HP ProDesk G1 Small Form Factor Upgrade Guide

[@JeffWaynee]

This is exactly the type of pre-built I like. Very understated utilitarian design.

[@netiturtle]

If they only dropped making proprietary sizes for everything they can produce internally or order cheaply. But both Dell and HP are hellbent on making custom motherboards, PSU's, cooling, leaving much more of their units ending as landfills once corporations replace these. And for no apparent reason, they keep some of the standard measures but change PSU headers or make them too long in one dimension, use slightly off-standard motherboards size even if mini ITX or mATX would fit perfectly

[@itstheweirdguy]

@@netiturtle 0.01% of people know what you're talking about. That's why.

[@spvvk3621]

@@netiturtle Agree +1000. As somebody who has a kink of turning old SFF/DT PC's into gaming machines. The nail to the coffin for me was getting a dell optiplex and finding out they even had proprietary fan headers...

[@MrR2185]

@@netiturtle Because they want you to go to them for repairs. Or, if they no longer provide parts, simply purchase a new machine and toss the old in the landfill. Recurring revenue streams 🙂.

[@mpettengill1981]

I sold an i5 version of this machine a few weeks ago. As always with HP business-class machines I was impressed with the many paths to upgrade and the build quality. SSD, 8GB ram, complete setup with 1080p monitor, keyboard and mouse for $150 USD. The young lady I sold it to was thrilled to have it.

[@Trick-Framed]

This is the type of video I miss from the rest of the tech tuber sphere. Thank you Phil. It hit the spot!

[@Blueblur444]

I really like these machines and the Elitedesk 800 (which is basically identical internally). I managed a fleet of about 300 of them at my previous job, the hardware quality and ease of service is very good, and the failure rate was very low (maybe 2-3 out of the 300 that wasn't caused by users). I had a couple I used at home & gave to family when they were replaced at work, and they're still in daily use to this day. Great job explaining and showing all the different capabilities for machines like this, now that they are widely available cheaply on the 2nd hand market due to enterprises updating. I would say one of these machines with a few key upgrades is much better value than most low budget new machines. If buying one now I would perhaps try to get the next model with a 6th gen CPU and DDR4 memory.

[@ChfHappySack]

I did something very similar with the Dell Optiplex 9010 sff. Came with an i7-3770, I installed 16 gigs of ram, and added a low profile gtx 1650. Used it in my living room with my entertainment center. Sometimes I take it to my parents place if I plan on staying for a bit. Really solid build for its size and age of parts.

[@worldgate989]

I did the same thing but i picked up an i7-3770s and had to upgrade to 32gb of ram and a radeon card. put holoiso on it and its great.

[@victorfigueroa9385]

@@worldgate989 what Radeon card do you recommend?

[@creambat21]

@@victorfigueroa9385 rx6400 low profile

[@MDCrabTank]

I still love how Haswell CPU-s are so popular and platform has lived so long.

[@MDCrabTank]

And more motherboards should implement the clear cmos button, which avoids taking out battery in hard to reach placement

[@Alpha-ms9nj]

I recently purchased the 800 G1 SFF for $33 US because it came with the I7 4790 CPU and this video is packed with great information and cool upgrades I didn't know about before. I love this channel man! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise, much appreciated. Keep up the great work.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Making SFF PCs even greater with Phil!

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

I work for University of london as an AV Tech and was allowed to nab one of these a couple of years ago. Using it as a media server. Works great, just wish there was more space for storage.

[@davkdavk]

It's amazing what you can squeeze into that form factor now

[@jonlangfitt]

I have a few of these. I turn them into emulator machines with e9173 radeon cards and on my next step down I5-2400 machine, I put XP on it, used snappy driver and use a gt 740. I love these machines.

[@janf2432]

I built this pc exactly 1 year ago still runs great built this for my younger brother for editing and some gaming as of his age. Core i7-4790K MSI GTX NAVIDA 4GB 1050 ti GPU 32GB RAM 1TB HARD DRIVE 1TB SSD this all fit and work. The ssd fits using blue screws i got off ebay for £3.99 fit like a dream no issues. Only thing i did add is a wifi adapter.

