy: *sweats profusely*

[@jpobi9880]

Hahahha exactly my thoughts.

[@jpobi9880]

*giphy sues Tom for being mentioned*

[@SangoProductions213]

Ah hah! But in order to sue us, you have to pronounce our name!

[@Voreoptera]

I think some organisations should not exist.

[@Cymes]

My name gif.

[@wormwoodbecomedelphinus4131]

"We live in a society" but its 42 minutes long and well made.

[@inyoface5456]

Underrated

[@lethauntic]

We do, in fact, live in what is called a society.

[@PrettyBitchLuna]

Facts

[@inyoface5456]

@@TheFalseShepphard true

[@legohexman2858]

@@TheFalseShepphard I'm cool because I don't do popular things

[@baddrivingsouthwales4789]

There are companies out there that just seemingly try their luck with claiming copyright on entire or parts of music videos by independent creators. A friend of mine had a claim filed against one of her videos for some of the footage…yet every second of footage was filmed by her; and it was just POV footage at a beach. Took her ages to get the claim settled.

[@DontYouDareToCallMePolisz]

That's... Evil

[@Gabo_2825]

7:12 not Tom foreshadowing the worst apology video that would be released 3 years later 💀

[@GreatGizmo74]

😂

[@dominiquarz3868]

Omg😂😂😂😂

[@sidchaini]

Could you elaborate which video you're talking about?

[@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa]

person who has only seen coleen ballinger's apology seeing someone playing ukelele: 'getting a lot of coleen ballinger vibes from this'

[@GuuMonster]

Tom: Copyright shouldn't last longer than 50 years... Disney: I sense a disturbance in the force...

[@legendarynoodle2438]

*a disturbance in money

[@Sydra.]

5 years would be even better

[@dougbrowning82]

Originally, it was 14 years, with an option for a 14 year extension, just like patients. A lot has changed over the years.

[@UltimatePowa]

14 years should be the most it should ever be.

[@tomasr.2945]

It's ironic that you're quoting Star Wars: the franchise that Disney bought to be their cash cow and will most likely hold on to for years to come.

[@rebmcr]

I like how Tom's idea of annoying is just Tom but wearing a Hawaiian shirt.

[@raziasultana5222]

lmfao

[@HashimAziz1]

I like to think it's a whole different alter ego called Tim

[@lilylopnco]

@@HashimAziz1 The dollar store Tom Scott, Tim Scot

[@Eric.-.]

Tim Scitt

[@KCGamingBuddies]

@@lilylopnco tim scotch

[@austinevplab7167]

Happened to me. Bought music from a "Royalty Free Music" site which included a copy of the music license. Got a copyright strike and when I challenged it all they said was "They disagreed. Copyright is still in force."

[@born2war]

I remember someone told me I was stupid because I paid $5 for a small stock picture of a rose to use it for a cover into Wattpad. But I was not taking chances, even if the story had zero readers.

[@SanctuaryADO]

What's the story called mate? I wouldn't mind reading whatever you wrote.

[@born2war]

@@SanctuaryADO Thanks a lot, Ben. But it is in Spanish 😅 In English, the title is Blood and Roses: Versailles Palace. Vampire story.

[@SanctuaryADO]

@@born2war haha that might be a problem considering I'm a monolingual sod. Ah well! Have a good day mate 👍

[@RoflcopterLamo]

@@SanctuaryADO MTL poetry never stopped nobody

[@jackgreen05]

​@@born2war Hola! Yo hablo español pero no pude encontrar tu historia 😿

[@voidmayonnaise]

Disney lobbied copyright law into absurdity. 70 years after the creator’s death is bloody absurd.

[@chongjunxiang3002]

70 years is enough time for Disney to create real life film to further extend the already fair use books.

[@AugustusBohn0]

speaking of that horrible corporation, get ready for them to make things worse again in 2024.

[@generictimestamperstupendi9021]

@@AugustusBohn0 what are they doing in 2024

[@Tessa_Gr]

What really pisses me off is that most Disney films aren't their original work. Many of their films are about fairy tales and similar stuff so that they don't have actually write new and original stories. Especially as someone who grew up with the tales of the Brothers Grimm (not written by the Brothers themselves, they just wrote down fairy tales) it really angers me how shitty and morally corrupt Disney is.

[@Robbedem]

I don't even understand what the creators life has to do with it. It should just been x years after public release. (20 years should be plenty)* *Tom Scott seems to go for 50 years. Maybe 20 years is still short, but IMHO 40 years should be the max.

