Howard University Students Protest | The Joe Budden Podcast

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[@giaREandTravel]

Thanks Ice & Ish for that. It’s so true and more kids need to hear this. College is not the golden ticket, unless you have a solid plan.

[@Thisthat1234]

It literally is the golden ticket. Just don’t go and get a social studies degree. If you are going to get yourself in debt make sure it’s “good debt” aka a real degree. 70+ % of the U.S’s millionaires went to college.

[@ngaflipper2658]

@@Thisthat1234 Talk to Mike Rowe about that. College is as over-rated as it is overpriced. I know several tradesmen making 200k+ and they're able to dictate their schedule. College doesn't do that, skills do.

[@Thisthat1234]

@@ngaflipper2658 what’s the difference between any trade school / certification then to university? There is a demand for trade jobs, not sociology major. Don’t go to university and waste your money on bullshit. You are also not saying anything about apprenticeships, licenses, certification, tools cost that go into those trade jobs.

[@jordanperez3282]

It’s an essential part of the plan

[@GamingwithRenaissance]

Very true Gia Jones 🥰

[@thomasbarnes1983]

these are the conversations / direction that i love to see the jbp going. talk that shit fellas

[@NannoChii]

My father always told me if i wanted to go to college it better be for a STEM or medical oriented career. An expanding field or somewhere you’re always needed. Hes in IT himself and told me that those liberal arts degrees leave you with nothing most of the time.

[@howitzerdriver7687]

Ice & Ish giving that life masterclass. “Once you learn to use your hands. No one can take that from you.”

[@kiatheceo]

I never went to college and make a great living. Thank God! But I pushed my daughter to get all A’s so she can go to school for free because I damn sure didn’t have a college fund nor did I want to waste money on school knowing I never went. She thanks me now because most of her friends are all in debt over college…and with no guarantee of a high paying salary. And she got accepted into some of the best school in Florida. Parents, push your kids to do well so you don’t have to waste money on college. The only reason I told her to get the degree is so no one has that reason to tell her no if she decides to work for someone that requires that.

[@GamingwithRenaissance]

❤️

[@kiatheceo]

@Male Sensitivity thank you! Best to you as well.

[@HimizwhoIbe]

HU has had these issues since the 80s

[@imani6938]

Exactly, nothing new.

[@leroyhill7117]

What!? They need to sue that’s crazy

[@nellychild]

I went to Bowie State which is an HBCU. it’s only 20 minutes from Howard. My tuition was only $9,500 a year… Thank God!

[@Keyss2Compton]

Where’s the money?!?!? Someone at Howard has some explaining to do

[@queenofbuttercream]

I've heard dem dorms looked like Cabrini Green🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelstills7687]

I use to work on the campus in the Howard dorms at the front desk it definitely had a project feel to it... We use to give the students sticky mouse traps and tell them thug it out. Its sad because it's literally the worse HBCU campus I ever been on.

[@Bleek17Six]

@@michaelstills7687 Dam that's fucked up

[@CEE80]

Two words: Trade School. I wish we had HBTS that would offer good trades to learn to where you know with your training you’d be pretty much guaranteed to have a good paying job. To put things into perspective: I went to JOB CORPS, JOB CORPS and took Heavy Equipment Operator as my trade and if I wasn’t a dumb ass back then, right now I could be making about 35-40$ an hour operating Heavy Equipment. I believe they pushed blacks into getting a College Education and not trades because there’s more money in trades; Blacks used to prevalent in waste management and when they started making money they stopped that real quick. with college comes student loans and debt etc etc etc.

[@JenkinsOwen]

This myth gets repeated often and if we’re serious about helping black people it has to stop. Of course trades are good, but there just isn’t a single shred of economic evidence to support the idea that colleges like debt and teach no skills. The vast majority of people who graduate go in to professional areas such as teaching, law, medicine, banking etc. Of course the very best trade jobs pay more than the worst professional jobs, but on average you’ll make more money by getting a liberal arts degree and your teaching qualifications than you will on a construction site, and that’s just a cold fact. Of course if college is not for you then get a trade, and private colleges will try to flog you shit you don’t need, but they mostly do that through unnecessary NCAA programs and unnecessary accommodation size, not through their professional programs. College has always been and through all of the crap of the US education system still remains a very realiable way to increase your average income across an entire lifetime.

