Huge Success with DART // JWST Sees Weird Rings // Moon's True Origin

[@Raz.C]

re - 15:55 I had to go frame-by-frame to see that it was Scott Manley that briefly flashed on screen. I didn't even know that Scott had said anything about the spin-launch, let alone that he was skeptical about it. I was expecting to see a still image of Thunderf00t...

[@Sembazuru]

Thanx. I was trying to go slowly by tapping my space bar twice as fast as I could, but just couldn't get individual frame accuracy. I was wondering who that was as well. I suppose I should have slowed my YT playback down before trying my spacebar trick as I wasn't looking forward to downloading this video and then using VLC to move frame-by-frame.

[@Raz.C]

@@Sembazuru You can use the "" keys to go frame by frame. Alternatively, you can also use the "J" and "L" keys to go ten seconds back and forward respectively, vs using the arrow keys to go five seconds back/ forward. You can also use the "k" key to pause, but the space bar is probably easier.

[@Sembazuru]

@@Raz.C Thanx for the heads-up on the YT keyboard shortcuts. 👍

[@diddlydum2]

I love the subliminal Scott Manley 🤣

[@michaelpreston2735]

well it's going to the moon so naturally it would launch at night. if it were going to sun then I'd launch at day

[@frasercain]

The math checks out.

[@Surtwo]

Actually, you want to go to the sun at night, so that your spacecraft doesn't overheat.

[@heaslyben]

Probably want to wait for a full moon too, right? So you don't fly through the middle?

[@bravo_01]

Good one , lol 😂

[@bravo_01]

@@heaslyben 😂

[@isaacplaysbass8568]

The interviews have been really good. All of the news and content is awesome. Thank you Fraser, family, and team.

[@poletooke4691]

I love the Spin Launch System. Who wouldn't love a good old fashion yeet?

[@johnsmith-ky5qg]

Ima hazard a guess that it won't ever be human rated...that 10k G at launch would make an interesting painting of any crew aboard.

[@poletooke4691]

@@johnsmith-ky5qg Hell no it won't be human rated. But, that's OK. Not everything is a human or even alive.

[@PaulPaulPaulson]

The big difference between the expected and the actual result of dart shows that there is still a lot to learn about asteroids.

[@VJeauxW]

Si

[@frasercain]

Absolutely, that's why it's so important to do practical experiments.

[@UnitSe7en]

If you know all three masses it should be an easy calculation to determine - No need for practical experiments. So why was the difference so great, or rather it seems they had no idea what would happen at all. Why is that? I suggest the big difference is less about ''things to learn about asteroids' and more about 'can't estimate mass of objects we have no reference for'. What, exactly, does OP nebulously suggest that would have been useful information to know?

[@GadZookz]

SpaceBites may be puny compared to the vastness of space but, like the Dart mission, they pack a wicked punch. 👍🏼

[@unvergebeneid]

Thanks for the heads-up about now editing the interviews. I had honestly given up on listening to the interviews, even for topics that interested me precisely because of the quality issues you mentioned but knowing that they've been addressed, I'm going to give them another shot!

[@Kwisatzhaderachgiveadogabone]

Thanks, I wondered what was causing rings the first time I saw the image. Great job to all involved with the discovery of the explanation.

[@donaldkasper8346]

Any time I see resonance in infrared data, I don't think of fantastical space interactions, I think Fresnels. These are cyclical repeats of a signal at a certain frequency. Laser light bouncing off thin film media does this, for example. So it could be a thing with a very particular structure. Blowing off that a simulation of some math that someone came up with without looking at Fresnels it a bit fast on the draw. Simulations are whatever someone came up with, adjusted tens of thousands of times to match observations, but Fresnels are direct observations.

[@davidschmidt6013]

Can't wait for the launch on Nov 14. that will be 12:04pm for me, so I can watch it as I sit and relax at lunchtime.