[@zozodj2r]

Convincing Legal Eagle to be a vampire is a decent flex

[@yolo-sy6zl]

true

[@gearheadlydia]

I'm kind of curious who the voice behind the camera was during that scene.

[@baconlord9062]

Leagle

[@t3hd0n]

i immediately came to the comments to see what was said about this scene

[@nicelizreu1]

Woah, I missed that. Anyone have a time stamp?

[@plat6164]

The next step after dealing with copyright is dealing the reality that some works only ever gain serious traction after the copyright owner can no longer benefit from royalties. Like some now famous artists never being recognized during their lifetime.

[@deedeeen]

That partly arose due to the lengthy copyright durations.

[@VanessaMagick]

And that sucks, sure, but is that a problem that needs solving?

[@deedeeen]

Well, _somewhat._

[@Mr_Brains]

Because of copyright slaugthering them like sheep

[@lowmax4431]

I'm just impressed by how long he can monologue without making a mistake

[@ash_tray_6]

I think you missed the credits then haha

[@wongsaraf]

Tom : We need to shorten how long copyright lasts. Disney : So you have chosen death.

[@ordinaryshiba]

I actually thought of this for some days

[@HH-je3sh]

Nice comment

[@CoriHaws]

Did you get a loisence for that quote?

[@changsiah2]

Disney hater

[@awesomeguy2009]

@@changsiah2 they're an evil company, dude

[@jamestreveil4866]

I think the biggest injustice is that you can't defend yourself without having buckets of money to spend on lawyers.

[@giffkeplen2951]

That's the problem with KZbin's copywrite laws, the impossibility of contesting it. You get to send a request to the claimant and if that fails it's court or you just accept the loss. If someone uploads a 40 minute video and it has 8 seconds of fair use content, that content can be claimed and every cent of revenue goes to the claimant.

[@TheEndernal]

Why capitalism sucks

[@giffkeplen2951]

@@TheEndernal Capitalism doesn't suck, unfettered capitalism sucks. Well regulated capitalism is the only functional economic system out there.

[@TheEndernal]

@@giffkeplen2951 true

[@rqb6731]

was gna comment about that being a problem with america but giffkeplen said it perfectly, we need more government assistance

[@thebestmcmeow]

How you manage to keep someone with ADHD (me and probably a lot of other people) hooked on videos talking about the in theory most boring things on earth is beyond me. Yet you do, hats off because that is truly amazing.

[@calihhan4706]

This is how we learn 🙃

[@roserose6418]

Tom's such a good presenter. A consistent energy and pacing, with no overly-complex words. Doing that while still being engaging is a underrated skill

[@JoshuaTootell]

I fell asleep. 🤣 Okay, I do that all the time and just rewind when I wake up and see what I missed

[@ThisWillCharacter]

It’s hyperfocusing, getting rlly in depth about weird random things is an ADHD trait

[@ducminhduong9873]

Because the topics are not actually boring, and a lot of work went into them to ensure that translates onscreen.

[@JouMxyzptlk]

My problem is with the choice I get: I can tell it is a false claim, and the OTHER party has to agree "yes, it is wrong". That is the part which made me put up less and less videos on youtube, 'cause the other party can still say "it is mine" even though it clearly isn't. This disadvantage is my problem with youtube.

[@justalonelypoteto]

the good thing is that if they want to insist, they have to actually file a lawsuit. The bad part is you have to provide your details so you can be sued if you wish to dispute it

[@ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb]

​@@justalonelypotetoThe bad part is when people actually steall content and you can't do anything about it unless you file a lawsuit

[@AtomicLegion]

Nothing is a better example of copyright being a joke than how disney was able to maintain copyright of mickey mouse after the copyright expired.

[@jollyboyspecial]

Disney claims copyright on things like Grimm characters. Disney seem to think they can own copyright on the public domain.

[@NateROCKS112]

And, furthermore, the Supreme Court being like "sounds about right" in Eldred v. Ashcroft.

[@NateROCKS112]

@Mr Right utility for a corporation isn't justification for depriving the public of a free culture. While Mickey Mouse was the lucky one, there are many works from 1926 that aren't preserved because it's illegal to do so. Disney wouldn't "lose" Mickey Mouse; they could still produce works based on him, since Disney is part of the public. Mickey Mouse entering the public domain isn't "splitting" the two; it's letting people create stuff with Mickey Mouse, sure, but Disney will remain associated with the character for generations to come. Edit: Copyright is a bargain. Instead of paying tax money for public transportation, we pay freedom for increased production of creative works. However, at some point it becomes diminishing returns, and we shouldn't give up more freedom. As it currently stands, Disney is pirating Mickey Mouse from the public.