[@dhgodzilla1]

There is Mount Adapters to convert CPU Coolers from a Threaded Screw Mount to Push Pin Mounts & Vice Versa. I have used them more than once so far with no issues but your results might vary.

[@ThomasPerl4]

That icy dock is the best, so simple to swap in 2.5” SATA SSDs and HDDs easily for quick data transfer or multi-booting with separate bootloaders. Have it in a 3.5” to 5.25” adapter to fill an empty slot where an optical drive would go. And since the front side of the inserted disk is visible, one can easily put small labels onto the disks, so you always know what’s currently inserted.

[@harleyn3089]

I really like these ProDesk machines. I bought one a couple of months ago with the i5 4570 for $44 US shipped. They are more commonly in the $60 to $100 range, but that's still a good deal if you are looking for a small form factor computer at an affordable price. My most recent project is a Shuttle H170 mini PC that I got just as cheap with an i3 6300. There are so many good deals on 3rd through 6th gen Intel machines nowadays, and the performance is still completely usable.

[@philscomputerlab]

You are right 🙂

[@sly_botts1189]

Yep you can still game fairly decently on these systems. My daughter had my old i5 4690 16gb ddr3 combined with an rtx 3060. Worked great. Now my youngest has it paired with a gtx 1070.

[@xXRustyShacklefordXx]

We must be on the same wavelength. I ordered one of these last month and they shipped me a barebones by mistake, they let me keep it and then sent me the one I ordered with a i7 4770 and 8gb of ram+ 250 gb hdd. The other one I wanted to use as a *free* pc build so I bought a 5 dollar core i3 4150, spent 18 dollars on four 2gb sticks, paid 20 dollars for a r7 250 and used a 10 dollar spinning hard drive I got off ebay. I'm dual booting windows XP and ubuntu 22.04 and it runs like a dream.

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome 😍

[@explorer9049]

ah yes, love these series return to OEM machines.

[@danielberrett2179]

Happy Phil Day

[@philscomputerlab]

Thank you 😍

[@heyitszim6359]

Always love watching videos of prebuild SFF PCs getting overkill upgrades. In an odd way, it's like a comfy watch for me.

[@philscomputerlab]

Glad to hear it!

[@bnolsen]

I did this build I think just before Covid hit. I went for a used 10050ti which runs pretty well for this system.

[@michaelthompson9798]

With adapters / adapter cards etc, the versatility of these older PCs can make the useful again in a modern setup. Thanks again Phil for this upload 🥰🥳🎉👍😇

[@philscomputerlab]

Absolutely!

[@Aranimda]

I'm happy user of the ProDesk 600 G2 mini. Tiny and newer version of this one. It has a Skylake processor and both BIOS/MBR as UEFI/GPT support. I started at full legacy mode with Windows 7 and now I'm on UEFI/GPT mode with Windows 11. It only uses a little bit of energy which helps a lot as it is in use as a small game/web server.

[@Choralone422]

I've been using what is basically the Dell equivalent of this PC (4th Gen Intel Core, etc) as my son's online school PC for a few years now. I bought mine in the spring of 2019 for $99 US via Ebay. Upgraded the RAM to 16 GB, installed a SATA SSD and a Nvidia 750 TI card that I already had. It's quiet, has been completely dependable and for my son's school work and his light gaming (Roblox, Among Us, etc) it's been excellent. At this point I'm not looking to possibly replace it until the summer of 2024 unless it were to have a major hardware failure before then.

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome 😎

[@vicchopin]

that's the kinda video I love so much about this channel cheers phil have a great weekend man!!!

[@chef4brains]

Awesome breakdown of the potential upgrades to this machine. Thank you!

[@LabCat]

Glad to see that HP has made their ProDesk machines better, even if those are DDR3 machines. The Prodesk 400 machines I used to support were prone to hard motherboard failures. We'd replace at least four a week for our customer. All under warranty but the sites would scream why they couldn't have their Lenovos back.

[@LuisCarlosMalo]

I think you forgot the links to the componets you show in the video ( cooler, RAM, SSD, graphics etc)

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Happy Philday!

