Huge Class B RV Show! (Most Vans we've ever shown on a Ram Promaster!)

We went to the Ultimate RV Show at the State Farm Stadium in Glendale AZ! We decided to show you every Class B on the RAM PROMASTERS at this show! And if you are in Arizona the RV Show is until December 10th 2023.
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Episode 107 | Filmed December 2023 | VAN LIFE VLOG |#classbrv #rvshow #vanlife

[@nlswh]

I always look forward to your RV reviews. They are not "salesman" reviews, but real world/ people reviews. Your tips on what to look out for are very helpful, details I would not pay attention to. Good job.

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you! This means a lot to us!❤️

[@williamgildea8348]

These are some of my favorite types of videos. Getting closer to buying a van and this truly helps to make a better decision

[@Vancaskeys]

Awesome!!!

[@TrishBenedict]

This video has been out for three months and someone has probably already posted this, but just in case… That "bidet" in the Travato K is actually a toilet rinser for cleaning it out. For obsessive people, IMHO. I find that you can get the bowl perfectly clean with just some wet paper towels. But it's cold water so you're not gonna want it on your bottom side. Our 2020.5 Travato G had one, as well. It only works when you step awkwardly on the flush pedal, so you're wasting a whole lotta water just to get the toilet bowl marginally cleaner. We tried using it for about a week and realized we had to stop and empty the black tank much sooner than we were anticipating, so we never used it again. I consider it a waste of money. But that's why we got rid of the G and got the Solis Pocket. There were so many things on the Travato that we never used. The generator. The TV, the TV, Wineguard antenna thingie on top, the cheesy, hard to figure out Jensen stereo. The TV and the stereo took up two entire spaces that could've been storage. And there were so little storage in the G and most of it was inaccessible by a short person like me. You would have less problem but I couldn't reach over the bed, and I couldn't crawl under the bed easily. Happier with the wee Pocket, although it's pretty small for two of us.

[@DuckDiaries]

Awesome episode. Your lipstick, even better! 😎

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you!

[@KG-xf9ew]

New Thor Tellaro nearly burned my entire house down. By the grace of God the spontaneous electrical fire started on my driveway and not in my garage at night or while we were gone. Thor is a brutally ruthless company

[@dwoodygura]

Wish we had good RV shows like you have in Phoenix. After 2 years of research we chose the new Winnebago 59K and picked it up 2 weeks ago. We love it!

[@Vancaskeys]

Congratulations!!!!!!

[@teresacollinspassionatelynuts]

Thanks

[@Vancaskeys]

❤

[@WitnessTheGreatestShowOnEarth]

Just love the honesty. It really does help in our decision making. Getting closer to pulling the trigger on a class B.

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you! Very exciting!

[@lorasager8153]

Thanks for the review!

[@Vancaskeys]

You are welcome!

[@thevagabondonwheels4918]

Honestly, Winnebago badly needs to step up their cabinet game. I have looked at them in person and they certainly are reasonably well-made, but it basically looks like laminated pressboard stuff. If they put cabinets like Coachmen puts in their Novas in the Travatos, it would make them a lot more attractive and seem a lot less dated.

[@Rjhaack]

When the bathrooms are so small in Class B's why have a sink, just use the one in the kitchen.

[@Vancaskeys]

Agree!

[@patrickmulligan7994]

Thanks for the very informative video .😊

[@Vancaskeys]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Squarekn0t]

Because Cap'n Rick likes blue!

[@michaelsmith9308]

I bought my Thor 18m for 64,000 new at the show:) its small, and if you are handy with small fixes your all set!

[@Vancaskeys]

Awesome!

[@Pinky121971]

You Guys Rock Thanks for sharing! Happy Camping.

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you!

[@LEGOminiac]

Fun and great video as always. Really appreciate your real world and candid comments on RVs. I was at that same “show” as well when I was in town for work. I went to see the Solis Pocket’s new floor plan with the bathroom and disappointed there weren’t any on display. Truth be told, it’s not really a show but LaMesa just trying to sell RVs. I wish there was an actual RV show nearby like a traditional auto show with ALL the manufacturers. Leaning toward Coachmen or Winnebago Keep up the great work - always look forward to your videos. And enjoy Bob gushing about the Sprinter vans - especially Storyteller. 😂

[@greycaribou]

Ok. I love the blue! I am SO GLAD someone finally put some color on these ugly colored vans. Every single one is grey, black or white if a personal build. Think outside the box! Why be boring? And wow, so many identical layouts, glad you had this video to show the inside.

[@markniblett4857]

Great job folks. As always Bob you rock (thanks to Hillary).