[@NateROCKS112]

@Mr Right if you're being serious, I have lost all hope in humanity. It's over. Big media corporations win. Nothing can ever convince your brainwashed mind that copyright is not property and that too restrictive copyright is robbing the public of their creativity.

[@NateROCKS112]

@Mr Right did want to also note that trademark law would still cover Mickey Mouse-based logos that Disney makes, so in that case consumers wouldn't be confused about which company is associated with that logo.

[@ev-0163]

The guy who wrote the dictionary: imma bout to end everyones career

[@tohfawalker159]

phthalo blue you can’t copyright a single word and a phrase is difficult to claim copyright for. I think the smallest amount of text you can easily copyright is a paragraph or more.

[@Gogglesofkrome]

@@tohfawalker159 I suppose a good example of this would be a poem, but even now not a lot of people really even respect that, especially considering how most people who write poems simply don't have the monetary or legal power to make such a maneuver

[@big924]

I don’t think a single string of words should be able to be copyrighted, like a single line from a poem, roses are red shouldn’t be able to be copyrighted and if you yourself are making a poem, and use “the raven was riding on the wind” etc. shouldn’t be copyrighted

[@big924]

If you are replying to me, it’s not supposed to be real poetry, it’s a stereotypical exaggeration not supposed to mean anything but to illustrate what part of the poem it’s talking about.if it’s not replying to me then cool

[@kindoe6399]

It's joke

[@1Kekz]

These are the best closed captions I have ever seen. Great work by your subtitler! I'm a subtitler too and this inspires me a lot.

[@cementi4381]

Copyright law is designed so that those with the money can buy the rights to whatever they want so long as they can afford the lawyers.

[@YraxZovaldo]

No it isn’t

[@getreal2592]

@@YraxZovaldo It didn't used to be that. But that's essentially what it's become after decades and decades of corporations lobbying congress to change the laws to fit their moneymaking motives.

[@ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb]

​@@YraxZovaldoNo, it literally is. Watch cgpgrey's Rules for Rulers if you want to know why

[@p0cket646]

Imagine being a little kid online who doesn't know what copyright is, and accidentally losing your family 35k from uploading baby shark

[@hurricanemeridian8712]

Literally this

[@Ciara_Foxx]

Back in my day kids lost their family's money in online poker.

[@gdxnsk]

-Any game with lootboxes ever

[@bruhmoment1835]

.. deserved

[@bhagwatipawar4476]

@@gdxnsk Geez, those kids were actively investing online though it was a short time investment 🤣

[@whistletoe]

if photographers weren't more generous they could singlehandedly destroy the meme industry

[@randon19yearold]

If by industry you mean random people's instagram and facebook accounts

[@n30m84]

Annoying 15 year old your name fits you really well :)

[@randon19yearold]

@@n30m84 Thank you :')

[@walidfakhfakh3660]

@@n30m84 you quanaze q AYAUAUNEN quaaaannze depressed year old

[@gregtv1467]

@whistletoe No they couldn't and that's why they haven't.

[@shangerdanger]

what i think is so interesting is that an artist of a song will own the video if there's a song and a video together... why don't I get to still own the video just because their song is on it?

[@itheuserfirst3186]

Lobbyists and lawyers. The end.

[@grants7390]

if you mean an original video that you made with someone else's music in it you cold just delete the video, then re upload without the music. if the video doesn't work without their music, then maybe you should pay them to use their music.

[@connermarchetti7522]

Damn that's crazy all I have to do is pay to use their music? let me just whip out my wallet full of ca--oh wait

[@grants7390]

@@connermarchetti7522 then don't use their music. It's their property if you you can't afford to pay to use their property, then don't use it. they worked hard to create that work of art, or paid tonne of money for the rights to the work of art.

[@connermarchetti7522]

@@grants7390 if I'm not making any money and giving credit to the artists I fail to see why it's wrong for me to use their music. I could care less about the monetization I just wanna make fun tribute videos for shows/movies I love.

[@kenakofer]

One thing that's great about the hypothetical 50-years-from-publication copyright is that you don't have to track down the creator's death date to determine public domain status. For lesser-known creations, it's far more difficult to track down personal information about the creator than it is to check the publication year. This goes back to what you mentioned about "orphaned works". If no one knows exactly which John Smith it was who authored this book, can you be sure he's been dead long enough?

[@eoghan.5003]

"Tom Scott: the feature length film" is finally here wow that's a lot of likes when all I did was say the predictable comment under any long video

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

Nah, this is TV documentary sized. Feature length is an hour and a half or longer.