[@philscomputerlab]

😍

[@baroncalamityplus]

Like the SSD options you found.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

To bad, folks don't like front bays nowadays...

[@josiahmoorhouse8036]

These are my favorite kinds of videos.

[@mesterak]

Phil!!! Happy Friday buddy 😀

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

A few upgrades, install DosBox and XP /98se virtual machines, paint it and you've got a PC classic to go next to your game consoles lol

[@jayhardway23]

This needs more upvotes

[@dallesamllhals9161]

Whatsa' console? 😛

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@jayhardway23 👍

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@dallesamllhals9161 🤣🤣🤣 I miss the old days when gamer could join hands and sign kumbaya and enjoy the love of gaming together...

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz C64 vs other 8 bits! Amiga vs other 16 bits? And so on... When WERE the times you ramble about?

[@15fakeaccount]

For crazy upgrades, there's SilverStone FPS01-C for slim drive bay that got m.2 SATA slot, USB-C port and (micro)SD-card reader.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice find!

[@bradfordlewis9765]

I have both an SFF ProDesk (Win10 Pro) and an SFF EliteDesk (Win10 Home) from HP. Each has a 4th generation i5 processor (Haswell) at 2.3 Mhz. The EliteDesk G2 has only 8 GB of DDR4 and a 256GB HDD. The ProDesk G2 has 16 GB of DDR4 and a 516 SSD. But I like both of them. On a whim, I also bought a USFF HP EliteDesk G2 with a Haswell running at 2.7 Mhz and a 516 SSD running alongside 16 GB of DDR3. But it's actually the fastest of the three and was priced exactly in the middle of the other two ($199, $219, and $249). I'm happy with all 3. Can't wait to do regular maintenance and upgrades on such simple but well built machines. (Bought them all Reconditioned, at different times and months within a four-month span between December 2019 and March 2020, from TigerDirect.)

[@CosmoRiderDE]

I use the little bigger version G1 800 here which came with an i3 4130 and 4GB of DDR3-1600 and a 1TB mechanical drive. Well now i am using an i7 4675T in there - 35WTDP and 2Ghz base clock, a 6 and 8TB mechanical drive plus 128GB SSD and 4 sticks of DDR3 1600 in 4GB size. This machine is the heart of my retro-room where i do my research on, watching KZbin and store my archived files on. I dont miss a thing on this PC, its fast, silent, reliable, rock solid, using the Intel HD graphics and the internal network connection. Does the job for me 100% well as it is now. No dedicated GPU needed in my case. I still love the Haswell generation very much. Cheap, affordable power for daily use.

[@itklimt]

We sold more than a hundred used HP SFF Prodesk and Elitedesk PCs of various generations, all of them work like a charm. The HP 8300 SFF is useful if you want an Ivy Bridge PC with USB 3.0 which is fully compatible with Windows XP, Windows 10 and Windows 11. Some of our customers added a Geforce 1030, 1630 or a 1650, as shown in this video. Works like a charm. The older Elitedesk series requires an extra fan to cool the Geforce 16xx series. All kind of expansion cards work fine as well, including PCIe to NVMe adapters.

[@georgez8859]

Thanks Phil. I love these kind of Videos. I have an HP Elite Desk 800 with an I5 6500 and a GT1030. That 1650 looks like a good upgrade

[@philscomputerlab]

Great to hear!

[@corvoattano9303]

Hope you don't mind me saying this but I love watching your channel as ASMR. And these types of videos are my favorite. Personally, I will never buy these proprietary nightmares ever again but I like watching people fiddle with them for some odd reason.

[@smada36]

What I love about those ejectable SSD's is that you can make the top one your BOOT drive and swap the operating system as easy as a ROM cartridge in a games console. Eject Windows 10, slot in Ubuntu. Eject that, slot in Windows 7. Wrecked the OS? Reload a new image. No fear to mess around because there is very little down time.

[@nhansgoofyvideos7581]

If you need 4K video decode/ encode and such, the Nvidia P400/600/620/1000 might be a good option for low profile, low power htpc.

