Hoyt VTM 34 vs Mathews Phase 4

[@conservativeway]

Ty is always so humble and honest! Love that about him!

[@randyferreira5265]

I think you made the right choice!The new Mathews 8 limbs scares me a little and the price of the stablizer for them is insane.The Hoyt has a better draw cycle for the speed it is putting out imo.

[@Tyjjordan]

The draw cycle for me was huge. My VTM feels like a 60 pound bow next to the Mathew’s, so that’s a big plus in my book

[@Tyjjordan]

The draw cycle for me was huge. My VTM feels like a 60 pound bow next to the Mathew’s, so that’s a big plus in my book

[@rainsong7327]

@@Tyjjordan Hey Ty Bowtech SS 34 vs Hoyt VTM 34 which is easier to pull back ?

[@Tyjjordan]

@@rainsong7327 sorry for the delayed response, so far the hoyt has been the easiest to pull in my opinion

[@rickmoss7040]

I have the V3x 33, and the Ventum Pro 33. I love them both. The draw cycle and shooting experience is better on the Hoyt. The Mathew’s is a touch quieter, however my Hoyt is deader at the shot. The grip, is no comparison better on the Hoyt, even with the side plates on my V3x…the Hoyt takes that check. The over all system, the Mathew’s wins. A lot of people hate on the switch weight mods, but I LOVE the fact that I can change draw weight with just mods, and have a couple sets for my V3x. Mathew’s customer service, and the fact that you can get any part, for any bow they have EVER made, is absolutely awesome. Hoyt bows are bullet proof, you almost can’t break them, how ever, I am very impressed with my V3x, and think the build quality is phenomenal…I don’t think you could break that bow either…unless you do something very stupid. They both check so many boxes, and have almost zero negatives….honestly. I think that either brand you go with, is going to do everything you want it to, and the quality is amazing. I may be in the minority….but I go back and forth which bow is my favorite…it is usually one I am shooting at the time, lol. These are hands down the best two manufacturers on the planet right now, and I don’t think anyone else is quite to these two companies’ levels. Elite and Prime are awesome, but I think Hoyt and Mathew’s are making the best bows on the market…and I think most people will be happy with either brand, no matter what choice you make. My suggestion….but both!

[@DGmDhdamarym]

I shot both of these bows for like 5 hours before I chose the phase 4 this time around. The more i shoot it at home the more i am satisfied that it was money well spent. that vtm was rock solid too i liked its draw cycle alot but it was a little heavier then i wanted it to be

[@zacchurch502]

Great comparison video. I’m the same way you are, both are great bows, no reason to shit talk one or the other. The bridge lock system is what I was such a big fan of and I went with the V3X over Hoyt. I didn’t like the new Hoyt sight mount. The bow I came from was a Hoyt though. So I’m a fan of both brands also.

[@Tyjjordan]

Thank you brother! The bridge lock system is way cool. I really like what Mathew’s did with it!

[@anthonylubic]

I’m a Hoyt guy…I love my ultra rx7 👌🏻

[@Tyjjordan]

the Rx7 is next level!!!

[@juniorimac]

I went from a v3 31 to a v3x 29 to a rx7 and i wish I would have just kept the v3 31.

[@harveygalloway3965]

I have a Phase 4 with the 8-inch bar on the front. I will change that to a side bar later in the year. I personally think these stabilizers are ugly, but I think they serve amazing purposes. They are not solid which aids in two ways: 1) they are difficult to see from the side, and 2) they help with the wind when there is a cross wind while shooting. I don't know if this was intentional or if they are byproducts of design. I live in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia and the wind has been impressive the days I have been able to shoot. I have noticed the difference between my Phase 4 and my V3 27.

[@Tyjjordan]

That’s an interesting thought and a good point. I love what Mathew’s did with the stabilizers. It’s so unique and I actually think they look pretty sharp. So you’re noticing a difference with the wind?

[@harveygalloway3965]

@@Tyjjordan yes…. I have noticed my 29 is easier to hold in a cross wind…

[@rainsong7327]

Great video! Ty I'm 57 with a little shoulder issue. What Hoyt you think would be easier for me to pull back the VTM 31 or 34. shooting both at 60#.Thank you

[@robertmashburn3900]

Shot them both and Love the Hoyt. The draw cycle is so much smoother and looks great.