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences define "Feature Length" as 40 minutes or over. As just over 42 minutes, this video qualifies.

[@danielchequer5842]

Tom Scott: The Movie

[@6105boe]

Tom Scott 2: Legal Boogaloo Tom Scott 3: Tom Scott Is Not Free Tom Scott 4: Scott Goes To War I can go on.

[@eoghan.5003]

@@pavarottiaardvark3431 Thank you, gallant aardvark, for rescuing my joke from the veritable gutter of technical inaccuracy.

[@joebykaeby]

Tom: "We need to shorten how long copyrights last" >Mickey Mouse wants to access your location

[@elplain]

🤣🤣🤣

[@gnomsrepnay]

Mickey Mouse wants to wipe your location off the face of the earth

[@mr_biscuit]

*Mickey mouse wants to commit war crimes*

[@toschrama]

The reason it is already 70 years is because of Mickey Mouse... and it is up in 2023

[@shyresearcher]

Isn't there a compromise? Something like after 50 years copyright holders have to pay $10k per year to maintain their copyright. Small potatoes for seriously valuable properties, but this system would allow the other 90%+ to transition into the public domain.

[@radaro.9682]

That you differentiate between legality and morality makes me happy. That's something few people do enough.

[@Drakshl]

I think the biggest issue with the copyright system on KZbin is that the holder of copyright from 15 seconds of a 2 hour video can just make money from your entire video. Let them ringfence the section of the video with mid rolls they can profit from, and not just take everything. thats just me though

[@squeakybunny2776]

What if I rip off a complete music video or movie even and then out 10 hours of random footage after it?

[@ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb]

​@@squeakybunny2776Then people probably won't watch the random footage, and the ads there wouldn't make any money

[@imnonene]

>using quasi-lawyer for the legal cameo >using actual lawyer for the vampire cameo Tom has his priority right

[@Magtranya]

Tadtathep Thepboriruck Isn’t Leonard French an actual copyright attorney? (Rhetorical) Jay Foreman is a comedian, but one of them is a lawyer licensed to practice for sure

[@Bootleg_Jones]

Leonard French isn't just a copyright attorney, he's our *favorite* copyright attorney.

[@Spiderboydk]

Leonard French is a practicing attorney besides being a youtuber.

[@baylinkdashyt]

I totally missed that it was Leonard, though I did spot the Eagle.

[@adamgill]

Look at him - showing off being outside.....

[@affalaffaa]

La Di Da

[@taaviparn9175]

@@affalaffaa schlob on me knob.

[@danpreston564]

In Milton Keynes, no less.

[@OrenKaplan83]

a) Britain only closed down this past week. b) It was probably shot weeks ago and only finalized editing now.

[@alamrasyidi4097]

Probably prerecorded before the entire mess

[@Tepalus]

Lawyer: "We're going to sue you out of existance" YT/Aphabet: "I don't think so"

[@caseycu]

When NASA has *repetitively* gotten videos and live feeds taken down, I’d say it’s broken af. And yes, I get that content ID is a response to an outdated system, but it’s still a broken response.

[@_yerf]

Jay Foreman just can't exist without screaming once in a while

[@Madhattersinjeans]

mood

[@Max-se3ii]

Mahogany

[@farhan8709]

Oak

[@nickvanruiven]

Jay Foremapman

[@TGLapin]

That was the best part

[@jorgeaura2890]

I just love how the legal system is set up in such a way that is cheaper to admit you are guilty than defending yourself in court. You are supposed to have a fair trial but that's impossible when you are facing a multibillion company that can hire as many expensive lawyers as they want. The justice system isn't just at all.

[@alimohsin496]

It is what it is :/

[@nullbeyondo]

Why do you `love` that? Disgusting. Edit: It's ironic how the normies who never got my sarcastic response telling me if I ever heard of sarcasm~

[@sydnearuppert5305]

They were being sarcastic

[@frameturtle]

@@nullbeyondo heard of sarcasm?

[@rfichokeofdestiny]

That’s because it has been thoroughly and completely distorted over the past 150 years or so by government “regulators” on behalf of well-connected interests.

[@endleontiozae7061]

I think that getting your work to enter public domain on a large scale should be an honorable thing.

[@Saint5555]

The current trend of popular musicians selling the rights to their catalog to big media corps for hundreds of millions is only going to make the copyright system even more vicious

[@kavertia6261]

Can we just talk about the fact that LegalEagle just appeared out of nowhere in this video acting like a vampire being fought off with “no copyright infringement intended” as the cross? I didn’t know how much I needed this.

