Huge Crash - Thomas Ronhaar Airborne - PSGL F1 Canada

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@pearce_nz
@pearce_nz 10 ай бұрын
Thomas is fast, but he doesn't think about his moves mid racing like thats very dirty behaviour and didn't leave space for fred multiple times. He was locked tires with thomas on the exit of the straight because bro dive bombed too hard and left him no space on the left hence the locking of tires.
@blenzo8344
@blenzo8344 10 ай бұрын
the divebomb was okay but then he didn't leave room on the exit.
@devilzuser0050
@devilzuser0050 10 ай бұрын
Similar behaviour seen in real life. Hmm.
@blenzo8344
@blenzo8344 10 ай бұрын
@@devilzuser0050 yea it’s annoying the FIA just doesn’t straight up say what’s allowed or not. This massive gaping grey area in the rules and every1 just ignores it like it’s okay 🤷🏿‍♂️
@calories4789
@calories4789 10 ай бұрын
@@blenzo8344 Roonhar rarely leave room after divebombing and pushing people off track
@yubakadi217
@yubakadi217 9 ай бұрын
The hell you talking about, It was 100% Rasmussen fault and he even appologised after the race XD
@TmGino
@TmGino 11 ай бұрын
What is Thomas doing? That was a forced crash because of missing patience
@xrafa.113
@xrafa.113 10 ай бұрын
His car was ahead of the other on the corner, the other guy should've given space
@skahnk6550
@skahnk6550 10 ай бұрын
​@RafaelSilva-zg8ps ... what? Thomas squeezed Freddie exit of the hairpin. He HAD to bang wheels.. he then braked way too late into the chicane, clattered the right kerb which compromised his line.. at which point he hit freddie.. again, and they both crashed out
@xrafa.113
@xrafa.113 10 ай бұрын
@@skahnk6550 On the first corner there was a gap and he went for it, the other car should've given space and go around the outside instead of trying to close him, always leave space if u don't have the advantage
@6butcha6
@6butcha6 10 ай бұрын
have a good look at what happened. it was Freddie that caused it. ppl are just so damn one eyed.
@rafaporto6486
@rafaporto6486 10 ай бұрын
@6butcha6 you dont have a better view than us, we've all watched the same clip. I actually watched the stream and Thomas was driving very unpatient towards Freddie (as you could see on the divebomb in the hairpin), then (as skahnk) said, he broke way too late, hit the curb, couldn't / didn't want to stay on his line and crashed ´
@brasihle4213
@brasihle4213 10 ай бұрын
He can’t handle the fact that on this game everyone is on the pace
@yubakadi217
@yubakadi217 9 ай бұрын
he hell you talking about, It was 100% Rasmussen fault and he even appologised after the race XD
@TyrinsClips
@TyrinsClips 3 ай бұрын
​@@yubakadi217meatrider
@rubidio3743
@rubidio3743 10 ай бұрын
Thomas didn't leave any space to Freddy twice, and the kerb made Freddy to lose control causing the accident. Tbf, that divebomb coming from Thomas was way too optimistic.
@yubakadi217
@yubakadi217 9 ай бұрын
he hell you talking about, It was 100% Rasmussen fault and he even appologised after the race XD
@jeffreytenthije
@jeffreytenthije 10 ай бұрын
*makes divebomb, doesn't leave space on exit* STOP WHEEL LOCKING *makes divebomb, isnt ahead by the apex, leaves no space on exit* WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING?
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
Yea would you stick it around the outside on that last chicane when the guy side by side has the inside? (BTW if you say yes you are regarded).
@gingermadman
@gingermadman 10 ай бұрын
​@@Jason-jy6jsronhaar dive bombed down the outside too far back. He's garbage (like his fans)
@davis5056
@davis5056 10 ай бұрын
@@Jason-jy6js You can't be this stupid my man if you're a racing driver giving yourself a 10sec penalty and losing position everytime someone sends it from a car length back into the final chicane at Canada you may as well retiree and give up. Anyone at any level with an IQ north of 20 knows you don't send it into that chicane side by side unless you want to end up dnf'd into a wall but not your boy ronhaar who is bordering on being classed and clinically braindead. Fwiw its also pretty evident Freddie said enough of this shit and turned into ronhaar on the exit, doesn't excuse the brain dead move from Thomas to get them there.
