Huawei did it! A true Android competitor!

[@TheFridayCheckout]

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[@JoelBergmark]

1:24 How can you mention Huawei and still after months not even mention Mate XT 3 Ultimate? But OpenHarmony, has huge potential and there is eruopean companies developing for that, you can investigate it if you want very interesting stuff happening! BTW even MKBHD showed the Huawei Mate XT 3.

[@BrunoDias1234]

This is the same as Germany criticizing China for its cars but omitting that Israel is committing genocide.

[@robertgittings8662]

*You meant IOS Competitor*

[@robertgittings8662]

*"Their technology is like four generations behind" ...like WTH are you smoking their speed is like last year's SnapDragon by AnTuTu using technics like software and hardware optimization ...This is the exact reason I stopped watching this channel*

[@Winnetou17]

@TheFridayCheckout please fix the chapters. Thank you!

[@K1ng__gam]

Huawei is making a big comeback here in South Africa 🇿🇦

[@marccilliers4808]

I hope that you are not just saying it. I have a Huawei nova 9 and some of the apps that I want to use completely sucks, like the Jlab app. Or where APKPure has taken away the ability to listen to the bible on the bible app but the play button is still there.

[@btwoodmovies7727]

Once upon a time in south Africa,, Huawei was a number 1 brand in south Africa,,

[@lastofadyingbreed5526]

I still hear a lot of Huawei notification sounds wherever I go... People here in SA loves Huawei

[@nishant5249]

Unfortunately it is banned in india.

[@hanqnero]

​@@nishant5249but why? And how?

[@arbitraryX]

0:22 Huawei harmony OS 2:33 Google tensor changes 3:47 Qualcomm's big week 5:57 Release monitor 7:40 Brief

[@divitkarekar5803]

thanks man

[@apidas]

thanks buddy, you deserve a medal

[@divitkarekar5803]

@@apidas bro thought this is reddit😂do you mean a heart?

[@markaznar1979]

This

[@kyb7795]

Hiro Nakamura

[@techraptor4947]

Honestly, I'm surprised Samsung hasn't created their own OS, given how big and popular they are among Android phones.

[@marflage]

They have Tizen OS

[@nathonix7072]

@@marflage that OS is for samsung TVs

[@ganonzero1]

​@@nathonix7072Samsung tried Tizen for phones ages ago, but it never took off.

[@EddieTee77]

​@@nathonix7072they had a version running on phones in Russia long ago.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

they had ....

[@darlingtonolelewe1212]

Google is a extremely unserious company in terms of hardware.

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Their focus is not on the video games but AI and for that they don't need most performant chips. Their prefer more to have control over their chips than having highest benchmark scores. Also their Pixel phones with Tensor chips provide highest security on Android OS.

[@91Canjok]

Hello, pixel 4a 5g user here. Phone has serious frame drop issues, hiccups and is not smooth in various areas. My father has an iPhone 11, which is half a year older in use and the release of the phone was about a year earlier. The smoothness is just insane. In fact, it is smoother than newer a series pixels. We pixel users should stop giving Google a pass. Btw, instead of saying "our new phone will get 7 years of updates", they should have said our seven year old phone will also get the latest update.

[@ptbauro]

@@D.u.d.e.r Dude. Give it a rest.

[@Anankin12]

​​@@D.u.d.e.rI stopped caring about games when my Pixel 6 (more powerful than my older OP7) demonstrated an inability to play anything because of incredible overheating and absurd thermal throttling. It still sometimes destroys itself because it randomly gets too hot. I have access to 2 Pixel 6, 4 Pixel 6a, 2 Pixel 7a and a Pixel 8 Pro. They all share the randomly overheating problem. It's a Google cannot design phones that cool properly problem together with a Samsung Foundries sucks ass.

[@alice_agogo]

​@@91Canjokyou mean all you 5 pixel users in the whole world 🌏?

[@ykd0011]

Maths : Find X Oppo : Find X8

[@arafatrahmanshihab5268]

X=8

[@CGGS_0]

Student: X = 10. So, take 10+8, you get 18 or XVIII.

[@faizanbaber]

@@ykd0011 Snapdragon: 8 Elite / X Elite Hence proved X=8

[@user-tu1vn4sh5t]

let ∑(xi) from i= 1 to (n∈Z+) = [n(n+1)(2n+1)] / 6. *Find x8*

[@rodNantz]

Oppo / 8 = FInd * X

[@user-tu1vn4sh5t]

Huawei's making a comeback in Malaysia, in terms of global presence for their phone business

[@anpanmlbb]

Im Malaysian , im craving for Pura 70 series hahahah. But the money tho. But nvm , im still using old Huawei Phone

[@BBCisSb250]

@@anpanmlbb I purchased two unwrapped Huawei Mate 60 Pro China Edition in Thailand and the price was ridiculously high compared to domestic China

[@globanxiety]

ok wumao

[@Drifter18903]

But all their chip are still using the 7nm architecture from 2022 while the west have leaped two full generation to 2nm. They come out with cool features and all but their performance is kind of capped at this point at 2022 level.

[@anpanmlbb]

@@Drifter18903 try check Harmony OS's device optimization. Look at video comparison between Huawei Mate 60 pro vs ip 16 pro max. Even with chip 7nm , they are inevitable .

[@hrznn]

I'd love to get Huawei's OS in central Europe. As a developer, I rage quit Android just a few weeks ago, after years of work put into it, switched to iOS 18, but there's paywalls and lockdowns everywhere, "get a macbook, get a developer subscription, enroll/subscribe/pay/etc, sell your soul, and MAYBE we'll let you develop something". I just want to develop cool stuff for myself. If Huawei has a better dev experience, I'm willing to buy and ship it from China, and even learn Chinese.

[@franklingoodwin]

Good luck with that lol

[@theoteno]

Linux mobile app development is also an option!

[@enchantedrockview]

Why did you rage quit?

[@BoboFerre]

its not worth learning chinese over a phone os

[@lekejoshua4402]

​??