[@sadianaheen7270]

that made my day. that bit was funny.

[@bensmith6518]

Haha yes I watched the whole video too. I don't think your comment is fair use.

[@kavertia6261]

Ben Smith _sigh_ I’ll go get my lawyers...

[@Sheridan2LT]

LMAO WHYYYYY :D That's so perfect haha

[@satyris410]

Indochino...

[@gregorflopinski9016]

Mickey mouse: *going into the public domain* Disney: welp, hey congress Congress: yes master Disney: here’s 4 million, do your magic

[@philltheotherguy1868]

snurk agurk 4000? That’s rookie numbers.

[@JaneDoe-dg1gv]

Phill The Other Guys politicians sell for cheap; no joke.

[@Ilsezwarts]

I love how you changed 4000 into 4 million. Prolonged copyright is Disney's biggest concern, wouldn't surprise me too much if we are talking about multiple billions being spent here.

[@komokozy]

Totally right, had a marketing teacher in collage 18 years ago that told us that Mickey Mouse was going into public domain in about 3 years, but it would never actually happen due to just this.

[@gregorflopinski9016]

@@Ilsezwarts was a mistake on my part

[@louisthebee]

mickey mouse is now free as of yesterday (01/01/2024) and tom scott released his last weekly video ever 16 hours later. sad we won’t see his update on disneys copyright now

[@bloopahVIII]

it's not a major loss, or any loss at all, it's not like corporations suddenly lose the ability to make more with characters when their copyright expires, it just means that everyone is allowed to use it without having to pay for it in some way, and disney certainly didn't have to pay anything when they adapted alice's adventures in wonderland, a book even then in the public domain, as an animated film and in my honest opinion, those who support the copyright system we have today are either uninformed, delusional/ignorant, or the same people who lobbied for it to happen and who want to suppress the ideas of independent artists

[@CollinKeegan]

Another important thing I think about the difference between patents and copyright is that patents are described and archived as part of that process, so there isn't the "orphaned works" issue for patent. I honestly think the archival aspect of copyright is something that would be nice to be specifically addressed in law, like adding archival and backup without further distribution until copyright expiration to what is considered a fair use, or having a patent-like system where media must be submitted to a central government database whenever copyright is legally enforced (so if a cease and desist was sent or a lawsuit was brought, to be enforceable, the media would have to be submitted). And then there's the issue of DRM... anyways, that's all just to say that I think it's really important to not lose even obscure bits of culture and art.

[@quetzal8100]

The fact that you got an actual lawyer to perform as a vampire for a 10-second clip cracks me up to this day

[@simp-slayer]

He's a KZbinr too, channel name is LegalEagle.

[@EikoandMog]

For bonus points, he's a copyright lawyer!

[@priyanlevesque]

666 likes. Please don't ruin it anyone.

[@drkrik4985]

@@priyanlevesque It's 888 now

[@realhawaii5o]

When Legal Eagle got scared away like a vampire... That cracked me up.

[@steveaustin2686]

IKR. I had to stop and rewind I was laughing so hard. Especially about the little note at the bottom.

[@kikilo9647]

@@steveaustin2686 I couldnt see the letters so i kept thinking which video was that???

[@flarinflint]

The third party "legal expert" is Jay Foreman btw (You can find his channel on yt)

[@LordBhorak]

And the other lawyer is Leonard French (a real deal copyright lawyer).

[@regan3873]

For some reason my time thing is backwards but if anyone is curious (like I was) it’s @11:50

[@tritoner1221]

this video is amazing! the way you play out scenarios to showcase how absurd copyright laws are is genius

[@asteroid889]

Copyright is supposed to protect small creators from big corporations, but it ends up protecting big corporations from small creators.

[@PremierCCGuyMMXVI]

Very well said

[@yaboi-km2qn]

no its supposed to protect the big companies.

[@TFBPDK]

Isn’t it meant to protect both.

[@zorimanar2247]

Copyright is meant to protect anyone who's work is being stolen. Big or Small. It's just that big corporations tend to benefit more, and also lobbyed it out of proportion.

[@aquamarinerose5405]

> "We need to shorten how long copyright lasts" *Disney would like to know your location*

[@gab_v250]

Every relative of a famous artist: yesn't.

[@ih82r8]

Disney is mean about their stuff. They've limited releases and sales for eons; even calling it "the vault" where it all lives. They are the Scrooge McDuck of the corporate world.

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Hilarious and original joke, mate

[@memerboi69.0]

disney going bankrupt

[@gab_v250]

also Nintendo to be honest.