@NeonColored
@NeonColored 10 ай бұрын
​​@@Jason-jy6js lil bro can't even type 'retarded' properly but keeps liking his own comments
@selective9012
@selective9012 10 ай бұрын
@@Jason-jy6js Yes because I'm ahead at the apex I expect space round the outside lmao is that not common knowledge.
@hermann_the_german
@hermann_the_german 11 ай бұрын
Left no space for Freddy.
@dh41005
@dh41005 10 ай бұрын
Entirely Ronhaars fault. Left no space and then drove two drivers off track
@kimi8105
@kimi8105 10 ай бұрын
It’s not possible to leave a space in that coner😂
@horncat0831
@horncat0831 10 ай бұрын
@@kimi8105 ronhaar is on the apex with a car on his left he couldve backed out
@juvemerda6244
@juvemerda6244 10 ай бұрын
The final crash is rasmussen's fault, he should have come back in the track going forward, not turning right
@williambrijder9829
@williambrijder9829 10 ай бұрын
​@@juvemerda6244 He couldnt do anything because of the sausage curbs that made his car incontrollable
@thomassteele9649
@thomassteele9649 10 ай бұрын
This has gotta be on Ronhaar. No room left for Freddie on the hairpin exit, and he wasn't ahead going into the last chicane. Seems like he expects everyone to behave like AI.
@kunalpatel5
@kunalpatel5 10 ай бұрын
Thomas is being extremely stupid while racing man and this was 100% his fault. You cant just go into a corner and expect the other car to back out
@Louis-Souness
@Louis-Souness 10 ай бұрын
Sounds like a certain Dutch and British driver on the formula 1 grid right now.
@yubakadi217
@yubakadi217 9 ай бұрын
he hell you talking about, It was 100% Rasmussen fault and he even appologised after the race XD
@redluca56
@redluca56 4 ай бұрын
He learned that from Verstappen
@mikenyagawa
@mikenyagawa 10 ай бұрын
Thomas was in the wrong from the beginning of the video!!
@jessebles
@jessebles 10 ай бұрын
Nope
@zadsazhad
@zadsazhad 10 ай бұрын
​@@jesseblesfunny no likes, wonder why
@jessebles
@jessebles 10 ай бұрын
@@zadsazhadthe move in the hairpin is not wrong.
@yubakadi217
@yubakadi217 9 ай бұрын
he hell you talking about, It was 100% Rasmussen fault and he even appologised after the race XD
@CJ-uh8bk
@CJ-uh8bk 4 ай бұрын
@@jessebleslearn the rules lad, the lunge itself was late and not clean but possibly ok at first glance, on the exit of the hairpin he pushes Freddy almost onto the grass and gives him shit for locking wheels with him 😂
@kongagaa1910
@kongagaa1910 10 ай бұрын
While the divebomb into the hairpin was abit opportunistic, it was still fine The problem started with ronhaar not leaving space at the exit of the corner
@darkassassin6457
@darkassassin6457 10 ай бұрын
Regardless of who was at fault, Jake and Otis had agreat view and reaction to the crash lmao
@selective9012
@selective9012 10 ай бұрын
Thomas literallly took the chicane like freddie wasn't there despite being behind at turn in lmao if he forces freddie over the curb espescially on this game what did he expect. Completely self inflicted i'm ngl too impatient with that move.
@failfail6248
@failfail6248 11 ай бұрын
thomas should not be driving
@14768
@14768 10 ай бұрын
6 seconds in and Griphaar is already bitching about contact mere seconds after generating his own contact. Always the victim.
@CockMcBallsddd
@CockMcBallsddd 10 ай бұрын
Every time.
@calories4789
@calories4789 10 ай бұрын
Crappy attitude and never want to admit fault
@The_Honourable
@The_Honourable 9 ай бұрын
Griphaar? He doesn’t cheat
@kardiacc
@kardiacc 10 ай бұрын
Look at the amount space he leaves for Freddy after the first move 0:05
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
If you have raced on this game you know the car physics is bad, look at GOAThaars wheel, he is over 90 degress steering lock. The tyres just get stuck
@syndicategaming1668
@syndicategaming1668 10 ай бұрын
@@Jason-jy6jsGoathaar😂
@kizer0161
@kizer0161 10 ай бұрын
@@Jason-jy6js being the GOAT with 0 esports championship wins, sure kid. more like a piggy bank filled up with 1 and 2 pennies amounts up to maximum of 2 pounds. meaning, worthless.
