Huge YouTuber Doesn't Understand "Lazy" Content (like my Sidemen Reacts videos)

[@Arthur_Frederick]

This has always been the content I've enjoyed watching and it's the content I now enjoy making so am I biased? Of course, I couldn't agree more with the points surrounding plagiarism and credit, I commend Jack for his desire to help smaller creators, and my defence is not meant to be used by creators who genuinely do nothing but rip off other creators and add little to no value whatsoever, I just don't think that applies to these videos. Interested to hear your thoughts, especially as I plan on bringing this up on the next episode of the Bach and Arthur Podcast, so would love to hear as many different opinions as possible for us to discuss (and be able to follow up on anything I missed or failed to consider)! Whether you agree or not, thanks for watching, and please do feel free to subscribe!

[@ka1tlynb]

arthur its 1am

[@maddieworm]

opinions on what?

[@Arthur_Frederick]

I filmed it last night and the editor only just finished it so I thought I might as well post it

[@Arthur_Frederick]

Everything discussed in the video

[@ka1tlynb]

@ thank you pookie we appreciate it💖

[@jayleneruizz]

bro caught a stray and he’s not even in the sidemen 😭😭😭

[@delilahispeachyfresh2835]

Frrr

[@Destile666XD]

No come on. I think Jack doesn't add much to the reaction to bad content either. He doesn't explain why it's bad. That's my opinion at least😅😅 and he's probably doing it for clout maybe

[@Destile666XD]

Also, one more point he's in the video. He's kind of complaining about he opinions too

[@Blatant-pidgeon2]

​@@Destile666XDhe gives credit doesn't he.

[@DoctorwhoFAN-l1s]

⁠@@Destile666XDif he was just doing it for the clout he would of probably stopped when sniper wolf went to his house

[@harsh82000]

In fairness Sidemen used to actually discuss and joke about videos throughout and now it just feels like they're watching videos silently and chasing a schedule with the next one. People have echoed this for a while too. This is separate from your video with them, but the point is still there.

[@jamielong8976]

I’d agree with that. My preference was when they would react to informational videos but unfortunately TikTok compilations seem to be the thing now.

[@Dysonfan298]

Mate it’s their 3rd channel lmao no shit they don’t put in a lot of effort that’s the whole point. Low effort videos reacting to some TikTok’s or a top 10 video. It’s supposed to be a relaxed recording where people get to watch a video ‘with’ the sidemen. They’re videos to watch while eating they ain’t supposed to be transformative and educational, if that’s what you’re looking for there’s other KZbinrs to watch.

[@09ziyad]

"discuss the joke" lol what is there to discuss you are talking about it like its a philosophical topic lol

[@Stefan996]

@@09ziyad great engagement with what was said, obv you can discuss things non philosophically.

[@09ziyad]

@Stefan996 no shit when did I say "only philosophical topics can be discussed"? There's nothing to "discuss" about some random memes and funny videos a quick comment here and there isn't a "discussion".

[@faith-brad]

To be fair though, Arthur's reaction content is VERY different to sidemen reacts, it's just not a fair comparison.. In sidemen reacts videos they BARELY speak.. there's even a clip of them telling Arthur to just watch the video when he's trying to add commentary 🤣🙈 Edit: for the record I like all reaction content, I'm not commenting on whether it's good or not, I'm literally just commenting on the difference between Arthur's and the sidemen's, that's all! (and I'm not saying anything new, the sidemen themselves have said their reacts content is low-effort!) 💕

[@walak6832]

Exactly i was like, poor Arthur he just chose this video at random, im sure Jack would like Arthur’s content

[@jared17ds]

This comment needs wat more likes.. this is 100% it

[@strikeatnyte]

i mean it's just reacting to a complilation of relatable tiktoks what more do u want

[@walak6832]

@@strikeatnyte but who did that compilation? Who did those videos? No way to know, bare minimum is credit if youre taking views from someone. If youve seen a tiktok in a compilation and scroll by it, will you take the time to watch it again or just scroll down? Its the biggest part here, people are doing more work than just laughing at videos and get only a small percentage of what the react videos gets. Thats the main problem, the lack of commentary is more so an add on from that

[@lolwhyamihere8775]

@@walak6832 pretty sure they have someone who finds the videos and put them together in a compilation. just a thought though, there are accounts on youtube who also make compilations of tiktoks or other people's clips that get hundreds of thousands of views - are they not also taking views away from the original posts?

[@ramansgdeep]

honestly this response video is more of an actual transformative reaction content than the sidemen react channel video which is rightfully being criticized. I mean it's a whole channel with lazy react content with monetized videos that also exclude credits to the actual creators.

[@ibra8096]

Only thing I think is fair is adding credit in description. It being lazy doesn't really matter to people who watch the content since those people aren't watching the content for the tiktoks but for the sidemen themselves.

[@glumstygg]

@@ibra8096 Eh, if they very rarely say anything the question if the viewer is watching for the reactors is brought up. If there were a video that is just a compilation of videos, and there's a guy in the corner are people watching for the guy?

[@inahole2678]

@@glumstyggwell they most likely wouldn't have watched it otherwise so yes, KZbin is all about niches and compilations has niches too (not that they only react to compilations)

[@jademeads7405]

@@glumstygg well they have 5mill subs on that channel for a reason...it's just extra content for sideman fans it's also jusgt one of those vids you put in the background for noise while doing something

[@thebluerat7196]

@@ibra8096they still are just profiting off others work

[@nintendope8837]

You can tell Arthur went to Law School, He just speaks and explains things so well

[@JuneJames-kl5nk]

What's unacknowledged in this discussion is the monetary aspect. These videos are making money that won't be seen by any of the people being reacted to. If the content/conversation is transformative, then there is enough value to justify taking revenue from what you're reacting to. That's why jack is so nitpicky about having enough to say. He's mentioned Daily Dose and Jason Derulo as people who license the videos or ask directly for permission, in which case it doesn't matter even if you straight up just reupload the video. Imo credit should always be a given as well

[@InsaneSoloClutch]

this is like the only valid point...

[@SomeIcelandicDude]

The main point, it's a much bigger channel basically taking money out of the pockets of real creators without crediting them

[@himaya0]

Tiktoks don't create revenue for creators though unless you are verified, even then the money is low. so this argument doesn't make sense for tiktok specfically. Would make sense if they watched a documentary without any commentary.

[@ProfNDKai]

This is the most important point that should be focused on ‼️

[@NN-fw9il]

Tik tokers earn very less though either way.If they were reacting to youtube content that actually requires loads of effort and is transformative I would've agreed,but this seems to be a bit over the top.

[@evie_is_alone]

I really don't agree that because the Sidemen do bigger content they can half ass their reacts. The clips they watch belong to other creators, who aren't credited and the reacts aren't anything insightful. As a Sidemen fan, i notice they treat the reacts channel like a chore. They don't care about it, it's just another business. They make money and the original creators miss out. I wouldn't say Arthur is at fault, I'm a fan too. His reaction videos are tranformative so I have no complaints. He can only do so much as a guest in the video. I just hope he understands where Jack is coming from, lazy reacts are just content stealing

[@tardybloomer]

that's one of the reasons i stopped watching willne's reaction channel/videos lol, he looks like he's having a terrible time, sighing and rolling his eyes at everything, and simply not enjoying it whatsoever, but he's doing it so that he can get money. 💀 whether or not he acknowledges it is irrelevant, bc it simply felt disrespectful lol ??

[@ibra8096]

Only thing I agree with is they should add a notes url with all the credits in the description. I don't care for any transformative whatever since I'm not watching the originals without them being there to fill the air but I do think adding credit for people who feel like checking the originals is a fair tradeoff.

[@synaesthesia318]

I think the point is that the bigger content allows for viewers to make more personal connections with the Sidemen which is what makes reacts appealing. I'm sure most people who stumble upon SidemenReacts having never heard of the Sidemen don't enjoy the content, however for long time fans (thanks to the bigger content) SidemenReacts feels like laughing with friends who you know well...