[@frasercain]

They organized this launch just for you. :-)

[@arielperez797]

As a child I used to like staring at the sun but was aware it was harmful to directly stare at it. So one day I was sitting there with the urge to stare directly at the sun when I first decided to reach both my arms out infront of me and squeeze my index and thumbs together until I was staring at the sun through this little gap that was created between the fingers. It is less light coming through so not ad harmful. Can stare at the sun for hours this way and no blindness. I started to stare at the sun for days and slowly realized that there were rings emanating around the sun. The rings kind of look like the ones in this video. The only big difference is that you watch these rings in motion. In pictures you dont appreciate the sometimes quick movement of the rings. They seem to jet out...but only at the south. Then in the north it seems to be doing the opposite....it is being sucked in. Into the center of the sun. Like the sun is attracting some of the rings and expelling the opposite side. Toroidal vortex?

[@tonyb1968]

Awesome animation of the formation of the moon. You're my favorite space channel !

[@frasercain]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@pieterbezuidenhout2741]

@@frasercain see my comment on this topic.

[@EggBastion]

good updates well presented thank you

[@frasercain]

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@jimcabezola3051]

Mahalo for the Space Bites!

[@davesatxify]

Your vids/streams are always educational and most often enjoyable simply for their own sake. That is not a criticism, i mean how can you make something that appeals to me 100%?? Thank you for the efforts and your long career on youtube. I started watching you and pamela doing discussion vids what feels like a century ago. again, thank you

[@Haste_Waste]

Support them on Patreon! You might be able to suggest an episode topic.

[@ihateyoutubecomments8100]

Shut up

[@peterb9038]

T-Rex attempts to applause and fails. :)

[@brentwilbur]

A new science! Stellar Annulography!

[@bontrom8]

Wouldn't the concentric rings be better described by a spiral, just compressed each orbit into a very tight transition? You said the mechanism is the same as tree rings, and those are fully circular, and not in any sense that I can think of the same mechanism. Thoughts?

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

Because the host stars' orbits are elyptical, the gas cloud formation is a fraction of the orbit. The clouds from that one flyby spreads out into a full ring, completely disasociated from the cloud from the last flyby or the next flyby.

[@bontrom8]

@@rakaydosdraj8405 My point is that what looks like concentric rings is actually a distorted spiral. Tree rings are not a spiral, and the mechanism is not in any way related. Just take the elliptical orbit and test more and more circular versions of it, and at some point it will look more like gravity waves from a pair of orbiting black holes. Every object has spin, so creates spiral patterns that look extremely circular when the rotation is fast and propagation is slow or at a great distance.

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

@@bontrom8 ...but it's NOT a spiral. There is a dense ring of gas fron one flyby, commpletely disconnected from any other dense ring of gas from other flybys.

[@bontrom8]

this is the difference between a velocity and a position as determined by the actual release time. All particles in a given "ring" are released at nearly the same time. In a single pass, the contents of a wide angle of particles are given flight. It is a "pass" though, not a single burst as in an explosion equal in start time in all directions. The velocity of all particles in a given swath, and even between swaths is obviously almost identical, hence the equal distances. A "pass" however is from one side to the other. the release time from one point to the next is very similar, almost actually quite negligible considering the vast distances. Similar is not equal, as a point source explosion would have though. So over a very truncated time, the release time is in fact resulting in a spiral that quickly becomes indistinguishable from concentric circles due to its extreme rotational speed. Just grab a water hose and try to spin it fast enough to make a circular spray. Close, but not all the way there! My main contention though is that the mechanism of tree ring growth is nothing like a spiral spray. Nice chat, but this needs to be the end.

[@paintballercali]

maybe I haven't been paying attention but the video quality is wow

[@stefanf.3240]

Part of the rubble from Didimos could have been intercepted by Dimorphos's gravitational field, which could have further influenced the parameters of the new orbit. In the case of a lone asteroid, the debris would return to it, and the change in the final trajectory would be less.

[@joeblackman100]

Who is the dude in the red tracksuit that Frasier pops into our screen at 15.53? Is this his version of a dis track?

[@ccoop2416]

Its amazing how well that star can be seen with James Webb!

[@jasplaysbass]

Wow blink and you miss it subliminal pic of the great Scott Manley at 15:54!

[@EKA201-j7f]

Thank you for not declaring them terrifying!

[@SmithsMobile]

The fact that the moon doesent have an iron core that you would normally expect to find is a good indicator it may have been formed from planetary crust that obviously wouldn't contain iron.

[@olorin4317]

Oh boy, I want that Artemis night launch.

