How have L4D1 maps changed in L4D2

[@HSTop]

How to create AI voices? hstop.media/go/PlayHT

[@Rushi486]

l4d1 is atmosphere and details, l4d2 is gameplay balance

[@unidaboss8133]

L4d2 balance nowadays is kinda wack, especially with terrible hitreg

[@Cyberplays10]

@@unidaboss8133 ya especially in vs the hit detection is terrible as a charger you will sometimes glide off a survivor and not hit em

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

Doesn't matter. Same price. Content is king, nowadays the purchase of l4d1 over l4d2 is worth it exclusively for nostalgia factors. And if you unnironically play l4d1 nowadays is because you can't afford the superior, you are butthurt the boycott didn't work, a TLS hater incel or a player incapable of dealing with jockeys like a man

[@dustlicker3]

@@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961i play l4d2 unironically because i enjoy the game :)

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

​@@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961cry harder.

[@nitothememe4047]

I hate that l4d2 deleted most of the skips on the singleplayer maps but it makes sense as it's being more competetive focused

[@alastor8091]

>competitive >single player Read what you wrote and realize changing shit for SINGLE PLAYER doesnt make any sense in a competitive environment.

[@heyslurpy]

those changes makes it more challenging since melee are featured in l4d2

[@Romantic_Painter]

I heard that the facial animations of the survivors in l4d1 and the survivors in l4d2 are slightly different. Could you please edit and upload a video of the differences in the facial animations of these two games?

[@HSTop]

I'll think about it, thanks!

[@beetheimmortal]

Interesting how some things were downgraded (like the Mercy hospital enterior), but other things were massively improved. EDIT: I mean it strictly in a visual complexity sense. I never disputed that L4D2's versions play better.

[@fvhaudsilhvdfs]

it's not a downgrade its gameplay optimization. if you had played l4d1 at a high level (i was widely considered the best hunter in north america at one point), you'd know why they removed the chairs from the no mercy lobby

[@beetheimmortal]

@@fvhaudsilhvdfs Sorry, bad wording. I was mostly talking about visual complexity here, but I definitely agree it's a gameplay upgrade.

[@dominikcz198]

l4d1 has the campaigns where they look better, whereas l4d2 has these campaigns, but they are better to actually play on which is far more important

[@TimDragonDeckers]

L4D2 versions of L4D1 maps mostly uses versus versions of it. But I agree that using versus version of the map on a Campaign is sometimes a downgrade in term of visual, though often they made this change in order to compensate for making Jockey/Charger more of a threat that otherwise they have little challenge to deal with. Dead air fences or old no mercy turret platform would make charger a very little or no threat as survivors are relativily safe from falling off. But without fence, charger and jokey are more of an actual threat. This means that survivors usually have to find an alternative position instead of everyone camping in a 'easy to defend' position. Usually a place safe from falling: those are often a enclosed space, which in turn is where spitters might come up to discourage camping all the time. Basically, the game wants a more dynamic gameplay instead of camping in one position all the time and only leave when Tank comes out.

[@TheDangvu]

Because in L4d2 we have charger and jockey. So Valve had to change map or these 2 will be overpower

[@MelonGrace]

They're removing some decoration props in L4D2 because it cause performance issues on some PCs because the Hordes would just kick propa around and sometimes hordes can be overload like way back in the days, so Valve removed them And also in some maps, people also use props to climb into broken spot which made the Ai director stop spawning in the normal infected Of course they can just freeze the props, But then that would goes again the idea of "Source Engines" where the props should be 100% interactable.

[@moo.moo91]

2:42 now that was very clever and original

[@hachirothegamer69420]

2:30

[@Jovapex]

I actually didnt realise how much these maps are changed

[@mohamadamirulabdlah6089]

Blood Harvest, Dead Air and Death Toll got a chapter where zombies are spawned endlessly and just need focus on running to the safe room..

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

Well death toll I won’t say it spawns “endless” amounts, unless I’m wrong because every common event for death toll, until the finale only last 3 to 5 minutes, and the entire map of death toll chapter 3, only sends in the common event, once you reach to the safe room, and have to wait till the safe room door is open. so the only time the commons are endless in death toll is when the rescue vehicle appears in chapter 5. Dead air it’s the same thing with 3 to 5 minute common events until chapter 4 where it gives the infinite common event near the end of the map that is endless hordes And blood harvest just increased the infinite hordes, by 2 chapters which is chapter 3 and chapter 4. The strangest part for blood harvest chapter 3 for me is no loud sound is playing once the bridge is destroyed, so I don’t know where these commons are coming from, cuz every other infinite common event has a loud alarm sound. Also just a fun fact, if a tank spawns in a infinite common event spawn, it changes the infinite common spawn to a 3 to 5 minute common event. Due to how the tank in finales stop common spawns when they spawn. So even the chapters I know have infinite common spawns, might not be 100% infinite due to the RNG tank spawns.