[@evie_is_alone]

@@synaesthesia318 Regardless of the "intention" of the reactions, the content still belongs to other creators. I used to watch the sidemen reacts channel and it does feel like watching with people. But that doesn't validate it.

[@synaesthesia318]

​@@evie_is_alone I thought it was fairly clear i was disagreeing with the first part of your comment not the second part.

[@dillydraws]

Personally for me. I only watch react videos after already seeing something because you can't watch a movie twice, you can't reset your mind and watch breaking bad all over again, but watching people watch the show, feel the same emotions I did when first watching, it's like watching it for the first time again and just comfort to watch weekly.

[@willewiking98]

this is so on point! couldn’t agree more. the same way i watch people listen to certain albums for the first time etc

[@dillydraws]

@@willewiking98 It's that first time experience, even with big long youtube videos, that experience of people watching it for the first is still magical even with it's someone else's reaction.

[@joshhayden6670]

@@willewiking98 Jon Denton the goat

[@Cozzey_Kid]

i get that. though for me i almost preffer watching new movies being reacted too cause i know i'll never go out to watch them myself. Ive technically watched so many movies through reaction movie channels its unreal haha

[@nathangaspacio6128]

Im the opposite way when it comes to games. I'll watch a youtuber play something then if I want to play it I get to experience it myself for the first time after seeing someone else do it.

[@AadilRashidAR]

Credit isn't a nice touch, it's necessary.

[@Jaxzay]

lol

[@MaskedmutantS]

The credit is tiktok

[@user-tx9nw3qn8n]

@@MaskedmutantSthat’s not a creator

[@einekartoffel2490]

@@MaskedmutantS That's almost like taking stuff from the grocery store without paying and saying "The payment is the grocery store."

[@PhotonSieve]

​@@MaskedmutantS You are definitely retarded.

[@SockeySoka]

The main issue with this kind of reaction content isn't that he's "not getting the point", that's fine, we all know the point is to sit and watch it like you're just scrolling with friends. The thing that's bringing it down is that it's essentially just reuploading other people's content and creations with no credit to them, in complete from beginning to end, and not adding anything transformative to their content to justify uploading it on your own channel, AND getting paid yourself for someone's content that you haven't made, asked permission, or paid for.

[@ibra8096]

Bro wanted them to break it down to the documentary level on each tiktok with tears and timeskip arcs for some tiktok videos lol

[@SockeySoka]

@ibra8096 Better than stealing

[@ibra8096]

@@SockeySoka disagree. I would rather end my own life than watch that level of content bloat on a simple tiktok reaction compilation. The only fair thing is adding credit in description everything else is not a fair argument at all but to each their own.

[@Archeoptery]

​@@ibra8096well yeah because sitting and watching a video, then reuploading it, is not fair use... it doesn't matter what 'the point of the channel' is, it's content theft

[@genericname8727]

@@ibra8096 Or just ask the creators if they can react and give credit. Then it doesn't matter how lazy and non-transformative the reacts are because it's not content theft

[@maddieworm]

arthur is a new member of the sidemen confirmed?!?!!

[@byamba9835]

I hope not, Arthur is too good for the sidemen

[@Dzagoev-v7z]

@@byamba9835 lmaooo how? because you have a crush on him?

[@Amunny]

​@@byamba9835I don't think he'd agree with you either haha but I respect your opinion.

[@KIAFROMCLASS]

pooey bum hole

[@ramazanAb]

@@byamba9835 not even close

[@Izzy61634]

I'm a fan of both of you, and a frequent viewer of Jack's bingo livestreams (I watched this one live), and he is very open about talking about fair use and reaction content in general with said reaction channels. It could be worth reaching out to him to have a conversation about it, it would be really interesting to hear both sides of your arguments :)

[@Rubensteinsrevenge]

oh, yes! I'm absolutely positive he would be up for a collab where you discuss the format!

[@dreamvortex8961]

He won't because he is exactly what he preach. He talks about other being Lazy yet he's the one who has farmed numerous videos around. sssniper

[@EnclosedPoolArea]

@@dreamvortex8961 How does calling out lazy content thieves make you the same as them?

[@azuredrew]

I totally agree. I think them having a conversation would go a long way for Arthur understanding why Jack is passionate about calling out bad behaviour when he sees it from huge creators

[@ItsCherryPancake]

+1 I genuinely think they should have a chat!!

[@Mr_SuperCut]

I think Jack's main, MAIN point is if you can't credit the creator and just add something even slightly transformative, then don't make the video.

[@LP-ey7np]

how can you say something slightly transformativie to a 5 second clip meant for just a laugh

[@saltypineapple8371]

@@LP-ey7np then pick another clip that you do have commentary for...

[@d34thnote79]

​@@LP-ey7npnobody is forcing them with a gun to their head to re-upload these 5 second clips on their monetized channel for their own gain

[@herbicide]

@@LP-ey7np If you have nothing to say, why are you posting the clip? To lazily make money off of someone else's work without credit.

[@m00n.kitt3n.z00m]

If you can't, then don't steal the content. It's a super simple concept.​@@LP-ey7np

[@markpolo97]

Jack's point is more that if you want to be a "reactor", you should be doing some sort of transformation. If you _only_ chuckle, then you're getting the income from the original video that no one else is going to see, because you haven't credited them. It's clearly a fine line, though. The vibe of "mates watching a video" is fine, but at least something transformative needs to happen. Even a pause to make a horrible pun or something.

[@ioakimantonis4687]

Jack should shut his mouth and mind his own business for once would be a better world if more people did that btw

[@Gothamsgamer]

I think it would be a better world if you shut your mouth. No one asked you.​@@ioakimantonis4687

[@LimeyFella]

@@ioakimantonis4687 He shouldn't voice his grievances with people basically stealing content and making money off of it? Why? Because you don't like your shitty reaction channels getting called out?

[@andrics7611]

And the sidemen do exactly that. There's a bunch of memes and moments that are clipped from sidemenreacts and go popular. It's funny how Jack can pull people his way if they don't know about the creators he's referring to.

[@sarim_hk]

@@ioakimantonis4687 the world would be a much worse place if people shut their mouth and didn't comment on the actions on others. thats how you end up with self-entitled, bigoted freaks running the world, as we have now.

[@Chan_K97]

THIS is how you’re meant to do a good constructive critiquing video on another person’s video. Seeing things from everyone’s perspective, including the audience; suggesting ideas of how to improve their points instead of just saying “they added nothing” and continuing to just laugh at them and continuously repeat the same phrase and add nothing more yourself. Not attempting to attack their character, when not knowing them personally. Thank you Arthur for an actual useful analysis😊

[@lucadegabriele6394]

Yeah this is how you should respond not like what Sniperwolf did where she doxxed Jacksfilms house saying "Let's Talk like Adults"

[@testaccount3880]

He does kinda do this probably not to the extent he should but at the same time it's fair enough when they're just profiting of other people's work while doing no work themselves and not crediting the creators who've made the original content

[@link182_]

jack consistently and constantly gives constructive criticism though. that's basically the whole point of his series.

[@sweepminer]

tbh the audience mostly says "they added nothing" so that they can fill that square in their bingos

[@nocontextgonzalo]

agreed ive been watching Jack forever and you can tell he gets this righteous bravado when critiquing reaction content that goes beyond valid indignation. like you can tell he really enjoys shitting on people

[@vTori916]

I’ve watched Jacksfilms for a very long time and I’ve always enjoyed his content so I was really surprised that he didn’t do just the tiniest amount of research to see who the actual sidemen were. My heart dropped when I saw which video he picked since, even when I watched the video originally, I thought you were a little awkward. I wish he would have watched a variety of their content before judging so harsh. Also agree he should give more constructive criticism than just criticism. If y’all genuinely wanted to change based off his feedback how even would you?