[@borsh2002]

Huawei, back in the days with no ban, was the best phone manufacturer for me. I still have a functioning P9 and a P20 pro, no service involved, no battery swaped, no screen replacement. In his prime P20 pro had one of the best battery usage (in the same time being one of the thinest phone on the market) , one of the best camera , best and smoothest android interface of the world. Too bad gready americans imposed the ban on them, otherwise Huawei would have been the best in the world these days.

[@k1dalhd]

it still is :) used p30 pro, p50 pro, p60 pro now

[@dongshengdi773]

Unfortunately it's a spy company. I prefer Xiaomi but it's also now a spyware . Huawei is overpriced. Xiaomi is best. And not banned

[@kokovin6808]

I'm still using it as a backup phone

[@k1dalhd]

@@jameschalkwig787 Android is not banned on Huaweis, they still use android in Europe and you can install GMS services through microG project :) google it

[@nnnnnn3647]

Chinese apps and OS are total disaster.

[@lltechview]

Got the Beta of HarmonyOS Next (5) on my Mate 60 Pro and can confirm way more fluid system, battery life and camera performance. This OS is a true uograde in many ways. Just the app support for the west is lacking completely for now

[@Daniel_VolumeDown]

What web browser they use? Can you check useragent (also engine)?

[@afuyan]

I wonder if Oniro project is working or not. Since it's shares the OpenHarmony codes, it supposedly to kind of work with HarmonyOS.

[@tonys32948376]

Western countries that have resisted strong-arming by the US to ban Huawei will initially find themselves unable or unwilling to use Chinese apps in the Huawei ecosystem. However, Harmony OS will receive widespread adoption in China. Once that happens, app makers from the West will clamor to get in on the big, new market. It'll be a new gold rush. They'll port their apps to sell to this market.

[@duplicake4054]

I saw some sort of AI assistant in the video. What's that about?

[@oceanwave4502]

I hope HarmonyOS becomes IoT OS, at least for industrial application. If it just mimics what Android is, then not much hope for future. Imagine we can connect cars, house, phone... into one unique ecosystem...

[@Empyrean55]

2:30 Huawei is one of the biggest phone brands here in South Africa, and southern Africa is projected to have about 1 billion people by 2050 so in the long run Huawei will really become a global power house I'm sure

[@maplenerd22]

If you think having South Africa as region is going propel Huawei to global power house, then you're clueless about economics. It's not about how many people a region has, it is about the overall purchasing power of that region. Even with 1 Billion people, it means nothing if majority of those people are living in poverty. Look at India. They are the most populous country in the WORLD. But yet, capturing the Indian market means very little to a business because majority of that country is living in poverty.

[@Empyrean55]

@maplenerd22 dude, People are increasingly investing in India for this very reason. If you invest early and the global population begins to urbanise as current trends suggest, it makes the most sense to start investing now.

[@priyansaikia7461]

India and Investement Destination? That is an oxymoron for life. 😂​@@Empyrean55

[@ContraVsGigi]

The only way for Harmony OS to work is for Oppo, Xiaomi etc. to be forced to use Harmony OS. Initially in China, later wordwide. But I am not sure they would want, Huawei is their direct competitor.

[@alice_agogo]

I thought all Chinese 🇨🇳 brands were pooling together to create a unified OS? Those were the headlines last year or earlier

[@govardhanposina17]

​@@alice_agogothere were proposals made for a china wide OS but it didn't go beyond that

[@龙腾洞观]

Don’t worry, as long as Huawei's HarmonyOS maintains its technological edge and iOS and Android don’t redesign their architectures in the short term, When HarmonyOS demonstrates its advantages in the era of the Internet of Everything, more developers will naturally switch to HarmonyOS in the future. For now, focusing on the Chinese market is enough.

[@felipeemanuel5790]

It's matter of time, the US is going to keep imposing embargo against China to try to stop their development, and China has enough people living there to use their own OS.

[@ContraVsGigi]

@@龙腾洞观 What is that technological edge? We haven't seen anything until now and from what they showed, it is nothing the others don't already have.

[@ericliume]

Obviously many people don't know Huawei's HarmonyOS Next (Harmony OS 5) is based off OpenHarmony OS, which is donated by Huawei to open source society.

[@elivelive]

Interesting

[@testerbot7439]

And many brands can sell HarmonyOS devices soon

[@BBCisSb250]

​@@testerbot7439 HarmonyOS-equipped appliances are already on sale in China, and as for mobile phones, only Huawei's own units for the time being

[@michatroschka]

wow cool, does that mean its a linux system and that you can use the open source version of that on the huawei devices by any chance??

[@testerbot7439]

@michatroschka this isn't linux kernel, HUAWEI made their own kernel called microkernel

[@DrBiBeatz]

Competition is always good. I'm glad China is showing the Middle finger to all tech companies in the west

[@Kirmo13]

I agree with the NFL player. Even if I was disposed to pay exorbitant prices to get the stream (which also has ads btw), it would be much easier and faster to get a pirated version which could also be higher quality

[@llaxus9279]

Tensor g5 is a big let down. Wtf is Google thinking

[@oluwatayo.x]

man it’s so annoying, i really want to move back to android but i don’t like OneUI so google is my only option, but they keep doing this.

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@oluwatayo.x I'm rocking a Pixel 8a(had a 6a before giving it to a family member who still uses it), & for daily usage the Tensor series processors are honestly not that noticeable in a performance hit unless you're outside all day in the heat taking lots of photos with full screen brightness, and it gets hot, my biggest gripe is the lack of an SD card, as I would love to load my phone up with my music collection, and games for emulation when I have time to kill traveling, but having a close to near stock Android UI, and years of updates does make it worth the trade offs though vs. other phones I've owned from companies like Motorola, and Nokia(HDM) in the past at similar price points.

[@videogamenoob100]

​@@oluwatayo.xDo you really need the most powerful chip in your phone though? if it integrates well with Android And is really power efficient, I think that's what most people they get a pixel want

[@YSKWatch]

I think most people including me don't really care what UI, as long as I can use it without any hard to use feature, I'm fine.

