HUGE Class Balance Changes Are Coming To ESO! (Update 43 Patch Notes)

PLUS Nightblade Rework, Vampire NERF, & Scribing BUFFS!
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[@HackTheMinotaur]

These changes are BIG! What do you think?

[@doodlegoose2262]

I think they try too hard for “balance” because usually what they call balance is not balance

[@DavidYohnson]

Vampire Undeath Passive Nerf I Despise It

[@doodlegoose2262]

@@neubsi8243 it changes quarterly, and because most mmorpgs do the same thing

[@taylorfusher2997]

To HackThe Minotaur: They should make a mod for Elder Scrolls: Skyrim anniversary edition for PlayStation 4 that you play in a area in Alikr’s desert with sand dunes. The castles in Elder Scrolls online must have accurate castle designs from historical castles in Europe and medieval times. A true castle has a moat and a drawbridge. Why is there no fortresses in Alikr’s desert? Some castles should be on top of a mountain with a stone bridge. You must have defenses against siege towers and battering rams. It also must have defenses against small hand held battering rams. We must be able to fight on horseback in Elder Scrolls online. Elder Scrolls online should be bloody like Skyrim. You should be able to cut people’s heads off in Elder Scrolls online. Alikr’s desert must have some crop fields near Sentinel city in Elder Scrolls online.

[@drakelance7182]

Yeah they are big and just ruined my 3 main toons Nightblade Templar and World Boss killing pet Sorc guess now have to play useless Necro more

[@cameronbachman8161]

Necros "buff" is like a parent saying they spoil their kid by allowing them to eat food

[@jordanparis964]

Not exactly no, it is a buff. Regardless of scale it is still a buff.

[@-zer0_]

@@jordanparis964 I get what you mean by strictly getting into the meaning of "buff" still, it's a low bar.

[@frostydax]

hahahhaha

[@JGburneraccount]

​@@jordanparis964 Dw it's just a joke man you don't need to make it literal.

[@danhensley]

Necro is a step in the right direction but they still need a sticky dot and longer/permanent summons.

[@brandansass897]

I think necro scyth and Templar jabs/sweeps should both be more like rending slashes. Direct damage + a dot and maybe a status effect like hemorrhaging. Or a poisonous scyth that hits a poison dot

[@frostydax]

100% agreed. this is the worst and most boring necro of any game I've played.

[@StarOfElyon]

Necros got.... the bare minimum. But at least they are the bare minimum that we've been specifically asking for. These skills still have problems (that we have brought up on the forums again and again). PvP players aren't going to stand in your tether's AOE. Not only that, but we aren't going to stay in range of our own AOE. We're going to have to stay mobile, so these immobile skills are still a problem. The class still doesn't have a sticky DOT. And I want the blastbones skill cost being determined by the highest resource. But what we got is better than nothing.

[@utah710]

Hey hey. What about the super that revives you’re dum a teammates? Class complete

[@rednecksniper4715]

100% they fucking hate necro man. Like how the hell did spirit mender not get an increase timer???

[@elderwiz3165]

I don't think PvP was addressed..

[@elderwiz3165]

@@rednecksniper4715 Increasing the timer would ruin the rotation on my necro PvE tank. It must be 10s, that's when I refresh all the other corpse generators. The faster the better.

[@rednecksniper4715]

@@elderwiz3165 no it would you just wouldn’t have to reup it as often 🤣.

[@Infinigeek-Host-Zero]

The undeath passive I can see giving 15 or 20 percent max to be more reasonable. Dropping down to 10 seems drastic

[@BBRocker75]

I am a casual necromancer, cuz i love the necro idea, is refreshing know about these updates. Necros really deserve more love from ZoS cuz they have all love from players.

[@UselessSpen]

As a necromancer only player, I'm very happy.