[@danieferreira9094]

My first visit here. In my opinion you started off tentatively. The moment you hit your sweet spot you were captivating. This really is awesome. I can really see you are passionate about astronomy! Thanks For uploading this!

[@Phytologics]

The true irony of the DART mission is it shows that we could potentially divert the trajectory of an earth bound body while here at home, the current extinction rate from climate change and natural destruction is greater than the rate of extinction after Chicxulub impactor event. it's very much as is an impactor has already hit.

[@Oleksa-Derevianchenko]

7:08 so if that's not an optical illusion, then... OMG IT WAS AN ALIEN CIVILIZATION! IF THEY DID *THAT* TO THE POOR STAR WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH US??! UPDATE: oh, the two-stars-interacting explanation looks convincing enough. Now I feel relieved.

[@ahaveland]

Hang on a minute - if the dinosaurs weren't wiped out, then we very likely wouldn't exist as mammals, and if the dinosaurs hadn't developed technology in 200 million years of their reign, it's quite possible they wouldn't have made much progress in another 65 million years!

[@rylandrc]

Don't worry, with enough science there's a chance we can bring the dinosaurs back or at least a close approximation.

[@CR-iz1od]

@@rylandrc just don't use frog dna and you avoid half of the issues with jurassic Park.

[@CR-iz1od]

Also, when you spare no expense, it should include the IT department. 🤔

[@Pseudo___]

Why wouldn’t they have made progress in 65 million years???? Like humans did it in less time. And humans did most scientific growth in the last fraction of our existence

[@OzoneTheLynx]

@@Pseudo___ their argument was: they didn't become intelligent in the first 200 million years, why would they become intelligent if you gave them another 65 million years.

[@hudatolah]

Cool. Thx for the digest!

[@vikenmekhtarian]

Great job on these last few videos. Super hig production values . Bravo

[@dontactlikeUdonkno]

*Always* look forward to your Q&A and Space Bites videos! Try to get there every Monday if I can too. Thank you for your content!! 🤓

[@seantrevathan3041]

Geez, I had to playback twice to see if that was indeed Scott Manley popping in at 15:50 for a microsecond when you mentioned other youtubers on Spinlaunch

[@dexterisabo3137]

I wish had rock samples from Venus because when I was a kid I remember hearing rumors of native legends of Venus being what clipped the Earth. That they had tales of an extremely bright celestial body that flew either super close or actually bumped us and it lead to fire in the sky and massive earthquakes and devastation. And what I find kind of trippy is that that matches Sumerian legends in which Earth was once known as Tiamat the Watery Monster until it got hit by a bright planet that they called Marduk. That said, if we had rock samples, we might be able tell if the planets had actually collided.

[@mrxmry3264]

21:34 those diffraction spikes look WEIRD. is that because there are several mirror segments with multiple edges?

[@MCsCreations]

Thanks for the news, Fraser! 😊 I honestly just hope SLS doesn't turn into a huge explosion... Other than that I'm ok with it being delayed. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@suziscarborough9665]

I hope it doesn't explode either because I'll be camping at Jetty Park that night 😓

[@dionysus326]

14:50, Morty yelled “Gee” lmao

[@oak4901]

Guy on Didimous "damn,my alarm went off too late"

[@Diff3RentBreed]

You should live stream the interviews for your patron subs and then post an edited version here. :D

[@martintucker2825]

Grateful for the really interesting podcast, very good 👍

[@zubble7144]

RE: DART, could the discrepancy between the estimated effect and resulting effect (~3x) be due to an underestimation of the asteroid mass?

[@billferner6741]

I think so too. Scott M.even explained that the little one was loosing a lot of material (10km long tail).

[@mc1dash1b]

“The dinosaurs were avenged…” lol!

