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[@eyes5877]

ok

[@alosreal]

I'm a bun, I'm a bun I'm a tasty, tasty bun To be baked and kneaded Oh, how fun You can have me with breakfast Have me with brunch You can have me with your dinner You can have me with your lunch

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Generated Art gets boring fast. It's like pulling on a gotcha machine but without getting the physical prize. AI as a whole is great, but Auto Generative Pictures is not the best fruit to harvest. Coming from the gaming industry. My point is made clearer. Virtual Reality benefits greatly from AI Tech compared to traditional and digital art. That said... The AI in games is not the same as AI Art. I get the legal copyright side, but the ethical side means nothing for corporations. (The fact that all copyright laws of all nations who have it, was broken when companies used unauthorized works in their Data Base, is the only point to make. While Contract Law was never for anyone but the companies to leverage. Job security is meaningless. Don't go working for a company that doesn't respect your time.) AI Art is fine. Just don't go breaking laws. But knowing Good and Evil. Don't follow the law as if it's holy. In the end, the majority of consumers don't really care when most USA Tech comes from China. Make Art worth buying. That's all. As very few Art makes history where the wrest are hardly remembered. Let alone, does art give inspiration to me. Not of today's era, if anything.

[@YellowcakeExperiments]

i cant even afford an ipd nor use procreate but the fact that they responded publicly and are openly against it feels like "made by artists for artists" and i really love that

[@tinyshinyfeathers]

Same! Even if I don't use their programs, it's always a win to see the developers of creative software support artists like this.

[@Dice-Z]

Reminds me when some game studios (eg: Terraria's) opposed Unity publicly against their BS which is honestly pretty similar to what Adobe has attempted, although Adobe is infinitely worse, and Unity's controversy isn't a low bar.

[@elatee]

hope it becomes available for Android devices, would love to try it out, especially after this accouncement

[@theartofthefart3244]

They have always been a “made by artists for artists” company, ever since they first launched in 2011.

[@chuuchu6078]

@@elatee Hoping for Windows as well. I'll give them my money instantly if it does lol

[@akumafuhen]

Procreate on pc would be huge.

[@Deidad_Dissitum]

They were asked about that and they said they were already working on a pc version! They are doing their job right! :D

[@ypesie]

A dream come true

[@PDD555]

Rightt? I only hope that they also release a Windows version, I can't afford anything from Apple

[@Deidad_Dissitum]

@@PDD555 me too, i hate apple but i love procreate. When they release the Windows version i will get it ASAP

[@harharharharharharharharha240]

Procreate in other softwares like android would be even more huge in my opinion

[@edenwayne8407]

Ai bros be defending ai talking about how much good it does for the feilds of medicine and engineering as if them stealing from artists has anything to do with it.

[@pancake.squirrel]

It’s also fantastic to see the BUSTED scientific images in journals-it consumes so much energy and so many resources that it’s just rvil

[@hellbreakfast1590]

I agree with your point, and also want to add: Even in medicine or engineering, ai really isn't that good. The "hallucinations" (ie: spitting out nonsense when they don't know the answer) they're prone to could be wildly dangerous in such complex fields. There would have to be fairly stringent human oversight for it to even approach being a good tool, but that isn't going to happen. The moment corporations feel safe to let this loose, they'll use it as an excuse to cut down staff, and anyone that's been to the doctor in the US lately can tell you why this is a horrible idea. I've not met many medical staff lately that aren't overworked and exhausted. Some insurance companies are already letting ai decide on benefit payouts, to disastrous effect. So beyond not having anything to do with art, their excuses are still rotten at the core. In a way, I envy their faith in the system. I don't envy the wake-up call they'll have once the leopards turn to eat their faces, though.

[@CNWPlayer]

im an AI bro... and i can't fucking deny this

[@Elijah42069]

@@hellbreakfast1590 So ur reasoning for ai being bad is that people use it for bad in those fields aswell? lol. Ok dark age reasoning fr

[@Trashsharkie]

@@Elijah42069ai can be good, i personally use chatgpt all the time. But generative ai is bad because it steals from artists and franksteins their work into ai images, without giving them any kind of royalties wich is supposed to be illegal

[@theartofthefart3244]

I’m a disabled artist and I’ve been able to message the developers about support features over SO MANY YEARS. They’ve made it easier for me to do my job, with many of the most intuitive features! They have touch friendly features with people like me in mind, I cannot hold a stylus, so I draw nd animate with my fingers! I was able to develop and use my own brushes that are finger friendly, and thanks to Procreate, I never had to give up on art! Huzzah to the studio and the CEO behind Procreate! It will always be my go to program!

[@cheemsdrip7478]

being good at drawing with fingers is an insane flex

[@theartofthefart3244]

@@cheemsdrip7478 oof, I’d be flattered if I wasn’t forced to use that method to adapt tbh. x -x It was eather learn, or literally never make art again

[@Scev]

I love drawing with my fingers, even if I still have a stylus! Also love that with some of my procreate brushes the lines with fingers are thiner, so I can change the thickness of my lines just by switching from stylus to finger (my apple pen is old with no pressure levels). Also love your pfp!!!

[@SaruTanku]

@@theartofthefart3244 Most people in your position would've taken the latter option because being lazy and just feeling sorry for yourself and saying "I can't" is allot easier then trying to get around the issue. But you didn't do what most people did, you refused to give up on your dream. So yeah, that's still a flex to be proud of!

[@uncroppedsoop]

​​@@theartofthefart3244 I'd be willing to bet most people couldn't follow through the way you did. bottlenecked into it or not, you still chose to stick to it and gain that skill. I have mad respect for that, if I could've kept to it with things like that more consistently I'd probably be insanely cracked at so many things by now, but most folks just can't find it in them to do that. I tip my autism headphones like a hat, to you

[@awiseauthor3456]

I'll never forget the time I talked with an AI art bro in college. He was 100% in support of it... his dream job? A concept artist.

[@DJtheAnimatorReal]

....who's gonna tell him

[@whiile1239]

To be fair. Many artists including jazza agree that hating on ai just because its ai is ignorant. The real issue with ai is that it steals peoples art for its programming. Im pretty sure adobe only used images from consenting people to make their air, which most artists consider ok

[@nickythehickey]

@@whiile1239their new tos says that their genai scrapes from all user databases and that users can’t opt out. that is not consent.