[@jevonsims900]

Tech Odyssey already thinking of a way to justify Google's decision to use annoyingly underpowered chips.😂

[@SussySmurf]

Arm's TCS has better design and configuration than what Google does for their in-house chips.

[@lukej7856]

Is Arm TCS bad? Their copy and paste CPUs and GPUs seem very popular

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

​@@lukej7856Used to be, the GPUs are still kinda mediocre. The CPUs have gotten very good. The point is, why would Google bother developing their own CPU cores when they could license better cores from ARM for less money than developing their own (that they still have to pay a license to ARM for).

[@LinuxPlayer9]

Huawei releasing an entire os is a very bold move against Google and Android, but having to use another langage for the apps and not use the Linux kernel maybe goes a little bit too far.

[@ItzMeKarizma]

At least take the linux kernel and modify it to suite your needs. I've got no idea why they thought it would be cool for developers to re-program their app just for them. Well, it might work, but personally I think it'll be hard to push many developers into doing that.

[@YSKWatch]

most mobile app are based on java, flutter, swift, or web based. as long the source code can be compiled to the new OS (except swift probably), that would be fine.

[@jittertn]

Seeing how the linux foundation is banning developers left and right for geopolitical reasons lately I'd say the made the right choice

[@alice_agogo]

​@@YSKWatchCan't these 🧠 ⚰️ devs program on more efficient.C or event C ++?

[@kreuner11]

@@YSKWatch those apps either rely on android apis or only expect android and ios apis, which means that devs would have to put in serious work into supporting this niche os that is not available outside of china

[@mahmoudiamir]

Man i am a long term huawei user and even when its under sanction, and i can confirm that huawei is capable of this promises

[@Dominus_Potatus]

that e-ink after fold made me think, "Why don't Samsung put e-ink display on the front while using AMOLED on the big screen?" I can see that it is a big way to increase its battery life and taking advantage of e-ink under the sun.

[@blisphul8084]

Honestly, a tri-fold e-ink display would be pretty awesome. You can fit a full paper-size display in your pocket for comfortable reading.

[@YSKWatch]

e-ink is slow, it physically flip the flat dot from one side (black) to another (white). general user will never buy e-ink phone.

[@blisphul8084]

@@YSKWatch I don't think people would buy eink for a primary phone, but it could be good as a pocket tablet.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

that would be cool but the problem is foldables are already so niche. imagine how much further niche it would be... You would be ordering such a small amount of parts. That's the problem. you would have very little benefit of economies of scale because it's not like you're going to be able to actively use the front e ink screens for much else. But maybe someday foldable's ever command a higher percentage of the market share

[@OmDahake]

Players not being able to directly access their own records games is wild

[@Klatchan]

Laguna is an interesting codename... They used to use Final Fantasy characters for Chromebook hardware.

[@loopernagic4658]

Laguna is also a place.

[@cryptocsguy9282]

@Klatchan Google knows nothing about video games that's why they screwed up Stadia. Should have made a gaming PC or gaming laptop with chromebook hardware or a handheld console with the tensor chips from the pixel phones inside

[@bandito241]

@@cryptocsguy9282that makes no sense.

[@cryptocsguy9282]

@bandito241 what makes no sense ?

[@YSKWatch]

how laguna compared to cortana?

[@afuyan]

The verge of death? Are you serious? You underestimate the Huawei size. They're not just a smartphone manufacturer. A completely different level compared to Nokia, Ericsson or even Apple. Huawei owns networking equipment manufacturing, they make solutions on mining infrastructure, ship docking infrastructure, forestry infrastructure, autodriving car software and hardware, wearable, IoTs, smarthomes, even few medical softwares, and more. I will not surprised a one day, unexpectedly, just randomly out of nowhere Huawei just make a chip making branch directly competing with SMIC or even TSMC. Huawei is too big, even that famous China's government can't fully contain them. No one can expect their move. Yesterday they make a mobile cellular phone's infrastructure and today they're in an automobil industry and cargo shipping industry, you'll be blown away if suddenly tomorrow you just woke up, reading the tech news and out of nowhere Huawei make their own nuclear reactor on the moon.

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

They're Samsung of China with how many industries they got their hands in, I wish Nokia+Microsoft never gave up on their smartphones and windows phone or symbian/meego that was ahead of time..

[@totallyuselessvideoz]

They are nothing in phone devices. They stay relevant because CCP forces government employees and other under its influence to buy their crap. Don't get me wrong, Chinese individuals and small companies are making exceptional innovative products, but not CCP's shell companies.

[@doujinflip]

Death from the smartphone market, and possibly high-end retail electronics as whole. Much like how IBM is still very much around, but consumers aren’t buying IBM branded gadgets anymore.

[@JassonCordones]

@@Raderade1-pt3om That's what focusing on short term ROI makes you do and why the US is condemned to fall to China

[@Miau-v6e]

Huawei is owned by the CCP

[@ibrahimtouman2279]

1:48, iOS and Android have millions of native apps, but definitely not billions!!

[@oladrolahola]

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised

[@panathatube]

As Gemini said: The number of app downloads or installs can be in the billions, but the actual number of unique apps available is significantly lower.

[@Omar-kl3xp]

Yh like billions is crazy lol and also even if that was the case ,most apps are not apps that people download anyway ,there are so many shit apps that people don’t actually download,the number of apps that people download are probably not even a million.

[@thrumbo]

I look it up and the one that ever got released in playstore is around 10m. But because not all apps is on playstore, and its impossible to count the one that not on there. I'll say it might be around 11m to 15m(take this with grain of salt) unique functional apps ever made out there.

[@adicbn]

And 99% of those apps are genuinely trash 😂

[@MagnusPaul1976]

This smartphone I am watching on right now, is a 4 year old Huawei P30 Lite. I cannot wait for Harmony OS to come to my device. 😊

[@paxdriver]

TSMC's latest node is not longer a proper node shrink, don't forget. 3n is not nanometer anymore - Huawei doesn't need newer than 2 generations because software optimizations will yield greater benefit than tinier hardware can.

[@paularanya8726]

Hey just a heads up! The description is a mess..