[@inkognitopracholochos]

As a only necromancer player too i want little bit more but its still better than another NERF 🤟

[@MurderTurtle]

My endless patience as a dedicated necro fan has been rewarded. Finally! I'm VERY happy

[@kadhemchaabene318]

You absolutely cannot be serious right now... This is barely a buff. The class is by far the weakest, it needs a LOT more work to be on par with anyone else, this is very very minor..

[@BA-xx2us]

@@kadhemchaabene318necro main… big pvp player … nothing can replace blastbones nuke nerf …

[@kadhemchaabene318]

@@BA-xx2us same man, same :') Just hearing the term "blastbone" hurts nowadays...

[@matthewlucas9830]

@@BA-xx2usI say the exact same thing! I feel like Necro is just dying hard now :( EC, HA and PVP I run and just sucks tbh.

[@Dre-dc1jh]

​@@BA-xx2usNot much of a nerf tbh

[@Max-ej4oh]

What we need is unarmed skills, I need to punch every single Daedra I see. I will become a Necromancer boxer who will train zombies into a gang.

[@unspeakableoaf]

Unarmed butt-kicking would be an excellent weapon line.

[@LyraDaydreamer]

I'm excited for the rearranging of the nightblade skills, it makes so much more sense this way.

[@QbanY1]

Nerfing magden while sorcs and nbs are dominating PvP is actually crazy

[@RIprosayden]

Cry about it

[@jacobkrebs7248]

I'm pretty sure it's a net buff. You lose 4 percent from exclusively having an ice staff, but now with new buff you get +8 passively and +12 if you use a lighting staff for your direct damage. So you're going from +12 but stuck with an ice staff to +20% with the new passive and lightning

[@bloodline30000]

That warden was different 😅

[@AesthMed]

Wardens can absolutely do work in PvP with the right build. I’m a NB who has a high k/d and wardens can give me the hardest time if they get ahold of me.

[@RIprosayden]

@@AesthMed wrong warden can do work on group play, solo warden sucks and im not talking about solo warden killin noobs

[@timothymoore6341]

I"m glad to hear this news about Necro. This was a long time coming. Glad they adjusted the Sacrificial Bones and you will be finally able to use it outside of combat.

[@ChrisMc123]

One bar Necros basically got nothing, the gravelords sacrifice change is very nice though but we really need a full rework on the whole class

[@oshirockingham9655]

Trample is still pretty much not the skill you're gonna slot in the bar outside of showing off to your friends that your epic mounts atk something.

[@user-yh7bu1qk7z]

The flail nerf is ridiculous being that was arcs only execute. Class skills are becoming bland.

[@royalwithcheese6278]

Im furious about this.

[@eget4144]

Pay to win time is over. Arcanist nerfs will continue untill class gets killed. Warden was gutted before necro. Necro gutted before arcanist release. Only one thing can save the arcanist and it is next new p2w class's gutting ceremony.

[@eget4144]

Pay to win time is over. Arcanist nerfs will continue untill class gets killed. Warden was gutted before necro. Necro gutted before arcanist release. Only one thing can save the arcanist and it is next new p2w class's gutting ceremony.

[@sticky0159]

Well, running Ice Staff Warden isn't going to be viable anymore unless you run Frostbite. Everything is going to Lightning Staff now which kinda sucks, in pvp having the ideal 30k health is usually the standard and you are threading the line from the Minor Toughness that Green Balance skill tree has so its not going to be good trying to min max your damage around that. Overall, Warden has a damage nerf relying on Betty Netch as a damage increase isnt ideal especially when doing rotations in PVE, I dont think Piercing Cold was the main issue for the huge damage to tankyness ratio, its Glacial Presence that's giving that huge damage, they shouldve worked around that instead of gutting Ice Staff for Wardens as a whole.

[@Binidj]

I will certainly no longer be using Arctic Blast after this goes live. 😪

[@ztyhurst]

I mained a NB at launch and even then I thought it didn’t make sense to have veiled strike in the Shadow line, so I like this change. It is a very minor buff to crit chance as well. I would have preferred putting the damage back into Funnel Health over the additional healing. Necro changes are nice for anyone that already likes that play style, but it is not good enough to convince me to play Necro.