[@Pluvillion]

People keep blaming the TLS update because they took out _exploits_ but completely brushing off all the new things it introduced for both campaign and versus. Granted, tricks don't work like they did in L4D1, and how the maps used the VS variant (though it's more of a Valve case from years ago), but the L4D2 version of the maps feel better to play. You won't notice a difference either (unless for major changes like No Mercy finale).

[@xzem613]

HS, I really hope you get 1 million subs, you deserve it man

[@hunlepto2239]

I really wish the TLS team could bring back the campaign variants of the maps. They are so much more atmospheric and detailed, because they don't have to really rely on game balance and performance.

[@train_go_boom2065]

They can do a rng type of system to add more randomization to the maps

[@joao34386]

@@train_go_boom2065 Not without recompiling the maps, which Valve has firmly disallowed.

[@Xenorvya]

I agree. They should add a system similar to Dead Center's mall. Giving the game a bit more replayability.

[@R4NK4Z]

im happy with almost every change, especially for versus campagne however should have kept all the fun skips and such

[@rumiDVD]

I casually played L4D in middle school on net cafes and recently getting into L4D2. Like, actually tryharding it. I thought I was crazy when I see the No Mercy finale, Death Toll bridge holdout, and Dead Air alarm choke seems so... wrong. The level design is so iconic that it could stick to someone's head decades after playing the game. I didn't remember Blood Harvest because back then the map's too scary for me xD

[@Malxer]

More than a decade later and I still don't know the difference between both games, lol

[@TheystolemyShmnuguss]

that was the cleverest add sponsorship i have ever seen.

[@Katana2097]

0:26 this door seems to only open after a map restart. I don't know the pattern, but it is always open if you die and have to restart the map. 1:09 in L4D1 Versus, the mechanism above the opening is higher up, allowing clearance for SI to attack, and drop down into the elevator.

[@Katana2097]

Oh that's right. Jogged my memory. I seem to recall seeing an output from the scissor lift that opens that door when I was poking around the map in Hammer. Odd decision by the devs there.

[@lostskull7467]

Nah, you guys are wrong about 0:26 (including hstop), that's just one of those spots the director arbitrarily decides to open or close when the map is loaded. It's just like that one room right before the truck yard at Crash Cours's finale.

[@HSTop]

I suspected that it's the director, but I did something wrong and couldn't catch it. Anyway, in L4D2, this door is always open. If I had noticed earlier, I would have removed this moment from the video (just like I did with the doors on The Sacrifice).

[@lostskull7467]

@@HSTop Don't worry about it bro. Your work on l4d1&2 is great. (with demoman's voice) Yer' doing good, lad!

[@thedude0000-b2j]

that FUCKING ad tho lmaooooo

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

I never knew why l4d2 performed better than l4d1 on my ancient pc despite being newer, now i know is due the higher amount of map optimizations

[@fabriziomachado5052]

Left 4 dead 2 se enfoca más en el ámbito competitivo, por ello la eliminación de elementos innecesarios como: las camillas, barricadas e incluso añadieron más zonas de respawn y agujeros más grandes para el paso de zombies, sin contar que los ambientes ahora son más claros y visibles.

[@imnicked4185]

I knew some of these changes, but goddamn I didn't expect so many. L4D1 versions of these maps are more visually immersive, but the L4D2 versions of these maps are much better from a gameplay and balance perspective

[@Destinedfor]

The only lesson of this video is that the sequel fundamentally open ways that makes versus fluent, and more adversible on strategies, and I mean only on versus.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

I love HS Top, is like Crowbcat but without the comment censorship, biased clips and lacking unnecessary drama

[@oxideactual1018]

Two completely different channels bud, and Crowbcat opens peoples eyes to the decline of gaming nowadays bias or not.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

@@oxideactual1018 In the L4D2 video he skipped former employees switching companies and deleted comments calling him out for his horrendous "critique" of RE4 remake audio while using "proof" from a literal nobody youtube channel with next to no previous post history with barebones arguments as if it was irrefutable. There's something called trust and its easily lost, after that? I can't take him seriously. "Opens people's eyes" I ain't gonna take you seriously either after how religiously you worship that dude and cannot think for youself.

[@defaultface7273]

​@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961 A lot of crowbcats videos are pretty questionable as well. Like his gta4/5 comparison felt very unfair and cherry picked.

[@tPlayerioT]

the difference on both are huge. i played left4dead1 once and it took me 10minutes to find whenever was the start event to continue because on left2 it doesnt has it

[@Ronel_9719]

Nice work bro ❤🎉

[@darkaidenalex3551]

There are so many changed things in L4D1and L4D2 that i never notice it in actual gameplay because its become second nature now, and by the time i actually notice it i get a bit confused

[@shoeliver]

me and my neighbor whenever he came over would play no mercy on l4d1 and hide in the little closet during the finale, and just praying to god that a boomer or zoey doesn't open the door.