[@Watrmeln]

Jay foreman screaming is way funnier than it’s supposed to

[@reidarkollstrm5218]

Jay foreman is always funny

[@TechnicallyLogical2009]

Timestamp please

[@reidarkollstrm5218]

@@TechnicallyLogical2009 2:56

[@anschelsc]

And, ironically, I really want to use it as a reaction gif

[@aeaeeaoiauea]

Also 11:45

[@haukuror8596]

Still come back to this gem every once in a while. One of Toms greatest works

[@TheEarthCreature]

I really always have loved the format of your videos. There's just something whimsical about how things blip onto the screen at your command and all of these little clever camera tricks like smacking your reviewer self Tim off the screen.

[@guest_14.1.19]

So basically, "No Copyright Infringement Intended" is the lawyer version of "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" right?

[@oxybrightdark8765]

Kirisaki Mortis yanno, some people are allergic to apples.

[@sanmoon3543]

Oxy Bright Dark and others are allergic to copyright

[@izxodii]

@@sanmoon3543 you are brilliant.

[@Ventorath]

I'd argue that while the phrase means nothing legally, it shows a willingness to comply if asked/told to take something down, which might be enough to keep some company from going ham against you (or KZbin). Provided they're not making money on it.

[@deebur8777]

Yes!!! Exactly

[@JFGaming.]

World said no then Tom said yes but didn’t show his bad side Edit: wow so many likes thx guys

[@user-up7nb6id1f]

edgy, cool

[@qu4rtz732]

that's tom scott for you

[@hilal_younus]

And even the fact that most people don’t even care/know anything about copyright and watches this at 3 am... (Yep, it’s me)

[@LuneWatcher]

It completely corrected what i thought fair use and copyright was like, I am on KZbin a lot which made me more invested in the video and its subject matter. The video was also presented very well and in an entertaining way, this probably had months of effort put into it.

[@piarateking8094]

why wouldnt you?

[@lorenwood890]

The basic logical conclusion that people don’t want to accept is that intellectual property is not a type of real property, it doesn’t fit its definition, there is no scarcity, if I replicate an ideia no idea is lost. There is though a difference between using someone’s idea, and fraud were you pretend it’s yours, that is wrong, but replicating existing ideas such as patents should not come with any legal or moral wrongdoings

[@spectroglobe8433]

Every time I’ve watched this I’ve thought to myself “That looks like Evan Edinger’s bedroom” and I finally checked and indeed it is

[@iquipthedip]

RIP TomReacts, you were ahead of your time.

[@shadetraveleroftheunknown4949]

What?

[@adamkerman475]

@@shadetraveleroftheunknown4949 bruh

[@luginess0]

True legend, swiped away by Tom Scott.

[@wastery9113]

@@luginess0 an example of how big channels are asses like tom scott

[@AydenRose04]

This scared me for a sec ngl, but then I realized what u meant

[@user-uo5st2re6m]

"Anyone should be able to make a James bond movie by now" "Cause they'd probably do a better job" Lmao

[@siphillis]

I seriously believe most fans have a better idea for a Bond plot than "Spectre".

[@CanuckMonkey13]

I've heard the same argument made for Batman and Superman movies... And I tend to agree!

[@kylenetherwood8734]

Same goes for Star Wars and Doctor Who

[@buttsbrown2442]

Fans actually care. Professional movie makers are just there to make a paycheck.

[@amazedalloy]

@@siphillis spectre was the exception, not the rule

[@jamesseanbondconnery1648]

the emotional fervor you feel regarding this topic is depicted in the editing, and i love it

[@ornstein714]

I know tom isn't a lawyer but seeing him in a suit does make me want him to defend me in court by providing the rock solid alibi that i was in the abandoned city of Pripyat

[@marcusturner27]

Tom just called the entire meme community the Internet's nerdy underbelly. I'll take it.

[@YouGotPwnd]

haha look at this epic memer

[@69mviewsnt]

We'll take it

[@upwaveflash8429]

that’s bullsh*t

[@prestonang8216]

*insert mike wasowski face

[@radjadawamindra697]

He's right, and we're proud of it.

[@gazelle1467]

* sees Jay Foreman * Me: "He's gonna scream" Jay Foreman: * screams *

[@DimNussens]

I was so pleased the moment I saw him, I knew what was coming and was immensely satisfied when I was right.

[@jaheppe2543]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@robdavidson4649]

what time stamp?

