HUGE NEWS, Changes coming for the better | Once Human | Nov 15th News Discussion

[@DovazX]

As of Nov 18th Once Human had an official statement that the Polar Ghost set should be 1280 Crystgins and the them pack Polar Adventure should be 2080 Crystgin. (I have confirmed it's updated in game) They will be refunding any overpayment for those who purchased it at the inflated price. I'm curious if this is actually an error or if they saw the backlash and changed their mind to not look bad. Only time will tell with the upcoming changes.

[@lightnbrightt]

a dye system would make a lot of the skins a lot more appealing, the colors usually suck and you cant mix and match which is usually the fun part of skins in games

[@DovazX]

@@lightnbrightt the crazy thing is that the game has a dye system already. They just don't use it for basically anything

[@kbxbogdan]

Loot crates have to GO period! An 30 - 50 euros for a skin? No way! This is the price of a dlc! And no way i will pay more than 10- 15 for any skin!

[@DovazX]

Yeah I said $30 and $15 quite often in the video because that's around what most companies do. Which would be way better than $150-600 loot crates. But I really wish these games would put the micro back in microtransactions. $1 skins for everyone!

[@eafigarella]

Bro, I spent 100 euros in the DJ lootcrate stuff and only got a suit. Why they make a lootcrate so expensive and besides, have REPEATED options in the RNG?? That's predatory at the very least. And having the worst of luck (which is the most likely outcome) 600 dollars to get the main stuff (the car skin). That's the price of 10 AAA games in skins and repeated ones...

[@VISC3RA]

None of the newer cosmetics are dyeable as well, as if they've forgot the dying feature is in the game...

[@DovazX]

Yeah I really dislike that all of the cosmetics don't have dyeable areas. It's difficult to mix and match sets to make a good look.

[@torrent3481]

i really wish i could dye the white night rose set costume black. i love it as is which is why it's the only thing i bought so far but i could love it more just by it being dyeable. we also need more than one dye option.

[@katja91]

Loot crates have to go. Polar skin is too expensive even if is the only one allowing for a proper immersion in the scenario. Chaos destroying houses has to go. I am fed up with deviations bumping into me in my house too, like the chef. I agree on so many issues. Planning to leave the winter scenario in season 4 if that mess with survival continues.

[@mousewristgames]

Since I banished all my Deviations into the shed outside, my chef no longer lives on the roof. Nice touch though, good vid!

[@DovazX]

At least if he's on the roof he isn't pushing me around haha

[@queryalways]

Hey, great vid; good break down. :) 1: I just had a Hive member leave & go back to Manibus, the CWs were too much to be bothered with, I like them, but for others I can see why they're an issue; also the excessive high temps in some places where missions are, 125oC? WTH?? We had to tag team in there with aircons just for a 2 min cutscene; no armour build could prevent death or food/drink buffs. I like the temp issues, but even for me that was too much. (I played ARK for years, so temp gameplay is normally a non issue for me, however when you can't complete missions without excessive deaths or timewasting, there are problems). 2: Lootcrate costs; I like that they're going to revamp them, let's hope for the better. These last 2 outfits I'm not buying, even the straight up purchase one, 2600 for that leather look, it's hideous. I bought the cradle, not getting the outfit. & for the love of all things shiny, give Female outfits some options that aren't all just 'skin'. Even this snow one has cutouts. Where's some practicality too? I'm not against sexy outfits, my Avatar has one now; but what if I want to go stealth mode in my sniper build, ya know? Sorry. End rant. haha!! Cheers.

[@fr1zla]

I just started playing and today I was looking through the store. $50 for a cosmetic pack is down right highway robbery.

[@DovazX]

In an attempt to not scare you away from the game. You can get a lot of territory furniture formulas in game from looting. People commonly do these loot runs specifically for formulas, they can be traded as well as broken down and reforged into a random furniture as well. To a much lesser extent you can also get gear and weapon skins from playing the game but those are mostly going to be in the shop.

[@good-timeswithmiko]

There is a difference between getting raided vs base being destroyed by the chaosweaver. Being raided means you chose your base to be always in danger meanwhile being destroyed by the chaosweaver lured by players is not good cause you have no way to retaliate and you did not chose to experience that.