[@Oskar_.]

Been watching you since 8 years ago man I love your videos so much❤

[@Kirill_19_years_ago]

Вау!!! Не думал что они могут отличаться...

[@meaness]

Left 4 Dead - на NM стенки в госпитале ломаются не с 1 удара, на 4 карте. Все проходы есть, как и во второй части. (До лифта и после подъёма на крышу, слева). Можно даже в режиме призрака там пройти. (Rotoblin cfg).

[@Daniel-qn9rw]

I miss playing L4D

[@scorp1on104]

Yeah game is not dead

[@JJthepro.]

7:29 Francis: Hey louise, you look like sh!t. Louise: No! *L4d2* Louise: *Laughter* Francis got karma😂

[@genierochelle]

It been so long I didn't play main campaign map😮😮😮😮

[@miniboar12]

Good form for patrocinate 2:29 😎😎👌👌🤟🤟

[@VRuslanovichK6176]

9:27 + в первой части если и все же пройти через арочную рамку металоискателя орда не бежит бесконечно

[@totallynothyper964]

7:26 The way Louis said ᴺᵒ!

[@justj2601]

The Sacrifice and The Passing next?

[@lightningfastman97]

The AI voice ad... Oof

[@AlishaWolfe]

Left 4 Dead 1 was always my favourite since 2008 ❤

[@user-xp8xe8qs6t]

Sacrifice and chash course не разобрали потому что они были добавленны в обновах?

[@Sanya_here]

А в КС некоторые карты совсем порезали тот же Диззи например хотелось бы походить там более подробно. И понять что же изменилось после событий каэски которые случились явно раньше серии лефты.

[@MasonTC]

Can you do one where you compare the changes of L4D2 maps in both L4D1 & L4D2?

[@NickJJH14]

I love l4d2 but damn do I hate the TLS update .All the glitches that made the game fun got patched. Absolutely no one complained about it.

[@brendendonohue2746]

This has nothing to with TLS, these were changes Valve made when they ported over the maps. I can tell you hopped on the TLS hate train just because with a comment like that, a pity.

[@NickJJH14]

@@brendendonohue2746 no it's not lmao

[@NickJJH14]

@@brendendonohue2746 and the tls update was garbage. There were shortcuts in versus that were patched that didn't bees to be. Especially on the first chapter of dark carnival

[@NickJJH14]

@@brendendonohue2746 and I'm not talking about the new survival maps. I'm talking about the maps that existed before TLS.... Doing glitches with the grenade launcher in survival was fun. Did them for over a decade and then tls came... Nice to see they left some shortcuts unpactched on campaign mode. Especially the first chapter of no mercy, very fun skip.

[@nathankid76]

I noticed that but I prefer left 4 dead 1 maps still

[@Novax4053]

I love your guys”s videos

[@jourcontre-jour1286]

Good video but you forgot to include the L4D2 maps

[@allensandmi5729]

Francis giving us ads now

[@a6pukoc113]

Это в ведь старое видео восьмилетней давности, но в новой обёртке, правда?

[@Particle_Ghost]

I have a question. I have never played these before and I understand they've been delisted on Series X, so I'm about to order the disc version online, and I'm only going to really play them single player with bots. Should I order both games or just import the maps from 1 into 2? Some people say the original maps are better because it doesn't have the extra enemy types added in, and that the games are a better experience when separated. If your focus is online, than they say to important because that's where the players are, but for the best single player solo experience, to keep them separated. Any opinions?

[@AvaaSlays_Swiftie]

Buy both. They’re cheap and you can purchase the dlc through the game still.

[@gremblo5895]

Feels like Blood Harvest Map 4 is a direct downgrade in L4D2, cutting off alternate routes.

[@ponurezapomnienie]

Francis is the hottest, most muscular, most handsome, strongest and best gay daddy ever, came while listening him

[@samxyz6140]

for real😭

[@MangakaConnor]

0:25 Она же там когда как открыта, тут уже ситуативно

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

What is important to note is while l4d2 did improve some aspects of l4d1 maps, it also ruint them. Cancelling the improvements.

[@GromowSanchous]

как всегда збс

[@minidude1278]

left 4 dead 1 maps make you feel on a real scenario or building, left 4 dead 2 ports makes you feel like you are in a place whit a shit ton of OSHA violations

[@svenszymanski1211]

2:26 is this Francis real voice in the Promotion Part?

[@itdobelikedattho8112]

AI, my friend

[@sweatycommenter]

its crazy that l4d3 just got leaked

[@Futo_no_mononobe]

Sure

[@HUNTERR147]

Top bro😮

[@RetroGaming-gp2ef]

It’s like they rereleased the original maps, they made them less detailed in the sequel.