@code01372
@code01372 10 ай бұрын
​@@Jason-jy6js just bc you can rinse time trials doesnt make you automatically good at wheel-to-wheel racing. def not a goat (maybe future), but dude def knows how to go fast.
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
Sorry mate did I read that first sentence right? "0 esports championships wins". I think someone forgot the first and only round of esports where GOAThaar humbled the entire grid and CRYmeer. When will you bozos learn that GOAThaars pace is one of the best if not the best. Check yourself, before you wreck yourself, clown.@@kizer0161
@United_Elite688
@United_Elite688 10 ай бұрын
Definitely on Ronhaar for sure.
@serfwallace
@serfwallace 4 ай бұрын
He went for a divebomb at the worst possible time and got the result out of it.
@T1mischief
@T1mischief 6 ай бұрын
Ronhaar speedrunning being the most hated person in pro gaming history
@killunova
@killunova 10 ай бұрын
this man has dove down the inside where it wasnt even his corner and caused a crash
@Spectre49
@Spectre49 10 ай бұрын
Thomas that was only your own fault. Way too aggressive and no space for Rasmussen to survive.
@MrSwindlers
@MrSwindlers 10 ай бұрын
Bro is fast but do not know how to race. Everytime he left no space to the others and crying like this. It become a tradition lol
@hitvanyEjtoernyosElvisImitator
@hitvanyEjtoernyosElvisImitator 10 ай бұрын
Lol the more I'm watching these guys racing, I realized almost all of them have anger problems :D
@PiroMusic-wu7mo
@PiroMusic-wu7mo 10 ай бұрын
0:20 Obviously Thomas is behind Fred in the braking zone and not even running alongside him. And no two cars can pass through this chicane side by side. With Ismael right in front of them, there is only one realistic way for Thomas to dive bomb and not hit Fred. That is for Fred to run wide on the runoff instead of running the corner. Now, would any driver willingly choose that? I don't think so...lol do you?
@davidpanken
@davidpanken 10 ай бұрын
Did Thomas get some race bans? Constantly banging wheels but besides that, made a very reckless dive bomb without leaving any space and by doing so taking out 2 drivers. He is fast but still can’t race wheel to wheel
@lSKARl
@lSKARl 7 ай бұрын
He divebombed him twice and is mad at him lmao
@SkyboundMar
@SkyboundMar 10 ай бұрын
I haven't disliked anyone else as much as I dislike Thomas
@itsalexthefiregamer4278
@itsalexthefiregamer4278 10 ай бұрын
jarnos wallahi hes finished got me dying bro
@JustaGuy1250
@JustaGuy1250 10 ай бұрын
bruh, Fred did absolutely nothing wrong there? this guy might be quick but fuck if he's esports worthy with such bad judgement
@RGBSF
@RGBSF 10 ай бұрын
Ronhaar is pathetic really, he drives into Rasmussen at the hairpin, then pushes him to the wall on exit, not giving him room and wonders why his wheels are locking together. Then cuts the chicane at wall of champions, all four wheels over the white line and almost over the red/white curbs too whilst Rasmussen was clearly following the proper racing line. Does he expect everyone to stop as soon as he gets side by side? 🤡
@RGBSF
@RGBSF 10 ай бұрын
You can also see Fahssi give Gal tons of room at the hairpin unlike Ronhaar, and Ronhaar has no clue Fahssi is quicker on the outside and dumps him on the grass, then he wonders why he doesn't have any friends, you'd think he was a Forza open lobby player with this level driving. What did Alonso say about Hamilton at Spa, that's Ronhaar in eSports. 🤣
@S3Ben
@S3Ben 10 ай бұрын
If you late brake into the final chicane there you will always cause the other driver to have to cut the chicane. It’s too fast for a lunge without contact or a big accident
@thethomascobbgroup5001
@thethomascobbgroup5001 9 ай бұрын
Ronhaar should just stick to time trials, he already drives like there's nobody else on the circuit.