[@Vancaskeys]

Thanks Mark!

[@kaykaykayak9368]

Thanks for showing the variety and pricing! Nice hint about counter

[@thom_lester]

nicely done video you two. I will say, that 'walking' through these PM floorplans vicariously reinforces my love for the custom build my wife & i have in our PM 159RB. We have forgone the full-time bathroom idea with one that is all stored in a small closet with all necessary items. Our bed is east-west as we are comfy on a 50" x 75" latex/froli setup. Kitchen area has SS counter top(s) of 5' on driver side, + 2' on passenger, + a 30" removable table between the front swivels. The storage is waaaaay beyond anything seen in the rigs you walked us through! OK, i'm biased, but there can be so many pros for having a small-custom shop build one's own idea of what works in a van this size.

[@priceisright3004]

This is my preferred way to shop. Thank you . 😊

[@Vancaskeys]

You’re welcome 😊

[@zakmilas]

Excellent! Ithink youshould the same thing for Mercedes as well.

[@Vancaskeys]

We agree!

[@michaelfishkin4332]

Thx 4 da review

[@Vancaskeys]

You’re welcome!

[@martykong3592]

:) WOW! That was a LOT of RV's you covered! I think The Travato or Road Trek would be great, especially the Po-Top :) ALL the BEST and safe travels! Cheers!

[@Vancaskeys]

Thanks Marty! Hope you are doing great!

[@creationsfromlace6894]

Great job! Always enjoy your videos 😊 Wish you would have been able to substitute Coachmen Nova for the Thor 😉

[@cheryllundholm8779]

Great Reviews! I learned a lot, actually!

[@Vancaskeys]

Glad to hear it!

[@Sandy410NJ]

Nice reviews. FYI for the Roadtrek Play SRTwith the sofa bed in back: The ottomans or side seats are pulled together in the middle. This gives you a large bed to sleep north/ south. This is true with any class b with reclining sofa bed

[@Vancaskeys]

Thanks for the info!

[@bryanwinter3289]

Travato 59K all the way. I wish you had shown the Winnebago Solis Pockets 36a and 36b. Very minimalist but competition to the thor Rize.

[@Vancaskeys]

We need to show a few Solis Pocket's next time for sure.

[@crinagrewel6936]

you need to look at the MAD Legend. Happy Holidays!

[@joecutro7318]

Thanks for taking us along again! No wonder you needed lunch by the end of 10 reviews, that looked like a labor of love you guys! That's even before editing! Good info. Too bad it seems that although showing some improvement, Thor is still cutting corners, but I think their pricing fills an open nitch. Thanks again. 👍🏼🙏❤️

[@dokken08]

We are on our second Travato K and the only thing i would trade it for is a Storyteller. We love it.

[@Vancaskeys]

So awesome! Jealous!

[@fbr65]

I really enjoy your channel and the visits to the RV shows. We’re still building out our DIY Sprinter van so I often get ideas for our van. We currently use our van to travel for work out of town 2 days a week.

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you! Very cool! We would love to build one one day.

[@TeacherTonya74]

The Roadtrek Zion looks like an ice cream truck!

[@Vancaskeys]

Hahaha! Yes!! Now I can’t unsee that!

[@13redwoodlaneusa7]

Hey there, we normally attend that RV show every year. We missed it this year. Thanks for the tour. It’s funny that before we found your channel, we passed on all the vans. Now we make it a point to go in them and ask….do you think Bob and Hillary would like this. lol.

[@nestornugpo7487]

New sub here & thanks for sharing✌✌✌

[@Vancaskeys]

Welcome!!

[@stuartstuart866]

I think I agree on not needing a sink in a tiny bathroom when you have a kitchen sink to use. No one seems to cover the Ram Promaster itself, like safety features such as cameras, lane warning, phone charging pad, etc. And no, the Promaster vans are not the same as the trade vans, I got that information directly from a class B manufacturer.

[@JacquieRogersBooks]

The blue and white one looks like a bread truck.

[@Vancaskeys]

Haha! True!

[@heatherlucero2530]

I wish the winnabego 20k had a pop top. That’s still my favorite! It’s got decent storage under the passenger side bed.

[@Vancaskeys]

Agree!

[@kenp4464]

Appreciate the walk throughs. Be similar floorplans for the Transit chassis I'd guess. Would never own a sprinter. A couple hundred dealers vs 10 thousand.

[@Vancaskeys]

Good Point.

[@dannidunn9302]

Bob’s favorite is the Storyteller.

[@Vancaskeys]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@hideawayhomesllc5103]

Enough RV shows and DIY projects. When is the last time you actually went camping?