[@petevenuti7355]

Shmit interview, that got me to subscribe & 'ring the bell'

[@mikeharrington878]

NASA didn't predict the amount of energy that would be delivered to Dimorphos via charge equalization. It is apparent, especially in the complete void of other explanations, that the charge differential between Earth orbit and the orbit of Didymos is robust. It really is a rather galling oversight on the part of the mission planners, considering how much is known about charge differentials between the outer fringes of the heliospheric current sheet and the huge proton dump we call Sol. If someone had just had the presence of mind to put a Langmuir probe on the damn satellite we could've taken in situ readings here in the near-Earth plasma, then once again prior to striking Dimorphos. Once we had two of the three variables, we could've solved for how much extra energy was delivered to the moonlet via charge equalization, in addition to the amount of kinetic energy that they were shown to have modeled for. It should also be stated that the collimated plasma discharge jet they are calling a 'tail' is a feature of other discharging comets and asteroids with strongly elliptical orbits. (I should mention is explained by the Electric Comet model as the charged body bleeding charge via a plasma discharge as it moves between the differential charge environments nearer or farther to the Sun.) The copper impactor from the Deep Impact Mission to Tempel 1 dramatically changed the number and location of jets around that comet as was predicted by Wal Thornhill from the Thunderbolts Team. He also predicted the pre-contact flash that was witnessed prior to the big flash from the impactor striking the comet. I wonder if closer inspection will reveal that any of the images of the impact on Dimorphos will show a similar snap of electricity prior to contact? Regarding the rings that they've imaged from the WR 140 system, the most logical answer for them are that they are the concentric rings inside of the Birklund current/flux tube as we're looking straight down at the pole of that star. It is interesting to me that they state that those rings, however hazy are 'permanent.' I wonder how they arrived at that conclusion? If you could see close enough to watch the movement of plasma in each ring as you can at the poles of Jupiter, Saturn, and Earth, I predict that you'd see that each concentric sheath inside the tube counter-rotate. Prof. Don Scott wrote a paper on it mathematically describing the phenomenon. Sigh. The separation and equalization of charge controls the states of subatomic particles upon which everything in our Universe is built, so *why* wouldn't you try and explain things from that peculiar perspective *before* trying to formulate new theses to describe things? The discipline of Electronics has lots of fun and exciting formulae for doing so already, after all. 🙄 Peace, and remember to love your Mother~ ☮💝🌎

[@Shizzlewish]

13:10 HAH Fraser said rectal .. prolly worth hitting the like then

[@Shizzlewish]

14:05 follows it up with insertion maneuver ... giggety

[@frasercain]

You're easily entertained. Wait until I talk about Uranus.

[@bravo_01]

@@frasercain Or Uranus’s moon, Miranda. Seems like she was hit by something big a very long time ago, broke up into fragments and then reformed back together by gravity. She is naked and an archeological marvel, as her insides are on the outside and is a real Frankenstein.

[@MausMasher54]

I wonder why they did not make it a dual mission and sent two visitors to the rock, one to land on the opposite side of the impact site to collect data direct and also to test if thrusters could do anything post blast after a week or two?????

[@1Dropboys]

Thinderf00t.. *cough XD to be fair I wish them all success with their projectile.

[@dbcooper1435]

The problem with spin launch is that even if you could make a spinner fast enough for the first stage energy, it's such a strain on the second stage and payload that it would be critically limited in what it could carry. Second and decisive, such a spinner would have to apply all the acceleration in half its diameter as a cnanon would in its barrel length. So rather than a single cannon blast it would inflict that g load continuously to the load. A cannon launcher would have to be much easier to make yet still have g load problems for the payload. It has to be a dead end. Of course waking up to UAP reality would be infinitely better.

[@frasercain]

Sure, antigravity would be better. Let me know when that technology is available.

[@CR-iz1od]

@@frasercain you get into space and cancel out the gravity around you relative to your targeted antigravity chamber. Solved.

[@CR-iz1od]

@@frasercain alternative is the noise cancelation approach 🤔

[@isaacarellano5118]

He had to go and say that. Now we are going to get hit with a earth sized asteroid lol. great channel lovin it.

[@garyswift9347]

March?! That's unacceptable!! Another great show, thanks.

[@frasercain]

I'm just the messenger.

[@garyswift9347]

@@frasercain lol I know. I'm just looking at the other activity Newer prototypes are stacking up. They have little to lose by trying sooner rather than later. I've been reading your stuff for around 10 years now. Keep up the great coverage. Thanks for what you do.

[@VGKDean]

That’s an interesting hypothesis on the moon. And that episode of From Earth To The Moon you mentioned was the best one. 😉

[@ivailoi123]

Can this small scale spin launch be used on the moon?