[@cgriggsiv]

I love upgrading these type of small form-factor And other desktop variance

[@MrzorkV]

I have this model and have added a PCIe 2.5 GBe Network Card and PCIe NVME Adapter. Both work very well. My Hard Drive with the OS is a Samsung SSD 500 Gig for fast loading.

[@bojinglebells]

for more advanced users willing to risk it, disabling patches for spectre/meltdown can help squeeze out extra performance and for any one else looking to get into repurposing one of these older machines, make sure you know what you're getting into with the parts included; an i7 back in the day was largely a waste of money over an i5 for many users, but can make all the difference today with the extra cache and threads being necessary to make more modern games playable, and i3s of the era might have been perfectly fine for everyday tasks but can be a bit rough for today's standards outside of niche use cases where a Haswell i3 will still make for an awesome homelab router, or dedicated retro gaming/emulation machine.

[@piecaruso97]

speaking of low prpfile gpu there is also the nvidia rtx A2000 and various cards from the radeon pro family, which are all valid options for upgrades here

[@juandenz2008]

Handy upgrade guide. This would be perfect for a lot of uses. Sadly in some markets sellers are too greedy when it comes to used PCs

[@tytyguy1able]

Check your local dump or electronics recyclers. I literally dug 2 old 4th gen teacher machines out of a dumpster, fully working.

[@yuan.pingchen3056]

What's the NIC model name of this machine? intel 210AT or Realtek 8111Hor Broadcom Net extreme series? it's difficult to buy the secondhand machine with every spec meets my needs.

[@greg8909]

I just bought HP 8200 SFF because 1x 5.25 and 1x 3.5 on the front gives you better expendability. The HP 8300 SFF is the more modern and the latest option for this case form factor (Hp 8000, 8100, 8200, 8200 SFF share the same chassis)

[@LorisPeretto]

Yes, I always loved this compact machine that you can upgrade to a lot faster machine in all little space! Wow!

[@baracuda9052]

Recently got the same Pc just G2 variant added i7-6700 and 16gb ram and Rx 6400. Works great. Total price added up to 400 Euros. Great machine for the price small and efficient.

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

I kinda want one of these. The perfect balance between cheapto upgrade and modern enough to support VR if upgraded enoug.

[@spongerobert]

I recently did a very similar build with the Radeon RX6400. I got lucky with an HP ProDesk 400 G6 w/9th gen i5 at around 170USD. I have to say these G1 boxes still pack a punch and you can easily get them for less than 50USD on ebay for the i5 model.

[@jameselliott449]

What rating is your PSU? I have a ProDesk 400 G2.5 which only has a 180watt PSU and I'm struggling to find a higher wattage PSU that will fit

[@Chungleas]

I've just score a refurbed i5 one of these with an SSD an 8GB memory primarily for use as a zwifting PC (indoor game controlled cycling trainer) I also got hold of a cheap full height GTX 1050 Ti (I know there's low profile versions available but they're not available as cheap). The card works on a riser cable, the issue is housing it somewhere in the case So currently I've removed the lower 3.5" mount from the pivoting front tray and I've designed a 3D printed internal GPU caddy to try and fit it in that lower forward space. If all goes to plan I'll actually be able to keep the slim optical drive (but I don't really need it) and have a decent, cheap "gaming capable SFF desktop" for the garage... Lots of people seem to look for ways to move these ex-corporate SFF machines into full tower cases so they can fit full sized GPUs, but I quite like the idea of keeping them in that more compact form so they can fit in more convenient spaces.

[@777anarchist]

Desktop PCs should make a comeback. Using a dedicated monitor stand is annoying.

[@michaelluong6484]

That's one practical machine!

[@boating2strokenovice726]

You can use the HP Elite 8300 CPU Cooler with 90mm fan for the CPU. It works.

[@rodhester2166]

I have a love / hate relationship with hp and dell machines.. lol. They are great for everyday computing but as they age, finding drivers ect. sometimes becomes a battle when the manufacturer removes them from their site. I too have used many of those extra devices to add more functionality, Icy dock has great products that are worth it.

