Huge changes to army building! - Army lists review for the new edition

[@darraghcornally8900]

Great video guys! Nice to see such positivity about the new addition, I'm really looking forward to it. Unfortunately I don't have the books yet but I noticed in a leaked profile the dwarf King now has different states depending on the faction key word they get , don't know if its in the hobbit armies book but it seems to me dwarves might get a list like the realms of men where you can take dwarf kings with warriors from different factions, if this is the case then that is by far the army im most looking forward to! Hopefully we'll get that in the armies of middle earth book

[@r31n0ut]

I just want to see whoever draws the short straw tell sauron that he's not allowed to take catapults in his army.

[@StridingEdgeGames]

Sounds like a good time to draw straws 😅

[@nilssaugen2303]

Great video, keeping a positive spin on s not so positive developement. While we’re transitioning from having a wide array of options for army building to a pool of 70-100 predefined lists, the reality is much worse than it seems. Most of these narrowly defined lists won’t even work at every point level, so the actual selection is laughably small. Once the community figures out which lists have the most overpowered bonus rules, you’ll end up seeing the same few lists over and over at tournaments. Sure, the specific lists might vary slightly depending on the points level, but the end result is the same: variation will be almost non-existent, and the game will get stale and boring faster than ever.

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

I second this statement

[@StridingEdgeGames]

Thanks, and yes I do see people's point, we have had a step backwards in terms of what is possible in list building at the moment. The question is whether the other improvements, and the upcoming book(s), will remedy that, we think there's a really good chance they will, and really hope everyone comes out happy in the end. Personally I really trust the overall judgement of the core rules writing team, GW's communications strategy, perhaps not.

[@AustinBecht]

Worth noting that Rivendell Elves (and Galadhrim, for that matter) actually can take shield and sword. One of the very few instances that they have allowed something that the models don't. Also, GW themselves have said that Armies of Middle Earth will both bring some new lists and slot new profiles into the lists in these two books.

[@StridingEdgeGames]

Ah that's really interesting! Something to keep an eye on for sure!

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

Can you point out where they said so? I want to spread the words to my community!

[@Jedi.Bricks]

a wizard is never late!

[@GlennMusson]

I notice that your pile of old edition supplements is missing a few books! 🙂

[@StridingEdgeGames]

Haha yes, some were elsewhere for filming, and some we are still hunting for!

[@ajtame]

3 Rulebooks were made for the people, but they were all deceived, for there was a 4th rulebook an armybook to rule them all.

[@Jedi.Bricks]

brilliant!

[@gavinsmith51]

Yea! Where can I find the list for angmar? I’m just getting into it and my new army manual doesnt include those stats and lists…

[@Jedi.Bricks]

@ new FAQ posted for angmar few days ago

[@StridingEdgeGames]

Hopefully it really will rule! :D

[@Yomolink]

Do you think Isengard Battlehost is a good place to start in MESBG 2025? I have never played a wargame before. Thanks a lot :)

[@StridingEdgeGames]

If you're interested in Isengard as a thematic list, it's absolutely a great starting point, the groups of Uruk Hai are solid, and Saruman looks like a great caster this edition (plus a lovely model). And if you can find it elsewhere even cheaper it's a real bargain.

[@MrForsaken5]

for an hour long show, it would be great if you guys added markers so new viewers could skip to the parts they wanted to hear about.

[@gabethefish7585]

Pelenor 2: Imrahil Boogaloo

[@GlennJackson-d8e]

GW uses new editions to force people to buy new books with slight changes.

[@darraghcornally8900]

Great video guys! Nice to see such positivity about the new addition, I'm really looking forward to it. Unfortunately I don't have the books yet but I noticed in a leaked profile the dwarf King now has different states depending on the faction key word they get , don't know if its in the hobbit armies book but it seems to me dwarves might get a list like the realms of men where you can take dwarf kings with warriors from different factions, if this is the case then that is by far the army im most looking forward to! Hopefully we'll get that in the armies of middle earth book

[@StridingEdgeGames]

Thanks! Our aim isn't to take a particular stance on any of this, we're genuinely really excited for a new edition and everything it'll bring, but acknowledging that it's a period of adjustment for a lot of folks and that's going to be a pain! Dwarfs (like Humans) do look like they have a list where they can be lead by 'Kings' which could be super interesting!