[@carmenbyland7666]

yeah it’s a bit mad considering he’s been in close videos and proximity with several members of the sidemen (mr beast)

[@wowjoji3202]

I agree about watching a few more of the videos. Some of them it’s just them laughing and others they actually have quite a bit of discussion, particularly the reacts to science things like How big space really is, what would happen in Antartica melted, etc.

[@vTori916]

@@wowjoji3202 those are the exact ones I was thinking about too. It also depends who is there. Harry and Ethan bounce off each other really well and so do Simon and Josh but Vik and Simon are more quiet together

[@delilahispeachyfresh2835]

Exactly I was like wth

[@jbawg]

Jacksfilm fell off. Bros' only content is complaining. He's so annoying and acts high and mighty. He farmed like 50 videos about sssniperwolf but keeps yapping about lazy content.😂

[@mattsherack]

As a fan of both of you, I can say that I genuinely really enjoy the commentary you provide in your videos, or the sorts educational tangents you may go on during the podcast. I also agree with what others have said, being that not every clip warrants a high-level analysis, sometimes it’s nice to put on something more laidback/chill I think the reason Jack is setting a sort of “high bar” for the quality of the reactions in this specific video is mainly due to the fact that the Sidemen hadn’t credited original creators, thus he feels as if the reaction ought to be exceedingly transformative to make up for it

[@evereve_d]

That's kind of a poor excuse for jack setting an extremely high bar for reaction content that is obviously not his humor or suited for him. Pin pointing everything you see as wrong in a video doesn't make it "bad reaction" or "poor content", yes they should have added credit, but doing one thing seen as wrong does not mean everything you have to do from then on should be better.

[@charlottem7583]

Arthur, you make the type of commentary that Jack advocates for! You credited the creator, paused after every point, and gave really valid commentary that actually challenged my views. I literally watched Jack's video THIS MORNING and was totally on Jack's side... it was genuinely eye-openng to see this from your point of view.

[@fespadea8263]

Jack responded to this video in his last stream. The VOD is still up, but he's also going to make an editted KZbin video out of it eventually. I don't know how long they usually take. TLDW: He likes you, and he's sorry about thinking you're a Sidemen. He says you missed the point that it's just stealing content if the viewers are watching for the tiktoks instead of the commentary. He's also willing to talk, so there could be a chance to get him on the podcast. As a side note, I agree with Jack's response, but I wish someone would mention the legitimately good SidemenReacts reactions to him. They're rarer nowadays, but there are some legitimately transformative SidemenReacts videos that are really funny because of their addition. Some examples are the top 10 fattest animals, top 5 most badass people, and the Antarctica video.

[@noodle6934]

Fr he mentioned the fattest animals one without knowing thats one of their funniest/best videos

[@EreaserNL]

If it's just about stealing content (which is a fair point) then why does he berate them on a lot of other points? Like Arthur mentions a few times in this video it seems like he doesn't get the point of the reaction videos. Also I doubt him talking to Arthur would do anything to the Sidemen Reacts channel. Maybe involve Simon too since he also hates just sitting there and not saying anything during a reacts video, but still likes to react.

[@jiv3o275]

​@@EreaserNL Bc if it's transformative, it's not really stealing Taking someone's tiktok and actually having meaningful insight or commentary on it (even if you don't credit the creator) is still fair use and legal, tho still a little scummy bc you should always give credit where it's due. Taking someone's tiktok and basically just reuploading it with your facecam on the side while chuckling occasionally... well that's just blatant theft.

[@Maxwellish]

This is like watching my parents fight

[@samdedman9629]

So accurate

[@sarangshinde5490]

No jack is just want to make video on sidmen and finding reason to do 😂.

[@cosmicchimp1939]

@@sarangshinde5490 Bullshit, Jack calls people out for doing wrong. Even if it where the case, it would still be a good reason to call them out.

[@terquoise]

Real

[@Niall69Irish]

​@@cosmicchimp1939jack made the video on the sidemen only for the views bc jj song is so "popular" right now. He complains about reaction channels but he does exactly that himself 😂

[@Maxwellish]

I totally get Jack’s perspective on react content in general. I love that he harshly criticizes people like xQc who openly reupload ENTIRE two hour videos just sitting in the corner and getting more views than the actual creator, it sucks. And I do think it should be credited to the actual creators. Obviously Sidereacts isn’t nearly as bad as other react andy stuff, it’s just lazy. I think Jack understandably holds all these lads to the same standard because he’s seen SO much rotted, stolen react content lol.

[@09ziyad]

the reason why he got views because he is more entertaining than the "actual creators" that's why his fans are there everything else is secondary.

[@knaughta.masso-kist5944]

But the point is that if you're going to do an entire video criticising them, even wrongfully accusing Arthur of being insanely rich, he should've at least done his due diligence by researching who they are and what their content actually is. Being jaded by xQc doesn't give him a free pass to be lazy and presumptuous when it comes to other creators.

[@Kevin_Oskar]

@@knaughta.masso-kist5944 He's aware of who the sidemen are, this isn't the first video he's made about them.

[@min-fel]

@@Kevin_Oskar that doesn't help his case since he still got things wrong. he had an entire stream to pull "funny" comments from and ended up with that...

[@woahhaow10yearsand41]

​@@knaughta.masso-kist5944well see, that's EXACTLY what happens, when you don't give credit to the people featured in your video. How was Jack supposed to know that Arthur is not a part of Sidemen, if they didn't even link his channel in the description or introduced him to the viewers (no matter how many times he's been on their channel - it's first of all, the right and nice thing to do, and second of all - eliminates all the possible confusion of him being a Sidemen member for new or occasional viewers, or, in this case, for Jacksfilms.). Why is he supposed to do the research (even though it clearly doesn't matter in this case, since he wasn't criticizing the youtubers themselves but their lack of commentary and transformative content), if they didn't even bother with a simple link?

[@michelle.delarge]

I like how happy Arthur always looks

[@SShonix]

Innit? He always has that smile on him 😭

[@user-ol2ss6me6n]

Them not having time to do highly edited high effort content, DOES NOT justify them stealing others content.

[@elllisgrey]

this is wild - i’m an american viewer and have been watching jacksfilms since i was 9 years old (i am now 24). never in a trillion years would i have predicted this crossover. i haven’t kept up with jack in forever, but i became a fan of yours in the past year or so and have been loving the vibes.

[@ZachWilsonsMomsFriend]

Am I crazy or does jack seem like a MAJOR dickhead? I’ve never watched him in my life, but this was a very bad first impression because he seems incredibly unpleasant

[@SadieKayrazy]

I did the maths wrong and I was so confused how you’ve been watching him for 25 years ☠️

[@kingofravens215]

Same it’s fucking surreal lol

[@LoyalandTrue.]

Your nationality matters why?

[@ZachWilsonsMomsFriend]

@@LoyalandTrue. They “never in a trillion years” expected this crossover between two very different creators that they’ve been fans of for time. Dummy

[@jayleneruizz]

to be fair i will say i don’t watch sidemen reacts specifically but watched the ones you and george were in and enjoyed them, however your types of reactions are much different due to you actually giving much more commentary and comedy added into the content. i also think most people watching reaction videos have sometimes already seen the original content a lot of the time and just like to see what other poeple also think of it as an american fan him saying he doesn’t know who the sidemen are is kinda shocking tho. even my friends who don’t watch them have at least heard of them

[@opalescentsnail3056]

14:50 i think the point more is that, if you can't add anything to it, don't react to it, because you're basically just plagiarising that content. so when he's complaining about you guys not adding any commentary, he's not necessarily saying there is something easy for you to add that you didn't add, but more saying if you can't add commentary to something then leave it out of the video, because its profitting off of others' content without their permission (and especially if there's not even credit added) just wanted to add i've watched both of you for a while now so this was really strange to see, jack definitely was making a few jokes that weren't necessarily content focused and it did confuse me a little, but overall i think he made some good points. and your reaction/commentary content on your own channels is much more transformative and that's what reactions should be, and a lot of that is because you actually choose content you can talk about lots and add more to :)

[@opalescentsnail3056]

also! it may not be the sidemen's main/only channel, but they're obviously still making a lot of money off of essentially stealing/using other people's content without adding much to it and without giving the original creators credit, and i think this is more the issue. i'm sure they make a good enough amount of money off of their many other videos and channels to not do this sort of "content", it just seems like a lazy way for them to try and make even more money with minimal effort

[@mantaminer6669]

​​@@opalescentsnail3056 The Sidemen are rich enough I doubt they are doing it for quick cash and Simon himself said they only do it for the fun of it on his channel

[@baileymurphy7478]

@@opalescentsnail3056 its not stealing the content, its using it. if anything it could help the creators channels if people find them funny enough, even ive searched for a channel after seeing a funny clip of them in a sidemen vid.