@Nando_Lorris_04
@Nando_Lorris_04 3 ай бұрын
Initial move, Thomas went for a divebomb and initially executed it well. However he then understeered deep into the corner and/or tried to put Freddy into the wall. Freddy had nowhere to go, so that contact is 100% on Thomas. ‘Stop locking tyres’ is a joke from him surely? Did he expect Freddy to disappear into the barrier on the left? Going into the chicane Thomas was clearly behind Freddy. If you’re going to send it there you have to leave space on the left. He left no space and forced Freddy onto the kerb, which sent him back into Thomas. I wouldn’t put this one fully on Thomas however, as I feel when he was pushed off Freddy could’ve backed off and rejoined safer, however he kept his foot in. Was this to get revenge on Thomas in a ‘if you make me go off I’m making you go off’ fashion, or was it just that he didn’t realise he wasn’t making the corner until it was too late? Only he will know for sure, I’d like to believe the latter but I suspect the former. Still more on Thomas, but I think Freddy could’ve done more to avoid it
@gingermadman
@gingermadman 10 ай бұрын
He almost took out 2 cars, moaned about it, then ended up twking 1 and himself out anyway. Brain dead.
@ianjameslake
@ianjameslake 10 ай бұрын
"You always have to leave the space" ;)
@KunMicael
@KunMicael 10 ай бұрын
To be honest freddy was a bit dumb by cutting the corner and doesnt take the space road, if he did they both would've survived and he could have reported thomas and gave him a penalty for pushing him off track, both of them didnt had the patience
@BlueBand3
@BlueBand3 3 ай бұрын
Imagine being a fan of Thomas Ronhaar ☠️☠️
@United_Elite688
@United_Elite688 10 ай бұрын
But what annoys me is that when others laugh at an incident they witness they should ignore it and let the Stewart's handle the job on what happened. I'm not sure about him and Lucas being teammates any longer.
@Rick-vf8hm
@Rick-vf8hm 4 ай бұрын
ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE SPACE! Learn your lesson already.
@jimmantzoros6530
@jimmantzoros6530 8 ай бұрын
fredy is not the guy that is gonna get bullied like that
@malcolmsanger
@malcolmsanger 10 ай бұрын
These guys are hilarious acting innocent
@fiftyin07
@fiftyin07 10 ай бұрын
This is a 50/50. Thomas did leave just enough room for Fred at the hairpin but that was a pretty big lunge going into the last chicane.. Freddy also should’ve probably backed out at that point, and then he had a big moment from launching over the sausage curb. Jarno and Lucas still probably has the best racecraft of any of the ESports drivers
@danielo7985
@danielo7985 10 ай бұрын
Like it's genuinley not a bad move, in real life, Freddie would have to turn out of the corner to give Ronhaar space - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4nCeIiejM51fs0si=zIOAMH26ktPGGMRf&t=182 look at how the car on the outside has to open up for Norris' move. It's a dive, it's a little marginal but the move is on, it's a racing incident
@knuffel3225
@knuffel3225 6 ай бұрын
He thomas........ stop divebombing everybody...... maybe he problem starts there..... but yeah selfreflection in not one of youre virtues
@Josh_simracing
@Josh_simracing 10 ай бұрын
ronhaars fault not leaving the redbull space in chicane
@azzazz4549
@azzazz4549 2 ай бұрын
What is the point in a saftey car if it is just a game?
@lodrad1937
@lodrad1937 10 ай бұрын
how is thomas still allowed to race?
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
Are you talking about the guy who won the first round of esports this year?
@lodrad1937
@lodrad1937 10 ай бұрын
@@Jason-jy6js OMG HE WON A RACE😱😱😱😱. Let’s ignore all the unsportsmanlike races he done!!!