[@carlolalattacosterbosa5821]

I've just seen 5 seconds and i already put my Like... thanks for the video, interesting af as always

[@meh78336]

If you want to upgrade and keep the functionality on the "cheap", I can't recommend enough using the InWin BQ itx cases, especially if you can get the USB 3 150w or higher versions. They are the Chopin but with more flexibility as you can use them horizontally, vertically or vesa mounted, plus they have a slim optical bay and usb 2 card reader, plus always cheaper as they are more a practical aesthetic than a gamer one. I swear by mine, though I did mod it to put an external slim 120mm fan to keep my X570, 5700G and overclocked RAM a bit cooler. Makes a nice compact and relatively cheap 4K HTPC and Raspberry Pi on steroids for retro gaming. I managed to cram 2, 2.5 2TB hybrid drives, and 2 NVME drives into mine along with a DVD drive (second hybrid drive is jammed in behind he DVD but is in there tight).

[@Teksers]

There is another GPU that would fit inside this case. The RTX A2000 12GB version, but that would be more expensive than a fully decked HP G1 SFF PC.

[@harrybryan9633]

The 6gb version is less than a ow profile GTX 1650.

[@paalpet]

@@harrybryan9633 That doesn't make sense, the RTX A2000 is a much faster enterprise GPU.

[@gymnastic8428]

hello i neeed your help i cant eject the graphic card feel so solid should i press that black tip in face of the feet of the pc ?

[@RunnerBalz]

I have an 800 G1. I've built it with parts I found on the scrap. I7 4790 + 16 Gb Ram + Quadro 620

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome!

[@FSX239]

Great vid, keep them coming.

[@Mantikal]

You could also install your own modern high powered Mobo and extra dedicated low profile hardware - with some cable connection adapters and call it a day. You just won't see the dell logo on boot up but it's no major loss.

[@giokiborg]

If you just want it as media PC/Server, even for the 4K, you can plug low profile 1030/1050ti/Quadro P400/P1000 and it will have support for the modern encoder/decoders, except AV1, CPU is still powerful enough and you can even use it as light gaming/emulation PC as well If you still decide for the updated version, there are relatively cheap dell optiplex SFF/ HP ellite desk SFF's, with Intel 8/9 gen CPU's, but be aware, some SFF's have very annoying PCI-e layout, for example, I have dell optiplex SFF, 8 gen core i5, but PCI-e X16 is located right next to the PSU, so only 1 slot, low profile GPU will fit, only real option is GT 1030/ Quadro P1000, I do not consider RX 6400 since it lacks hardware decoders and its 4x PCI-e lanes are significant bottleneck for the 3rd gen PCI-e, also usually in newer models there are only 2 RAM slots, so this way its also limited.

[@jj-icejoe6642]

P600

[@lisov4575]

where are the links to the various adapters?

[@VandelayIndustries1982]

I have one of these with an i5 4590 haswell refresh cpu

[@retro-computing-gaming]

Being a 4th-gen Intel, this is the last generation of motherboard that is actually 100% Windows XP compatible. All it needs then is a compatible low-profile graphics card.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes you are right 😍

[@looks-suspicious]

Actually, the Intel chipset USB 3.0 controller doesn't have XP drivers. So it's only about 97% compatible. But it will work in USB 2.0 mode.

[@retro-computing-gaming]

@@looks-suspicious Correct, but at least there's no dead ports as even the 3.0 ports will still work at 2.0 speed (I think).

[@itstheweirdguy]

I have set up so many of these. The best strategy is to screw 2.5 inch ssd's in with a cd drive screw through the squares near where the drives go, you can skip a caddy. If you have a 3.5 inch hard drive the case has 4 extra screws built in that are made to be taken out and used for that purpose, unless someone already took them out. That will work in the slot under the optical disc drive. If they took them out any round machine screw, or weird hp round screw (you know what I mean) will work.

[@bhok5228]

Nice work, but i really hate propietary PSU´s

[@gert106xsi]

I have 2 Haswell era Lenovo Thinkcentre sff pc's that where thrown away. Might as well upgrade it and use it as a daily driver. I currently use an Intel i7 nuc, but although it works well, I'm just not very enthousiast about it.