[@Atip4eva]

I like this conversation. I tried to stay away but u hooked 🪝me back in with some real talk. ✊

[@MrBIGJ79]

The trades are where it's at right now tbh. Even cdl jobs are bringing in good money.

[@JazzJune7]

My partner was a Howard student and tbh the shit ain’t what everyone says it is. People scared as fuck to call out HoWArD

[@imani6938]

Yes! Absolutely!

[@trebz93]

The biggest issue is people thinking they need to go to 4 year school off the gate. If I could go back I'd do 2 years of technical then would've got my bachelors. Would saved hella money that way not even including staying on campus they require you to buy a meal plan that's like 12k by itself for room and meals. Plus the first 2 years are basic requirements that you can pay cheaper at a community college . It's about the money in the end

[@KittenChaos90]

I did the same thing. I only have a little bit of debt because I commuted from home and went to a local university. I just have to find a better job but in reality, I got pretty lucky compared to others.

[@quansuggs7951]

I graduated HS in 2010 & the pressure of family put a lot of kids in a tight situation. I stopped a year after (in 2011) & just been working ever since. Until August of 2021, I now know exactly what I want to do. I feel less stressed about school and more eager.

[@BlackTyeChi]

And what's crazy is they can afford to give people FREE TUITION for YEARS! Hundreds of years! Just look at their endowement numbers! ESPECIALLY the ivy league schools.

[@sophiam2312]

When you’re Asian or south Asian (Indian/ Bengali) and have parents who can barely speak English but expect you to get straight 100s and you’re a disgrace to your family if you don’t go to college. We’re also expected to graduate ASAP and start providing for the fam. Yet, since they’re not knowledgeable themselves they limit you to 3 careers: being a nurse (which is literally one of the hardest jobs considering you studied that hard to clean old peoples feces and work crazy shifts with no excuse), a doctor (good luck with 8 years of 0 sleep) or something in the IT field. Nothing wrong with the last one except that nowadays there are literal 6-8 month IT crash courses that land you the same jobs as your 4 year degree does. And why be a nurse when you can do 2 years for radiology and make way more bucks doing way less labor. There’s so many other easier money producing careers we don’t even know of much less go for because we out here fulfilling our parents dreams.

[@30atwill91]

I don’t understand how people like Rory and Mal over Ish and Ice, they’re way more entertaining and insightful, and Ice is way more in tune with the music that the younger generation actually enjoys and doesn’t act clueless and ignorant to what’s cool and poppin and actually appreciates the younger rappers and the new sound/wave

[@Stefm.4565]

I don’t get it either.

[@josiahgreen242]

As a former college admissions director, I have been having these conversations for years. More of these conversations need to happen with our young people starting at the junior high level so young people can feel that they have options.

[@StopScrollingStupid]

My son is a junior there and it’s a fu&$ing dirty mess💩💩💩💩That whole entire part of DC is disgusting…rats EVERYWHERE!!!!

[@h.Freeman]

What we need is more tradesman....there is nothing wrong with plumbers electricians Carpenters etc...plus you can open your own construction company

[@Smartkid2387]

I appreciate this discussion and I agree that learning a trade is a great option however I think the statistics show that a college education does pay off. Also I feel like with Black people it’s hard to compete in the workforce in general so imagine doing so without a college degree. To Ice’s point there needs to be more conversation on maybe choosing lucrative fields to begin and then eventually, after being stable financially, then maybe pursing a field of interest, assuming it doesn’t earn a high income.

[@brianm5753]

I did Economics because it sounded cool. After graduation I couldn't get a job. So I had to study accounting. Accounting got me a job. If I had done some mechanical or electrical engineering I could have gotten a chance to get a job right after graduation or be self-employed

[@amill5548]

Fam I’m in the exact same situation. If I would’ve known that now I definitely would’ve just got an accounting degree.