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
LOL. Let's ignore the fact Jarno called him a cheater for months publicly to his 100s of thousands of subscribers 😱😱😱😱. If youre going to talk about unsportmanslike behaviour talk about that. Guy is faster than him so he gets thousands of people to hate on him online. Clown. @@lodrad1937
@F1e308
@F1e308 10 ай бұрын
Wall of Champion, Champion of wall
@BKWilliamsJnr
@BKWilliamsJnr 10 ай бұрын
I dont why he huffing lol, Horrible race craft from Thomas
@Pappiiii
@Pappiiii 10 ай бұрын
thomas cant stand losing... pathetic
@devilzuser0050
@devilzuser0050 10 ай бұрын
Huge KICK
@chrisbamo6400
@chrisbamo6400 10 ай бұрын
some1 forgot to put the cheats on
@terrorputic7549
@terrorputic7549 7 ай бұрын
literally thomas' fault, idk why hes yapping
@mounirgijsen8437
@mounirgijsen8437 3 ай бұрын
This shows how a dirty driver Thomas is
@CatalyticallyAbnormal
@CatalyticallyAbnormal 10 ай бұрын
Even though Thomas locked wheels Freddy that's hard racing but to at least avoid an accident in the last chicane Freddy should've taken the escape road like a gentleman instead of putting Thomas in the wall.
@Beexy96
@Beexy96 10 ай бұрын
Thomas late braking was dirty and egoistic I can't lose attitude. Freddy was way ahead into the chicane if Thomas not doing what he did then Freddy would take that corner on line, but Thomas PUSHED HIM wide on to the SAUSAGE KERB and as Opmeer said it LAUCHED Freddy at Thomas. Everyone has a favorite driver but watching this videos you can't make a sane argument for Thomas.
@walter1824
@walter1824 10 ай бұрын
Stake F1 Team Kick *Red Bull* 😂😂😂
@sebastienvermeere5186
@sebastienvermeere5186 10 ай бұрын
Don't like the dude, will (probably) never like the dude.
@RyanGrijp
@RyanGrijp 10 ай бұрын
Too big of an ego smh
@burdenboy8865
@burdenboy8865 10 ай бұрын
calma calma
@callumjb7668
@callumjb7668 10 ай бұрын
karma for griphaar ajhhahahahah
@damadavid781
@damadavid781 10 ай бұрын
No Race inteligence
@cainvanrosewalt3215
@cainvanrosewalt3215 10 ай бұрын
this clown😂
@tomozly612
@tomozly612 10 ай бұрын
These comments 😂
@nationofmugs
@nationofmugs 10 ай бұрын
what a cry baby
@connor7162
@connor7162 10 ай бұрын
I find it so interesting that the sim racing community are capable of clearly discerning the difference between dirty and clean driving but IRL the fans are absolutely clueless and will blindly defend clearly bad racecraft. Genuinely prefer esports to IRL atm
@mohasnee
@mohasnee 10 ай бұрын
Not a fan but this time gotta give it to Rasmussen here, maybe he bottomed out but it looks like he turned to the right and Ronhaar was just there.
@jordanmackay4415
@jordanmackay4415 7 ай бұрын
Cheater
@calories4789
@calories4789 10 ай бұрын
Cant deny Roonhar is a great driver. But the way he drives and his attitude towards being dirty and never admit fault really makes people hates him. He often lock tyres, not giving room, and push driver off divebombing.
@jamiemb17
@jamiemb17 10 ай бұрын
warra esport
@patrickkenworthy7454
@patrickkenworthy7454 9 ай бұрын
He reminds me so much of Verstappen, incredibly fast, but incredibly deluded when racing wheel to wheel
@NeonColored
@NeonColored 5 ай бұрын
the level of moronity required to mention Max Verstappen and Thomas Ronhaar in the same sentence can't even be put into words
@1up_Lee636
@1up_Lee636 Ай бұрын
that is all fault
@F1e308
@F1e308 10 ай бұрын
Karma for the “cheater”
@wolfkane1986
@wolfkane1986 10 ай бұрын
Thomas and Otis garbage drivers.
@GamingGaz91
@GamingGaz91 3 ай бұрын
Your all wrong
@fastmclaren71
@fastmclaren71 10 ай бұрын
Calm down. Its only arcade.
@MattySteven-ou7kz
@MattySteven-ou7kz 3 ай бұрын
Thomas is the worst driver
@SaberRider_LP
@SaberRider_LP 3 ай бұрын
Cheater League
@Alonso_The_GOAT
@Alonso_The_GOAT 10 ай бұрын
CHEATER
@alexstavik
@alexstavik 10 ай бұрын
I bet if this was Jarno, everyone would blame Rasmussen. But since its Ronhaar, the D-riders goes hard.