[@bigdadbeefsticks]

​​@@whiile1239It's incredibly disingenuous though to continue to treat the situation like people are just hating to hate when artists have been screaming at the top of their lungs for years about the ethical, financial, and ecological issues with these big corps. Not to mention that consent nonsense that's been disproven time and time again. These companies don't train their Gen Ais with consent, they tell you that by simply using their content they will scrape you. Also they claim that they will allow users to opt out; but either wait weeks after they implement their AI to actually offer people the option to opt out, or they ship their AI with everyone automatically opted in and then hide the setting deep in a menu somewhere. Consent doesn't make companies money, and so they will avoid whenever possible.

[@chuuchu6078]

@@whiile1239 None of these generators have been trained only with data from people who consented. If they did they simply wouldn't have the data to generate anything halfway decent. Also allowing people to opt-out isn't the same as asking for consent.

[@skullchimes]

GenAI has no place in art programs

[@-Seaheart-]

Shouldn’t have* unfortunately even people who can draw are selling out.

[@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMe]

Yeah, art is created and worked on by a human with human thoughts and emotions, not generated by a souless ai

[@toniestbook9644]

It’s a huge slap in the face to people who use the product/program like you just ruined your reputation and the trust of your customers who use it for either a income or for pure creativity to basically replace them ands it’s just tone deaf it helps the company not the people

[@__Sir_FooLouU__]

so true, mr Kennedy

[@Zombina638]

@@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMeeh disagree

[@tiredlink15]

this is why it's always morally correct to pirate from adobe

[@ibnudermawan7232]

hehehe

[@ZarinuLoren]

If Procreate devs really make PC version of their app, i'll ditch Photoshop so fast lol.

[@Lhou999]

hell yeah

[@salamandercriskai9502]

Never ever going to pay adobe

[@pabcakeh]

so real

[@EvanBear]

I also got an ipad JUST for procreate and I was super worried they were now supporting it, soooo relieved that the opposite is the case. Now I know for sure I made the right choice.

[@confusedfrog294]

Same :D

[@Plvsh_fox]

Yesssss after years of begging my dad, I finally got one on sale! I love procreate sm

[@bigdadbeefsticks]

I also bought an iPad Pro and pencil years ago as an expensive drawing tablet so I could use procreate. Bought the application for like 12 dollars and I've been beyond satisfied.

[@smiklosovic8971]

Procreate was the only reason I got an iPad too. It's been probably 8 years, and it's still the only thing I use my iPad for. 100% worth it. Procreate is probably one of my favorite purchases ever.

[@cherryl0verr388]

Omg same here!

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

These ai bros are the same ones who promised NFTs were the future. And we all saw how that turned out

[@krabatnightmare]

Lol exactly. I hope the GenAi fad also gets the same fate as NFTs

[@Elijah42069]

I assure u they are not lol

[@TheVenhammer]

@@Elijah42069they’re not the same? It was all the same tactics and talking points with crypto, then it was all the same with NFTs, and now its the same with AI if they’re not the same people then they’re so similar that there might as well not be a difference.

[@liuliu1221]

​@@Elijah42069all of crypto/ai bros are the same, yes, they jump at the new tech trend

[@bakawaki]

All the NFT grifters hopped onto the AI grift.

[@_uc55]

Take notes, Adobe.

[@moriyamakyon1067]

adobe isn't relying on only drawings, they are industry standard and aren't scared of loosing their user base unlike procreate

[@ARandomEliatrope]

@@moriyamakyon1067 dnc

[@ypesie]

I am on the verge of switching to clip studio at this point

[@Gamingpandacat]

@@ypesie I was trying to learn photoshop and the second i switched to clip studio it felt better, photoshop might have the heal brush or whatever but that's about it, you can even use your custom brushes and open photoshop files in clip studio, its insane how easy and clutter free that program is

[@SoapiiOSC]

@@moriyamakyon1067we do not care

[@Linudroit]

Ai bros saying that this is the "end" of procreate have obviously never seen the true end of an art program. Gimp sucks ass and its still around, so i doubt being anti-ai will kill one of the biggest art programs

[@moriyamakyon1067]

"Gimp sucks ass and its still around" gimp sucked ass years ago, same with inkscape, today gimp is near photoshop level except some features like ai, content-aware fill etc. , in case with inkscape it feels better for me than adobe illustrator

[@avgchoobafan]

Having separate rotate, scale, and move tools instead of ome transform tool that does those 3 at the same time is the prime example of "sucking ass" Although i'm glad GIMP exists and is being actively developed, but don't cover the sun with a finger, the program does have a usability that is lacking in a lot of ways, not that it is unusable but could be way better.

[@Dice-Z]

Ahh good ol' gimp.

[@Elijah42069]

@@avgchoobafan Gimps free bro u get what u get and u dont pitch a fit

[@orangejuliaa]

@@avgchoobafani mean there is a unified transform tool, you just gotta switch it out for the rotate

[@ThorneIdentity]

this is the best take on all this. all the pro Ai folks are those who are jealous of people who can actually make stuff. They don't want to be able to make the things, they want to be able to go to the parties generated by artistic success without having to do any of the work to get there. they'll fail. AI isn't even AI. It's a grift.

[@NeoEvanA.R.T]

What you mean "actually makes stuff", AI users ain't making anything *PERIOD*, they just commissioning a Machine instead of human.

[@amimirmimir512]

@@NeoEvanA.R.T you literally just repeated what he said

[@NeoEvanA.R.T]

@@amimirmimir512 I hope you reading comprehension improve.

[@amimirmimir512]

@@NeoEvanA.R.T do you even know the definition of actually?

[@NeoEvanA.R.T]

@@amimirmimir512 how about you actually get some women instead.