[@Tyjjordan]

I agree, I love the draw cycle

[@Luke-ri1ui]

Man this was the best review I’ve seen you almost can’t choose anymore all these bows are so good I just want all of them😂 I just bought the RX-7 ultra and I want the bourbon vtm 34 but can’t find one you have my bow setup I’m jealous lol

[@Tyjjordan]

Appreciate the support bro! I almost went with the rx7 as well, it is such a beast! And dude I feel the same about you having an rx7!! What color are you rocking on it??

[@Luke-ri1ui]

@@Tyjjordan I’m rockin the all blacked out took forever for me to find it had to drive over 2 hours to get it I been wanting a bourbon VTM 34 but can’t find it lol

[@thomothompson1344]

Hey man. I thought I recognised you at tnt archery. I was there testing the lift and Rx8 Keep up the good videos.

[@Carywilliford]

I’ve been looking at both for a while. I pull 65# and the VTM pulls better. The Matthews is just way to much $, by time you put those expensive stabilizers on it you could buy a RX-7. Just my opinion. I’m about 99% sure I’m going with the VTM. Great videos. And yes you blinked, LOL, Thanks again.

[@brockpeck7073]

You can put whatever stabilizers on the Mathews if you bought one. It still has the tapped holes for screw in stabilizers.

[@Tyjjordan]

This was my exact thought process Cary, spot on what I thought in my mind when buying a new bow!

[@Tyjjordan]

Thank you for the support as well!

[@Gibsonlife573]

Man u all need to take a look at the ss34 by bowtech great bow

[@muleybuckco]

@@Gibsonlife573 no thanks, blowtech has had way to many limb problems for too many years now, not a fan boy of any brand, but definitely no way any bowtech can come close to Hoyt or mathews, hell I'd take a pse over bowtech, especially if your going carbon, the new bowtech carbon sucks, shot it 3x and handed it right back with wtf is wrong with it look..

[@terryd8692]

I like the look of the Hoyt over the Mathews. Did you put them both through the chrono to see if the lighter feeling Hoyt is shooting at the same speed as the Mathews?

[@Tyjjordan]

I was planning on doing a separate video on that this week! So I will find out for you, I’ve had my bow on the chrono, 476 grain arrow and I’m sitting around 300

[@Tyjjordan]

Have not shot the Mathew’s threw the chrono yet, I imagine it’s going to be very similar

[@Gibsonlife573]

Man I've been telling every body about that ss34 alot of ppl or seeing fast speeds on the performance setting

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

V3, v3x, rx4 turbo, twin turbo. They did a good job on the hbx cam. I enjoy shooting both brands.

[@Tyjjordan]

Likewise!

[@shadmeacham3164]

Where you at in utah? I'm also from utah and I'm curious about the shop you are at.

[@bricedudley4612]

Bro I have your answer, justifying buying both. Mathew’s doesn’t make a light, carbon bow, so buy the Hoyt in carbon fully built, for winter or backpack hunts and the phase 4 fully built for other. Until Mathew’s comes out with carbon.

[@Tyjjordan]

Dude….. I wish you never typed that out 🤣 that’s the perfect scenario tbh. Hoyt as the hunting bow, build out the Mathew’s as my target shooter… hmm got me thinking now👀🤣

[@terryd8692]

@@Tyjjordan Or get a longbow for sh*ts and giggles

[@JosephAho_Archery]

Would your opinion be any different now that these bows are a year old? I think they are around the same price used.

[@Tyjjordan]

It would probably be the same! I have more time with the vtm in my hands so that would be my choice, but I do think the Mathew’s is a quieter and more dead bow in hand!

[@OutdoorMarlin35]

Can’t wait to see more videos man! Keep it up!

[@Tyjjordan]

Thanks John! Really appreciate the support!

[@brucehillbillybarthalow3786]

Great Video man.I do like the draw cycle of the Hoyt.I've seen other reviews and the Mathews draw cycle was a little rougher dropping into the valley. A tip for working out,get some milled flaxseed,as it has 18 amino acids.great for pre and post work outs

[@Tyjjordan]

Thanks brother, appreciate the kind words! Greatly appreciate that tip, will definitely give it a try 👌

[@russelllangworthy8855]

@@Tyjjordan Be careful with the Amino Acids. When I was into working out seriously, I was taking all kinds of supplements and the Amino Acids changed my personality. Made me very aggressive.