[@dopedialogueshow14]

I don’t want to let you finish 😂😂😂😂 4:55

[@tammystranger9512]

I told my daughters I'll be happy for them just graduate high school they did now one is 20 and goes to ecsu and my 23 yr old said she didnt want to go to college and now shes working and been at her job for 3 yrs

[@PaullHutchh]

college is only worth it if you are guaranteed a career afterwards. Doctor, Lawyer , or Engineer.

[@nerdlarge4691]

Higher Education like many industries in Late Capitalist 21st Century America has become a way to transfer wealth from the working classes(barely any true middle class anymore) to Billion Dollar Institutions(Universities/Colleges/Banks). I recommend unless you are pursuing a degree that provides a clear pathway to a high earning career(STEAM, LAW, etc.) go to a Community College first to figure out what you want to do as a career or go to a trade school. Being in 5-6 figure debt in your early 20s when low paying entry jobs as your only option is not the move.

[@Kaustic410]

This was a dope segment right here ! I got hella ppl I know who’s in over their head with Student loans ! It’s actually crazy to think a parent can throw a quarter million away sending their kid to school for a Degree that doesn’t even guarantee a well paying career .. With all the knowledge that we have available to us now i would rather my parents giving me that 200 Grand to start my business !! or even stocks n crypto and flipped it !!!

[@jenisejackson5408]

Actually it is over 40K a year to live on campus and tuition for HU.

[@2centsfreelancer]

Ice and Ish right, especially the trade school. I graduated from trade school and walked out making $98k a year. Everyone in my class had jobs lined up before we even walked across the stage.

[@kdt811]

its also is a board of trustee / financial mismanagement situation

[@ReppinCTandATL]

In the south if you don’t have a degree your job options are limited. You will get stuck with some entry level type shit.

[@Each1Teach1BuildMany]

We had a silent protest in all black at my alma mater during my freshman year. We crashed the board of trustees meeting. Campus looks great and the dorms are new. Back then, it was terrible. TERRIBLE!!! I think we made the news. It was my first time in any type of protest. Definitely not the last!

[@travino]

What were the Howard janitors doing when the students left, after mandatory quarantine?

[@miraclemoore4651]

amen ! i attend essex county college even though it is a 2 year college and i am majoring in general science to become a nurse and the tuition is high and its a lot . i am a first generation student and i am a black young woman it is a lot of high standards to that already to attend college and that high tuition is not making it any better . so i am just praying and praying because my mama and pops never attended college or a university so they're relying on me graduate and its a lot but i got it . these tuition and pell grants and all isn't no joke

[@dlayton5659]

This is my first time seeing this show and this was a great topic. I was part of the generation of you either work or go to college. I worked in STEM for 25 years but I just received my degree this year. Because of that I made sure that I took the college tours with my kids and helped them to pick a career that would be beneficial to them. I am very disheartening because my child currently attends Howard as a freshman and STEM major. I am so embarrassed of this whole situation. She had excellent options for colleges to attend but she wanted to really attend Howard. What a slap in the face to both students and parents who supported this university. Really thinking of making this her last year. That president needs to be fired and the administrative staff that supported this nonsense all these years.

[@604overlook]

For the record, Howard is $48K per year.

[@imani6938]

Exactly! Hasn't been $30 Gs in 10 years

[@GeneSquires]

Niggas start taking that real and Joe was like aye… cut that out. Haha

[@GeneSquires]

They literally said we’re going to call them out as I called him out haha

[@SonofSamhein]

My high school son (senior) and daughter (junior) are presently going through the college visits; and, my daughter was JUST asking me about Howard University, as a school. She, and her brother: ...SHELTERED. I: ...RANNNNNNN AROUND THESE STREETS of The DMV, even when I was a young, wild pup. That is...NOT an option, for my daughter OR son; although, I DID inform them both, that if you choose the correct major, and connect with the right people: ...It is a VIABLE resource, as well. Without, full knowledge of what you are stepping INTO...??? Could BE problematic, for a new kid from high school. THAT area can be tough, for a GROWN GODDAMN MAN, or woman...TRUST*lolz*.......................................................