@Luke-Godzilla
@Luke-Godzilla 10 ай бұрын
Nah you don't go for a divebomb that diabolical into THAT chicane no matter who you are
@gigiamoroso3066
@gigiamoroso3066 10 ай бұрын
100% Freddy fault 2x
@mart1n10601
@mart1n10601 7 ай бұрын
No wonder Freddie signed to Red Bull. Fits the organization perfectly: dirty driving in real life and in esports
@nothngspermanent
@nothngspermanent 10 ай бұрын
people blaming thomas are idiots , he had the inside line and was pushed into the wall. you can see the RB had oversteer midcorner
@NeonColored
@NeonColored 10 ай бұрын
guess what, when you're side by side with an idiot pushing you onto a sausage kerb you won't be able to control the car either 😂 cherrypicking one specific frame in the video to rest your case on isn't exactly good evidence
@nothngspermanent
@nothngspermanent 10 ай бұрын
@@NeonColored ok then show me the frame where he lost control.
@Beexy96
@Beexy96 10 ай бұрын
0:21 . Thats the 50M braking board before the corner. Who is ahead?? Yeah it Freddy, just because you launch yourself from the start of the straight does not means you are ahead.
@gel11599
@gel11599 10 ай бұрын
Real Dutch
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
Fred is a joke. Takes GOAThaar out in esports becuase he thinks hes cheating. GOAThaar humbles entire grid at LAN and Fred still cant accept the GOATs pace. The only way Fred can get by is to crash out GOAThaar. Who sticks it around the outside in that corner??? GOAThaar has the inside, Fred should have backed out, but he is a sore loser. GOAThaar still leaving rent free in his head.
@Dutch-McLarenJk82-
@Dutch-McLarenJk82- 10 ай бұрын
Who sticks it around the outside? Who divebombs when he can’t even make the corner LMFAO.
@brasihle4213
@brasihle4213 10 ай бұрын
Thing is upon braking Freddy was ahead, you can’t send it into the wall of champions chicane, especially from the inside, you’ll run someone wide over a curb that bottoms the car and likely they’ll hit you on the exit because you lose full control of the car. Ronhaar was too aggressive and he should accepted that he didn’t have the pace he usually has around Canada.
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
"he can't make the corner" go back and watch that and tell me what corner he didnt make. Clown.@@Dutch-McLarenJk82-
@Jason-jy6js
@Jason-jy6js 10 ай бұрын
Mate, look how early he braked, GOAThaar min speed is very slow through the last chicane. Fred left a mountain of space for williams and broke early letting GOAThaar take the positition and Fred couldnt handle it and tried to stick it around the outside.@@brasihle4213
@matthijs2295
@matthijs2295 10 ай бұрын
@@Jason-jy6js you're the only one defending thomas in 54 comments. Maybe self recflect a bit.
@6butcha6
@6butcha6 10 ай бұрын
All you Thomas haters just cant get enough can ya ?. its racing, & it was Freddie that used the curb as a jump, not thomas all FR had to do was back out of it , but no..
@Ducanhthebestintheworld
@Ducanhthebestintheworld 10 ай бұрын
ronhaar should be the one to concede the position but instead he fucking sends it into the final chicane which is never going to end well,FR got the outside but get shoved into the huge sausage kerbs on the inside of the final corner which leads to him being launched,losing the car and crashed. Ronhaar's fault clearly
@brasihle4213
@brasihle4213 10 ай бұрын
It’s not the case of hating on Thomas but the aggression he uses on track. I mean Freddy’s tyres were older but not old enough for Thomas to be driving so aggressive against him, I mean Thomas isn’t racing AI, he is racing esports drivers who are equally as fast and talented, Freddy knowing he has the advantage at a corner means he won’t back out of the corner because Thomas wants to claim an apex he has no right in that situation claiming.
@darkassassin6457
@darkassassin6457 10 ай бұрын
To be fair...if I lunge and squeeze the car ahead, I’m fully expecting them to do the same if we go side by side into a chicane lmao the driving standard even at pro level suggests it’s the same case
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