[@realhawaii5o]

Just at start... 2:55

[@mississippimoo8854]

@@robdavidson4649 3:00

[@FlareTTV]

This is why I think companies should be treated very differently than individual creators.

[@specialfred453]

Tom Scott: "... one of the world's biggest advertising fir-" KZbin: *plays an ad*

[@iuriepripa3171]

That literal switch from "fact" to "opinion" was smooth.

[@Phroggster]

I heard some facts after that switch was thrown; I want my money back

[@lokeshchandak3660]

@@Phroggster i'lll pay in like

[@nottsoserious]

Love how Tom has to add a criticism to all his examples to dodge copyright

[@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff]

I think it's more to drive the point home, to make the message of the video more clear.

[@jodagondrago8293]

*Still sets a copyright strike*

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

@@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff It's Both!

[@putriddivine]

Copyright is one of the best examples of laws being all about money and power, and not at all about justice lmao

[@MR-vj8dn]

But it’s all about justice. If I made the song, I sure want to make the money of it. Not give the money away.

[@MR-vj8dn]

@@MrJuiceHugo I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

@@NerdTheDemon ooooh, good point.

[@OperaceFlakpanzer]

This is good enough to be a proper documentary in some well known TV outlet.. good work Tom!

[@thesenate933]

This dude switches between looking 40 and 20 the entire time

[@odorikakeru]

The senate That’s kind of what life in your 30s is for most people. σ^_^;

[@milkyu_ix]

I’m beginning to think Tom is going to forever stay young

[@daltonweathersby1320]

He’s 35

[@macomputersuck]

He's 66

[@scyfrix]

@@athirkell Right. Plain observation of something mildly amusing is evidently a sin. How dare they.

[@darnwrong794]

Jay: aaaAAAAaaaaAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAAAA Glad to see my favorite youtuber got some screentime.

[@thedj9553]

Darn Wrong *screamtime

[@awesomefajitas]

Darn Wrong classic jay

[@jayj9278]

aaaAAAAaaaaAAAA

[@jamiesermon3881]

Jay

[@TNTErick]

I love how Jay is cooperated in here just to scream

[@dabiga2315]

Imagine looking out your window at work and seeing a guy walk by a dozen times angrily gesticulating and saying _"disPUTES"_

[@aadiseh1597]

Tom: hey Jay could you film a clip for a video about copyright? Jay: alright what do you need Tom: could you just wear a suit and tie while sitting at a laptop with a phone next to you and just go “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA” Jay: okay...

[@iLoveMalikToo]

300th like

[@aadiseh1597]

@@iLoveMalikToo I’m not even surprised this has 1 reply at 300

[@EcuadorWC]

MAP MEN MAP MEN MAP MEN men

[@mlgmilkplays]

MEN MAP MEN MAP MEN MAP MAP MAP MAP

[@blunderbus2695]

"Only if you can pretend to put a coin into a street light in return, though."

[@DavidBromage]

The single reason copyright was extended from 50 years to life + 70 years was Mickey Mouse was about to enter the public domain.

[@krdjmtc]

I think for IPs like Mickey Mouse, the copyright should continue as long as the owner continues to produce new content with it. This would keep Star Wars copyrighted while Back to the Future would eventually fall into the Public Domain.

[@CatCheshireThe]

@@krdjmtc Honestly this isn't even really necessary because Disney could very easily argue for trademark protection on the image of Mickey Mouse (given how his image is so fundamental to their branding) which already works like this. Trademarks are good as long as you're using them. Steamboat Willie would lapse into public domain but the image of Mickey Mouse would still be owned by Disney as long as Disney exists.

[@koboldcatgirl]

@@krdjmtc Why?

[@krdjmtc]

@@CatCheshireThe Oh okay, that makes sense.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I think Disney is trying to get around that with their steamboat willie introductions logos.

[@chrismerrell7957]

US CASE Act: "Hey, this guy wants to sue you because you stole his work." Guy who stole the work: "Nah, I'm good." US CASE Act: "Understandable, have a good day."

[@olabanas7658]

I'm really impressed by this video. Gotta admit- wasn't easy to watch at some moments (I dislike hearing about injustice that can't be easily corrected). But I especially liked your opinion and proposed solutions at the end.

[@alexhauptmann298]

An actual copyright dispute I had to send to KZbin once: "The Brandenburg Variation is a public domain work. This particular version I am streaming (as can be seen in the video) was rendered by myself from a MIDI file going into a vocal synthesizer, rendering the lines 'pee is stored in the balls'." I don't exactly think Sony has released anything involving that particular libretto.

[@lastfirst5863]

Damn them. I want that song.