[@davidhurcombe6505]

I wish they'd make a stamina morph for the Templar Spear charge and I'd like to see a change to the Javlin animation as it always looks like it's landing in the enemies foot the way it arcs. I already use Blur on my mag NB and wasn't using concealed weapon so this change will be more beneficial to me as I could now keep the offensive skills I have already and swap out the shadow skill I rarely use that's there for the hp buff.

[@drakelance7182]

Don't understand why they make all these changes to class because of PvP, not everyone is a PvP junkie needing to be in PvP all the time and these changes affect PvE builds also

[@berserker_red207]

As a pvp player, we never get noticed, hardly ever. It's deserved. This game is catered to PvE. So that should be a fair point.

[@dinckelman]

I've consistently been a necro main since the class came out, so any healthy balance changes are extremely welcome

[@UR_AL_SHOOK_UP]

Great video brotha

[@jadedj5385]

Trample should last longer because of its cast time. An extra two seconds at least. Some interesting changes across-the-board then I can be cautiously optimistic about what survives the final week of testing into launch.

[@elderwiz3165]

Didn't know this.. This is bigger than the housing feature for sure!

[@jwk13050]

hm, was using elemental explosion to proc major brutality and sorcery on my brittle warden. the decreased timer sucks because the damage from the ability lasts longer. now will need to re-cast the ability halfway through the damage timer to keep buff active

[@Ditronus.]

Necro was Dead On Arrival for me. Instead of having cool permanent summons, like zombies, etc. we get throwing fire skulls, edge lord tombstones, and a skeleton that floats to an enemy and blows up into goo? Even worse, they want you to spam that every several seconds. The whole class plays badly and looks bad. Balance changes won't fix that. It's the worst Necromancer take I've ever experienced in playing games for almost thirty years. How cool would it have been to get a "summon a draugr warrior for 20 seconds that cleaves your enemies with a giant sword..." or "summon a plague zombie that mauls and poisons enemies in an aoe". But nah, we got a Halloween skulls, a big tombstone, and a zappy string that sticks to a corpse.

[@Juan_Dominguez]

Ikr, it's the worst necromancer themed class I've ever played in my life

[@sly2076]

Big agree. Necro needs a total rework to make it an actual necromancer.

[@elderwiz3165]

Yeah, miss the minions... Necro was always about summoning minions, keeping them alive, buffing them, commanding them etc..

[@LuxSmash]

My only guess is because of gameplay reasons, its not like the Sorcerer pets, the necro pets can get you a bounty if you visit populated areas, and would be troublesome for most of the players, thats why most of them are just timed

[@Auldus]

I agree completely, i have 1400 hours on necro, sadly the fantasy just isn't there, it's a far cry from the vibe that Oblivion or Skyrim necromancy had. in those titles you felt like a ritualist, raising what you kill and overwhelming your enemies with shambling dead. it felt incredible. but this is just warden with a Halloween filter

[@nathgruleso8953]

I'm so glad they finally started to fix Necromancer!! 🎉 And, the Nightblade adjustments were a surprise...

[@Loleo2087]

Why surprised ? Nightblade literally needed these changes, they were 10 y coming some of them.

[@nathgruleso8953]

@@Loleo2087 Didn't think we would ever see it, lol

[@Chronic_Gainz]

They don’t realize it yet but Brawler Blade might be back. My Vampire Knight that I’m leveling up is excited to the least.

[@_Hell_cat_]

As a lifelong necromancer main since the day I started playing, I feel vindicated. These are really exciting changes. I'm glad they didn't go back on the grave lords sacrifice change, and instead gave it the buff it needed to be useful. The skeletal mage change is amazing too, finally doesn't hurt having to stack so many grave lord skills on the same bar.