[@DovazX]

Yeah I thought it was pretty messed up that on a PvE server people were baiting CWs to attack offline players nearby. Sad times were had.

[@torrent3481]

i had a lot of fun in way of winter and i only have 2 issues with chaosweavers. 1st being that they are unaffected by elemental damage which was weird since the featured guns were the new fire and ice guns. the 2nd would be that they didn't just damage homes they one shotted them out of existence. if the damage was accumulative i would be sure thats part of the experience. to defend your base from being destroyed but you couldn't defend it.

[@queryalways]

I agreee; why have so much hype around element based builds in the weapons and they're basically useless (I didn't bother speccing into them or getting either tbh after I realised they had 0 to do with the native dangers); I had 0 desire to connect with the map 'lore'; yet I love WoW map; the idea of it anyway. That 1 shot, end of life phase red laser thing they have is just bonkers; Devs need to implement an offline dmg prevent system (like ARK) for offline players; and DMG reduction system on the CW itself for buildings on the AOE perimeter . If you build on its spwn, that's on you; but building away from it & still losing everything, not cool devs.

[@obscureaustralianmusic]

Makes sense to charge high for the white ghillie (polar ghost) set as it will give PvP players an advantage by helping camouflage in the snow. That being said I wouldn't pay that much for a skin they are all drastically overpriced - in fact I haven't spent a cent on the game yet (now in my 3rd server reset) but I think I will as soon as the repricing comes in. I have got a lot of enjoyment from playing the game for free so I feel I should throw them some cash.

[@cronologic6332]

I personally feel if everything considered for loot crates was a direct buy like you said give the player the option. I would def buy more if i could do it directly. there's a lot of items in the bundle i don't want. I mean i spent 50 bucks just to gamble to get the TV i mean if i got the character skin cool. I feel like furniture pieces should be priced like 5 to 10 bucks. character skins could be 25 up to 50. Vehicles 30 to 75. i think they would actually make more with direct sales than loot crates because the consumer would know exactly what they wanna purchase and have the option to. I'm hoping for great changes in January. Great vid btw very informative. O side note i bought the ghost set i didn't think of the effects so you made a good point. I impulsive bought lol.

[@DovazX]

The ghost set is a cool at least. I'm still stuck whether I want to buy it myself. Thanks for the feedback on the video. It's the first time I've done this style with a discussion over B roll. I've been sweating bullets waiting on the analytics and comments to see if it's well received

[@cronologic6332]

@@DovazX ya i get that i feel cosmetics is personal preference on how a person plays the game. I use my outfits for what i feel like I'm doin in the environment Like if i feel I'm playing more at night and I'm running a sniper build i run with the spider set it makes me feel more stealthy and cool lol. i rock the snow set for winter. I have a HUGE imagination. Thanks for the reply back man means a lot. This is my first base building survival game. So I'm invested for the most part.

[@DK-oh4wv]

When the weaver destroys your base! Your chest and items in them are gone! That was the problem

[@DovazX]

Ya for PvE it's definitely an issue. People shouldn't have to trick build on top of things to force it send to vault when destroyed etc. A bunch of that design seems in a weird half state between PvP and PvE. In PvP we always hated how when you'd destroy a ceiling the loot would be sent to their vault making the hundreds of c4 used to get in wasted. The devs need to pick a PvP or PvE lane or just get unique systems for each.

[@DK-oh4wv]

@@DovazX agreed

[@1117Checkmate]

Regarding the Polar Ghost set & effect, when you go under Events/Season Tab and check the seasonal calendar it talks about this set to be glowing blue when you travel snow regions. But in reality it does nothing. I agree put it for 1280 and it's fine I guess.

[@DovazX]

Huh, I hadn't noticed that part in the calendar. That's a let down.

[@dizzyshar]

Base destruction IS ABSOLUTELY a big deal to the PVE players. I have played both ways, and I am now a full PVE player. Best I can explain it, is the base is half if not more than half of the enjoyment for a PVE player. The build, design, expanding, decorating, fully furnishing, making it as realistic as they can, having a base to be a nice hangout for their team/hive etc. That takes time, and work, and when you spend a couple weeks or a few weeks doing that and then poof in an instant it is all gone? That would be to an PVP player to log in and all of your guns and gear were gone, along with the blueprints and mods, and you would have to start all over again buying them, crafting them, modding them, caliberating them etc. That would be a big deal to an PVP player just the same. Just different and opposite play styles that should not intergrate IMO.