[@neongenesis2979]

I just bought an Elitedesk 800 G1 SFF. It's a shame that Noctua doesn't make a 70mm fan. What brand of 70mm fan do you recommend?

[@jomeyqmalone]

If you decide to go to 4k on a budget, think about something like a Pentium g7400, or an i3 12100. Both have great GPUs for 4k media use, including AV1 support

[@ianfleming4816]

I love the Z240 SFF versions of these HP boxes. They have V3/V5 Xeon E3s, ECC support, and better drive bays that don't require sleds. They also have thoughtful touches like 4 extra of those hard to find screws, along with the standard SATA drive style screws. Diskless boxes with 16GB memory and a Quadro K620 are under $100 on the bay.

[@MartinWolves]

I have one of these which I bought from eBay for £60. I'm very happy with it for the price.

[@harleyn3089]

Most of the Z-Series workstations also have surprisingly good RAID controllers. They make really nice NAS boxes or just a reliable place to store large amounts of data like videos.

[@johno9163]

A wonderful job on the video! I was deciding between this system and a Lenovo but this video has me sold on the HP. Thanks for such a clear and informative video!

[@Mani-aX]

i have a couple of these machines. i use them for LAN parties with some of my friends. we play some older retro games and such on them. easy to setup / clone and then restore the backup to multiple of them as they are all the same hardware.

[@Limeyfrog]

Hi, I have a prodesk 800 g1 16Gb. I added a gt 1030 and it handles 4k video easily. I've been using it for about a year now and I have had no problems. Incidentally, you can drive 3 monitors directly if you do this.

[@Saboteur-ft9jn]

Does it actually work? I see 3 bent pins on socket at 0:47

[@philscomputerlab]

It did, but I seem to have done some damage later. When producing content, the sequence of filming is sometimes not following what you see in the finished video.

[@theinktician]

I wanted a Prodesk 600 G4 so bad - but i caved and got a Optiplex 3060. The one M.2 slot is only PCIe 2 and theres 2 SATA drives, all supporting only 1TB. I wish i pulled the trigger on the Prodesk I saw for 130USD smh

[@JeremyLeePotocki]

There is another choice now with regards to low profile GPUs if you go used, and that is the RTX A2000 with it's 70W TDP. That can make it a real power house 1080p to 1440p gaming rig. The hot swapable drive bay is a nice touch as well. You can set it up to where instead of doing duel boot OS you can just swap the OS drive with another.

[@diablorojo3887]

Much better to work than the Dell XPS Desktops from the same generation (I need to clean mine past month, and is a nightmare). My only complain is that some of this HPS have problems with Pré 10xx/RX GPUs

[@philscomputerlab]

What problems did you encounter? I tested quite a few graphics cards from older generations with this machine.

[@diablorojo3887]

@@philscomputerlab some simple don't post, techyescity is always talking about this, thankfully I only encounter this problem once

[@Thefirstnoobtoexist]

Did u change the power supply coz the gtx 1650 is a pretty big gpu so. Do I have to change the power supply?

[@philscomputerlab]

I did not.

[@Thefirstnoobtoexist]

@@Hidden-b3n i don't think it's silent. The fans inside are pretty loud.

[@2Plus2isChicken2013]

I like that you mentioned Icy Dock. They make some really useful products, and I always have one of their hot swap bays on my computer because it’s useful for things like transferring data from one PC to another or for having different OSes you can swap in and out.

[@jj-icejoe6642]

Dual or triple boot

[@spitalul2bad]

Is it just me, or do those motherboard pins look bent -- right at the beginning of the video (after disassembly)

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea seems you're right. I shot that footage after testing...

[@gogolapeter]

Some third party coolers can work with a tiny bit of modification. Just think "out of the box". Rotate some retention brackets. Bend a little here and there ;-) Great video as always!!!

[@Kamil92Zgon]

Very nice project, it is nice to see that Intel i7 4th gen still can give us some fun

[@philscomputerlab]

It sure is!

[@adam-xi2nc]

If anyone is wondering a RTX 3050 LP will work as well. I've been rocking one on the G1 600 sff for a couple months now with no problems.