[@Vancaskeys]

We were just in California camping. We don’t film all our trips. But stay tuned because next week we are in Mr. lemon!

[@hideawayhomesllc5103]

Looking forward to it!@@Vancaskeys

[@dannidunn9302]

Would love to see you guys check out the Coachman Novas.

[@Vancaskeys]

We would love it if these darn shows would have them! It’s so frustrating. But not to worry we have plans to go to new shows next year and we will see them!

[@shirleyharvey7376]

There’s no rv shows close to me so I really enjoyed this.

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you for saying this! This is a huge reason we do it. ❤️

[@Smitty_Tube]

Have you guys seen or reviewed the Coachmen Nova 20D yet? I'd love to you hear your opinion on that particular van.

[@lynnmehringer4498]

One month owners of '23 Travato 59k in Wis., anxiously waiting for spring and memory making. We might attend our first RV show next weekend, just because. 😊

[@Vancaskeys]

That is awesome! We are jealous of your Travato 59k! We hope you make lots of amazing memories in it!!!

[@lynnmehringer4498]

​@@Vancaskeys😊

[@Lt184]

We all know when it comes to a MB chassis, Bob’s favorite has to be , STO Beast… 😁

[@Vancaskeys]

Haha! Bingo!

[@MrMikelotter]

Can you do some reviews on the Mecedes Benz chassis. Not fan of Pro Master chassis.

[@TraderChick]

First!! ❤ RV shows look fun

[@Vancaskeys]

👏👏👏👏❤️

[@Rashnak66]

Bob has a Story to Tell about his favorite van.... and... FYI a huge benefit of the upgraded Promaster chassis for 22+ wasn't mentioned- it has a new 9 speed transmission (upgraded from 6 speed in previous years)

[@Vancaskeys]

Hahahaha!!! True. Ok..you are right but in fairness Bob did mention that but I (Hillary) cut it out...I am the editor and I was trying to keep the video under 30 minutes. Darn it. I didn't even realize I cut it out until it was too late. But thank you for sharing!

[@Rashnak66]

@@Vancaskeys editing is a thankless task- so.... thanks!

[@Vancaskeys]

@@Rashnak66 Thank you!

[@user-dr2js7bv2i]

The van with The ugly blue color is a bad joke! Most of the vans are so similar, I think you have to go up in price to get a nice one that you can shower in without cracking you head or elbows.Thank for tour, I would enjoy going myself, but have mobility issues.

[@Vancaskeys]

Haha! It is right! We are happy we could bring you along!

[@traveldreamer4616]

It is disappointing to see the build quality from Thor. As the buy up many companies, I worry about the future of the quality of the brands. You both do a great review. Which B van do you find the widest width of the entry door? Many utilize the entryway for the galley, reducing the doorway. Asking because I would be accessing it via wheelchair. Would love your honest opinion. Thanks

[@thoneycutt8761]

Winnebago has a class b van with wheelchair access named the roam.

[@pennymoore88]

I like ram pro master 😊 new to channel

[@Vancaskeys]

Welcome aboard!

[@jim-uu2db]

Love your friendly and happy attitude. I can see you being very successful in your jobs.

[@Vancaskeys]

Thank you so much!

[@lizzym9029]

You guys are so much fun to watch! You give honest unrehearsed feedback which is appreciated 😊

[@Vancaskeys]

Awww thanks!!!!❤️😃

[@kylepifer9509]

Travato 59kl ❤ nothing else X.

[@Vancaskeys]

👏👏❤️

[@art_of_jing]

Did they have the Winnebago Roam OC?

[@Vancaskeys]

They did not. Sadly.

[@277kne]

This is a good showing of the Class B rvs on the Promaster. You should continue with videos on the Sprinter and Transit. You guys should consider a 59k floor plan on a Transit. The Transit is taller and longer. Maybe make a video comparison on the 59k and Sprinter and Transit.

[@Vancaskeys]

Transit are so hard to find at these RV Shows. But we totally agree and would love to do a video on each. Great idea :) Also, we agree...if we were to do a 59K it would most likely be on a Transit. Way more room for us.

[@277kne]

@@Vancaskeys I'm thinking you guys are interested in a 2 twin beds with rear bathroom. There are some with a front bathroom,rear twin bed. Maybe you can stop at some RV dealers and make a few videos of the Transit ones.

[@DVaccarelli1988]

@@Vancaskeys I'm surprised that none of these RV companies have built out a Class B camper van out of a super high roof Ram ProMaster yet.

[@muchen2003]

Where is coachmen Nova?