[@Kronosxviii1]

Before I watch, my guess is that necro's get the shaft again because ZOS doesn't know wtf they're doing. Edit: Eh, the class received the bare minimum that it should have had at the beginning in terms of self buff potential. Aka, we're the same as everyone else now.

[@Rayjockey]

* Remember Last Selected Guild Store or Guild Bank When talking to a banker and selecting Guild Bank or Guild Store, the menu will now default to the previously selected Guild Bank or Guild Store from your current session. This is the best change of all!

[@XiiJWCiiX]

Big thumbs up for the Necro and Nightblade changes. It always seemed weird that veiled strike was in shadow. Also, I love using Elemental Explosion as an execute as it's super powerful. I use it in overland as well to one-shot just about any mob.

[@ShadowWizard]

2:16 i only want the old blastbones back, they turned good damage skill in to buff and that sucks hard, talking about this 3:18, they half to chamge it back to damage abbility!

[@_Hell_cat_]

Buff doesn't suck at all, you just have to use the right setup. Been playing necro since they dropped and I enjoyed the change.

[@ShadowWizard]

@@_Hell_cat_ most ppl want the damage skill and dislike the buff

[@_Hell_cat_]

@@ShadowWizard Yes, but a 15% damage bonus to dots and class skills does not "suck". You just dislike the change. A bonus that stacks on top of every other single buff in the game, btw.

[@michaelp4396]

Casual soloer Necro--I'm still trying to become more comfortable after the Blastbones nerf. I wanted more, like a permanent minion, but will evaluate once the patch hits. Glad to see the Ghostly Embrace buff though--I always debated this skill vs. Dark Convergence for my particular "playstyle" (I generously call it that). I think this adjustment might push me in that direction.

[@StarOfElyon]

Finally moving concealed weapon and blur around. That actually makes sense. Why did it take so long?

[@frostydax]

is there a TL;DR for what necros are getting?

[@Aetrion]

Elemental Explosion gets screwed over by not being allowed to have the Breach Affix unfortunately.

[@boydriceisawesome2520]

as a stamblade dps i like it it will make my assasination passive better and for tanks will be a huge boost as well i dont understand the vampire change like vamp are already so weak and terrible and they nerf it but overall good changes i like the necro change and scribbing as well :)

[@Guffenater]

As someone who plays a max stage vampire using only the vampire abilities ( which i know isn't the best thing to do, i just love playing as a "pure Vampire" build) while wearing the vampire lord set I can indeed say that this will be detrimental. I feel one of the only reasons ive been able to solo alot of content is because of the 30% dmg reduction especially since im already taking a large amount of fire dmg. With this change i feel like it's taking away a huge buff for those who are willing to take the negatives of higher vampire stage, especially since they aren't adding something to take its place to give a reason to be high stage vampire. I feel like they should just give stage one vampires the 15% and keep the stage 4 at 30% so it makes being a high stage vampire more appealing. I don't do alot of pvp so I dont know how good or bad the undeath perk has been in it but i do know that what ive read being a vampire in general in pvp can be rough especially if your opponents are using fighter guild/ fire based abilities. I haven't seen this change first hand so it might not be as bad as I think it will be, ill just have to see. Hopefully it's not so bad that i dread going into combat because i get one shot by a single spark of a nearby torch.

[@Kallebe6487]

Can you please make good build since vampire now GOT NERFED A LOT, SINCE after greymmor and the arcanist they say is to "balance stuff", since is lazy to fix combat? Make a good builds solo for them please, is getting harder and harder to play since EVERY patch comes with a NERF. PS: Solo builds for vampires and arcanists.