[@dujuangardner3198]

This is my present struggle. 😢 I bought my first bow used a Hoyt powermax about 3months ago and now I want a new bow I’m really not brand specific either and I’ve shot both bows but for me the decision boiled down to the efficiency of the bow to my 27.5 inch draw length and a 65# draw weight. So for me the efficiency of the Hoyt out ways the sexiness of the Mathew’s but I still want both 🤣

[@johnmadrigal7217]

I really appreciate the honesty.too many team players opinions out there.

[@mojoe8005]

👏 I can tell u want Mathew’s I’m same way I bought 2 pse sold them a month later for phase 4 never shot a Hoyt though

[@Tyjjordan]

I do want a Mathew’s! Perfect world would be owning both lol! But I’m 100% happy with the hoyt, it’s a hard decision because both of them are such killer bows

[@JustYourRegularJoe]

I just recently got back into archery. I went to my local pro shop which only sells Hoyt and Mathews. After some research I wanted to at least feel and shoot the bear execute. My pro-shop doesn’t even carry bear, which to me is dumb when you’re a “everything archery pro shop” none the less I went there wanting the Phase 4. I shot both the Phase 4 33’ and 29’. I also shot the the VTM 34’ and 31’. I may be bias as I said I went in wanting the Phase 4, I didn’t really notice a difference. Both bows draw was smooth, both shots were quite, and they both felt great in the hand. They are the top of the line, either bow/company is the right choice. I went with Mathews because I always shot and loved Mathews, but the VTM is one hell of a good bow also.

[@jeffeager9779]

I've been shooting traditional for many yrs and haven't shot compound for around 12 yrs, so these new bowsare something! I ended up with the mathews phase 4. I didn't notice a harsh draw with the mathews, felt smooth to me. But I guess comeing from traditional with no letoff it would feel smooth! Lol they both hoyt and mathews are quieter then bows use to be 12 yrs ago. Lol the hoyt I shot vtm was right there with the mathews though hard decisions for sure.

[@SpringRiverArchery]

I’m a Mathew’s guy but that vtm looks good man

[@Tyjjordan]

They are both so much fun to shoot! I think both companies did a really good job this year

[@SpringRiverArchery]

@@Tyjjordan if it wasn’t so expensive, I would own both.

[@Tyjjordan]

@@SpringRiverArchery dude I feel the exact same 🤣🤣🤣

[@connor_bohnts]

The honesty is super cool. I personally like mathews for the fact of the mod system. hoyt’s are awesome and if i were to get a carbon bow would be dang hard to decide between the levitate and the rx7

[@Tyjjordan]

I’m a big fan of the Mathew’s, they did such a good job! Thanks for watching brother, appreciate the support 💪

[@billmcstay194]

I literally have a new odd looking shoulder muscle growing from 3 months of shooting a V3X 29 at #70. Those shooting stix look way better than engage limb legs, which I had to use a zip tie to keep locked on. The grip on the Mathews should have been changed for the Phase 4. I was embarrassed that my hunting bow was worth more than my car. Mathews said "hold my beer and watch this" and just like that came up with a hunting bow stabilizer system that costs more than my car.

[@Tyjjordan]

🤣🤣 love this comment. Although the stabilizers are pricey they are pretty bad o in my opinion, but I personally couldn’t justify the extra 700. Will you be upgrading or sticking with your current setup??

[@rickmoss7040]

I have a V3x, and a Ventum Pro 33, and the engage legs are better. The go stick are cool, except one fatal flaw…you can bits the ground, which is a HUGE no go for me. I use a rubber strap on my engage legs, so when they are on the bow, the strap pulls the legs in toward each other so I don’t knock them off while hunting. Legs are better in my opinion. Love both bows by the way, so I am not hating on either. I just think the legs are better than the sticks.

[@White_devil1980]

From the different reviews of the Hoyt and the mathews bows I think the best selling point for me is the Hoyt with the easy change mods and you don’t have to take out the whole cam to change the mods like the mathews bows

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

Tou don't take the cam out on a mathews either. Just a module, but you can't adjust it without a different module.

[@fernandorivera2730]

I would say hoyt! Even though it was tough for me to choose. But it's cheaper to build the hoyt, and you're not jeopardizing anything. On the other hand, if you don't run matthews products in phase 4, you are jeopardizing performance, so that's my take.

[@kennycoye3907]

I just saw a short, and curious, what release you use! Thumb trigger it looked like! Thanks

[@Tyjjordan]

The thumb button one I use is a Truball Stalk’r!