[@massimookissed1023]

It would be much better suited for use on the moon. Earth's escape velocity is 11.2 km/s, and Earth has an atmosphere which is densest at the ground surface. Moon's escape velocity is only 2.4 km/s and doesn't have that pesky atmosphere trying to melt your payload at the moment it's flung out of the centrifuge.

[@astrobat777]

Hubble, Cassini, New Horizons, DART, Juno, JWST etc, etc, NASA is kicking ass

[@Trev0r98]

If only Fraser Cain had given NASA engineers his memo on the effects of the DART impact, they would not have made such a huge mistake in estimating its results. This Fraser Cain space journalist dude is some seriously hot stuff!

[@TomTalley]

Rings were present in the plasma and fields at the Texas tokamac back in the 1980s Saw the same effect while visiting. Reminds me of RF standing waves...

[@bmiller949]

So glad I discovered this channel

[@elcastigador3270]

First time watching and I was impressed as it was like Entertainment Tonight for people who find space interesting. There is no sensational BS like what I find littered on KZbin.

[@frasercain]

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@cheniscus123]

From the many theories of the origin of the Moon, one narrative of Zechariah Sitchin should also be considered.

[@pasozytspoleczny]

You have done great job working on visual layer of the content, making it more appealing. I do miss good old green screen, though...

[@johnrickard8512]

The James Webb Telescope has been yielding quite a few papers already

[@r3tri3ution_z3nith_point_z6]

6:44 Very Cool.

[@j7ndominica051]

What does it mean to have an astronomical image "cleaned up"? What is the level of dirt in the photographs?

[@sspoonless]

Spin launch: I love the idea of alternative 1st stages.

[@chrissscottt]

Interesting and encouraging data from the D.A.R.T. mission. Sample size, 1.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

SLS December, SuperHeavy February.

[@inndeep7020]

Great report Sir.

[@bbbenj]

Thanks for these news 👍

[@abrams887]

In the Enuma Elish tablet 4, the 12th planet. Tiamat aka Earth, Was hit buy one of the satellites orbiting Marduk aka Nibiru, Pushing earth into her current orbit and some of the Remanents creating our moon. And rest of the debris that did not get pulled back in by gravity mad the asteroid belt . pretty cool stuff that science is pointing towards.

[@ankhenaten2]

the dust being pushed out from the star debunks star formation from gas or dust

[@leptonsoup337]

DART´s success is like that scene in Iron Man: "Yeah, we can deflect asteroids".

[@clavo3352]

Can you tell the cardinal points from the tree rings also? How about just how the tree was oriented towards the sun? It has similarities to this gravitational ring formation by this double star system ring collection; no? Only it's light instead of gravity making the tree rings. I think.

[@frasercain]

The only similarity is just that you can count them. Each ring in a tree corresponds to a year. Each ring in this star photo is about 8 years.

[@williamvittitow3896]

On the WEBB picture of Neptune and Triton, I see interesting details in the usual diffraction spikes of Triton. I wonder if an algorithm could be applied to infere / show details on Triton?

[@jakublizon6375]

20 years ago.... This was not supposed happen for at least 100 years. Im kinda proud of humans on this one.

[@mvh2275]

I believe the moon was parked in its most perfect position and is no way by accident. My thoughts - cheers

[@psycronizer]

33 Raptor engines makes an already staggeringly complex thing all that more of a statistical nightmare to get it all working as one, I know there's a lot of redundancy built in, like they can supposedly loose a small number of engines and gimble their way out of the biggest fireworks display of all time but, I still think the first guys to bank on it will be needing surgery to remove their giant metal balls to keep the weight down !...

[@7heHorror]

The concentric star rings are a really high tide! Like the tide on earth, except lifting stuff a bit higher.

[@CurtisDelzell]

Where is the 2nd star? Are we sure that this is not a recurrent nova or micronova? Ok, the rings were mentioned. Why no mention of the spikes? There are 11 or 12 spikes sticking straight out of the center of the "object" in this processed image.

[@russkie69]

In my humble opinion, I think the DART mission taught us little. Okay, we basically kicked a pile of rubble. What if the next asteroid is a solid chunk of nickel, for instance. We know relatively little about the composition of asteroids in our solar system. In my mind, it seems easier to put a little propellor on the asteroid that would allow us to tweek its orbit more precisely.