[@jellytwins1018]

@@baileymurphy7478 And that's why he makes such a big deal about crediting the origonal creators

[@Rosadeacx]

​@@baileymurphy7478can't find them if there's not even a username on screen

[@noitibmar]

You said a good few times "Jack should say how we could react better" but the opening of his video was literally directing people to what he considers "good react videos." I think he would rebut with your stance of "People don't want the commentary, they just want to watch the content" with "Then just give them the original videos and allow the actual creators to get income from it instead of stealing that from them." The Sidemen have plenty of income. They don't need to use the works of others to make themselves more. Allow the original creators to have those views. That's why he hammers so much on Giving Credit as an absolute minimum, both in the description and on screen. Because at least then, if someone sees something they like, they're *able* to find and support the original. Without that there's nothing. And if what you said about the Sidemen just watching a premade compilation that's already assembled on youtube by someone else is true... Everyone mark down "Freeboot of a Freeboot" on your Bingo Cards.

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

I'm so glad someone in the comments finally said it, it seems arthur and most of the other commenters here are completely missing Jack's point. Arthur keeps making the point that in multiple instances theres not much they could have said because the tiktoks are very short and not very deep or complex, but in that case, its probably a good sign that you shouldnt be using other people's content if there isnt enough substance in the original tiktoks for you to give any transformative commentary on.

[@Djordymans]

Im also so confused how jack didn't mention this in the reaction to this video. Its like saying that if i posted a movie on youtube its now fine for others to react to it and then also basically post a full movie to youtube. Because i allready did bad thing first

[@mistermista2927]

@@Djordymans I think the movie example is a bit antithetical to Jack's main point, because a film distributor isn't usually someone who needs the money the same way a small creator does (and often are pretty exploitative themselves anyway). Like I get what you're saying but I wouldn't call pirating a movie at all similar to someone who's already rich becoming more rich from stealing poor people's work.

[@jellytwins1018]

5:25 You see Arthur, that point would've made sense if they guys hadn't said multiple times that they don't even like doing but they started it and continue doing it because it's easy money.

[@paulthecreatorrr]

While he made a valid point about plagiarism, the rest of the video felt unnecessarily bitter rather than critical, especially considering that he claimed not to know much about the Sidemen. From a marketing pov, his focus appears to be on checking off a box for his merch, which he shows repeatedly throughout the video. This is likely why he exaggerates minor things and searches for issues even when there aren't any. If he intended to really criticize, he'd put more research into it instead of selectively attacking one video. Quite a poor attempt ngl.

[@clutterinparadise8839]

Real

[@ChocPretzel8]

It is funny when you see someone talk about something you actually know. You realise how uninformed they are and how willing they are to bullshit, calling into question everything they have ever said about things you don't know about.

[@theanttown]

are you serious? maybe he just doesn’t like when people’s content gets stolen. dude has been talking about this stuff for like 10 years on his channel

[@wanka6392]

@@theanttown these people are children, they don't care about the truth they just defend their favourite youtuber... don't read to much into it lol

[@GollumCanSeeYou]

@@theanttown From someone who dnt watch him, (jack) only seen a few videos back in the day and some clips ofc, I feel like he protray himself poorly in this video. First of all I would argue his reaction is lazy as well, as he is not adding anything past the like first 3 mins of the vbideo, after that it is just repeating himself. 2nd to me (as someone who don't watch him) he comes off as salty or hurt, that ppl that put this little effort into their videos is gaining similar numbers to himself when it comes to subscribers or views (channel specific). The reason I say salty or hurt is because he keep pushing how bad they are and that they make videos for 12 year olds (his words) whilst knowing nothing about them. Ofc they have fans in that age group, but they also have grown up ppl wathcing them (25+ even 35+) It is unfortunate cuz I do believe that his videos was initially way more beneficial for the scene as they (I assume) were aimed to improve the scene and remove or at least try to make ppl who dnt add anything to reacts videos less popular to encurage them to make the videos transformative, but it seems like he is doing the same as these reactors now, except he complains rather than laughs

[@i1113]

I think one of the main points jack makes with his 'jjjacksfilms' content (although I don't think its so clear in this particular video tbf) is that in order to create low effort content with minimal commentary, particularly where you're not creating transformative content, it has to be something that the featured creators have some level of agency over. It's not to say it's content that people don't enjoy, or that its 'bad' commentary, it's the ethical question of relying on other creators without asking for their permission to be featured in that style of content, and then not crediting the creators, meaning they're unable to benefit meaningfully. An example jack uses a lot is the Daily Dose of Internet. The key thing that makes the content more ethical is that each video is licensed out, and so the creators are aware they're being featured, they benefit monetarily and receive the credit/exposure. I think these are things that are probably necessary in sideman reacts style content, as it's a similar format. it's nice to see your perspective on this, as you're a content creator who I do genuinely respect and I enjoy a lot of the content you create. however, I do think it's a narrow line when it come to making sure that reaction style content doesn't border on being somewhat exploitative. I hope you take some of the feedback on board.

[@KamrynSamson-k9e]

“thank you you for blessing us mr television” we all say in unison

[@CosmicSoda]

As much as I appreciate your points, Jacksfilms point is that for the most part it isn't transformative content and you're (or at the very least the Sidemen are) making money off of other peoples content without paying them, or even doing the bare minimum and crediting the creators. The main point of the JJJacksfilms Channel is that it should be transformative and fair use commentary and at the bare minimum you should credit the people creating this content. As for your point about "you can't win" when he pointed out talking over the tiktoks - His complaint is a lack of actual transformative commentary. If you don't have something to say, it shouldn't exist at all. I enjoy sidemen's main channel content but saying you put a lot of effort into the commentary when most of the clips the only reaction is a laugh it just isn't good enough. From a viewer's perspective it feels like when you're watching youtube at a mates house and just chatting but from a creator's perspective it isn't transformative and more should and needs to be said to justify the tiktok being in there in the first place.

[@CosmicSoda]

To give the benefit of the doubt however, you did for quite a couple of them give actual commentary. As for the sidemen themselves they were so much worse. I think essentially just cutting out the tiktoks where absolutely no proper commentary was given out the videos would be the best solution here. I do admit jack should have elaborated more but you also misleadingly represented him especially towards the end where you said "that was all he had to say" in response to you and the sidemen giving no commentary on one of the tiktoks but from watching the actual video he talked about it for around 3 minutes and so that was very misleading to your viewers in order to promote your OWN point.

[@imkokothemonkey]

brother its tiktok reactions you want them to pause a tiktok after every 15 seconds and give a ted talk about it😂

[@lewisw14]

This is where the subjectivity comes into it though, if a reaction video stopped after nearly every video, I wouldn’t watch it or be interested. Some people genuinely like to watch as if they were watching with some mates, if it’s a tiktok compilation and something isn’t funny, just keep it moving. Completely understandable if that’s not your type of content but for a lot of people they prefer it

[@CosmicSoda]

@@imkokothemonkey general rule of thumb is that what you're reacting to should take up no more than 50% of the video so a 10 second tiktok should have a minimum of 10 seconds of reaction to justify "fair use"

[@CosmicSoda]

@@lewisw14 So you are here for the tiktoks not for the commentary. Which means they are profiting off of other people's content and not their commentary.