[@Erica_Brenda]

The slumber looks like the ladder should lean to the opposite side. and the overhead cabinets look like very low quality. I could see one of the corners of the door has a separation already. :(

[@Vancaskeys]

Yeah...agree.

[@rvnut1133]

Here in the US manufacturers are building the cheapest and most underwhelming RV’s l’ve seen; all about profit instead of quality. I am leaning towards having mine build privately from a van conversion company. They are building good quality and beautiful vans plus I need a fixed bed. Not playing Tetris in order to go to sleep and not sleeping on a twin bed, I think I was eight years old last time I slept on one of those.

[@WitnessTheGreatestShowOnEarth]

I've been checking out Titan van conversions, quality, quality, quality.

[@rvnut1133]

I will check them out. Thanks for the tip. I have also been checking out Drifter Vans as well.

[@WitnessTheGreatestShowOnEarth]

@@rvnut1133 Wow, Drifter Vans also very nice, thanks.

[@FunWithBricks1932]

I love your videos, they are very helpful. One thing I always wonder about is how I would fit on the bed. Maybe you could lay down in the beds next time.😊

[@Vancaskeys]

Will do next time!

[@Patrick_Ross]

Watched the entire video waiting for the Solis Pocket 36A and the 36B. Were they not present at the show?!

[@Vancaskeys]

Sorry! No they had none 😭

[@Patrick_Ross]

@@Vancaskeys - Bummer! Especially with all of the hullabaloo about the 36B, one would think they’d be showing it off!

[@Vancaskeys]

Agree!

[@annwebster-lang3320]

I did as well

[@annwebster-lang3320]

Very bummed… looking into purchasing a 36A and would love your honest opinion🙂

[@gwenclark2931]

@Vancaskeys, would you ever consider getting a Class B+ motorhome?

[@Vancaskeys]

Yes 🤣

[@jamestreanor182]

the cheap thor for $80k has it all

[@Rashnak66]

except its a Thor. This couple call their Thor Mr Lemon, and I've had nothing but problems with my Thor Tellaro. advice = Don't buy a Thor.

[@Vancaskeys]

It’s a great layout for the right person.

[@stevelovescars]

I would like a van that can comfortably carry 4 on a roadtrip. The small passenger bench seats don’t look comfortable (my boys are 19 and 14, so not little). You don’t mention them, but it appears that some of the models with the twin beds have seatbelts on the side-facing benches. But with the movable cushions, I wonder how comfortable they might be for longer trips. Any thoughts? We aren’t necessarily looking to sleep 4, but it would be nice to be able to use the van for travel.

[@Vancaskeys]

I will say in our Tellaro 20a we have two seats behind the driver seat and our boys (23 & 20) cannot fit comfortably. The bucket ones in the back that we saw with seatbelts would probably be the most comfortable.

[@stevelovescars]

The van with the power sofa/bed in the rear facing forwards looks like a great option if there are seatbelts back there. @@Vancaskeys

[@wkw4095]

The numbers are in..... Class B's are doing HORRIBLY!!!! NOT SELLING!!!!! I was surprised to see this!

[@RedwoodsAndRain]

You had said before that your favorite Promaster is the Coachmen Nova 20RB…now the Tellaro…so which is it?

[@Vancaskeys]

The Tellaro is not our favorite...we own a tellaro. We love the Travato...would want it on the Transit...but we also absolutely love the Coachmen Nova. We cannot find one at a show in Arizona. It's so frustrating.

[@Squarekn0t]

My daughter has the Tellaro 20 J ( J is for JUNK) 20,000 miles and it falling apart, leaks in the water tank has soaked the floor boards, the contact paper on the panels is all rolling off, problems with the Bar meter, cheap lock on the gray water compartment didn' make 20 miles from the dealers, the latest is a bearing noise from the alternator. Dodge dealer advised her that Thor altered the factory alt when they installed the larger alt. She then took it to an RV service center, they told her ,yes it does not sound good and will fail soon but right now it is still producing voltage so they cannot change it out. She is getting ready for a 1.400 mile trip to Florida and is not comfortable with this situation. The seal on the pop top stuck to the caulk on the van deck and now pulls the gasket off when you raise it up. She hurts her back trying to get her mountain bike up on the head cracker of a bike rack. I wish she would have gone for the Coachman Nova 20RB which came out a month after she bought this ten year mortgage!

[@Rjhaack]

I have to agree, that blue on the RoadTrek is, U.G.L.Y. it ain't got not alibi

[@Vancaskeys]

Hahahaha!!!! 👏👏👏

[@HADJEE]

Particleboard swells up far more than plywood.