[@DovazX]

Thanks for the explanation. Sometimes it hard for me to get out of my old ark survival evolved PvP days where everything is about efficiency and having your base destroyed daily was just part of the game. It's good for me to get to understand other parts of the playerbase. Thinking about it now, the Halloween hunting lodge that I built on WoW did take me quite a few hours. I can see how that getting blown up for most people would be devastating. My mind is so broken though that I'd be like sick, now I can build something else cool instead xD

[@willrevillame3288]

Base destruction itself isnt really the real issue, but more on how it's basically defenseless when players are offline, and how unfair the CW's damage is on structures. Honestly it's way too overtuned, and this is coming from someone who hasn't been raided by CW from phase 1 to 4, but have witnessed bases being destroyed during CW fights, I felt really bad for those players who lost their bases due to an unfair mechanic. The fact that that it's so tanky already makes it dangerous to deal with, and with it's AOE attacks that deals huge damage on structures, there's no base that would survive its wrath no matter how heavily fortified it is.

[@dizzyshar]

@@willrevillame3288 Yes, your point is valid , however for PVE players we don't want to get attacked or in real danger period. I completely agree their damage is too severe. In PVE servers there are also trolls that lured the CW to bases to get them destroyed so they can take all of the stuff. which is 100% unfair.

[@dizzyshar]

@@DovazX Your mind isn't broken, it's just about gameplay preferences. PVP players and PVE players just have a different idea of what is fun to them.While PVP players idea of fun is going out and attacking, going to war, and conquering. PVE players on the other hand is going out and fighting with their group enough to get what they need and having a nice base to chill out and have fun, a party, like partyverse is. To build something like that partyverse and log in to have it all wiped out...well, I would just start a new server myself as well.

[@MamboB]

Can you do a build breakdown of this B-Roll footage. I run alot of the same items but im not getting your numbers. I see the high crit rate, wondering how you pull it off.

[@DovazX]

I've been an icy rain main since the start. Mostly PvP though so I'm sure my mods could be even better for PvE. I'll consider making a build video for it if viewers want it. But the basics are 60% Crit rate and 301% Crit damage when fully ramped on a marked target. 64% weapon damage bonuses. Only like 10-20% bonuses to normal/elite/boss. Using 4 piece lonewolf , vortex pull in shirt to nullify adds from running you down, and 1 Bastille for more weapon damage. 5 Star icy rain with assault style (20% ATK) calibration double Crit. And 26.8% mag capacity+ including lone wolf to bring your mag size back up to not have to reload. Ideally Id like to get that higher as if you miss a couple of rounds your stuck reloading which kills a lot of your damage. Also using the wolf or camera deviations for weapon damage increases. However, this build does no damage compared to a lot of the meta. I just love never having to use any activator healing. Except when the server lags and you just die from getting used to standing in everything. Also eat shattered bread for weapon damage

[@MamboB]

Cool, what mod you using for health regain like i seen you get when shoot the boss during immune phase?

[@DovazX]

@MamboB weapon mod: frosty blessing on the icy rain. When frost vortex disappears heal 10% max HP. Icy rain triggers frost vortex 40% of Crit hits. With 60% Crit chance and the fire rate of an SMG they proc constantly. The best part of that mod is that it states when disappears. You can only have 2+1(icy rain gets 1 extra) vortex at a time. So when you trigger the 4th. It makes the first disappear, healing you right away. So you just blast away and heal like crazy. And trigger effects still work on immune in this game, they count as a hit but don't do damage. That's probably why the build doesn't do insane damage, because itd be busted to have the healing on top.

[@spleenm]

Yup - have verified myself CW building damage nerf was disabled yesterday.