[@jaqsre]

i think you’re one of the creators that actually does it well. i can tell that you put in effort and actually have things to day about whatever you’re watching. weird situation this is 😭

[@ItsZtv3]

before i actually wtach this i just want to say thank you for at least coming up with a response so much quicker than the sidemen would, especially on youtube

[@sarahaque1382]

TBF the sidemen are very busy people

[@aikentang]

Why should they even respond? He was just picking on one video over the hundreds there are.

[@baileymurphy7478]

@@aikentang thousands*

[@osaidf]

He's a washed up nobody. They dont need to respond to him.

[@tommen4097]

Seems like they cant win whatever they do with jack, either they say something and its not good enough or they say nothing and he want them to say something

[@zakinthebox5963]

He lied or either forgot about knowing who Sidemen were, he made basically the same video 2 years ago about SidemenReacts

[@hwlnz]

i really hope more people see this comment omg. this is actually insane

[@scoutiii]

He was making a joke mate

[@fespadea8263]

I don't think he meant that he fully didn't know who they are. I'm an American who used to watch KSI and Miniminter when I was younger like 10 years ago, so I was vaguely aware that they were part of a KZbin group called the Sidemen, but I didn't really know anything about it because it's not as part of the culture here (until I started watching them a few years ago). I imagine it's a similar level of familiarity for him, since he obviously knows KSI. When he guesses what they do, he guesses playing soccer/football, so he's probably heard of the Sidemen charity match. Edit: Also, to clarify, he presumably knows they aren't primarily a reaction group, so having done a video on SidemenReacts in the past wouldn't tell him what their main content is.

[@lilypeplinski6990]

why would a grown american man know who the sidemen are.

[@kyrusxi]

@@lilypeplinski6990 Why would he not? the Sidemen and Jacksfilms are both veterans in the KZbin game that have been pretty influential and recognizable figures in the space for over a decade (though that applies more to KSI himself than the Sidemen)

[@harrietchin8534]

It’s pretty ironic the lack of effort Jack put into gaining insight into who the sidemen are, if people didn’t enjoy sidemen reacts they wouldn’t watch , I do agree some more credit should be given though!

[@BoberTee]

Mate sidemen reacts is lazy, that's it. It doesn't matter if people like the videos, they're still lazy. You're completely missing the point

[@sebastianquist3759]

@@BoberTeeyes they are lazy, but so was the Jacksfilms video too? So he doesn’t really have much of a leg to stand on in that regard

[@trp2863]

​@BoberTee the jacksfilms video was also boring and lazy. IT IS not up for debate.

[@tommymcdonald8351]

@@BoberTeewhat’s Jack content now a days 😂

[@Zantonny]

You don't need to know who someone is to say their actions are immoral. I am sure you'd understand if you spent months on a video, only for a group like Sideman Reacts to just download it and reupload it with no credit. They then take the top search results for your video, and you make next to nothing whilst they make 10s of thousands. They put it no effort other than to smack the download button on your work.

[@JasonEPerkins]

Jack is right. If you don't have anything of value to add, why post the reaction? And then they don't even give credit.

[@Randomdude12798]

I agree with the credit part but like people like to watch those type of video just let them watch the videos and let them make those type of videos 😂why yall acting like them making a reaction video personally hurt you😂 and the them being rich crap jack was talking about is just straight up stupid

[@melmontel]

Yea but when they do add commentary he still hates on it. Like WTF is this guy on his period or something?

[@xxxprogamerxxx5909]

​@melmontel if they credit the creators it's fine. The problem is when they do not get permission or credit the creators.

[@bobbobert9379]

@@Randomdude12798 It matters because it is theft. It matters because it is a crime. It hurts the people who made the original content and are having their work STOLEN to enrich others at their expense. It's not just a silly little thing, it is THEFT. When you do this, you are STEALING from other people. It is dead simple. "just let them have fun" is not an excuse for theft. Jack has interviewed some of the creators who have their content stolen by these guys and similar reactors, and literally all of them say that it does not sit right with them that others are stealing their creative works and making MILLIONS off of it. They put time and effort into the things they create and then someone else reaps all of the rewards. Can you not see how fucked up that is?

[@legiblebreak1693]

@@bobbobert9379 he clearly does SEE that since he agreed with CREDIT being necessary, your COMMENT would make sense if he was arguing to not GIVE credit

[@wynturkey83]

10:56 I think you are missing the point. The "chill" model for Reacts only benefits the Sidemen and makes them the most money with least effort. Jack's point would be that if you can't take the time to give credit/avoid ripping off other creators, then maybe you shouldn't be posting daily reacts videos and making money off the other creators' work. I watch all the Sidemen channels, but on Reacts they are most blatantly just doing it for the money. They have had videos where they sit in silence and just let the video play.

[@jellytwins1018]

the sad thing is that they don't even try to hide it, they've said it themselves multiple times that they only do it because it's easy money.

[@jamielong8976]

I agree that they should at least credit what they’re reacting to but I also don’t think reacting to TikToks that are just something candid with a bit of text over the top (not skits or edits as some effort at least has gone into them) is as egregious as is being made out. Do I think more work should be put in when they react? Yeah, sure. Do I think crediting what they watch needs to be done? Absolutely.

[@09ziyad]

they are not the only reason people watch their videos is because of their likeness not what they are reacting to, the other creators deserve nothing from it.

[@samuelpinder1215]

​@@jellytwins1018exactly. If its easy money you may as well do it. What's the problem. We all like money. Even those that deny it. You surely prefer having lots of money than scrounging a couple of quid a week off the government

[@Rubensteinsrevenge]

@@09ziyad the other creators deserve nothing?? Without the OC there's no video!

[@jonnyw819]

I recently got into watching Jack's bingo videos and while I support his overall point of giving credit to creators and ensuring content is transformable, I feel he does miss the mark at times but nobody really says anything because they're too tunnel-visioned on siding with jack and have the mentality of "this person is a bad reactor, therefore lets criticize all of their comments and reactions". 95% of Jack's reactions I've watched are funny and valid, but he makes fun of some reactions despite them completely valid, insightful, or relatable. For example when you are talking about being at a friends house, you raise a very relatable situation which builds upon the topic (as you would in a conversation) therefore making it transformative, yet I feel like you could've said absolutely anything there and he would've still said it was "not great". Then he just hyperfocuses on the canape thing, it was one singular throwaway comment from vik which simon openly mocked and he acts like you're all tryna flex being rich. I agree with his comments on when there is no commentary but its like when there finally is commentary he feels obligated to criticise it to build his line of argument and make an entertaining video.

[@christina8866]

yeah i may be biased against jack bc i've never heard of him but he looks like a real cock in this video. a lot of his criticism is totally invalid and is just him being snarky and cynical. not only that but very hypocritical, seeing as he points out the lack of effort on the sidemens part. meanwhile he also made no effort to gain background info on who they are and instead dives right in to pulling them apart with no context. he seems like he's on a high horse here

[@jspaceemperor420]

Stoped watching him years ago because of reasons just like this

[@leseulgian]

he did the same with simons comment about the dollar-store thing not being relatable (even though simon just said the whole video isnt relatable). despite supposedly not knowing anything about the sidemen, he assumed that because they are rich now, they have always been rich and therefore never been in a dollar tree store which was fucking stupid of him.

[@Rubensteinsrevenge]

I'm a fan of his, and I tend to agree with this. Sometimes, I think it may not be the smartest move to do it as livestream content. Maybe he would've caught more moments like these in the editing if it was a traditional video. Or he doesn't care because it serves his bigger point. Who knows.