[@Vancaskeys]

👍🏼

[@Davefromcanada411]

Wow.. that Roadtrek exterior "Not to my taste" - Dave from Canada

[@Vancaskeys]

Haha! Agree!

[@sherrieventuri5124]

Missing the Coachmen and Jayco and Entegra all have promaster models.

[@Vancaskeys]

They do…just not at this show. And we would much rather show those models!

[@DVaccarelli1988]

@@Vancaskeys I did notice one Entegra Ethos Ram ProMaster van at one point in the video.

[@Vancaskeys]

@@DVaccarelli1988 You are right. We showed the Entegra Ethos Li :)

[@DVaccarelli1988]

@@Vancaskeys Thanks!

[@davekent20]

Great video I wish no sink in bathrooms it's a waste of space.

[@thevagabondonwheels4918]

Intech does that in their smaller travel trailers. They have very roomy wet baths partially because they don't bother putting in a sink. In something as small as a B, you really don't need a second sink or, alternatively, have a fold-down sink a la the rear bath models. I'm not sure why they only put folding sinks in rear baths and never in side baths. Plus, in those Roadtrek bathrooms I don't even see how you could stand up in them to shower as their is virtually no floor to ceiling gap at all between the sink and the toilet.

[@davekent20]

@@thevagabondonwheels4918 intech is a great company I wished they made a class b

[@CD-sz7tf]

Yeah, the thought of watching someone brush their teeth, shave, wash their face, or washing their hands after taking a giant stinky "job", in the sink I prepare my food in, I think the one foot that the bathroom sink takes up, I'll just lose 10 pounds and not worry about the space.

[@thevagabondonwheels4918]

@@CD-sz7tf That's fair, but when the difference in that sink being there is anyone taller than 5'6" being able to comfortably sit on the toilet or take a shower, its a fair trade-off to keep your sink clean. Also, don't "prepare" food in the sink. Even at home, I consider the actual surface of my own kitchen sink to be less than sanitary. I would *never* take food straight from the sink surface to a plate or bowl.

[@gregoire8376]

They say you get what you pay for ... but Holy S÷*"t Batman do you ever pay a lot now to get wood under Formica!

[@Erica_Brenda]

You say, "Were in a van. What do you expect?" I'd say for $134,000 I would expect a lot! Looking at it as if I built it? I could do a LOT better with that much money. To me, it looks like they have around $50,000 profit built into that van. :(

[@Vancaskeys]

I mean..your not wrong!

[@robsmith2647]

Sprinter all the way!!

[@maxhine3550]

Thanks so much for this! I want this type of Class B, but the rear door with windows looks like a draft/insulation issue. Not sure why this is so common in rear bath models (or next to the beds 🥶). Another major issue is side facing seating when trying to replace a car with 5 belted forward facing seats. 🤔 Maybe an interior like the Solis Pocket with a pivot bath would solve both problems. How hard is it to make a Class B warm and dry (bath)? Instead of pop-tops it is possible to add a bed without risking leaks/heating issues with a basic pull-down like Wingamm models or this MTC build kzbin.info/www/bejne/faLIk36Onsl7arM. Not sure where manufacturers are getting input on what buyers really want.

[@user-zq7pj2gf5f]

Enjoy your channel( more when you are actually out camping ) . But I do have to say it’s hard to watch when the camera is moving around so fast . It gives me motion sickness .

[@Vancaskeys]

Sorry about that. We will try to do a better job. And next weeks video is a camping one!

[@Erica_Brenda]

That one with the blue accent looks like something out of the 50s. Very retro looking and I agree, I don't like it at all..

[@Vancaskeys]

Haha! You are right!

[@james-rd4dq]

Come on people quit buying RV's at RV Shows there still over priced. Yes it looks like a deal but there not. I saw one that you showing in these video that was selling for $55K used and only a few months old. I can't believe people pay this much money for a sardine can. I bet you lunch you lose half the value once it's driven off the lot even if you went around the block. sorry my opinion.

[@dgpatter]

Neither Einstein or Hawking were as smart as the average illiterate person believes themselves to be.

[@thestooges333]

People selling rvs want what they paid for them, they think they don’t depreciate. Especially the Covid buyers. Now they’re in debt and wanna get out. But won’t lower their prices.

[@glennaugello2560]

they are all the same ram sucks the transmission is going to let go before 25000 miles

[@rich52201]

The minimal reviews per unit is annoying. You just don’t come across as authentic.

[@Vancaskeys]

We can appreciate your feedback. The video originally was almost two hours...we actually spent a lot of time in each van...we try and keep our videos under 30 minutes. :)