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

I don't know if they've edited it, but it's still a mess. I don't know why they don't use periods or semicolons.

[@RealmyTheMan]

you missed that harmonyOS appears to be based on openHarmony, which is actually open source

[@meryplays8952]

But I cannot install it on my Laptop.

[@silkworm_tant]

@@meryplays8952 Actually, since the open source version of OH Standard is Linux-based, so you can. But you may find it hard since not every hardware of your device is designed for OpenHarmony.

[@RogueRen]

If HarmonyOS is open source like Android, I would love to see what community versions could come about similar to custom Android ROMs like Lineage

[@Xi_Jinping_is_Pooh]

Good luck with it being open source. They can't even make their AOSP-Harmony open source.

[@elivelive]

They not going to open source it

[@heehaahoohoo]

@@elivelive HarmonyOS is based on OpenHarmony that is open source

[@heehaahoohoo]

HarmonyOS 5 (Next) = OpenHarmoney (open source) with Harmony core (use to replace Linux core ) + HMS

[@afuyan]

​@@Xi_Jinping_is_Pooh Your ignorance seems has no limit. Never heard about OpenHarmony project in China and Oniro project in EU? They're shares HarmonyOS codes. Many vendors already makes their own OpenHarmony distros.

[@evilleader1991]

First the US bans Chinese companies in using Android with Google Play Services forcing them to create their own OS and now Russian Linux maintainers were removed. Hopefully we can get an alternative desktop OS that is free from all the political BS.

[@cell718]

It's only going to get worse especially with AI. China didn't even want to be a part of the the treaty meeting about AI.

[@taku6157]

Fair man this is all bullshit,

[@silkworm_tant]

HarmonyOS NEXT is progressing extremely fast, you'll like it when it is promoted to the global market

[@o.ruoroch9869]

I'm genuinely curious about HarmonyOS Next on Notebook and Desktop computers and see how they can be used for real productivity.

[@mtxn]

0:45 the language is named "Cangjie"

[@halfmanhuang2029]

nope, harmony next is still using arkts (a modified version of Typescript) as its main application layer developing language, Cangjie language is another story, it would be used to replace C++ in framework layer development, it's still in developing, and it still need at least two years to work.

[@mtxn]

you are right. I misheard the "arkts" as "argts" and searched for a thing that's doesn't exists. I also heard "native" what made me think "Android NDK" and that Cangjie is C++ replacement.

[@halfmanhuang2029]

@@mtxn You are welcome, I've developed applications for Harmony next since sept of 2023, under the beta testing program, started from api9 then api11 and now api12, currently arkts and arkui framework has been quite workable, enough for developing any kind of applications at least, only the native part still has many problem. And I join cangjie inner testing program in two monthes ago, but honestly it is still not stable, need at least two years I guess.Currently, the arkui framework is still programmed by C++, and huawei is planning to push community developers to remake it by cangjie.

[@raymankusal1734]

Serious information, thanks mate for running down all the latest tech releases 🙏Keep up the good work!

[@sahandehteshami7404]

Harmony os success is proof that microsoft should've kept trying with windows phone

[@amirmohamad2270]

I think people tend to forget that Windows phone died mostly because Microsoft didn't push for it hard enough. They like to pretend that Microsoft literally did everything but still failed ( as a point of reference, Microsoft spent less than 15 billion dollars on Windows phone. While they spent 75 billion to buy Activision). I would be able really interested to know why they didn't have faith in their own product.

[@Ndheti]

​@@amirmohamad2270microsoft was competing with apple and Google and the US operational costs are just expensive. Harmony is not facing as stiff competition and cost in China are cheap

[@dand337]

MS had their own design language. HMOS looks exactly like android

[@FandomExpert1970s]

​@@dand337 *based in openharmony

[@QuantumChrist]

Harmony os is the proof that you need to copy paste Android os to be successful 😆✅

[@Russeljrjs]

Huawei really did a good job. I hope in the future they'll become a legit 3rd player in the os world breaking the Androis ios duopoly.

[@JCSY1]

Most people don't really need a lot of apps. What is more critical is to have a few good useful apps rather than millions or billions of apps which most people won't install on their phones anyway.

[@Raja995mh33]

Not everyone has the same use cases. Not everyone would be happy with less but better apps.

[@userre85]

A lot of people use many niche apps.

[@loadmusics7142]

Most apps are country based on android and IOS like India may have apps that are meant for the country that other countries can't access that doesn't Mean the app is not useful, also school apps and the rest harmony os is far far behind and I don't like the naming either

[@franklingoodwin]

@@JCSY1 Not the point. Not everyone in every country uses the same apps. That's why you need a bigger selection of apps. Frankly speaking nobody cares about what apps you use, they care about the apps THEY use. If what you said was true Windows phone wouldn't have flopped. But it did

[@Anankin12]

This is a BS take. Nobody needs that many apps, just like 10 or 20. But only about 5 of those 10 or 20 are mostly the same across all users, the other 5 or 15 are totally different for everybody. For example, I need D&D Beyond to play D&D with friends and it just got borked on my Huawei tablet. I still have it on my Google Pixel, and the site works fine from my PCs both on my Windows desktop and on my Linux laptop, but I do really need it on the tablet because it's the most convenient way of using it while at the table. Do I need 1 billion apps? No. Do I need some pretty specific apps? Yes. Does anybody need 1 billion apps? No. Does the average user need some overly specific niche app? Yes. Not to mention Banks, Public Administration, Museums, Universities all require apps nowadays, and while some of them might add a Huawei version of the app I don't see all of them do it. Are you going to choose your bank based on which OS they support or are you going to choose which phone you don't get based on which OS your fundamental unavoidable application supports?

[@JoshuaMichail0]

I had heard that Qualcomm (QCOM) was ditching ARM (ARM) and making their newest chips using their own architecture. If that's true, then it looks like Qualcomm will do better without ARM, and ARM is just mad and saying "You can't quit because I'm going to fire you!" Wait a minute! Are there actually companies in this world still using floppy disks? I remember them, faintly in the distant past. I think I last used floppy disks back when I was in my 20's which was back in the Victorian Era. I mean, we haven't even used CDs in computers in the past decade. Oh, wait, I work at USPS and the computers there are very outdated.