[@tamasstadler6413]

Trample skill is useful for my 2 bar heavy attack nightblade (with ring of the pale order) for the guaranteed AoE off balance and the guaranteed AoE status effects. I managed to reach my highest score in IA with him. (180k)

[@TheAlphaOmegaX3]

Only negative changes imo was Warden. 4% nerf to ice mage dps and 12% dps to aggressive tanks. Warden was more unique in that it felt you could do decent damage as a tank passively, and now that is massively reduced. Ice was buffed for a reason a few times. So the 4% nerf was not welcomed at all. The skill change im very indifferent to. I liked having an ice themed burst heal with a small area dot. Will have to see until I test that one.

[@aldenencluna6409]

Nice.

[@jasonhooper8345]

There's a lot I could say here, and I like a lot of the changes but I have one major point. They are far from being finished with class balance. For example, despite their combing over the nightblade, I'm surprised that they they don't change the 'Magicka Flood' passive. 8% only to magicka? Why should nightblade feel forced into a magicka build? Sorc's get both, so why not the 'blade'-- simply does not make sense...

[@allbinoorangutan4848]

Necro changes are needed but this still aint enough. Sustain is terrible especially with the short timers.

[@oohbabybloo]

They made some common sense changes. Moving minor vulnerability to avid boneyard. That skill was useless with a self activated synergy that did less damage than the initial hit. Better damage buffs. Still need to change skeletal morph back to ease rotation. A sticky dot would be nice but im ok with getting it from a different source

[@davedavidson8892]

I don't understand why they're nerfing mag warden and ruining the ice staff passive which promotes class identity by incentivizing ice staff use

[@hellstrike5366]

I like the vampire nerf for PvP purposes but that change to Nightblade is terrible for PvP. Now in 3 pieces of heavy armor they'll get 100% uptime on major resolve plus major evasion from Blur. So now Nightblades will have the best damage in the game (PvP wise, where burst is king) along with being able to be much more survivable. :(

[@ShadowWizard]

2:16 i only want the old blastbones back, they turned good damage skill in to buff and that sucks hard, talking about this 3:18, they half to chamge it back to damage abbility!

[@Binidj]

The change to Undeath makes playing at stage 3 pointless as it now doesn't seem to have any benefits over stage 2 but still a whole lot of penalties.

[@rednecksniper4715]

Spirit mender needs to have a longer timer and blighted blastbones needs to apply major breach to the primary target and minor breach to any secondary damage

[@BLVCKSCORP]

Thank you zos devs a thousand times for fixing the elemental susceptibility breaking your invisibility each tick, that was a nightmare.

[@user-pq5eq2xw8m]

Not real happy about the changes to undeath.

[@Chronic_Gainz]

Depending on the wording…. warden werewolf might gotta a buff with Piercing Cold 🤔

[@blackzen3306]

Considering necro is a five year old class, and other games have more engaging necro/minion gameplay, I don’t think that a minor vulnerability buff on a couple skills is going to do it. Especially when I can play a more fun necro/summoner build on Skyrim - a 14 year old game.

[@tjniday6098]

Is this the patch going live now? Or in a few weeks

[@zenwilds2911]

I believe these are the patch notes for update 43. Update 43 goes live on August 19th for PC.

[@asdasd-jf5uy]

These changes are the first step on fixing the class. I’m glad the devs -finally- decided to pay necromancer some attention. Bonelord’s sacrifice was the acknowledgement that indeed necro was falling short of the other classes. I’m sure there will be more improvements to come in the next patches.

[@chasecoats7711]

I love tanking as a stage 4 vampire Nightblade

[@leetrisk]

isnt it better to use stage 3- stage 4 is only good for the sprinting to invis after 6 seconds- which is more of a gimick/useful for theiving etc edit: i use stage 3 vamp for my nightblade in pvp, and also for my bashblade tank thingy, i would not use stage 4 because it has no extra benefit for survivability, ontop of that, you have 0 health recovery, meaning u wont passively heal

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

There's SO much fire in trials tho...Rock Grove, Lucent Citadel...I could go on.