[@frasercain]

You have to start somewhere, testing your basic assumptions about asteroid composition and density. Rocky asteroids account for about 85% of the population, so this is the logical first step. There's another mission going to an iron asteroid in a few years to see what the differences are.

[@99slacker999999999]

Why did "Fly safe!", pop into my head?

[@blackdaz3]

that scott manley frame :P

[@DutchKC9UOD]

Like the format 😎

[@simonmultiverse6349]

"Not an Optical Illusion" (from 6:31 to 9:17) I see the rings spreading outwards from the star. The rings are not circular. Is that explained by the *ORBITS* not being circular?

[@fyrhtu81]

I feel like our understanding of the makeup of asteroids is undergoing a massive correction. Up until now, we've been relying on visual information, and impact debris. Now, we're sending more and more missions out to reach out and touch these supposedly mostly-solid objects... And more and more, it looks like instead they're primarily clumps of gravel, far lighter than we'd believed.

[@thomascharlton8545]

Ha, ha: Fly Safe @15:54

[@toddboothbee1361]

The true avenging of dinosaurs isn't crashing into an asteroid, but in humans going extinct. We should thanks asteroids for our existence.

[@BlueNeonBeasty]

The improved audio quality for the interviews honestly makes the world of difference!

[@JimmyBackbeat]

I'm a middle aged man and I've been hearing of SLS for most of my life. Falcon Heavy is already operational and Starship is just beyond the horizon. SLS shouldn't even fly. Seems more like a sunk cost bias that a scientific achievement to me.

[@micheleploeser7720]

Maybe they can find some flint flakes in the impact dust, I can only hope, archeology rules!

[@richardfetzer4933]

what if the object that collided with the earth was dense enough, and had a shallow approach angle, that it gouged the earth, basically survived the shallow impact and became coated with debris. It could have slowed and synchronised with the earth because of the deflected impact. It's surface now would have a composition of spaterings from the numerous micro-nova of the sun, and have a geological record indicating of its orbital position during those collections of solar micro-nova ejections.Its crust isotopically matching the sun, but it's interiors geology still hidden from us. It's entire crust could have a different density than that which is internal. It could ring like a bell. I think that's been proven.

[@VideoconferencingUSA]

Nice job!

[@billallen275]

Nice report. The concentric rings are likely Electrical Double Layers. These have the capability to accumulate ionized particles. Only 1 percent of the matter has to be "hot" for the aggregate to behave as a plasma. SLS at night might be visible for a long distance with all of that power! Hopefully clear skies!

[@calebhollen5316]

It would be interesting to hear what the thunderbolt protect has to say about it

[@billallen275]

@@calebhollen5316 I think I did see them suggest this. If NASA is right that it keeps spraying out every so often, the dust is getting sequestered in the DL's. More corroboration. 🙂

[@jimedenbaum2525]

Perhaps a stupid question about the DART test: Dimorphos is a moon, orbiting another planet, right? Wouldn't an asteroid heading towards earth behave, and have different properties, than a moon in an orbit?

[@Wandera1970]

Europa is hazardous to the Clipper orbiter due to radiation but yet we expect life and hope it exist with in that environment?? When radiation usually is detrimental to life as we know it. Because there would be no rest period form the radiation for the cells to recover in such an environment. Just a thought. Still a fascinating chance to learn something.

[@billalbertson7980Satquatch]

Please include the speed of impact whenever that would apply per kinetic energy

[@thebigerns]

Night launch = fireworks 🎆Yay!

[@richardpark3054]

Regarding SpinLaunch, what kind of a payload will tolerate 10,000 g's? Very small astronauts?

[@dancingvajra]

“Kicks out” a cloud of dust? That is a massive solar flare, if not a micro novae. Do they classify the flare class? Or do they say cloud of dust?

[@olegdoubko9351]

I’m fricking publisher and I’m proud of this

[@knotgiven2u84]

look into the enigma of granite.. a mars sized object colliding with Earth.. no granite would have survived? yet granite is here in abundance. it wouldn't be the first time the existence of granite, disproves without a doubt these wild-eyed theories.