[@faizanbaber]

Google's flagships does not worth the price tags they shall be $500-800 phones

[@akifrivaldo]

Should be lower like $300

[@sixthousandblankets]

Good grammar 😂😂😂

[@faizanbaber]

@@sixthousandblankets thanks

[@nangongyiyun]

In fact, Harmony OS has an open source system called Open Harmony, which all developers can develop on their own, just like the relationship between AOSP and Android.

[@kbl-m4x]

确实，但是没有任何手机厂家用，目前比较多人都是用开发板尝鲜😂

[@nangongyiyun]

@@kbl-m4x 都是一帮吃现成货的玩意，自己没有开发能力，要等华为把软件生态建设好了才会过来的。所以我根本不看好其他国内任何手机企业。

[@sauzefilms]

C'mon Huawei y'all need to break the Android-iOS software duopoly.

[@fabiz8602]

Kinda reminds me of all the other promising competitors that eventually lost to Apple and google. Blackberry 10, Palm OS, Windows Mobile etc..

[@YSKWatch]

the old loosing to the new.

[@SharunKumar]

Mobile developers having to account for another programming language: ⚰️

[@birkneo]

hate to give the bad news, its not an android competitor. its legitimately just an inferior version of android with a bunch of functionality removed. from what i been reading into, harmony OS is an absolute joke. its still just basic android, with a shiny new skin and almost everything stripped out of it. meaning you cant even install 3rd party apps, as they remove the apk installing functionality. only thing you can install is what they provide on there very limited store, and thats going to be even more limited considering that there removing the play store and everything to do with google. idk why people are so hype for this. its not what you think it is.

[@nimmy404]

Google needs to either use flagship chips or adjust their prices

[@Kris_96]

This is so funny, I was reading the floppy disk story on my phone as you started talking about it

[@zants_]

7:32 I actually owned one of these ring watches maybe 20 years ago. I forget if Timex made it, but I legitimately liked it lol. Surprised it hasn't shrunk down at all though... that one looks exactly like what I had, except mine was gold.

[@LilPersey]

They being like apple now, good 4 them to hv their own closed source system.

[@zlz-h2o]

more competition is always welcome, especially from a non-US company.

[@DePistolero]

They've done their operating system, they are using their chips, they are achieving performance on that to match today's google and ios... and we still question them.... They'll blow others out of the water very soon... WIth cars, and hardware...and the rest...

[@SenileOtaku]

Yeah, the CCP-controlled industries would blow everyone else out of the water... when their ships explode.

[@Souchirouu]

It is only a matter of time when Chinese companies develop a processor that is as good or better than the competition. That's what happens when you actually put the money towards improving the supply chain instead of CEO and investor benefits. Such a marvelous and unique concept!

[@DigitalicaEG]

4:58 wtf was that

[@K3end0]

I remember when the initial US sanctions basically removed Huawei's ability to use good services, i genuinely thought they were dead and any chance at a Huawei OS was a silly pipedream. And now here we are! Insane! Dont think id actually get one of theor devices at least for a few years, but its super impressive.

[@SamJonny-gc5rm]

Harmony is here to stay ❤❤nothing can ever stop huawei not even the USA I heard many people saying nokia tried it, but they failed. What you guys need to understand is that the country behind huawei is different from the country behind nokia, and you can never compare China to Finland, China is called the Asian tiger, the sleeping dragon has finally awakened, it's just a matter of time and you will see harmony Os crush both android and IOS. There's nothing the Chinese can't do. ❤❤

[@daimos6686]

Made In China. LOL😂 No one trust made by China Temu😂

[@pixelgaming7261]

3:36 That chip has the IMG BXM-8-256 GPU, not the DXT-48-1536.

[@Me-64M164NG]

Hey, just a hands up. There's a weird chime noise in the background of this video. You've messed something up with the audio. Try listening on some high quality headphones, it's mainly in the left ear. It's not present in any other vids.

[@Ultranoob1]

Wouldn't it be fun if Huawei phones came back on the market? And get an emulator for Android apps right from the start?

[@bear_eater254]

Remember The US are the ones who forced Huawei into this now it's turning out to be the best thing ever in recent years for Huawei.

[@dand337]

Calm down, HMOS is still nonexistent outside china

[@ajeybs4030]

Nothing can beat my weekly The Friday checkout headlines.

[@dragofand]

It's always funny to me that people talk about google leaks on a google platform lol

[@jevonsims900]

Good, maybe Google will the videos and change their ways...or not.

[@露透社]

当你的选择有限时你只能在厕所吃饭，但造成这种局面的原因或许大家都有责任，大众应该鼓励竞争，尤其政府应该鼓励竞争，给予法律和政策引导。

[@xenon6947]

*Alphabets platform

[@checkma8s]

I hope it can arrange photos in folders. Android just can't arrange the photos

[@Artofizanagi]

I’m rooting for Huawei. Their devices are really good and If I was in China I’d definitely have one of their phones instead of an iPhone. I have one of their tablet and is well put together.

[@larsradtke4097]

No, Huawei phones are more restrictive than iOS now and we all switch away for the other privacy invading stuff.

[@daunas124]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJamYXilqp5knMU

[@Mtho_Dude]

​@larsradtke4097 Most Huawei users who switched did so due to lack of GPS and an uncertainty about the company's future in the early days of the ban. Very little to do with "privacy invading stuff" .

[@birkneo]

hate to give the bad news, its not an android competitor. its legitimately just an inferior version of android with a bunch of functionality removed. from what i been reading into, harmony OS is an absolute joke. its still just basic android, with a shiny new skin and almost everything stripped out of it. meaning you cant even install 3rd party apps, as they remove the apk installing functionality. only thing you can install is what they provide on there very limited store, and thats going to be even more limited considering that there removing the play store and everything to do with google. idk why people are so hype for this. its not what you think it is.