[@DovazX]

Thanks for confirming. I was tempted to just teleport my base to a CW for fun and to check... Might still do it for fun

[@Sentrixa]

I don't usually comment on videos i watch but here's my thoughts. Not played way of the winter yet (currently doing manibus for the 3rd time due to friends) so i got no experience in that. however when it comes to outfits i have always wanted for us to be able to get something similar to rosetta outfits, always loved the sniper's outfits as well as the mechanics, or the female vulture sniper since i love plague doctor themed clothing. when i saw the crate for the closest thing being at 2700 i felt bummed out as it's just another chance game and it feels so expensive having to save up all those mitsuko marks. I hate the lootboxes cause of the price, and i do not like having to "chance" my way through a purchase when i could just flat out buy something i like instead. when they did the survey about the game and the question of how structures look i simply said i have not bought any of the building cosmetics cause of their dumb lootbox system, it makes me unable to decide wether to get a structure cosmetic (which idk if i would really use since i hate building bases to begin with) or any other outfit. "fear of missing out" type stuff in games i feel should be removed entirely and just have a flat out purchase, get what you paid for instead. PS: i think the new outfit would look nice with a frost effect, like frost particles falling down from the cloak. something to make it worth the 2280

[@DovazX]

Hopefully the upcoming changes help with all of this. I'm hoping that one day they also add the ability to make in game sets able to be used as skins. The. You could use say the unstable bomber cloak for your sniper look

[@Sentrixa]

@@DovazX yeah...we can dream..closest we got was 2700 mitsuko bullshit dream crate where you got a better chance of actually gambling than getting what you want. chinese suck so much ass when it comes to making gaming slightly fair, no racism it's just how it is!

[@Sentrixa]

@@DovazX Seriosuly though my biggsest complaint was that they spend 2 weeks making loot crates instead of good fucking outfits you and simply buy in the shop, i fucking hate how often they release the loot crates, i wouldn't mind it if it was once a month, give us who got no fucking job a fucking chance or else i will fucking curse you...

[@Sentrixa]

Joke, don't take it seriously, just showing the level of disgust they take it with their shit lootbox

[@paisley07]

Towers can't be moved. Most players already had them built when the map was released.

[@DovazX]

Fair point. I demolished mine to move it early. But it was before we did any upgrades so I'm not sure if it resets upgrades or not. I'd imagine it would.

[@clio3817]

Bro i just purchased the glass bundle and I'd be gutted if they decide to drop the price by a huge margin

[@DovazX]

As much as it would suck to have something go on sale after you got it. At the same time I would love to see more people enjoy the items. I spent a lot of money on the Halloween stuff. But Im more upset that others can't enjoy decorating their houses with Halloween stuff. I don't know if they will reduce prices of stuff already in the store though. maybe rotating sales.

[@clio3817]

@@DovazX 100% agree.

[@southerngunner2614]

$50 for glass walls is INSANE... sorry you fell for it but thats way too much money for a building skin.... an item that helps you with literally nothing in the game... i love the look but im holding off hoping that they lower it dramatically. if not, oh well, just gonna have to do w/o it.

[@liiich6175]

My mate loved this game...until he bought a loot crate and got actual trash also not what he wanted...good $80 down the drain and he quit and thus 2 others quit because they wanted to game together. So they got $80 off him but lost 3 players. Im still playing but not spent on cosmetic or BPs yet

[@DovazX]

That's rough and I can't say I blame them. I've seen that happen time and time again on gacha games. Genshin Impact when it came out got massive amounts of players that had never experienced gacha. I had a lot of friends start, blow money, and then quit because they didn't get the character they wanted. These companies either purposely do this to cash grab up front and then just make a new game if it dies. Or are too focused on showing a big profit to investors out the gate at the expense of long term value. At least Once Human is communicating and seem interested in doing better.

[@godsdemon7441]

I prefer the sexy cosmetics. The silly, ugly ones might as well be free.

[@DovazX]

It's surprising they aren't milking sexy cosmetics that much. Like that beach holiday loot crate was some weird plastic coat instead of just a bikini / beach shorts

[@JesseConsopolus]

if u could build.... i setup red bios and lvl 2 gat.... cant use it on them. gotta waste 15k ammo. and yes u be offline and come back to a destroyed base. it sucks. im done this season. like stand around for 7 days style. im not doing winter again....