[@conjo4030]

The tunnel "visioness" of the internet in general the last few years has reached crazy heights, glad others notice it lmao

[@Ana-gy5oz]

Honestly, with the amount of criticism he gave them, he also has the same problems he points out. He is kind of at the point of making fun of them just because they are big.

[@kaceyclarke5016]

for me it was the bingo tile of ‘overdramatising a tik tok’ after he spent minutes exaggeratedly laughing that they said they don’t like it when people are slow at TSA

[@jbawg]

He's so annoying, he fell off. I remember watching him back.in the days then he farmed like 50 videos about sssniperwolf that went viral. Now most of his content is just farming low effort drama while complaining about low effort content. Actually, an oxymoron.

[@Ana-gy5oz]

@@jbawg Ya I've seen them too and that's how he got big but that's all he's know for. He just needs some other good KZbinrs to say "are boring" just to get views.

[@Ana-gy5oz]

@@kaceyclarke5016 He just kept repeating how they don't commentate. His chat was the only thing that kept him from his repetitiveness.

[@Chan_K97]

@@kaceyclarke5016 his main criticism was that they don’t add much input. Then when they do, by saying one comment he says they’re overdramatising. Like pick a complaint sir

[@TarunXD]

I agree with every point Arthur makes here and Jack's video seemed like a ragebait that he's purposefully trying to show the Sidemen in a bad light. And he actually did some research before picking that video as you can see that he had already watched half of the video, before watching it on stream. And he didn't even go to the latest video, but picked that one specifically. And when he could have watched multiple videos from Sidemen Reacts also, like he did for SSSniperwolf, but he purposefully didn't. And he tried to show everything they said, every joke they made in a negative light.

[@127bee]

crazy that he watched bits of other videos, but specifically chose to go through one that has a guest in it.

[@LumberjackMC]

​@@127bee and one that's not the best, you know seems like he chose that specific video for a reason, maybe to push his own nothing burger across because that specific video is exactly what he needs to push a narrative.

[@TarunXD]

@@LumberjackMC Yes. and the Fattest wild animals video he was suggested by KZbin, he could have watched that as well. it was just a click away. I had respect for him when he had beef with SSSniperwolf. But he has made that his entire personality now. Bro you made your point. now move on

[@LumberjackMC]

@@TarunXD exactly, he peaked during the SniperWolf situation and ever since then it's like, okay man we get it you're a n*zi for reaction content. I agree they should always credit the original source but making overall generalizations about their content from one video then admitting you haven't watched their other content and didn't do research is just a nothing burger itself, you just completely discredited yourself by saying you don't know what you're talking about.

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

⁠@@LumberjackMC what narrative? That sidemen reacts content is lazy and shamelessly rips off other people's content? Because he's 100% right if thats his narrative. Yeah of course Jack is going to choose one of their worst videos to criticise instead of their best ones, because there wouldnt be much to criticise if it was a good video, I really dont know what argument you're trying to make here.

[@AshleyGossett]

I've noticed something that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet. The Sidemen are NOT lazy people. Sure, they half ass things sometimes, sure it's obvious that they aren't into certain things they're doing sometimes, but just classifying them as lazy is absolutely crazy. This is just one of their channels. They have a huge ass channel where they spend and give tons of money, time and energy to. They have a channel that they all genuinely enjoy doing and it shows. They have a channel purely for short form comedy, they have podcasts where they delve into deeper subjects and give their honest opinions. They have the reacts channel for the chill fans who, like Arthur said, like to just sit and eat and hang out without having to think too hard. They have different channels for different audiences and different opinions. Why does Jack think they're so popular? Maybe it's cuz they know how to work the system. And why does he come off so bitter and kinda jealous? Surely he doesn't do all of his analysis like this on a personal opinion from just the cover of the book right?

[@mattgleave64]

I think jacks point is that compared to smaller creators who make film quality stuff and don’t get recognised for it, the reaction content isn’t as good or worthy of all the money and attention. I think his point of “why aren’t you reacting” is not that he wants you to have a deep discussion about it but if there is nothing to say then why react to it in the first place?However compared to Arthur’s videos like his 90 day fiance one he mentioned, he is adding genuine transformative commentary to it which took time and effort which makes it worth watching.

[@Rin-i6g]

But the 90 day fiancee was a commentary? Not a reacts?

[@evangingerson1271]

People don’t care about a proper reaction discussion. They just want to see the sidemen watch TikTok’s they find funny and know they have seen it themselves

[@cameronffoulkes7370]

If your brand of content relies on not being transformative that’s fine, just always get permission from the original poster to take their work and give credit in the video

[@katlynreintsma3788]

Forms of content are subjective. Regardless if it’s low budget or not, some people may enjoy it. What doesn’t resonate with one person can bring joy or meaning to another, and that’s something worth respecting. Just because that form of reaction content doesn’t meet everyone’s ideal it still has value to those who connect with it. I do think they should credit the original creators or channels they are reacting to though

[@PsYcHoSiS11]

It's actually got absolutely nothing to do with "lazy" or "low budget" and everything to do with just pure theft. Jack has no issue with reactions if done correctly but he has issues when there is no input or kind of transformative spin on the content. It's literally content theft and there is no argument around it especially when you don't even link the creators.

[@holliev4488]

​@PsYcHoSiS11 I agree. Even if people say "it's just fun to watch" you're stealing money and content from these creators. Jack has very valid points throughout the video and arthur is taking it a bit too personally. There should be credit and they should at least add something to the content they're stealing. Also why not go into depth with it? It's interesting to start conversations and talk about issues within the world. Jacksfilms has his heart in the right place.

[@samuelpinder1215]

​@@holliev4488a lighthearted tiktok reaction is not the place to start discussing thr bloody gaza conflict or the autumn budget

[@ሸ፞]

@@holliev4488 Exactly, people don't care until they see the Sidemen using one of their vids without permission that someone else sent in, and they get nothing from it. It's like when people only start caring about what's going on in the world because it has started to affect their daily lives, but before, they did nothing to be involved, and rather looked the other way because it was easier.

[@tardybloomer]

exactly this. i saw a comment talking about how reaction channels should at least have funnier reactions to make it more transformative, but what's funny is subjective ?? just like how most things are subjective . so the reactors might be funny, but some viewers simply wouldn't find it funny, thus leading to it being called "low effort" or "lazy". yes, the least the editor could've done is added links to the original creators, or @ them within the compilation itself. but what counts as transformative is also subjective

[@zerothebear]

The amount of comments here that boil down to "theft is okay when someone I like is doing it" is wild. Jack had valid criticisms but y'all are getting defensive because he criticized your fave

[@cat-cam-87]

I think most people in the comments have seen it from just one perspective. Maybe they would have understood better if JJJack had worded his fffilm a little bit different. I don't know, sharing my thoughts.

[@zerothebear]

@@cat-cam-87 I mean, content theft is still bad regardless of how the call out is worded

[@cat-cam-87]

@@zerothebear Yeah, but reading most comments on here, it seems that people interpret his commentary as "too direct". As a fan of Jack, I think he could have worded it different, but maybe he's just seen so much of the same that he has gotten tired of it. Tbh I don't blame Jack. Comments are insane.

[@SweatySheets]

​@@cat-cam-87yh, maybe don't share your thoughts

[@cat-cam-87]

@@SweatySheets I have freedom of speech and you can't stop me.

[@Potatoboii2]

so other people have said about the "making money off other people's work" thing, but there's also the point that gets spread & reiterated of "well it's hard to be actually transformative *and* keep the video flowing" so then don't include the clip?? Like if you aren't able to add enough to the work then don't just half-ass it and stoop to stealing?

[@azuredrew]

Absolutely

[@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy]

EXACTLY, i like arthur but its so irritating how he doesnt seem to understand the point Jack is making, and most of the people in these comments are even worse. Its not like someone's holding a gun to their heads forcing them to react to tiktok clips, if they're incapable of making insightful or transformative commentary to those tiktok clips, then they shouldnt be making content revolving around those tiktok clips??? Arthur even admits himself that the audience is mainly there to watch the tiktok clips and would get annoyed if they spent too long talking and providing commentary, I dont think he realises that he pretty much indirectly admitted that the sidemen are ripping off and profiting off other people's content because other people's content is what the audience is mainly there to see.