[@damnbro_idc]

Sony doesn't want the truth of pee stored in balls to come out.

[@nuddle7726]

We must hear that song.

[@ChaosAT]

Du Cuxel

[@ModelLights]

Realize the title of this video is incorrect and misleading 'KZbin's Copyright System Isn't Broken. The World's Is.' BOTH are broken, there is no 'either / or' choice. That there are all kinds of problems in the real world copyright law and that it's been extended by corrupt special interests and legislators doesn't negate that what KZbin does is obviously poor and often incorrect.

[@1998tkhri]

Imagine just how many contracts Tom needed for this video.

[@no1DdC]

Tom's lawyers needed lawyers to sort this one out.

[@ailaG]

Yes, a KZbinr with less followers would probably be in trouble. (Or they'd ask KZbin for help and hope they say yes)

[@ten.seconds]

I think the contracts might be copyrighted..

[@Frungi]

@@ten.seconds Which is why we’ll never see them

[@GiatrosDys]

:thinking: Can contracts be a work of art or be modified to become a work of art?

[@mikepetersen2927]

The red jumpsuit, the gumball machine and the bowling pin! What a great homage to a great show!

[@feelswriter]

Wow. This must be your best yet! Fantastic video.

[@hollingharris659]

the problem at the root of all of this is that it costs money to defend yourself in court

[@howardbaxter2514]

A lot of money

[@lettuceman483]

imagine hating people trying to get into the mainstream so much in order to be considered innocent you need to be rich

[@moisedieucaryoteescholecte8439]

@@Halorocker101 Well... Mostly all evil

[@jackasshomey]

@@Halorocker101 money is just a system of trade, it's an inanimate object, the users of the system did such things with it... Conclusion: Human's are evil.

[@stairworse]

@@jackasshomey Someone gets it.

[@maxk4324]

Doctor: I cured cancer with a pill that also gives you the ability to fly and browse the internet in your dreams, how long do I own it? US Govt: That'll be good for about 20yrs. Better start thinking of your next gig. Disney: I drew a mouse driving a boat, what do I get? US Govt: You mad genius! You'll be milking this cow for the next century my friend. Welcome to the good life. Hey, wanna try this crazy new pill? Don't worry the patent just ran out on it.

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

Well I guess if you persistantly extend the copyright long enough, you get to keep your mouse.

[@superbob24]

A pill that did all of that would make so much money that you should have no problem living the rest of your life off of it.

[@Kian139]

You own the pill until you sell it. You don't own the idea of such a pill. Government has granted you the monopoly right, but the idea is not property.

[@1101]

@@superbob24 That's.. I don't think that is his point.

[@adventofnull]

Don't pills have that same patent issue in the US? They minimally change the formula to renew the patent, and they monopolize it.

[@Exdranas]

Hi Tom. I really love to see this form of video from you. I hope you do more like it after your well deserved break in a few months. Also after you briefly talked about games here: I would love to see you explore some video games. But perhaps that is too boring after all the interesting stuff you have been through.

[@ElliotShayle]

This is such a great video! I don't disagree with anything in it. I just think the biggest tragedy is that 3 years on, there's barely any talk or political action about actually reforming the system. We're still just patching it up as we go along...

[@emilye.9059]

I feel like if there were a school for becoming a KZbinr, this video would be apart of the syllabus.

[@stephencook2971]

I disagree, I think it could instead be a part of the syllabus.

[@theantimatter]

Courses have syllabi. Schools have curricula.

[@williamwontiam3166]

I mean, we should put together a class for it at some point.

[@elnico5623]

Quick question, would they ask for permission?

[@speedrhythmics1839]

769 likes lmao

[@zachbrown1630]

even as a fan of Tom’s content, i’m amazed at his ability to keep me interested in subjects like this for over 40 minutes straight. absolutely brilliant.

[@petrabanjarnahor229]

Except i stop at 16 minutes for a lunch.

[@youtubesuresuckscock]

Didn't last 5. This video was WAY longer than it needed to be.

[@CaveatFauxPas]

@@youtubesuresuckscock I thoroughly enjoyed the entire thing. I would feel sad about missing so much of this video if it was only 5 minutes long.

[@ADNAN0MNM]

Exactly. Around 22 minutes mark I realized it was not a regular 5-10 minute video and slightly surprised I was still interested.

[@aleigor450]

A video that takes Copyright seriously and discuss it in details? I hope it's 40+ mins long. It's one of the most complicated matter in our time and at the mercy of an old legal system.

[@eazyb9094]

I love how you tie everything together in your videos