[@Ai-in-Ai]

@@birkneo the game has just begun, pls donot worry.

[@greenlime8726]

Yes, it’s wonderful that there is such OS, but who would need it without play market apps in Europe and US? Like apps of many brands, organization and even e-government services apps don’t run on Harmony OS. Most developers don’t even consider to adapt it’s apps for Harmony OS.

[@bulolo_wilber]

2:22 What a massive opportunity not to be like a certain fruit company with some of the knock off features

[@Helldiver211]

Great joke I though the fruit company was the innovator -every apple fan ever😂

[@bulolo_wilber]

What I meant was, them copying the certain fruit company. Creating a sense of uniqueness, like the fruit company being the fruit company, and Google being Google

[@KK-bk8kj]

Regarding HarmonyOS Next, while Huawei uses microkernel it can also run on Linux so devices supported by opensource linux kernel/distros(postmarketOS) can be ported to OpenHarmony

[@arnabghosh2544]

For your note, west is not "the world" but a part of the world. I hope one day India will also move away from western tech for domestic ones 🇮🇳

[@John7No]

Nuvia was created exactly with this in mind. To create a "design" and be resealed to a big manufacturer/vendor . I am not sure who cannot see this.

[@Skrinklewink]

I wonder how much of that OS is just gutted code from Android.

[@franklingoodwin]

90% of it is. At last it was the last time someone bothered to look at all the code

[@real_rsaNoob13]

​@@franklingoodwin*In house Kernel👀

[@franklingoodwin]

@@real_rsaNoob13 that's why I said 90%. The rest in the kernel and whatever OS tweaks Huawei make. But it is still based on Android unlike TizenOS

[@YSKWatch]

unix kernel like android and ios.this new version is unlike the previous ones, not based on android.

[@birkneo]

its legitimately just an inferior version of android with a bunch of functionality removed. from what i been reading into, harmony OS is an absolute joke. its still just basic android, with a shiny new skin and almost everything stripped out of it. meaning you cant even install 3rd party apps, as they remove the apk installing functionality. only thing you can install is what they provide on there very limited store, and thats going to be even more limited considering that there removing the play store and everything to do with google. idk why people are so hype for this. its not what you think it is.

[@Problematist]

I actually did a survey for the Snapdragon naming scheme which had me rate names like Max, Elite or Pro. Companies really don't know what they're doing.

[@leonard8766]

I can't really see Huawei pulling this off, except maybe within China. The lack of support for APK files is a major dealbreaker, and I have serious doubts about their ability to keep up with maintaining an OS like this, if at all. Watch it will be released, be buggy and have no apps.

[@ultrasrifat1495]

That's why they are not pushing the phone outside china. Gaining Chinese market is enough for Huawei to stay top

[@ilm__0802]

I wonder how other chinese phone companies react to this ..​@@ultrasrifat1495

[@El7r1ME]

There are many countries sanctioned by the US who share the same ambitions with China, to be free of any US-controlled software and hardware, like Iran, Syria and others. I think those countries will be big market for HarmonyOS Next.

[@deez-kun]

well huawei said 99.9% of consumer apps for daily needs in china are already developed. and more apps are on the way. i feel like its gonna take like two years for it to release in global market. they are looking to gain more recognition outside china in the meantime. the partially android version of harmony os has already reached 1 billion devices so i think they can pull it off

[@enryhen6859]

@@leonard8766 I reckon that it won’t. Sure, Android and iOS have long dominated the market, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for a third operating system. Harmony OS is also considered as a tool that represents technological power in politics, and to show the world how capable China really is. Not to mention China has the largest economy in the world. Huawei, a Chinese-based company will absolutely dominate this market, and will definitely continue expand to overseas.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

I strongly doubt that Arm will be granted an injunction against Qualcomm selling their chips.

[@デデザイン]

It is predicted that European and American countries will not use Huawei phones in the future, but more and more people in BRICS countries will use Huawei phones. The biggest obstacle for Huawei to become a super giant is time.

[@daveyendrembam]

I think there will be lots of app shortages. Black berry, Nokia, windows flop at their OS because of lack of apps, it's a nightmare for companies and developers to make 3 or 4 os version of the same app. Lots of app will not be available for harmony OS or Tesla Pi based on raspberry unix.

[@norepinafrina]

I've been a huawei user for the last 5 years. It's TIRING to update apps manually from apk websites; life without Google is possible but so annoying. I don't recommend Huawei to anybody, expecially for gaming

[@real_rsaNoob13]

Which Huawei, the ones that run Emui 14.2 can have MicroG(GMS) installed

[@norepinafrina]

​@@real_rsaNoob13It's not the same feeling as a phone with factory Google Services, over that you will get worse performance in games. Yeah, it's close to having the factory Google Services but it's still missing something

[@Tom-kp8hh]

Even though I won’t be able to use it, due to UK restrictions, I’m all for HarmonyOS thriving. As I’m concerned by the US monopoly on OSs. I wish Samsung and maybe a EU based company would step up to the plate too.

[@xx_peace_xx5300]

I'm really excited about Harmony OS Next. Finally, we have a competitor to Android and iOS. Let's hope it doesn't flop like Nokia Lumia.

[@Bendzsike]

It will. Nobody developed for WP, because Android and iOS had bigger market. Now imagine all these people suddenly developing for an OS that has market only in china xd

[@enryhen6859]

@@xx_peace_xx5300 I reckon that it won’t flop. Sure, Android and iOS have long dominated the market, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for a third operating system. Harmony OS is also considered as a tool that represents technological power in politics, and to show the world how capable China really is. Not to mention China has the largest economy in the world. Huawei, a Chinese-based company will absolutely dominate this market, and will definitely continue expand to overseas

[@franklingoodwin]

​@@enryhen6859There is no room for an OS that is only available in China. That only happens if the Chinese government forces the Chinese to use apps only available on Harmony OS

[@kimakhiangte]

It won't flop. They have around 900 millions active users right now. No sane developers in China will ignore those huge chunk of users by any means. Hoyoverse already confirmed that Genshin Impact will be available natively on Harmony Nxt already...