[@LP-ey7np]

sidemen reacts very often cut out clips they dont react to

[@Potatoboii2]

@@LP-ey7np it's not that they need to react, it's that they need to be transformative, and i think this video tells that they don't always do that

[@kwdmn]

23:12 He points out him saying he cant relate to many of these, then says he is "flexing" because the tiktok he said it to was relateable to someone "poorer". When the literal tiktok before was relateable to rich ass mfs like what

[@christina8866]

he's lost the plot

[@Vamptre]

I don't get it maybe it's to be comedic but it just comes off as a bit nitpicky, what if he was the one sharing the Netflix, hence why he isn't relating? I don't even watch the sidemen and I agree with crediting the creators but dude

[@MartinelliFurtado]

I find it kind of ironic that he makes a crticism centred around laziness, and can’t be bothered to do a bit of research about who the sidemen are

[@lilypeplinski6990]

does that change the fact that the video he was watching was content theft? what would that context add?

[@trp2863]

​@@lilypeplinski6990that his content is also lazy and it's NOT up for debate.

[@gingycookie]

@@trp2863 it's up for debate and that's NOT up for debate

[@craigtrish2011]

​@@trp2863Awww not the lil sidemen fanboys getting offended 😢

[@bg3walsh]

@@craigtrish2011so immature 😂

[@tom_4615]

28:48 yo that’s me! Hahaha big love Arthur ❤

[@ManiBatchelor]

WE FOUND HIM

[@tom_4615]

yooooooo

[@jellytwins1018]

Arthur, the criticism isn't about what's the point of the video, the criticism is that they are stealing content regardless of intention

[@meowwww9275]

But in that case how is it ok for him to steal the same content? He didn't credit the creators of the original tiktoks so he has shown the same footage without credit therefore commiting the same fault. He didn't even research who the sidemen where before stealing their content or he would have known Arthur wasn't one of them. He is just as guilty of the same crime and these videos are just an excuse to use the names of popular youtubers to increase his own audience. He may have started out genuine but this is a bad faith take, he starts by pretending not to have heard of the sidemen when he has previously made content involving them so he is definitely more aware of them than he is pretending to be here. He then is deliberately obtuse in looking for an angle to criticise them, like how can you not react and react with a laugh to the same clip? It is clearly one or the other but he gave them both. Also on another note it is hard to relate to a tiktok about dollar tree as a person from the UK, I mean I assume it is their version of poundland but we don't have them here.

[@jellytwins1018]

@@meowwww9275 Try reading the description of Jack's video.

[@jellytwins1018]

@meowwww9275 read Jack’s description

[@Real_Xwisdom]

I think Jacks film's major point that it all comes back to is more a credit issue. If you look at the kind of reactors Jacks films has a problem with it's mostly large channels that take content from small creators without credit and add little to nothing. If you break that down it's making money of other peoples work. Which seems wrong. Also I am not a lawyer but I believe there are laws against that and probably guidelines against it too. Also I think Jack's commentary may not have been much but he was also doing react bingo which to me seems he added more than just bad commentary. I think as well Jack's video was just a part of a bigger live stream.There is a thing to be said about people enjoying that kind of content. I think however that the people that have an issue with that content know why it exists, but more have problem with should it exist from a legal and maybe moral standpoint and if it shouldn't why is youtube not holding certain content creators accountable.

[@ParaDoxical775]

There's nothing inherently wrong with reacting to videos, it's just how a lot of them are lazy in nature. If you're going to react, at least have substance to it, or else I'll just watch the video by myself. The big channels are profiting off of other creators by just laughing a few times and saying a few words.

[@caleb_created]

Hey Arthur, I appreciate where you’re coming from in that lazy content is enjoyable for many. I think Jack’s point is plagiarism, not that he wants you to talk about deep issues etc for the sake of it, but so that you have made transformative content that justifies taking the content from others. His mission is about not stealing content, and benefitting off the content made by others by ‘reacting’. He wants you to add value, or if not, to credit the creators.

[@holliev4488]

Yeah people are talking down on jack when he's just trying to help out smaller creators and help stop plagiarism

[@Monster-tl2oi]

Jack is certainly going about it the wrong way though. He's just constantly bitching his whole video. He seemed to have a preconceived hate towards the sidemen that he clearly showed throughout his video

[@Arthur_Frederick]

I did make sure to make it clear that I totally agreed with his points regarding plaigarism, but the vast majority of his video was criticism of the length, frequency or depth of commentary, which is why consequently so much of this video was spent discussing it.

[@holliev4488]

@Monster-tl2oi he's definitely had a bit more 'passion' in this video compared to others. But I get it's because he's annoyed and sick of the fact that content stealing (like this video) is so normalised and people are fueling it. Jack could have possibly been a bit kinder with it but I also get he's trying to get a point across. I've said in a previous comment somewhere on here that having a conversation with Jack on how to improve things like this! I think he was just being more blunt in this one compared to other videos

[@vortexgaming7485]

@@Arthur_Frederick it’s like 2am go to bed

[@nangarranga]

You’re right that TikToks don’t give much chance for reactors to talk about them, because of how short they are and how most are just jokes with no deeper meaning. But that’s why Jack doesn’t like reaction videos to TikToks. He doesn’t mention it in this video, but he has in others, especially when this started by critiquing Sssniperwolf. His biggest issue with reaction videos is when there is no reason to go and support the original creator by watching the original video, with the reactor making money off of someone else’s work. That’s why he is so adamant about crediting the creator onscreen and linking to the original in the description. The idea of “adding something to the video” is so that the reaction video is so that if someone just wanted to watch the original with no interruptions, they would watch the original instead of the reaction video.

[@MichlynnFiles]

This is the real life "No Pickles" guy he kept out the best parts to try looking cool

[@victoriaodegaard1]

I think he’s just making a point about how this isn’t transformative content and also the original creators aren’t being linked, which is obviously harder to do if this is a pre-made compilation but that it goes against terms of service guidelines and is low-effort. Because it is low effort. And people can still enjoy stuff that is objectively not great content because they’d rather not watch stuff alone

[@jacobanthony97]

I like your stuff Arthur but I don’t see what you’re annoyed about. Jack is spot on, the video isn’t transformative at all, it’s just 3 people sat watching Tik Tok and barely saying anything. Their react channel is a lazy channel that makes a lot of money built on stealing content and not even crediting the original creator. If there’s nothing to be said to the Tik Tok then it’s not worth posting for their own personal gain.

[@Polar_Ice889]

But the thing is, Jack is being hypocritical. Which is quite annoying to be fair. Don’t call somebody else out for something while doing the same exact thing. Especially in the same video that you call them out. Like, common sense?

[@pink.lurker]

I really enjoy. your content Arthur and especially your reactions as I feel like you do more than most reaction youtubers. Your input is funny and I like the facts you share when a video or something reminds you of them!

[@FlexDixi]

I think the point he is trying to make is the fact that react content should be transformative and that the original creator should (at least) get credit for the content that is being reacted to. This is mainly because (most) reaction channels with a lot of subs make money of those videos with minimal effort while the creators dont even get credited or shouted out. Now if the creators of those tiktoks gave consent for reactors to use their content it wouldnt be a problem.