[@thealex6047]

I like this video bro❤

[@brendontaylor7545]

A lot, if not all, of these changes are for gameplay reasons.

[@bullshifters6016]

Francis find a new job ,promoter of web sites ajjajja

[@Forwhut]

Why not blood harvest ??

[@divinegreed8252]

I mean ngl, l4d1 maps had a lot of special infected camping spots and blind spots

[@Invalid37]

how did you get that crosshair looks nice

[@tinybunny2171]

А когда видео по исправленным багам Left 4 Dead 1 ?

[@Corvatile]

The Death Toll church is a major downgrade. The fact the zombies can get into the church from any angle means there's no point trying to defend from the top of the graveyard anymore, everyone just camps in the corner. Also the addition of "fight to the saferoom" endless horde sequences was a terrible idea

[@aminali9910]

How to get the crosshair of the video?

[@hafizgv]

huh... hah... love it

[@playboikaniiii]

it's weird that l4d1 has ragdolls on for survivors but l4d2 does not. l4d1 is the more serious game of the two so seeing bill flying after a tank punch with source ragdoll physics puts me off so much

[@TM__1566]

The reason why L4D1 has ragdolls for survivors but L4D2 doesn't is because L4D2 introduced the defib, which helps to revive other players

[@NoName-st5so]

How to play in pre-tls version of the game?

[@kdamarol8209]

when is the new episode of hs mus

[@Aynshtaynn]

Campaign changes in L4D2 No Mercy Rooftop are kind of downgrade, since there is no spawn points for survivors who died before finale start anymore.

[@BriJeeTVGameDev]

l4d feels more real life corrected but l4d2 is simpler for humans and handy for specials in versus

[@Sanya_here]

9:40 Ну зачем добавили огонь? Это же просто перенос кампании для чего все эти ненужности?

[@Sanya_here]

5:45 Да! Вот именно! И мне интересно зачем и почему?

[@laz.2714]

haahahah W francis promotion of keydrop

[@Memessssss]

L4d1 has more skips, l4d2 has other glitches to skip

[@mattiag1846]

02:00 There's not much point in it being usable

[@Sanya_here]

8:40 И здесь тоже я не понимаю зачем забор нужно было ставить?

[@Hyper5ound]

So good to be third in comments

[@Dr.valentine]

Инккк, сделай прохождения л4д2 всех компаний. С мутацией где нельзя падать. Зови друзей, будет весело.

[@_HotShid_]

1:43 Эта стена и до TLS ломалась же?

[@HSTop]

Скачивал до TLS версию, не увидел там текстуры чтобы сломать стенку, разве что за танка можно, да

[@_HotShid_]

@@HSTop А, ну может так и есть. Просто 100% помню, что ломалась та стена

[@joao34386]

@@HSTop Pre-TLS that wall was only breakable by tank, TLS updated it so all infected could break it.

[@Dr.Andrew.Uncle_Dane]

i'am hate ads

[@OVERHEAVENchilla]

INC лучший

[@ruzcelbeltran]

What a great evolution for left 4 dead i wonder when left 4 dead 2 is coming?

[@yugoksuf]

Why are you still researching every details about l4d , are you valve or something?

[@Watts2020]

He’s valve and he said to me he will ban you in l4d for being an Alien.

[@Govnyasha1993]

Ещё один гвоздь в гроб лефты2

[@eraliaidarbekob9278]

Где inc он что пропал

[@crashez2620]

Очередной последний видос по l4d на канале 😊

[@meaness]

Как по мне - первая часть всё же была намного лучше и атмосфернее. Вторая часть - как будто дешёвый треш-фильм.

[@JUP17ER]

I hate ping

[@milespl]

You have a nice tik tok account

[@user-mw8sl7cx5i]

Ти топ

[@itdobelikedattho8112]

Ти?

[@user-mw8sl7cx5i]

@@itdobelikedattho8112 ти

[@FürPreußen]

hmmmm

[@saltysugar5081]

Ложь! Френсис не ненавидит только жилеты!

[@user-io6hz8sn9c]

я первый ииху

[@1634smith]

Wow no Dark Carnival my favourite map unsub 😢

[@Futo_no_mononobe]

Lmao

[@Frying1Pans]

moral of the story: tls update was awful

[@joao34386]

Video: *Shows improvements from the update* Dumbass on KZbin: "TLS WaS AwFuL!1!11"

[@oxideactual1018]

And your story is you lack the intelligence to know that Valve did all this to the L4D1 maps years and years ago. Go back to school. And TLS was actually well received. Cope😁

[@Futo_no_mononobe]

True

[@vcr_official]

No, it's genuinely not.