[@elivelive]

​@enryhen6859 why are you posting this everywhere?

[@johnbrighto]

you know hauwei still runs on a version of andriod. andriod is open source, so they can still gets it. they only thing there aren't able to do is have google services available on the device.

[@ObtuseAcute1]

0:41 "And it doesn't run Android apps either, developers will need to build Harmony OS apps on their platform" sorry bud but that's most definitely not going to be an Android competitor..... ESPECIALLY when Android is open source and who knows what spyware is in this Chinese shit...... Big NO

[@zsydeepsky2]

Harmony OS is based on OpenHarmony which is also an open source project, donated by Huawei.

[@leezhieng]

They provide a project converter which converts your android project files and source codes to Harmony OS code. It may not be 100% accurate and need some manual changes to the code but at least 90% of the jobs have been done automatically.

[@mohdibrahim1350]

Thanks, nice info but the music is distracting

[@Nebarus]

Yes, an OS with a CCP backdoor must be better that Google's og Apple's...

[@yamiyuan1190]

better than a cia backdoor if you don't live in china

[@YSKWatch]

depend on which side you prefer to have your data.

[@AFlyingCookie2024]

Looks at these westerners. They can’t even get the abbreviation right. Looks like Americans are not born with much brain cells. They follow the same western narrative.

[@leezhieng]

What can CCP do with your data? And what can US do with your data? Think carefully, who's nearer to you, who can actually harm you with your data.

[@JR-uy2nd]

Well the simply by changing from Samsung to tmsc will bring a 10% boost in performance with 30% less power consumption. It was what happened to the snapdragon 8 gen 1 and 8 gen 1+ the chip was the same, the just changed manufacturer. Geekerwan have excellent videos about this theme comparing different SOCs

[@rhomboman]

US and China have all these giants and in the EU we have shit. We don't even have Only Fans anymore, they left with the UK.

[@b1onic98]

EU is shit. We are falling and we will fall rly hard

[@ItzMeKarizma]

​@@b1onic98EU can't compete at all in anything.

[@YSKWatch]

when I learned CE, few good books are by European professor. after that no more IT related come from Europe.

[@weesitlee9846]

Not until most of the well-known professional software (MatLab, Mathematica, Solid Work, etc.) can run on a Harmony OS based Huawei computer.

[@matkeyboard8054]

Wait so I have to recode my apps? Wtf, do u even comprehend the resource needed to develop a new ground up native app

[@RarelyCorrect]

You don't "have" to do anything. But if you want to reach HarmonyOS users, then coding an app for them would be the way to do it.

[@thatchinaboi1]

Tell me you are a moron without telling me.

[@Superchunk-k2h]

implying app devs do any actual programming, whatever framework you use will either add an export or it wont

[@YSKWatch]

hopefully flutter will support harmony.

[@TheCommonSenseForRegularPeople]

@@RarelyCorrect You are correct - if app developers do not want to support Huawei users, then they won't need to do anything. But this is a big win for China. Within 2/3 years, this OS will mature, and eat everything else in Chinese phone market. Google and Apple will definitely suck up their thumb. Most of the app developers will also start porting their app for Harmony OS.

[@subasthapa4839]

Now only thing left for huwaei to achieve is match the performance of Apple bionic with in house production capability or without using asml.

[@robertgittings8662]

*"Their technology is like four generations behind" ...like WTH are you smoking their speed is like last year's SnapDragon by AnTuTu using technics like software and hardware optimization ...This is the exact reason I stopped watching this channel*

[@soheiladam7510]

This guy is clearly a hater and propagandist, that's why i don't watch his videos.

[@meryplays8952]

They should become more open. FDroid has a number of apps that can be ported there.

[@fidaulfat589]

this has more problem as countries outside china would not trust it even more

[@julianojosoa2197]

Americans 😂 Do you know that a part from Smart phones EU companies still makes business with Huawei unlike in the US? And this follows the same organisation as Android. OpenHarmony is the base Open Source OS and HarmonyOS contains some closed source apps and services by Huawei. Right now it is still a domestic launch but they are preparing for International launch (EU and Asia) by 2025

[@afuyan]

What a proper smartphone and mobile OS India have been made?

[@fidaulfat589]

@@afuyan Why is India being brought into this conversation? Just because I’m from India doesn’t make that a valid comeback. It’s widely recognized that technology from China faces trust issues globally, and that’s the real point here. Whether India is developed or developing isn’t relevant to this discussion.”

[@fidaulfat589]

I am not American I am not American, but I still wouldn’t trust a mobile OS from China. Let the EU do what it wants; it’s already a satellite state of the US, and if it chooses to become one for China now, so be it. I also have my doubts about the US and wish my country had its own OS, but I would still never trust China over the US.

[@BACA01]

@@afuyan China has not either, the Harmony OS is a clone of a Android.

[@SamuelCoupland]

Thank you for another great update!

[@sweetestson7]

The rush to develop new chips in smartphones is completely useless. Huawei just show us that.

[@DonClark]

Are there any specific release dates for access to the OS for PC or phone? If so, please share links.

[@niamotullah99]

My dream is someday Huawei make this opensource and it kills googles monopoly over AOSP that every other vendors migrating into HOSP

[@antimotivation10]

C'est déjà le cas, une fois que son marché intérieur aura opté pour ce système, les constructeurs comme xiaomi, honor, oppo, vivo, oneplus qui représentent aumoins 70% de fabricants mondiaux mais qui sont chinois, proposeront aussi leurs systèmes sur Openharmony de Huawei et les sanctions américaines vont pleuvoir comme un torrent sur ces entreprises et ça sera le début de la fin du monopole USA

[@jittertn]

Already the case

[@alice_agogo]

​@@antimotivation10only a 🧠 ⚰️ person would buy 🇺🇲 brands Apple 🍎 Tesla Starbucks Google Microsoft Ford 🤮

[@betterlife7609]

Huawei is most likely pursuing the Apple strategy of having a locked OS. And I bet they will succeed because they are collaborating with Shenzhen local government to build apps that are native to the OS. They only need to invest billions (which they have) to create apps that are essential to the normal functioning of the phone. As time goes on, more developers will get on their bus.