[@DovazX]

I built my territory at one point to look like a giant mech with cannons and turrets and placed it down at a chaos weaver to fight it. I was able to hit it's weak spots for like 15k a shot with regular bio missiles. The fight was probably 10 minutes before my entire structure was flattened, fired 300 missiles and had to finish it with guns. It was fun but definitely made me wonder why bio missiles basically do nothing to them

[@HyperBrat]

Paid $75 AUD just to get the once skin from the loot crate. I see it as paying the game what it's worth/birthday present but I WON'T be buying it again for that much. I'm all for in game transactions but this is ludicrous, $75 just to get a skin is insanely greedy, very disappointed by what seems like such a community focused company. Especially given the growing fan base, if the just lowered the prices PEOPLE WOULD BUY MORE...

[@DovazX]

Hopefully the upcoming pricing and adjustments are good

[@KhemBMD]

People complaining about the base being destroyed is stupid. We KNEW we were going to possibly have them attack bases and lose them. This is one thing I don’t think they should concede it’s silly. Pay attention and moreover just move. Materials are INSANLEY easy to get in this game the tower is more of a loss than a base. But if you don’t move bc that’s on you. Adjusting dynamic event rewards is a problem the game has had for a while so I’m with ppl on that make chaosweavers worth doing. Make everything worth doing. And give us more events. And more cargo scrambles too plea ffs.

[@DovazX]

Ive never had my tower destroyed. I hear they just go to 0 hp and can be repaired anyway. But ya Way of winter has really felt like a big bag of not much to do. Especially the final phase where it was just an upgrade to the chaos weavers. Everyone did them the first day or two and now it's an afk server.

[@theblackishboy1105]

They should copy warframe in a way and make expensive skin packs that have really cool effects every few months or so, like they'll have a gun, a cradle, and a full skin with effects, like a running effect like POE, shooting effects, unique models etc and you can buy all of it for idk 75 bucks or buy a specific part for less plus a but of in game currency if you buy the bundle, maybe battle pass xp bonuses on top i think people would prefer that to whatever the hell this is

[@DovazX]

Might work. I think in general a large portion of gamers are just sick of loot crates and gacha RNG.

[@acceleratum]

I dont buy anything in a f2p game on the first days... the problem is that after 2 weeks I got nothing to do and have to wait 2 months for season to end to move on? I dont like the pacing and all the menus and currencies, etc.. and none of the is being changed so I guess ill go my way and not spend in this game. Shame cause it was pretty good but I see not point in continuing.

[@DovazX]

The pacing has always felt slow to me as a hardcore PvPer, except in the prismverse scenario. The only good thing about the pacing is you don't feel rushed and can go at your own pace and allows friends to keep up. If you like PvP I recommend trying prismverse for the speed. Otherwise check back when they bring another faster paced scenario

[@tibluestarit4720]

what do you mean 1280 is 15$ ? to get 1280 you have to spend 15$ then 5% again...

[@DovazX]

@@tibluestarit4720 ah, I messed that one up. Thanks for pointing it out. I coulda swore I double checked all those prices. I'll triple check next time.

[@xreaper147]

The new skin looks good,but is feeling like is arround 580-600...no special animation.And hope i wont see that car(speedy wings) on shop and they will ask us like "hey here is the car skin 200 bucks".............because i wont buy even if is a stand alone item,10-20-50 at best for skins

[@kbxbogdan]

50 for.a skin dude? That is the price of a full game! No way i will pay more than 10-15 for a skin. Other games have dlcs at 20 bucs... not just a skin.

[@DovazX]

Anything is better than the current loot crate system. BUT I agree if they put out vehicle skins for $200. Even though it's better than $600 and I'm sure some people would pay it. It will sour the game for the large majority of players. While we have them willing to make change, we need to keep pushing for a fair and reasonable pricing system. We all know they need to make money so the game doesn't die. But it will also die if all the players get fed up and leave.

[@kbxbogdan]

@@DovazX you are 100% right!

[@eafigarella]

Ok, having a straight store with no RNG on buying lootcrates is cool an d all but... The F2P players?? They should make new free stuff for everybody. They are expensive and the disparity between a user that pays and one that don't buy, is getting way too big. That's dumb, yes you want to have paying active players, but if F2P players leave, the game wont be having an increase community.