[@art4anj]

Their stance on AI doesn’t surprise me at all. I’ve been using Procreate since 2011 and the reason why I BELIEVE in them is because of how they communicate with their ARTISTS! They developed procreate with constant passion and support for HUMAN CREATIVITY! I’ve experienced the GROWTH of procreate because they let artists IN towards their own growth too! The fact that their apps, Procreate and Dreams are still ONE-TIME PAYMENT shows how their goal is creation over profit 😌 Procreate has always been a COLLABORATIVE effort between ARTISTS & DEVELOPERS(who are artists themselves) and this why I will always be a proud Procreate Artist 💜

[@Dice-Z]

I am so, so tired of corporations trying to push so aggressively for a model as unreasonable as subscriptions. People can only be subscribed to so many things.

[@HeroOfTime64Link]

And their prices are cheap!

[@art4anj]

@@HeroOfTime64Link Yes! I remember buying the app in 2011 and it was $4.99, the price increase isn’t too big despite the HUGE updates that have happened in 10+yrs 💜

[@gmdking]

But I need my generative ai!!!! Creativity is a scam! Long live AI!! Steal art!! /j

[@DMXRUSER]

@@gmdking*generative ai, sorry.

[@ZentaBon]

It's morally ok to take a poop on the desk of the top Adobe executives.

[@ZentaBon]

i can't believe I got 9 people agreeing with me lol but I do wholeheartedly believe this and it's inspired by a line from an old Minecraft parody song "Like a Block" and the line is "shit on notch's desk"

[@MeWhenTheWhen.]

@@ZentaBon that's the best inspiration i've ever heard of 😭

[@JackFoxtrotEDM]

@@ZentaBonHidden memory unlocked.

[@ZentaBon]

@@MeWhenTheWhen. XD I'm glad you liked it, give the song a listen when you get a chance it's one of the OGs for me like TNT

[@cooliotrainlover1213]

or put a physical copy of every adobe product in jello

[@spleenikfan158]

art software company being harassed for being BASED

[@SpookyDeerArt]

the argument that "ai is the future and ai will one day be more creative than humanity" is absolutely bonkers to me since ai is entirely built off of stolen human creativity and, not only does it generally look repetitive and uninspired, to be "more creative than humanity" it would have to build independently off itself which... i mean, surely you've seen the facebook slop ai shrimp jesus pictures where the prompts are just iterating off of themselves? the ai slop of women with two torsos, four boobs, asking for a husband on facebook where the image has clearly been built off of other ai images for them to "hallucinate" so horribly?? if this is the future of art they want, i'd rather live the rest of my life without ever seeing another "art" piece in my life. their entire belief system on gen ai is built on tech that doesn't exist and is billions of dollars out of reach while simultaneously lighting the world on fire. it's like if every tech bro animorphed into a dr. evil style cartoon villain to have such a stupid plot. filling the world with face melting robert downey jr's with boobs and shrimp legs while absolutely melting the ice caps like it's a numbers game and as long as number go up, gets higher, they giggle and clap.

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

Yeah. To even start being creative, AI would probably need to develop something like self awareness or sentience. The hallucinations and stuff can be unintentionally funny sometimes, but overall it’s doing more harm than good right now in a lot of areas.

[@deriko11d]

ai shrimp jesus is the only good thing about ai

[@cesar6447]

What is creativity? Originality exist?

[@pliat]

How do you think the human mind works.

[@moldycheese6635]

Also, a lot of these AI bros forget about AI inbreeding. If AI were to take over the industry, the AI would only have other AI material to look at. The datasets would become smaller and smaller as AI would increasingly study other AI material. Along with this, AI slightly alters patterns every time in generates an image, meaning eventually AI images will be unrecognizable patterns that all look identical.

[@ohahmystical2976]

I can’t comprehend why AI bros are so held up on going into Digital Art spaces, they don’t view their own ‘work’ as actual art because they create useless false Timelapse’s so they can hide in other communities. Digital artists don’t pretend to be traditional artists, if you feel the need to hide your art media, then you do not view the art you were doing as an actual art, if you did you’d not be hiding their AI-ness. Don’t get me wrong, AI shouldn’t have a platform. It steals from artists hard work so then people who do nothing to warrant it, can get praise and rewards for sitting down and typing in a prompt. AI bro’s are not proper artists, they are over rewarded commissioners who don’t bother paying. If you can take away everything from an artist and give them a piece of paper and pencil, they will still be able to draw. Take away an AI Bro’s engine, they won’t be able to do anything.

[@pliat]

Take away a musicians instrument and they can’t play anything.

[@EternaSoSleepy]

@@pliatwrong bro, we got mouths & hands, nothing stopping them from accapella, whistling, clapping, beatboxing, & much more

[@empty_nam]

​@@EternaSoSleepy take away their life what they gonna do about that they cant make music no more

[@cyberneticcherrybomber5318]

@@empty_namit’s rather difficult to do anything if you lose your life, much less play an instrument :/

[@notjeih]

​​@@empty_nam that'snothowitfuckingworks

[@cerulity32k]

This could be a turning point. Let's start advertising stuff as AI-free. It would be so cool.

[@InvasionAnimation]

The AIdiots will just start using that on their AI slop.

[@HeroOfTime64Link]

Yeah. That'd sell to me

[@Ziilus]

@@HeroOfTime64LinkSee, even VG celebrity Link agrees! That’s how you know it’s a good idea!

[@dr.consumerock6798]

Leave the chatbots alone though, I can't bully Alice the Bully on CharacterAI if there's no Ai!

[@jacksonvoet8312]

@@dr.consumerock6798 Fair enough. Those are good for shitposts, so it shall be spared.

[@katharinafisher394]

My poor, tired heart does a little happy dance right now...

[@MuddyHammer]

Silly pain...

[@smiklosovic8971]

I've been using procreate for years and I have never once regretted it. They've been super vocal from the beginning about refusing to change from a one-time purchase to a subscription model, and hearing that they're publicly rejecting ai as well is great news.

[@maximilianwalker5961]

I wish we'd stop calling AI-generated images "art." It's not. It's an image that has been generated. Art is something creative that a biological creature can make. Generative AI is as creative as the people who use it to generate images. The only thing I use AI for is text to speech, but that's due to having a disability and not being able to understand writing well. AI should be used as a tool for people who need it- not as a free exploit for people who want free "art."