[@Tyjjordan]

My last 2 shorts have been a hinge by ultra view! But everything before has been the Truball!

[@kennycoye3907]

@@Tyjjordan I just ordered one! Have to try it out! 😃

[@Not_Andrew_Huberman]

Put a few rounds through the new lift, it's amazing! Then put some through the new alpha x, rx8, rx7, vtm, or ventum pro. They feel so much lighter

[@brandonwhitlatch379]

Had the same experience and decision last year when. I got my ventum 30. But now I want the 34 ATA

[@KD-mm3li]

The colors on the vtm look primo 🤌

[@kevinkinney8769]

In the market for new bow. Shot both bows and the vtm is definitely smoother draw cycle. Both are dead in the hand. Then I Shot the new bowtechs and the draw cycle blows both of these away. Always had a hoyt and now I'm second guessing myself.

[@6saturdaysaweek]

Agree with you on the bow, not so much the color. Never drank any bourbon that looks like that. Looks more like butterscotch. The VTM is a great bow, I love the draw cycle, and that is really we’re it beats out the Mathews and most other major brands.

[@rickmoss7040]

It looks WAY better in person, looks ugly in pics and videos, but in person the Bourbon is freakin sweet looking. I have a V3x 33 and a Ventum Pro 33….and I like the Bourbon so much, I kinda wanna buy another Hoyt, just to have that color….

[@6saturdaysaweek]

@@rickmoss7040 seen it, held it, shot it. Great bow, not so much on the color.

[@Tyjjordan]

Definitely more like a butterscotch! Draw cycle is my favorite for sure!

[@Tyjjordan]

@@rickmoss7040 definitely pops in person!

[@johnmadrigal7217]

I would pick the hoyt....I already own a mathews.,mathews forever!!!!

[@Gibsonlife573]

I'm telling you people should try other draw Cycles on the other bows they're both amazing all those these days are pretty damn amazing but I want something that I can adjust and put lower let off on tour I'm holding more weight so there is not more influence on the string at pool draw cuz one that has eighty to ninety percent you barely touch that string Josh bowmar several people have done videos on that showing how easy the string is influence that's why Target archers shoot low let off

[@Not_Andrew_Huberman]

Me personally I could care less how bows draw these days or how dead in hand they are. They're so good now it doesn't matter. What makes the difference, and why I sold my phase 4, is after I settle in with the phase 4, there's been too many times where I come out of the valley right before making the shot. I shoot the hour better, and you can only discern that after putting a couple 100 rounds through both

[@Tyjjordan]

100 percent true! its hard to make a choice in the shop when you really never have the opportunity to stretch out with the bow.

[@tylerwest337]

I shoot a ventum pro and my uncle owns a Phase 4. Mathews is quieter and shoots great but has a harsh back end on the draw i dont like. Ventum isnt as quiet but doesnt vibrate, and has a nice and smooth draw cycle. I prefer draw cycle over being quiet.

[@Tyjjordan]

I’m a huge fan of the draw cycle as well!

[@rickmoss7040]

A lot of people seem to miss the fact that you don’t HAVE TO buy, or use the integrated stabilizers on the Mathews, you CAN use traditional stabs. I think $720+ for a full stab set up is a spit in the face to Mathew’s customers. You can NOT convince me that they couldn’t sell these for half the asking price and still make a good profit. They are relying on the blind and rabid fanboys to buy anything that says Mathew’s on it…for ANY price they ask…and this is proof of it. I am a CNC machinist, so I understand the R&D and manufacturing cost thing, so don’t try that as an ‘excuse’ for these prices….they are absolutely OVER PRICED….and the argument of, ‘well you can adjust them in or out, so you can blah blah blah’. You usually KNOW what length bars you like, and don’t change that back and forth. And for the price difference, you could buy several bars and STILL be cheaper than the Mathew’s stabs. I have a V3x and a Ventum Pro, and love both brands….but the price on these stabilizers is a spit in the face to Mathew’s customers, period. And I can afford it, so I am not just a guy who can’t afford it, whining about it either, these are simply over priced by a high margin.

[@Tyjjordan]

Agree with everything you said here 💯

[@chestnuts4444]

What bow shop is that at??

[@maverickg9296]

U should try the UV button it’s great!

[@Tyjjordan]

I've been wanting to try one! I have a UV hinge and i love it so far!