[@DovazX]

I mentioned in the video briefly that I'd like a way for people to earn the store currency by playing the game. Or maybe make items have a mitsuko mark or starchrom possible cost. I don't think it will happen but it would be a pleasant surprise. They could at least put a lot more cosmetics into the mitsuko mark shop if they don't want to make too drastic changes.

[@noctoi]

Ok, yes, it sucks... but it's a survival game?? At least there are areas that are less likely to have your base attacked. Either way, I guess I'll be getting some turrets built lol. Re the loot boxes, as much as I like some skins, I'm not buying loot crates. I don't gamble for ingame items with real world money. I also HATE... FREAKING HATE... getting 4/5 of an outfit but the last piece is shitfully low drop chance. Let me buy it outright for a REASONABLE price or I just won't bother. A lot of games could learn a bunch from FFXIV and GW2. Add dyes and they'll make bank on it, and we won't resent them nearly as much.

[@kzmbeatz]

bro. u need to disassemble this weapon

[@DovazX]

What you don't like the Icy rain? It's a lot of fun shooting a pea shooter that heals you infinitely. I have like 9 different gear/weapon sets and the meta stuff gets boring. This season I also ran the anabasis, pyroclasm, conflicting memories, bingo and some others. Just happened to have my Crit wpn DMG icy rain footage on hand

[@AiYunaEverAfter]

these skin prices are insane.. honestly $15+ for any skin this game has currently i feel is very overpriced.. idk what people have been playing that their so use to these ridiculous prices for a digital outfit.. I do enjoy the game but that is one of my biggest complaints.. $10-15 should be the absolute MAX a single item should cost.. then i see the Glass Territory pack.. and that's like $50.. and i see so many people's bases having them.. X.x

[@DovazX]

I'm thinking a lot of us have been conditioned by gacha games as well as Korean and Chinese MMOs. Sometimes it's hard to break free of a mindset that $15-600 dollars for a skin is crazy when your so used to watching people drop thousands on a new character or for p2w progression in those other games. I'm eager to see what the future pricing changes hold

[@Herne0011]

IMO too little too late. Winter really didnt go down well. Player count about to drop. PS the "map" was only released at least 4 days after the damage was already done. I get what you mean about the difference between PVP and PVE mentality. PVE means your stuff is safe no matter what - even having some gear drop on death was not popular with the PVE crowd. Making PVE into PVP lite has not gone down well at all. Consultation long before introducing things like that is highly suggested. You can make your game what you like and you can charge what you like - but players dont have to deal with it if they dont like what you do. Simple.

[@DovazX]

I think the general player consensus with way of winter is that it felt rushed and not tested well enough. I think they would benefit from public test servers before releasing scenarios in the future.

[@johnsanfilippo161]

$30 for any skin is too much. You get a skin for your house your bike and yourself. Thats $90 and you that every time it comes out. Come on WTF. Fix the lag and other shit Thats not right

[@DovazX]

While I agree that skin pricing should be micro. Most game companies just don't do micro pricing anymore. If they change from $150-600 gambling chance skins down to $30 for the legendary bike/car/skin set with animations etc and like $1,5,10,15 for every other option allowing direct purchase. I think that'd be a good compromise of them making money and players getting a decent value for optional spending. Id expect their investors at netease would rather shut the game down than go lower than that sadly.

[@southerngunner2614]

bro $30 is fair? for a skin? thats crazy. it's a skin! no full outfit should cost over $10.... I dont care how cool it is. you could literally buy a new bad ass game for $30....

[@DovazX]

In the realm of the free to play monetization model a $30 skin is usually the upper limit that people are willing to pay. With custom animations effects and all the bells and whistles. If we use league of legends which has been around forever it's like those evolving legendary skins. Is it fair, depends on the person, how much enjoyment and happiness it gives them. However I one hundred percent agree with buying full games instead. For $30 there's great indie games that came out recently like metal slug tactics, kill knight, Iron meat. Heck even TMNT splintered fate turned out to be really fun rather than what I expected to be a cash grab.

[@southerngunner2614]

@@DovazX cool. i just call it extortion and under no circumstance a skin should cost $30. just b/c some pay it doesn't make it ok. its a skin... a skin. think about it.