[@枒]

I’ve been calling it AI imagery

[@cesar6447]

Boi, not too long ago digital art was hated by artist, till the definition changed

[@Ziilus]

My hermit crab can definitely make art more genuine than the generative AI slop, and I’d have to force them onto the canvas! They would have no say!

[@Ziilus]

@@cesar6447what

[@tezcanaslan2877]

You don’t have the power to dictate something is not “art”. Ultimately the viewer is the one that can give the final verdict.

[@serenegenerally]

Makes out with procreate

[@theman13532]

procreate with procreate

[@Frick8375]

🤤

[@Salithin]

Buy me a user-generated drink first

[@conspiracypanda1200]

Procreate with the long-term, stable relationship and good communication skills vs Adobe who demands you buy more and more expensive gifts for them and steals your credit card and ID when you aren't looking.

[@serenegenerally]

@@conspiracypanda1200 adobe that gaslights and lovebombs you vs procreate that treats you with care

[@zebnemma]

Even if CSP backed out from launching the AI generator for their program I still can't trust them now. Because the fact that they even thought it was a good idea in the first place shows they have some insanely bad judgement and didn't care about screwing over artists at the time. And also they are not getting my money anyway since they became a subscription service. Screw over artists? Well my trust is forever broken, deal with it. Remember the time when companies actually knew their customers and what their customers want, as they are part of that community themselves? Well in modern age it's the reverse: all companies are run by greedy rich people who are 5 dimensions detached from the product and community they are selling to. They only see the dollar signs, and that's it. All modern CEOs are like parasites who want to suck the company dry as much as possible, they don't even care if it hurts their credibility.

[@zebnemma]

​@veipurr I use Krita alot personally, for some programs that I am boycotting there's other ways to use their programs if you get what I mean. ;) But you can honest to god create profesional art with just Krita, I'm of the belief you don't need that many brushes, if you have 5 brushes that are solid and you get used to those you can create anything pretty much. It's about skill anyway, not about having a billion brushes. The only thing I do is to color correct with PS after the painting is done, as Kritas color corrector is lacking, but other then that... Krita works for me tbh. And no I'm not paying for PS, I could never afford those insane subscription prices. Even some old version of PS works, as they have barely even changed the program in 15 years, yet they are charging prices as if PS is blood diamonds or something. They can F off with that scam!

[@ryanwillingham]

@veipurr i've never used CSP but i'll always recommend Krita. it's got a ton of features and is also completely free and open-source, so there's nothing to lose by trying it.

[@smoppet]

I paid $25 for CSP and I have 0 plans to upgrade. I'll probably continue using it "forever", but what you said still rings true.

[@Hello-hello-hello456]

Unfortunately for comic artists, there's no other software so well tailored for comic making

[@zebnemma]

@@Hello-hello-hello456 I used to create my own shitty comics with real paper and ink and all that stuff back when I was 10-16. Doing it digitally is luxury compared to doing it with ink, as I have made comics digitally too lately. Not sure why you would only want to create comics with CSP when doing it digitally is so easy no matter what program you use, so it's not like you are forced to only do it on CSP when there are so many digital programs.

[@noodli8138]

as a procreate user of just over 2 years now, I can say confidently I am absolutely satisfied with my purchase. The tools in Procreate have allowed me to grow so much more than the software I downloaded on my laptop ever would, the diversity in brushes, the cool little hidden features I’ve gotten used to using over time, It’s literally an indispensable part of my drawing process now. I am absolutely thrilled that they’re taking such a firm stance against generative AI, I hate the idea of it ripping off genuinely skilled and talented artists and discouraging new artists from joining the art community.

[@KuticorBuilds]

Im so happy Procreate is choosing to side with the artists who actually use their app!

[@havocsTeacher]

See the thing is: even if an AI generated image **is** better than a human's on a technical level, I would still dislike it because a human didn't make it.

[@havocsTeacher]

I'm an artist and I would never use image generation for anything.

[@Dice-Z]

That's one of the many reasons why it's not quite the threat people think it is. People have always sought out hand made stuff even in the face of industrialization, and there's even more value to doing so with art. Sure some people will try to fool others, and it'll happen sometimes... but eventually we always find ways to separate the fake from the real, and create ways to guarantee the authenticity of a product, even if just through reputational excellence, proper curators, etc...

[@Poyoyorin]

Everything is better when there's something human in it. Lots of media are praised when their work resonates with people, humans. That goes the same with art. Just look at Avogado6 as an example! People love the guy for illustrating dark themes about the human life.

[@emilyweston460]

Exactly. Even in a dream scenario (that I doubt we'll ever achieve) where genAI "art" was totally ethical, environmentally friendly, always looked good, and was not used by the ultra rich to push all sorts of human art out of games, comics, music, film, writing, and where we had regulation, etc, etc, etc... I still wouldn't want it, pay for it, or want to use it. The point is *doing* the art. That's the fun part. *Doing it*, learning it, and enjoying the art other artists made, not generated.

[@liuliu1221]

The reason why it would be better than human made is because it takes from human made.

[@vanessasonica]

Ai is good to progress in medicine & do things otherwise human hands would cause error like complex & delicates surgeries. Ai would be perfect to help with daily & important tasks like helping with taxes, chores, help with management, anything that is practical tasks. However, Ai has no place in entertainment. I want Ai to help me do my daily, adult tasks so i can have more free time to do art & other hobbies. It shouldn’t be the other way around.

[@femo3336]

fr

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

Comments further up suggest otherwise, regarding medical use. Digital calendars seem better for organisation/reminders.

[@pliat]

All that seems like one rule for me one for everything else. AI can replace accountants but not artists. Let’s also be clear, AI isnt stopping you from doing art or your hobbies, the existence of the speaker hasn’t stopped me from playing music.

[@edorasmarauder5761]

@@pliatUsing the speaker as a replacement for AI is not a good comparison. Speakers are accessories that you can plug in your electric guitar, keyboard piano etc etc etc so you can be heard. It was never about replacements.