[@soapy4607]

Its a 75w card so probably as you can run a 75w 1650

[@chadmasta5]

I don't know what the prices are like in Australia but for around $150-200 US there are modern hp elitedesk units that are very slim that use ryzen chips. Either 1st or 2nd gen g series chips. (4 cores. 4 threads but I never looked into if they were upgradeable) Less expandable but I think they have at least an nvme slot and a 2.5 inch bay. Lenovo has units with the same specs and a similar form factor as well.

[@philscomputerlab]

Wow that's interesting. Haven't come across one yet...

[@chadmasta5]

@@philscomputerlab I just had a look at australian ebay and unfortunately the ones there are way more expensive.

[@ms-dosmanfred249]

Have you also tried to use throttle stop for undervolting the cpu? This could maybe save you some extra watts. Also the RTX A2000 could be an option for the gpu. Should be overkill, but sometimes you can get a used one "relatively" cheap. Would be interesting to see how this combo performs.

[@philscomputerlab]

That A2000 has been mentioned a few times, but I don't have one. The other option is using a desktop GPU with the case open and PCIe ribbon cable.

[@eduards2790]

I own a very simular computer(800 g1 I5), thus I was wondering, how impactful is dual channel ram. Also I have a magic device attached at the back above the usb and audio ports, any clue what it does. It has no ports.

[@philscomputerlab]

Good point and something I can add to future tests. I don't have any SFF machines at the moment, but keep my eyes out for deals in Australia. Lately we got some Z440 and Z640 workstations so expect some content about those machines!

[@drazures]

Phil, can you show how to fit a standard lowpowered videocard into these small form factor pc with a pcie raiser?

[@harleyn3089]

You plug in both ends of the riser cable and find a place to set the video card. I believe the reason it wasn't in the video is because there's no elegant place to mount it.

[@philscomputerlab]

You cannot fit it neatly and I used it for the purpose of this video to test the games as I didn't want to buy a low profile card specifically for this video.

[@drazures]

@@harleyn3089 You right, i saw a guy that mount the card outside the case doing a mod but maybe isn't aesthetic, and placed it inside is also tricky and the rear connections wouldn't fit in. Thanks for reply!

[@drazures]

@@philscomputerlab Ok Phil, I understand, so the only way would be doing an extreme modding on the original case to mounting the card outside or better (without destroying the case) taking off the hardware and making a diy case, but is a lot of work hehe. Thanks for reply!

[@kami3701]

Thanks for the video, maybe consider upgrading a HP 400 G5 SSF! It comes with Intel Core i5-8500 + which would be good for your living room needs?

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

Awesome vid! Few things; 1) if you get desperate, you can get a PSU adapter to run a more powerful PSU, I have done this and put the mobo in a bigger case. 2) Depending on the size and position of the BIOS chip, you can get a cheap programmable chip reader of aliexpress which may allow you to manually flash a fresh BIOS. 3) There are adapters you can 3D print to allow for traditional coolers! Check thingiverse!

[@arnislacis9064]

It is possible to get NVMe SSD support in BIOS, using modified BIOS.

[@Super123456789Kuba]

This PC is looking weirdly familiar to those HPs they had in my school.

[@andriangarces2760]

you should mod the bios to get nvme support

[@joebruno2675]

I use an AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz 4 core with RX560 4GB for 4k. It has HEVC H.265 decoder. They make a low profile version I think so it should fit in that machine.

[@golobologaming9900]

what happens if I screwed in the screws from the hdd into the ssd would the ssd stop working?

[@zacharyschwanke7160]

id like you to take a look at the g4 six core version.

[@philscomputerlab]

What I noticed is that they seem to have reduced the PSU power with the newer generations, so it might not handle a decent GPU anymore...

[@zacharyschwanke7160]

@@philscomputerlab I would go with a 1650, 1050ti, yeston rx 550 low profile or a low profile RX 6400

[@Maker3d380]

How about power supply? Shoud I need to change ? Tks

[@EL_DIABLOMATEO09]

What screw driver did you use to unscrew the cpu cooler