[@devontei7671]

Shit that’s not just Howard that is in Georgia colleges too

[@nigelcollier6256]

Joe hates college so much, but I bet his accountant got a degree 😂

[@jadwisiastrickland3781]

🙌🏾college isn’t for everyone/ the career counselors in high school in my opinion are not giving out all the info on where the jobs are to live comfortably and be financially stable.

[@dchan9190]

Wow had no Idea Arsonal was his bro.....crazy!!!

[@parkerbrother12]

Bruh i went to an HBCU...South Carolina State if you aint stay at Bethea you aint real lol

[@jacobbridges9075]

Damn the view count really got trashed after Rory and Mal left

[@akiralove9197]

34,224 to go there now

[@Christian9TNAT3]

Those buildings are old as fuck

[@kfiscal01]

College is not for everyone. There are options, you need to evaluate yourself and figure it out.

[@mwhite9500]

Millions of dollars were donated to Howard in the last 2-3 years. Nothing seems to change. $40 million was donated MacKenzie Scott in 2020. Another 5 million recently donated this year. This is sad. Black people we have to do better by our students. We encourage kids to go to HBCU but not giving comparable living conditions, food etc as PWI. We have to hold the school accountable for allocating the donor money properly. Better housing etc.

[@trustmewereallydontcare4553]

Fun fact: Almost all of the top 10 most expensive high schools in America cost more then all the university’a they mentions The top 5 most expensive high schools in the world cost over $100,000/yr

[@gogadget5212]

I was saying this 15 years ago. But who am I 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@food4j]

It’s simple, go to college and choose a skill to learn. Either medical, technology, government, or business. That’s it. Do not go to college for arts or any other field where the world does not need many people of that skill. It’s really that simple. You choose a field that is in high demand.

[@jamesburroughs43]

$48,000 per year

[@imani6938]

It's 45,000 a year at Howard University

[@hakimboxing6672]

Go to a state school with a engineering, science, or medical degree. You’ll make good money regardless of the school you went to. Also, try out community college before 4 year.

[@copaseticarts9067]

any state school in state you spending 10k a year triple that out of state

[@greatdaylor]

Ish be spitting so many facts

[@jessicabenton7762]

people wanna be doctors and lawyers not everybody wants to work blue collar. they know it’s an option

[@omargraham8591]

I have one them expensive behind degrees and agree 100% its an option and all and provides certain opportunities, but acting like its the only way…it is not

[@bigfootsdickgoesfirst8423]

Ish and Ice need to dip.

[@jonnyblaze4195]

Yo god is saying we need Slaughterhouse back 🙏

[@kdt811]

my tuition 45

[@alexm2930]

Well each year students leave it worst than before. So partly the students need an effort to keep the place clean. I’ve seen dorm go to shit as people stop giving a fuck, it becomes a disease.

[@natereyes5297]

Try 48k

[@cece82gemini27]

College is not always worth it and you're not guaranteed a job. Unless you're trying to become a lawyer, doctor or engineer of some sort, I say think twice. Trade schools are better. Worked for me and I'm happy in my career.

[@DB-115]

You guys steered off topic. I was anticipating HBCU hate lol

[@50CeNTTTTT]

💭I just love it when I get the notification that says "Someone has liked your comment" or "Someone has subscribed!"+

[@nonbeliever4593]

Howard University Been Some Shit

[@steffondotart7424]

Art school 40 grand

[@kjvstreetpreacher]

I can not be the only one here who remembers a $250 million dollar yearly contribution from the US tax payers to the HBCU from Trump. What happened to that money? Perhaps it would be character building to clean up your own dorms. I have a contracting company, and will be glad to show you the fine technique of scrubbing walls, patching sheet rock and painting. Bugs go where the food is. Some bug spray and a spotless environment, SHAZAM!! No more bugs. Show some initiative.

[@hirograveyard8236]

😂

[@marcglenn]

The importance of education goes beyond just how much you’ll make. This world doesn’t need any more ignorant rich people. People who have influence but can’t even tell the three branches of the government. With that said, pls put a sock in Joe’s mouth, in this world you either have talent(joe is part of the .5 percent humans with talent enough to make them rich), or you need certifications. Education gives you that certification.

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