[@pliat]

@@edorasmarauder5761 speakers can be infused into instruments like the electric guitar, or even entirely new instruments like the Theramin. However speakers are mostly used to replace musicians, like in restaurants for example. Where there used to be a band or pianist there is now a speaker regurgitating recorded tracks. I’m not talking about speakers replacing the writing of music, they are replacing where the sound comes from in the first place, if you see what i mean. AI much like speakers can already in many cases replace artists, and it can only do so because of the input of previous artists, but it can also be used as a tool to supplement or create entirely new styles of art, like the kind of ‘early AI hallucination’ style.

[@drewbleee]

Procreate hosts artistic creativity, AI signifies the end of that. I'm glad Procreate took that stance.

[@ScoutPlaysKalimba01]

Top 2 hardest quotes this year 2. Crativity is made, not generated 1. Culture shouldn't exist only for those who can afford it

[@ScoutPlaysKalimba01]

I will update the chart when a new quote drops

[@TeasilaNova]

these AIbros act like you need AI to breathe. i wonder if they are fearmongering so much cause they lot money on their stocks.

[@eyezalone2591]

Yeah like the others say, ai bros can't think without help

[@ZarinuLoren]

I'm sure many of those aibros didn't even knew or used Procreate before their CEO statement but suddenly they have oPiNiOnS lol.

[@lordcaprisunthe2nd]

@@ZarinuLorenThey haven’t touched a single real art program in their lives

[@birdiejett3163]

The CHAD Procreate vs the VIRGIN Adobe

[@Classified16]

Never say that ever again

[@goblindude4242]

I was SO scared by the title and ready to resign myself to go looking for better programs… but it’s GREAT NEWS. Shouldn’t be so surprising but it is, and I really appreciate their firm stance.

[@Kalitayy]

Tech bros use GenAI to cope with their worthlessness. They say “should’ve learn to code” and “shouldn’t have gotten than Art degree”. Yet not only are they completely useless outside of the companies they work at, but they get laid off every month. While artists and creatives can pretty much make a living doing pretty much anything for themselves, not under anyone else.

[@Dice-Z]

Sorry but this is the wildest fiction ever written lol. It couldn't be any further from the truth. Most artists are constantly underpaid, struggling to make ends meet, and constantly abused and exploited by corporations. Whereas programmers are some of the highest paid salaries in the world, they are in extremely high demand everywhere, hard to find let alone competent ones, and they have extreme job safety if they play their cards right. But i highly doubt any of the tech bros and ai bros that would say such asinine quotes ever touched a line of code in their life. Make sure you're not mistaking the wrong people for your enemies.

[@xdani_thethinkingneko]

You've never seen the leaked mid journey messages? They absolutely do say stuff like that.​@@Dice-Z

[@yumekarisu9168]

​@@Dice-Ztrue, I doubt AI bro ever code anything than hello world at all since even in software engineering we get AI bro that kept yelling that SWE will be replaced by AI in any day now lmao

[@okijoki_art]

They say "should've learned to code" but you can easily say "should've learned to pick up a pencil/draw".

[@Kalitayy]

⁠@@Dice-Zthe only reason why artists are underpaid is simply because companies refuse to hire and pay artists. Artists are the only people who can actually create something out of nothing. In theory, artists should be among the highest paid individuals. In a perfect world, artists would be billionaires.

[@ToastersToastToast]

CREATIVITY IS MADE, NOT GENERATED!

[@Classified16]

No, you have to be born with creativity, there’s people who don’t have it so that that saying should be more like “Skill is made, not generated”

[@arsonzartz]

@@Classified16 creativity doesn't equal skill. You can be extremely creative but bad at drawing.

[@gamer_glenn5438]

​@@arsonzartzthat is literally me

[@interlapsed]

The thumbnail and the title made me think that this was a moist critikal video for a second lmao Anyways big procreate w

[@magnum567134]

Good on Procreate! I'm glad they're not caving to the shareholders that don't know shit

[@droycon]

I don’t think the people that complain about this ever felt joy using a pencil and expressing themselves or ever even used art software

[@Anthophobia]

I don’t understand why tech bros are so adamant about AI “being better than artists in the future” like bro who the fuck wants that?? Artists *like* making art. When I think of AI being useful in the future it’s to do the shit I *don’t* wanna do.

[@christianmccauley7340]

I think it’s because most tech bros nowadays are extremely far right, and the extremely far right hates art. Like, genuinely, it’s why 99 percent of all art is made by some transgender chick

[@musicwolf4655]

What?​@@christianmccauley7340

[@mothaclysm]

ai should be used for shitty jobs, not jobs that people actually enjoy

[@Anthophobia]

@@mothaclysm exactly

[@cesar6447]

But when ai takes over jobs like server, a job everyone complains about they hate on it too.​@@mothaclysm

[@essenceofherbal4125]

I see this as a win You go procreate :D

[@jayIG]

ai bros like to make arguments for genai based on what will (could) be and not what is

[@Dice-Z]

Very true lmao. Some of them are so silly. It's not entirely unreasonable if you consider the fact that the technology is in its experimental, earliest stage. People imagine AI is what computers from the mid 20th century were like, when it's more like computers from the mid 19th century, or might even be closer to the slide rule invented in the 17th century for all we know. Compared to computers now. That's how much potential for growth AI has, if not more. Maybe it'll be pretty stagnant or plateau way earlier alongside the curve, but that's very unlikely and there's not much we can do to stop it. But AI bros trying to defend the current flaws and unethical issues of AIs because of "it'll get better eventually" are insufferable, especially when it's an excuse to use it and disresepct artists without getting shamed for it. It needs to be kept in check, *_now._*

[@dixitwastaken]

The sequel to "NFTs will become so profitable in the future you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

[@cesar6447]

Well obviously, it's technology, or phone were always what it is now? Technology advances at light speed and it's meant to be a plan for the future, Da Vinci didn't live to see humans traveling on the air, it was meant for the future

[@dixitwastaken]

@@cesar6447 At least phones did their intended purpose of calling when they were first invented. Generative barely even has a real purpose outside of just claims of what it can do. Programing AI to detect cancers/sort trash/run factories/etc makes sense and has a clear purpose. Programing AI to...write like a person? And generate images? What is that for? I can kind of see the writing AI be used for editing or maybe getting an idea for phrasing but you can also just make a program dedicated to being a writing tool and probably have it work better than the AI chatbots do on that front. As far as images go we already can do art and photography perfectly on our own. Even if you put the art and writing theft aside Gen AI is still just kind of silly...