[@maverickg9296]

@@Tyjjordan did you get any deer this year?

[@JH-hx2cl]

The VTM is way faster than P4 and doesnt have near the drop off on FPS with arrow weight increasing. I'd probably go with the VTM over all. I really wish there was a hybrid of the two. VTM with Switchweight Mods, four limb with rubber in between, and the bridgelock system with out the dougebag prices that mathews seems to enjoy doing. I hoyt ...i mean hope someone makes that lol😂

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

all you guys are asking for this review, non stop request, lol! it is not against the rules to own them both, I bought all of the brands, if you have the $ buy a another bow. The color is really cool on the hoyt.

[@Tyjjordan]

Both bows are amazing, hard choice haha, but I agree, I’m not against owning two different brands 😎

[@MrJimmyWiles]

What killed the Mathew’s for me is the draw stops. Metal with felt on it vs hoyts more robust draw stop

[@uncleremus5046]

Lightly curl your fingers back on your grip & @ release you’ll stop grabbing the bow with torque. Watch every shot @ release you death grab the bow.

[@Tyjjordan]

Thanks for the advice brother 💪

[@uncleremus5046]

@@Tyjjordan sure thing easy fix take about a week

[@mrt3206]

If you’re reading what the companies have for published speeds then you’re already wrong on the speeds because they are never that normally 10+ fps off🤷‍♂️ but it is a fact the VTM has a smoother draw and that’s because it doesn’t have a big valley it drops into… when making “big purchases” I have always lived by one quote. “Buy once and cry once” doesn’t really apply for people who upgrade bows like they do phones tho🤣 I would justify the price of the stabilizers if it was going to be a life long bow but you can still put a regular stabilizer on the bow and you aren’t required to use their bridge lock system it’s just a convenience IMO

[@justinadams159]

Just like last year the hoyt just had a better draw cycle

[@Tyjjordan]

It feels unreal!

[@justinadams159]

I shoot the rx7 and those cams are so good across so many bows. Awesome engineering.

[@palmerboyd1824]

where can a guy get bourbon colored stabilizers?

[@rmarc11]

Mathews draw cycle is so bad to me. Hoyts draw on the vtm is muchhh better

[@YoungboiG19]

Do you post anymore?

[@Tyjjordan]

Yeah I post shorts everyday

[@josephmarino6985]

What is your grouping size at long distance with the VTM?

[@jasonnester9514]

I can’t afford either so lol

[@taylormarcel]

Pull them both back on draw weight scale and see if they’re both really pulling 70 pounds

[@Tyjjordan]

They were

[@Tyjjordan]

The vtm was actually pulling 71

[@taylormarcel]

@@Tyjjordan cool! That’s definitely a point for Hoyt

[@Tyjjordan]

@@taylormarcel for sure, I’m planning on going with a Mathew’s this year excited to put some reps in with one!

[@taylormarcel]

@@Tyjjordan sweet! I have a v3x… will probably upgrade next year!

[@Homeyomey]

Perfect comparison video! These are the top two bows I came up with in my research. I'm completely new at archery. I think I'm still going with Hoyt. The sight on the Matthew's looked different... what was it like compared to yours? Also I made my first shorts video on a couple large fixed blades I bought! Check it out

[@Tyjjordan]

I will definitely check it out! The sight on the mathews was different, it was an older sight. The shop that i go to doesn't put top of the line accessories on demo bows! They want to keep it as simple as possible for new shooter, and there is also less setup time involved!

[@Homeyomey]

@Ty Jordan Thanks. I'll check out ur video on the purple one

[@Gibsonlife573]

I would look at the ss34 by bowtech its top notch

[@Charlievac9]

Don’t use a whisker biscuit on a $1500 bow

[@Tyjjordan]

It’s a demo bow… there’s no point in throwing a nice rest on it if it’s going to be sold and changed out.

[@mikestackz854]

And why not? It’s perfectly fine

[@moualor6436]

334 ata…that’s a huge axel to axel…lol

[@dewetrobertson1752]

Vtm is better imo

[@Brockytop]

Your draw length is too short!

[@bobbykidder9050]

No it’s not corner of the mouth tip of the nose is the standard any further back you’re over drawing.

[@Pakman13]

Mathews every time…

[@malcolmmchose9680]

There's really zero difference. Both companies are the leading archery manufacturers ON THE PLANET. That being said I go Mathews every time