[@leetrisk]

@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 you make a good point actually, my pve tank does not use undeath, since it requires u to miss health anyway, altho im sure the update will fuck my mag warden tank up :/ not sure how it will play but we will find out

[@chasecoats7711]

@Leetrisk That is the only reason I use stage 4 for the reduced cost of sprint I'm a Cyrodiil tank

[@leetrisk]

@@chasecoats7711 also the invis when sprinting is pretty nice too, i used to use it on my bowblade for abit in cyrodil, til i realised how squishy i became if i took damage and tried to run off with low resources 😅 but if you have your use then nice

[@Chronic_Gainz]

Now the only thing Necromancers needs fixed is Sacrificial Bones. Blighted Blastbones - should be have an execute (mimics stalking that way) and cost should be dependent on max stats. Grave Lord Sacrifice - Could allow light and heavy attacks restore resources with the amount changing depending on how many class abilities slotted on top of the 15% damage increase to class & DoT abilities.

[@KeepTheRest]

For stamden will you now always need a frost damage ability to trigger a frost damage every 6 seconds to get the 8 % damage increase? Or does a frost glyphs trigger that 6 seconds damage increase with a light attack? If it triggers with glyphs I like the change as this is seems to increase the damage for the stamden by 6 % if you can light weave

[@user-qv4wb5xq1e]

Will have to dust off my necro and try it out with these changes.

[@galenkaa]

Sooo I guess I'm staying at Stage 2 Vampire now?

[@wolverine8e]

Personally I think keeping veiled strike in the shadow line makes more sense from a game play perspective. I think that having a “tank”, “dps” and “healer” skill tree is too boring. There should be a little bit of everything in each skill tree to encourage diversification and not just lock people into selecting one skill line to play a specific thing.

[@TheBantana]

Vampire has always felt like a pointless skill line outside of PvP undeath usage. Something that really needs to be rectified.

[@KINGSLAYERTURBO]

While these are still extremely niche, the bonus damage coming out of stealth is huge for Nightblades and I abuse the fuck out of the sneak speed for a mat farming build lol I miss when vampires had bonus recovery stats

[@shawnknaack732]

This arc shit is annoying! Why are they taking away the execute?! Also, this game has been around like 7+ years and they are STILL making changes to BASE game classes like nightblade! You really think they would have this shit down by now…very disappointing! Also, they are giving necro NECESSARY class buffs for end game content and yet here we are calling it a buff when in reality, they aren’t buffing one skill…make it make sense and leave Arcanist alone! I can’t tell you how MANY times I carry the other DPS in VET DLC dungeons with my arc because other classes fail to compensate. They need to buff other classes that have shitty DPS and play to each classes strong suit instead of circle jerking around the idea of changing classes every few months for an update because they get bored 😑

[@krisztianszeibert918]

Im hyped bout nb changes surprise attack guaranteed crit from flank+ offbalance w the 438plus crit chance and the offpena from flank gonna be great ... its gonna be the "new" spammable bye bye rapid strikes

[@drakestrawser8460]

From a pvp standpoint, necro and Templar are basically unusable in a competitive setting still. NB was already best and is getting more buffs……

[@alextouchstone1334]

I like the flair they have with some of the path notes like "bones must have belonged to milk drinkers". Perhaps they could have diety themed patch notes like "Nightblade skill X changed from 30% scaling down to 28%, Sithis requires more blood through the use of other skills"

[@bos0078]

0nce this update hit the live i will be back been asking for necro buffs since ages

[@ThomasTDlrk]

This game keeps lagging out on me. I really want to actually play it

[@YungVAGaming]

Its too late sorry The Firsy Descendant came out and New world will be otw shortly for Ps5 lol

[@_allthatjazz_8667]

The nb change is more crit to gank builds just what we need 😢

[@ltcantoni3364]

All necro needs is a scythe execute buff and I can reinstall

[@m3cinco452]

This makes sense and would improve the gameplay as a necro. As it stands, I would rather play a sorcerer or warden

[@WhataDumbName]

Is there an incentive to play a vampire? They take more fire damage, no health regen, and now no passives worth having. I love vampire theme but they are making it unplayable.