[@cesar6447]

@@dixitwastaken AI as it name can tell you that, it's made to act like a human, to think and understan like a human but man-made, artificial intelligence, there are many types of intelligent, one of them it's the creative intelligence

[@nmr7203]

Now they just need to fix Procreate Dreams.

[@Gab-tc2mr]

I’ve been waiting for that update since it released 😢

[@nateeeeeee]

Wait whats wrong with it?

[@lyasweetheart]

@@nateeeeeeemainly the learning curve… the navigation of the app is SO DIFFERENT from the drawing app 😭 it has sooo much potential but when u use dreams, it’s like finding hidden chests on how to find certain buttons, timelines, colour pallets and so on 🫠 so yea… a lot needs to be fixed

[@marzvstheworld]

I just prefer ToonSquid, which is cheaper if I remember correctly

[@bakad5458]

its hilarious ppl think procreate is some “good guy” company when they released dreams which is LEGIT just a cash grab, theyve barely touched it since release even though ON LAUNCH people already talked about the glaring issues

[@EpicSandwich301]

Ibis paint X (mobile drawing platform, manga/anime focused) also tried AI They added anti-AI feature like a week after

[@i_sleep_with_lights_on]

W ibis paint x for the anti-ai feature (but an L for the ai feature)

[@blockshift758]

The Ai feature is still there and the anti AI feature they added is the laziest one I have seen and it literally ruins the art.

[@liuliu1221]

​@@blockshift758The AI feature isn't in and the anti AI feature its like that BECAUSE it breaks the machine.

[@blockshift758]

@@liuliu1221 first it is still there in the same exact spot. And second you're right but you missed my point. The point is there are other programs that are doing it without completely changing how the art feels.

[@ohahmystical2976]

I’m pretty sure once it was added they removed it immediately at the backlash from the community

[@old_memoriaa]

Thank GOD, I saw the title and got worried because I’ve been using procreate since 2021, if they had come out in support of ai I would probably lose it 😭

[@yin-sin]

I want AI to help me with chores so I can be creative

[@polfloe10]

yess!!! i really dislike *generative* ai

[@NotEvelyn3]

The best take I’ve heard on this is “AI doesn’t create *art*. It creates an *image*, a *picture*. Not *art*.” I wholeheartedly believe that. My highschool had a logo created by a parent of a student. Would AI have been able to create something as meaningful as it? No. The only thing AI does is steal from artists. It doesn’t “make its own image,” it takes from artists’ art and uses it to make whatever the heck it makes. AI is *not* art.

[@Falien.i]

this is why I love procreate. Generated "art" is not art. people are really becoming less and less creative

[@lucymorrison]

we need to stop calling this disgusting slop "art". we also need to stop calling the slop churn "ai" it is not intelligent. it is pattern recognition software that steals human creations and sharts out meaningless sludge

[@Bongu5.dongu5]

9:06 That’s like saying if a paper doesn’t have ai people will stop using it 🙃

[@kindlekittens]

As bad as it is that clipstudio tried in the first place,I have respect that they listened and turned it around

[@sleepycowboy18]

Ai will never be creative, they only can emulate 'creativity'

[@napoleonofstupidity2174]

at least one of the arguments the tech bros have wont work on me tbh "it's like how the google pixel had a headphone jack when apple didn't! do they still have it? no!" apple should've kept the headphone jack in the first place. i do not like bluetooth headphones. one of the many reasons i go for android phones "ai will be better at creativity than humans!" no, it's only better than me at rendering and that's about it, and even then that's debatable. i've tried to have ai generate a sort of obscure character and got MUSH instead.

[@tinyshinyfeathers]

Once had an AI bro try to tell me gen AI is more efficient at learning than artists are. These guys don't even know how machine learning works lmao

[@Dice-Z]

@@tinyshinyfeathers Do you? There are some ways in which AIs learn that are near infinitely faster than humans. The way AI learns is modeled after human brains, with far, far more processing power. They learn through trial and error. It's only the model for a "brain" that is primitive, but it won't be for long. Even things like fully recognizing what a concept is, like a hand, a face, a cat, a dog, a color, etc... or learning limb coordinations and such, is something that takes years as you grow up, months at best. It can take seconds for an AI especially if you just keep giving it more processing power, and it'll only get better as they are designed to become smarter. An AI that has never learned anything with an adult human with decades of experience is not an equal comparison. That doesn't make it a valid AI art argument, but you're kidding yourself if you think AIs don't have processing powers that are in a completely different realm. Now if they were trying to say that AIs learn drawing faster than humans, that's silly, because AIs don't learn drawing at all, they don't need to, as they are not drawing, they are generating from a set of informations/parameters, that'd be like saying printers draw faster than people. Also, the answer is, no, you don't, because even the people making the best AIs right now don't entirely comprehend how AIs learn. I hope you're not making a "it needs human to feed it all the knowledge argument" because not only does that say nothing about its learning capabilities, AI is also able to learn things on its own. I don't know, watch any video on youtube of AIs trying to learn in games or simulations people give them, that'll give you a vague idea. The AIs are doing everything themselves, they are only told whether they did a good job or not. I'm tired of people acting like they can't hate AI while also appreciating the technological feats behind it. You don't need to try to dumb it down to make it look dumb to make your point.

[@tinyshinyfeathers]

@@Dice-Z If it needs that much more processing power than a human (not to mention the vast amounts of electricity and fresh water that generative AI in particular requires), it's not efficient.

[@campcampcamp]

​@@Dice-Z AI can't learn the right thing about art. It's like how if you copy paste someone's art as your own, you don't understand how the features work, why it was drawn as such. Artists can be versatile, they can learn different mediums and change and grow, Generative AI is stuck on 2D digital art.

[@campcampcamp]

Not 2D only sorry, but yeah

[@snorpington5910]

funny thing is people who appreciate art will most likely not buy from aibros because whats stopping them from just typing a prompt themselves? anyone can do it. with additional payments to image editors, aibros are losing money vs earning.