[@niamotullah99]

@@betterlife7609 then i see a problems around the world stealing everything everywhere while US tech like Meta, X, Google protecting us from these evils (Specially Meta and Google)

[@WhatUlookinAtbruv]

google ditching samsung fabs is one of the best decisions they have made in a while

[@JoshuaT902]

It would only be a competition if it was developed by anyone, not from china.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

True, what they call it Censorship is considered to Spying for others.. reading and even modifing the content of your things is not acceptable outside China..

[@ultrasrifat1495]

They are not trying to complete in west , instead trying to capture they domestic market

[@enryhen6859]

What do you even mean

[@REDRAWLXZ]

They are not competing with the west bro😂

[@docilelikewintercatfish]

There are a lot of countries outside US dummy

[@chrischokoe6485]

I am in South Africa and we have a full range of Huawei PRODUCTS Including Pura 70 ultra, the only thing we are waiting for is the XT.

[@infinite-king2105]

Bro I can’t even install WhatsApp on my P50 pro. Also can’t even get Google play store

[@Youthure]

I don’t think it will ever become a global competitor to iOS and Android. The app gap is simply too big. They might be able to conquer mainland Taiwan, but it will be difficult to become a real competitor outside of it

[@CGGS_0]

It’s not going to be a global competitor. Since they’re already sanctioned globally

[@RarelyCorrect]

Most people only use a few dozen apps at most, and a lot of Chinese companies that will build for HarmonyOS also sell services outside China (think companion apps for smart home devices, TikTok, EV companion apps, etc.). I think they will need to pour a lot of money into it, basically pay devs to get on board, but they do have a chance. Most people don't care about the "millions of apps" on iOS/Android.

[@YSKWatch]

developer will port their apps to as many OS as possible. apps will not became a problem. if an OS have more than 500 million user, all developer will jumping in.

[@FoxMagi]

As I replied to in another thread, unless the Core is Open Sourced, then I would NEVER install it. The CCP put all their spyware in the Core.

[@williambrasky3891]

@@RarelyCorrectNo, they don’t. Had they used a Linux kernel, still probably no but less so. Had they open sourced it, giving non-Chinese developers some ability to influence decisions around things like feature updates and breaking changes and the like, then maybe (probably not but maybe). As it stands, developing for Harmony OS is guaranteed to be a living nightmare. You’d be dealing with constant breaking changes from bug fixes made necessary by the novel kernel. Stability issues will be a constant problem. You’ll spend a bunch of time attempting to fix stability issues, more than half of which will turn out to be beyond your control as they’ll stem from some problem with the kernel. You’ll never be sure if a bug is on your end or theirs. Half the fixes you make will end up breaking your app on the next update as they fix kernel bugs. Due to the “super app” phenomenon in China, Harmony maintainers will focus on catering to the needs of a (relative) handful of big app developers. This will lead to a development ecosystem poorly suited to the needs of developers outside of China & that goes triple for small, non-Chinese devs. As a developer, you’re expected to deal with all of this and make the switch for what? So your app can be available on a platform no one in your country uses? The future possibility of sales to ppl who accidentally buy a harmony OS device thinking it’s like android, who buy your app before they realize their mistake & return it in exchange for a device that has “their apps?” You’re mistaken. You clearly don’t know enough about this to warrant an opinion. There have been plenty of competitors to android & iOS who thought just as you do. They made sure their alternative OS had access to those few dozen core apps. Not one of them succeeded. When asked why they switched back to iOS or android rather than buying another device running the alternative OS, wanna know customers’ number one cited reason? Lack of available apps. It’s been tried, many times. It won’t work outside of China.

[@CVM174]

I think they're aiming those OS to compliment on their 32bit Kirin devices which they're secretly releasing.

[@nathanhayball]

They made a OS from scratch and still chose to copy Apple's design language 🤦

[@小主-m5d]

In order to make new users get started better

[@ra.japanfrcs4274]

Next step of china to ban apple so they pulling ppl from ios to Chinese rom by giving ios like user experience and feel

[@zuneid375]

​@@小主-m5dMakes whole sense

[@mikepeligro]

Qualcomm needs to start designing RISC-V chips

[@KMASIF-mi9yj]

Props to Huawei. Its hard to develop an os in 2024. I Still have low expectations but if anyone can and has the resources to do so its them

[@SR-pr2xz]

Openharmony will be available on nonharmony devices. Waiting for other chinese manufacturers to switch. Will be nice to not have Gboard keylogging

[@angelestupinan7302]

Huawei hasn’t done anything. We have to see before we can take it for granted. This company once said that they developed a new OS from the ground up and it just ended up being Android but without any reference to Android. They also claimed they developed a 7nm chip that ended up being like a 14nm chip, so I wouldn’t take anything they say for granted

[@kamsunleong6648]

You don't. Their 7nm chip has already been analysed indepth and confirmed it is, by TechInsight , an authoritative information and analysis platform for the semiconductor industry, based in Ottawa Canada. You can also wait for their Mate 70 series to be released in November, to see what's inside.

[@leezhieng]

The latest version of HarmonyOS NEXT has completely dropped android kernel. It was a transitioning period for app developers to port their app to non-android environment.

[@saellenx3528]

I even belived you untill your 7 nm chip bs argument that has been confirmed. Good try Jimmy but try better next time.

[@birkneo]

ive done a deep dive into harmony os, its not an android competitor. its legitimately just an inferior version of android with a bunch of functionality removed. from what i been reading into, harmony OS is an absolute joke. its still just basic android, with a shiny new skin and almost everything usefull stripped out of it. meaning you cant even install 3rd party apps, as they remove the apk installing functionality. only thing you can install is what they provide on there very limited store, and thats going to be even more limited considering that there removing the play store and everything to do with google. idk why people are so hype for this. its not what you think it is.

[@Rex-ww4cw]

​@@birkneois copy and pasting the same thing all over the comments nesesarry? It does make you look like you're really butthurt about this news.