[@Eso_lags]

necro changes are exactly what some of us have been begging for, for years. So im happy with that. But thats where my happiness ends. The warden changes are absolutely god awful. And the undeath changes are something many of us have wanted, however it needed to be paired with a damage nerf. Damage is waaay too high. Especially from certain builds. Nightblades and sorcs come to mind. Tarnished nightmare got no nerf. I just dont see how you survive getting ganked next patch, or hell even fighting 2 tarnished nightblades. I just dont see it. Even now i run 40k health and survive a gank attempt with like 3-5k health. From 1 second or less of damage. Then, if you're fast enough, you can heal and kill the ganker. I dont see how that happens next update. The math just isnt adding up.

[@FuryOfTyphon]

Necro desperately needed Major Sorcery/Brutality.. But they put it on the wrong skill. Skeletal Mage is purely for PvE.. It should have been tied to Blastbones so both PvPers and PvErs had access to it.

[@notarealperson]

ZOS forgot DK exists

[@juffe_h1666]

DK is in a good spot rn doesn’t need changes except the buggy leap 😅

[@Venti_Depresso]

Can I just have an op onebar magplar plz and ty

[@robertserdynski842]

Vampires shouldn’t be nerfed imo and is useless skill line unless you’re going to make the sacrifice and be stage 3 just for undeath

[@Z48654]

So they buff sorc and nightblade yet again, smh… but oh no! warden and arcanist are a problem for some reason🙄 they already do WAY less damage then sorcs and nb combined.

[@leetrisk]

exactly what im thinking, everyone runs vamp, its never been an issue, then they cripple it into being useless yet again, then they move nightblade skills forgetting in PVP its main issue is stacking tarnished with things like flame blossom and wrecking blow, to literally kill even a 40k health player in 1 second, and then they make the one skill every sorcerer runs even stronger... this update isnt balancing anything, its just forcing more people to play sorc/nightblade which has been the problem now for a few months... this update is literal brain rot

[@Loleo2087]

@@leetrisk These NB Changes were necessary and only make sense when you break them down.

[@leetrisk]

@@Loleo2087 yes but, nightblade doesnt rely on its passive to be meta for easy damage in PVP, thats the issue, incap is super hard hitting and easy to refill, can stack with proc sets, the invis is still cheesey and gives a stun and crit guaranteed when used right, the rest of the damage carry is proc sets, they should look into it, moving the skills around a little- isnt going to change the problem at hand, only maybe passive issues on the class, people will still play nb the same after the patch- and it will still hit like a truck

[@AB-gc3mr]

Honestly add class change for the character I have one character a Necro and I just have my horse upgraded all my skill and I love Necro but lately it seems pointless

[@T4ct1csWr3X]

Dude I'm so confused as to what they are doing to the NightBlade class 😅😅 is this going to be good or bad for my noob level 30 Khajiit NightBlade? I was using both of those abilities

[@REX-gk8wl]

Necro buffs are bull shit if your wearing oakensoul you don’t need anything added and as for that 4 sec timer that’s a nerf cause you could be in the area way longer than 4 fkn seconds.so far all I see necro Arcanist etc are fkn nerfs gaslight as buffs.

[@stalarionjagarn188]

I don't know what to think about these changes, the necro just got the bare minimum in terms of buffs. I think the problem is the way the class itself is given to the player. This is the least necromancerish interpretation of necro from all media I have seen. For me, a necromancer is all about decaying magic, soul magic, life drain magic, army of the dead and thoughtness via the undying theme. Here we have some reskined firebolt... Aaaand some tombstone... That's not really appealing.

[@berserker_red207]

All this and they could have nerfed sorc and nb in pvp. I'll never understand the way this company's brains, or lack there of, work.