[@njnjco]

I wonder if this statement was sort of prompted by the backlash to ergojosh's ai video. He's seen as a sort of an unofficial face of Procreate on youtube as that's his drawing program of choice. Either way, it's great. The problem with ai (besides the ethics and legality, of course) is that if you're compitant at something, you don't need ai to do that thing. Take searching for information on the internet for example. If you know how to do that, you are better at it than an ai, which could hallucinate or feed you false info. If you can draw, you don't need ai art.

[@LocalPest]

I find it weird that we say AI can 'hallucinate', it's a bunch of code, the AI is just plain lying

[@bigdadbeefsticks]

To piggy back off your point: It goes even beyond redundancy for artists using AI. Because using it quickly becomes a trap that can damage your progress as an artist. Gen ai is a crutch that you get used to, so you don't learn the actual art skill you set out to master. It would be like saying "I'm gonna go to the kitchen" but instead of just doing what you need to do to go to your kitchen, you decide to take a flight halfway across the world first. It's a waste of time and effort. Literally only adds extra steps and makes things so much harder.

[@njnjco]

@@bigdadbeefsticks That's a really good point. I didn't consider how you would be nerfing your own skills in the long run.

[@cosmicllama6910]

That ErgoJosh video was really embarassing to me that he said his process took 100 hours and it was just a MESS of hair. It looked like he got so lost in the aesthetic of the hair that he forgot to have it make any sense. I know the best art can break the rules sometimes, but in this case it felt more like a lapse of judgement than "artistic choice" He really shouldn't need AI to get creative making lots of flowing hair. It seems like exactly the kind of detail that should be fun and fulfilling to do yourself, with good old real reference if anything.

[@TinyFlyThing]

It's funny, the tech-bro saying procreate needs to "disrupt" doesn't see that THEY ARE DOING THAT with taking a stand against AI. It's not a tech question, it's a marketing and brand question. Do you know how many artists will think of procreate as the "good guys" now?! They stand out by disrupting the current status quo of art-programs. IT'S SO OBVIOUS IT HURTS. Another examples of these people just throwing words around without understanding what they mean.

[@yepisuredolikecats3979]

Another common procreate W. I love love love their program, and I love love love that they don’t use a subscription program. They don’t beg me for more money, there’s no ads. They just make a fantastic program, I pay for it once, and now I use it almost exclusively.

[@imkayjaylea]

One word/acronym: NFT Remember when every uncreative, single celled organism in the crypto space said 2-3 years ago that NFTs were gonna be in everything and if you didn't implement Web3 features you'd be left behind. Well look who's holding THAT bag.. 😂🎉🎉

[@bottomtext593]

W for Procreate for not only mentioning they wont use generative AI models, but also making it very clear generative AI is ALSO art theft.

[@red.laser.]

Yeah I make music and AI is hated just as much over here.

[@AfterArtist]

Adobe is starting my career in sailing the 7 seas

[@phone_gal]

ai bros when they can't cheat their way into art (they're pissed that they cant actually draw)

[@colixart]

Someone on Reddit said “artist just need to grasp the fact that they are not good enough anymore.“ then edited their message when they got hit with dislikes saying “who knew this COMIC subreddit would have so many butthurt ARTISTS”

[@Villager_U]

Procreate team are so based

[@Jackspladt]

Ai bros are such confusing people. Because like, your a person who clearly doesn’t make actual art, so what right do you have to be telling actual artists that “Ai is the future” and “your creativity is worse than it”. We’ve seen what actual artists can do, we’ve seen what Ai can do. While ai is improving human artists are, and always will be better. Even if ai could make the most beautiful images imaginable human artists always have more humanity behind them. In general I just don’t get the argument, especially when these people have clearly never tried to make art themselves. All they do is blindly follow Elon musk and NFT’s so they can hide the fact of how worthless they are otherwise

[@tzarg]

that start reminded me of what my brother said like- if you're using AI because you like profit, then stop fucking telling me that I should start using it oh my god.

[@jarvy251]

They're grifters, they see it as a way to make money for free, so they're trying their best to push it on people who never asked.

[@TeagueisTrash]

i love how generative ai cant distinguish real art from other ai generated art so its just eating itself now, just creating these inbred ai images

[@regenbogen_sim]

Honestly they look so weird and creepy lmao 😂 especially if they get more and more recycled

[@yall_girl_eve]

Whoa, i never considered using procreate, now i definitely do.

[@gaminggladiator06]

The only people that want ai art are the people who don’t make art. How poetic that the uncreative group support a program that makes art for them.

[@zinzolin14]

Never used Procreate but I'm happy to see them take this stance towards GenAI. If they ever release a PC app I'd love to try them out.

[@toniestbook9644]

I’m really glad procreate has stood against generative ai and didn’t do the adobe root cause it’s just a huge slap in the faces of people who use the program for creating with a passion rather than creating for malicious and disingenuous(not to mention lazy/cheap) that ai has been obviously used for

[@KH0LRA]

Props to to them for joining the fight against generative AI. I'm working on getting Affinity and eventually Procreate in the far future once I am no longer obliged to use adobe for college

[@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMe]

Procreate actually cares a lot about the artists :D they dont add any unnecessary things (thatll even UPSET people) if i said anything more, itd be basicslly repeating what a lot of people said already. And not only that its cheap and one time payment

[@shadysubject06]

13:43 "AI will be better at creativity than humans! .....Just ignore the fact that we needed to feed it a bunch of art without any artist's permission to make it make art. And that we need to continue feeding it art so it'll make more art. And that it can't get anatomy right. And that artists fight it even though we swear it'll make their lives better. Because it is better. We swear."

[@dragonetafireball]

Thank goodness I really don’t want WIPs scraped. Like I already don’t like any of my art being scraped but especially not WIPs

[@Pinkcircleguy]

AI is pretty good, just not for creating art though. That's just plagiarising with extra steps if you claim it as your own.

[@kittredge_mae]

JSAB PFP RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@Pinkcircleguy]

@@kittredge_mae YEAAAHHHH :bangbang: :bangbang: !! !!

[@donnycorn3086]

so, AI bro melting down over an art software not having AI art generator. Am I missing anything else?