[@REX-gk8wl]

Those classes have had all those buffs ever since the oakensoul came out. If they would have added the minors to the rings majors en that’s a real buff. It’s all crap.

[@SHWANtheMAN]

transmutation geode nerf

[@jordangreen7567]

The veiled strike change could be a small buff for NB.

[@kantarmosmajorum6596]

Could be a small pve buff, trying to force NB into class spammable, which is good. PvP wise, it's trading health for crit chance, so, no buff no nerf, just changes. I hate changes on warden though, makes no sense.

[@TheJesusNacho]

Great. Make vampire useless. The only big thing that stood out compared to other mmos and the only thing why i play eso instead of gw2. Now there is more downsides for vampirism than upsides. Why would anyone other than rp player want play vamp anymore? Fuck this game.

[@IncultaWolf]

vampire and werewolf were always meant to be roleplay specs

[@leetrisk]

@@IncultaWolf why have a skill line then rather than a skin/morph skill for aesthetic... they reworked them more than once because they sucked.. now they making it suck again.. as a PVP andy i can tell you most people run undeath and its never a problem, the real problem is NB gankers and sorc users which is new meta, and all they did was keep them the same or stronger... and ruin everything else which was never a problem..

[@TheJesusNacho]

​@@IncultaWolf It wasn't that. They made it useful in combat. That's why there is combat abilities and passives. What makes you think that it was meant to be only role play thing? People been playing vamp and ww in pvp and pve since the beginning of this game. Until now of course

[@osheadavis]

Interesting. With all the buffs, you could make a One bar non-oakensoul build.

[@REX-gk8wl]

Knocking dot from 20 to 10 and some how call them now viable is a fkn joke.

[@ShadowWizard]

None of this changes went trough, lile necro and nb skills are same, zos lied

[@lucaskerslow3313]

They said august right?

[@ShadowWizard]

@@lucaskerslow3313 well i only heard its coming new when i posted this, i didn't know its in PTS i thought its coming live not to PTS

[@NerdLegionInc]

Necro hasn't just never felt great for me because of how short the duration of skills are. it'd be way cooler if you had at least one permenant summon like sorcs can have.

[@ttv_damo_tk872]

And again no nerf to polar wind 💀 or any health based heals .. everyone says healing and cross healing is an issue in pvp but it’s really not ..the issue has and always was health based heals . Group with no polar wind is no problem but second you get one or two polar winds in that group it becomes a 15minute fight to kill just one person 😂 and don’t even get me started on fucking arcs cuz there survival kit ain’t absolutely broken

[@UltimateEdgeLord.4.2.0.6.9.]

Swapping concealed weapon and blur obviously makes sense to a thematic extent, but it also kind of sucks because now nightblades are going to have less evenly distributed health and essentially be forced into freeing up a skill slot for major resolve, instead of being able to reliably proc shadow barrier as a spammable. I like the change for aesthetic reasons, but i really don't know if i am going to enjoy how this plays. I guess i will wait and see. As for vampire passive, i am neutral. It was nice while it lasted, however i am a fan of anything that helps reduce the tank meta.

[@LaheyJ]

Necro is dead. And still is. Kinda like the game

[@AntiSCO]

So Warden and Vampire have less useful skills/passives, NB skills got scrambled, and Arcanist no longer has an execute. Good job ZOS.

[@cult75]

Warden's ice still suck, just not as much.

[@QbanY1]

How u guys keep complaining about ice warden when sorcs and nb been dominating PvP ^^

[@cult75]

I fail to see the connection. I don't pvp in this game.

[@ircjesselee]

I'm bummed there's no benefit to using an Ice staff on warden anymore. My frost warden dps might feel too different, especially with Arctic Blast change. We'll see.

[@89Aktalo]

Without harder content what does it matter to balance 😂😂

[@maki7249]

Sad, my frost warden will have to be changed and not sure what my second alt the archanist, will be like.

[@jelo69420]

lmao @ 'must have been milk drinker's