[@johannymilord3371]

Been an active user on procreate for 3 years and quite honestly it had really elevated my artwork to a whole another level, im glad procreate did the right thing by taking a stand against A.I. and also supporting human artists.

[@isolate6509]

Perhaps I should get procreate. If its the only safe place to store my art, then I'd gladly save up and pay the price for it. Now I just have to find a safe place to put my writing.

[@LockyTheLucky]

Honestly, bro just said straight facts. People just have to accept the truth

[@goldegreen]

Oooh if Procreate gets a desktop app I may start using it. I love this strong pro-artist stance.

[@MayliSong]

News that really shouldn’t be controversial: -Art program decides not to integrate art stealing ai into their art problem for artists -Oxygen is pretty cool

[@MewGamer-bj9in]

Ai bros are so clueless about real artists

[@cesar6447]

It can do both, just like smart phones are a way to work and a way to entrainment

[@Krispykreme15]

I was a little iffy with procreate after the whole procreate dreams thing (waiting for 1.1 aka the update that will finally give us lasso tool feels like forever) but this reminded me how despite their mistakes they are a company for artists by artists

[@Greeto902]

Fun story, Iam in graphic design and my uni called my for a seminar in which adobe was presenting their ai generative features they had in photoshop. I would love to say none were interested but I wouldnt be really sure about it. Either way, they brought this chilean guy that was hyping the thing and that was like "I wasnt even a good artist at uni and I would my classmates whip drawings and..." yadda yadda, you get the point, I instantly knew why the guy was hyping adobe so much, lmao. They also presented adobe's version of canva and go animate

[@KrazyKaiser]

LOVE a company that would rather go out of business than compromise it's vision.

[@Naescent]

I might honestly switch to procreate now if I ever get an ipad

[@Manj_J]

AI cannot feel or be horny and therefore it cannot truly create art, it also does not have sentience or self awareness or the ability to think an original thought, all of which are needed to truly create art. There was that one elephant who was taught how to make art and it made a bunch of paintings and became a tourist attraction, and I'd consider that to be real actual art more so than the AI shit- at least that was created by a sentient animal able to think for itself, you know? AI just isn't that. Hell, I'd take toddler scribbles on a wall everyday over any AI generated bullshit masquerading as "art". And though I don't use it currently, once I do get a tablet, I'm going to get procreate just to support them back for them supporting artists and human creativity like this

[@Maxler5795]

I see some potentail in AI on animation, personally. Imagine if you just made the key poses, then used an ai to make the inbetweens. Then an actual in between animator comes in, checks the quality, and corrects anything that went awry. I think it could save a lot of work from the more tedius parts of animation

[@Manakuuchiha]

This program already exists! It just wasn't being called AI when it was developed because that wasn't a buzzword yet.

[@sebjink.9037]

This was done in Spiderverse. The team made the data set and trained the ML model on their own data and used that for the film. It's an incredibly useful tool for inbetweens

[@ch5rus]

Procreate the goat, now they need to make the animation software actually good

[@hollyreid3852]

I use both Procreate and CSP and am so happy for this take. I'm also happy that CSP backed out of that AI crap, plus recently released a watermark feature that works similar to Glaze. I'm not 100% sure how to use it, though, i hope maybe someone way smarter than me puts up a video at some point because I was confused by the tutorial I saw. 😂 I haven't used my iPad in a while, but im about to charge it up and use it just because of Procreate, though. Lol

[@artikulv731]

Happy moment for me as a procreate user

[@rainiminiatures2184]

lmao i remember having a silly convo with an ai bro about how the process of creating art is like organic s*x since he gets riled up at the idea of humans interacting with ai emotionally and intimately. I'm actually rather neutral about people falling love with and getting kinky with ai chatbots lol. he claims robots can never replace humans in that scenario but then finds it perfectly fine for ai to replace the organic process of art creation by a human being. i don't know why it's so hard to understand why artists are pissed off by generative ai, but maybe if everyone just starts fking robots instead of each other, maybe he will get how it makes artists feel. Nobody is debating generative AI's practical use for the everyday non-artist. Not throwing shade at anyone who currently owns or plans to own a s*x doll either. That's not even the point. Artists are just as ready to embrace generative ai as the average person is ready to embrace "hardcore" ai intimacy. It's not that different if you take out the context. An ai bro has just as much possibility of convincing an artist to accept it as an artist has the possibility of getting an ai bro to pick up a paint brush and actually paint something. Sometimes people should just agree to disagree. Generative AI getting into artists' spaces and trying to convince artists to use them is a lost cause. The artists who want to incorporate AI into their workflows will do it on their own without much convincing, but this has snowballed into such a controversial thing that a lot of artists don't even want to touch it with a ten ft pole.

[@sakareeh]

*marries procreate

[@RedRicin]

"The Procreate AI Situation is Crazy"

[@satohime]

3:36 "AKA create slop" LMAO

[@FIyingSheep]

A VKEI FAN IN A COMPLETELY VKEI-UNRELATED VIDEO????? YOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Sillysquish]

It’s literally called procreate you know, a word meaning “the prosses of being made by a living creature” so why are people mad 😭

[@just_an_elli]

AI isn't the issue, rather the people using/creating it. It's like a gun, it won't harm anyone if nobody uses it

[@just_a_hampa]

BASED COMMENT FROM PROCREATE. Thought I had to switch app or smth.

[@GravityDontMeanTooMuchTooMe]

Ai bros are just too lazy to actually TRY CREATING anything (someone definitely said this but in different words)

[@alexrainbow7372]

Just got an iPad 2 days ago and bought Procreate on a bunch of friends' recommendations. Super glad to hear this! Side note: this is my first time seeing a video from you but you're awesome, keep it up! Loved the nerd voice impression reading the tech bro tweets 😂

[@Sar0429]

When companies have a soul (procreate and clip)

[@carlkligerman1981]

Procreate get it. There is absolutely no room for ambiguity on this: generative AI is anti-human tech and should be outlawed. Creative work is at the very heart of who and WHAT we are. And let’s face it, the only people who will cry about this are corporations and internet trolls who hate artists. O, and Ergo Josh 😂 let’s stick that guy into a life drawing class and see how ‘real’ an artist he is, huh?