[@biglion4631]

I heard more about how the Sidemen are rich from Jack’s video than anything else… Not how they can make their videos better (besides giving credit), why their reactions are bad, how he would’ve done things differently, what they could’ve said, or ANY constructive criticisms lol

[@helpicantsee]

Honestly, all Jack needed to do was watch more Sidemen content, even more reacts videos. He is usually so so so spot on with these things and I think he's got a little lazy himself and not done a single bit of his own research

[@SweatySheets]

He literally says in his reply "I'm talking specifically about the SidemenReacts channel" he doesn't care how much effort they put into other channels. They're stealing content on SidemenReacts

[@Chripzz]

I think you’re missing Jacks point. He’s mocking your commentary, but that’s not the point. Someone has created the content you’re reacting to. Content that the Sidemen are now basically just playing on their channel and getting revenue for, without even crediting the creator of the content. If you wanted to be really harsh - It’s basically stealing and then reselling the stolen product. At least have the courtesy to give credit in mention and link to the creators of the content they are now earning money on by just pressing play. I would also be frustrated if I put a lot of effort in on creating something just to then have someone else (much bigger and rich) steal my work and potential revenue. If the creator has given consent to react to their content without providing any mention about them as a creator, then that’s fine. However, now, if they have not consented to it, everyone has now seen their work, but they didn’t get the view and revenue for it, the already rich and famous Sidemen got the view and revenue for their work. By just mentioning who’s the creator and providing links to their channels, it’d at least be a way for the creator to be seen by being featured on the Sidemen channel. But to be fair, I think you might have gotten the point since the part of Jacks video where someone in chat mentioned that he had his content stolen and reused by the Sidemen was cut out of your reaction to his video. Time 4.21 in Jacks video. Cut out of your video at 3.03. I really like you but I think you missed the point with this one because it’s an “attack” against you and your friends and you go into defense mode, I probably would too.

[@whyyoumakemedothis]

I think he's being deliberately obtuse. The sidemen reacts content is so far from transformative it's not funny. It's a shame because I think Arthur provides a lot of commentary in his own content. To see him defend this is kind of disappointing.

[@catie5337]

I think there’s a point to be made here about the monetary aspect of the sidemenreacts channel that Jack hasn’t articulated clearly. The sidemen are obviously incredibly successful, have multiple youtube channels as sources of income as well as merch/drink/food businesses, they see more money in a month than most of their viewers will see in their lives. A channel where they sit and (barely) react to other people’s videos in a compilation made by someone else does come across as lazy cash-grab content. If the clip they’re watching doesn’t elicit any reaction, why are they making a reaction video? If the original creators aren’t being credited, I doubt they’re getting a small cut of the money the sidemen make from basically stealing their content either. In entertainment terms, it is more subjective. The only reaction videos I enjoy are ones that actually have something to offer me, comedic or educational, or I’d just go and watch the original videos myself. I like a lot of your reaction videos because of your interesting tangents or fun facts. I like Bach’s reactions because of his distinct style of comedy. Or another channel with distinct humour, prettymuchit, who reacts to tv/film but always with such high energy and quick wit. Each of you take existing content and inject your own personality into it, which makes for much more entertaining content that feels like it’s being made through genuine enjoyment, rather than a convenient way to churn out multiple easy videos a week for extra cash. I also might be reaching but I think the embracing of content like ‘lazy’ reaction videos is because our collective attention span is so short. Most people watch them while eating (when it’s much harder to just scroll through tiktok yourself because your hands are busy & I always see comments complaining when reactors ‘pause too much’, even if the commentary they’re making is interesting. People don’t want actual reactions, they want to watch the original tiktoks), because we can’t sit with our own thoughts or silence, we crave short-form continuous content to set off the dopamine receptors in our brains.

[@jellytwins1018]

Agreed with the last part! I hate it when lazy reactors try to claim that people are only watching the video cause of them, it's such BS. When scrolling through pretty much every reaction video you can see there's an attention spike whenever the video gets unpaused.

[@HollyGriffins]

Arthur it’s 1am go to bed mate 😂😂

[@Boothills-Husband]

Ah, time zone differences. It's 7 pm for me

[@DoodleCake]

@@Boothills-Husband im in the UK so also 1am, was gonna sleep but can’t now lol

[@biancafriesen1285]

For me is 22:45 😅

[@jamezhamez2218]

Lucky bastard has probably got a loose work schedule and can have a lie in 😂

[@jared17ds]

5:20 as much as I agree with your point of chilling with friends watching yourube. There are countless videos of the sidemen specially Harry pretty clearly talking about how they know the reacts channel is nothing more than a money making scheme and non of them even like doing it but they do it because it's a must. So you are wrong on that point that isn't the intention of that channel

[@samuelpinder1215]

Don't take anything harry says seriously. Also money is money

[@jared17ds]

@samuelpinder1215 weak excuse

[@zackattack3837]

Fair point like the whole point of reacts and side+ is to help fund the higher quality main channel videos as said by zerkaa on the Netflix doc, if it wasnt for reacts they wouldnt as high of a budget, obviously they do profit of these vids, and you can call them lazy with little reaction, however its for the sake of the fans

[@jared17ds]

@zackattack3837 you are so right stealing other people content with little to no credit ever is just for the fans come on guys. Why should they be ethical it's just for the fans.. no one's about the stolen profited content. Just the fans matter.. that's like me saying I stole from a lambo store cos my family deserves a lambo. I mean think of my parents they need it

[@TimothyHatting]

You all are just haters

[@HarsonCOD]

Tbh, i barely comment on videos, but arthur has such a good point! Throughout the reaction of Jack, he seems so sarcastic of the sidemen, and like in a way take the piss out their fame - "I bet the sidemen can relate to this" or "7 star resturant". Its quite sarcastic, I didnt expect this from Jack, but as a sidemen fan, his reaction kinda pissed me off. Overall, he seems so sarcastic about the whole Video itself, especially when talking about the sidemen, as disrespecting them. Arthur has such great points throughout the video, giving enough evidence. But yea, didnt expect this from Jack, its such a disrespectful and sarcastic manner throughout the video

[@Nikifuj908]

I understand your perspective; you don’t think you’re doing anything wrong by having a good time watching some videos. But if you know copyright law, this “defense” is pretty weak. If the audience isn’t coming for your commentary, then they’re coming for the content you took. That means you’re profiting off someone else’s work, without permission, credit, or compensation towards the original creator. The law does not protect that. It was designed at a time when people would sell bootleg copies of movies they didn’t make or books they didn’t write. So yeah, “watching someone’s video and having a good time” - when you’re broadcasting it to lots of people and profiting from it - _is_ copyright infringement, unless you have permission or are adding something to the video. Tom Scott has a great video explaining copyright law. I highly recommend it.

[@Arthur_Frederick]

I was a lawyer before being a KZbinr and I specialised in Intellectual Property law at one of the top firms in the world. The audience isn’t coming for the content, they’re there for the Sidemen and the commentary, they’re just not there for detailed analysis. ‘The effect of the use in the market or potential market for the original work’ is huge here, any of these TikTok creators barely, if at all, lose out from this video. People are not going to these videos as a substitute from viewing these TikToks in the app, they’re there to hang out with the Sidemen. Regardless, the test for fair use would require an essay, and Jacksfilms didn’t mention it once. He was criticising the style of commentary, and that’s what I defended.

[@NameHerePeebs]

"The audience isn’t coming for the content, they’re there for the Sidemen and the commentary, they’re just not there for detailed analysis" KZbin has an algorithm which will recommend people's videos regardless if you know about the content creator or not. SidemanReacts' videos often get half a million viewers in just a few days or less, which suggests that the algorithm is working in their favor by quickly gaining the desired audience in a short time frame. Claiming that "the audience isn't coming for the content, they're there for the Sidemen and the commentary" yet offer no evidence for such a claim and mentioning your prior profession yet barely offering insight from your time being a lawyer weakens your argument. I'm also sure that there are plenty of other lawyers who think otherwise Even if it were true, that all of SidemanReacts' audience came only from them, you're still offering a market substitute for an online audience. If someone were to publicly live-stream the entirety of the new Spideman movies to their 5 very loyal viewers, it would still be breaking fair use despite the market substitute being insignificant in size. The same logic should apply to reactors, such as SidemanReacts but this time they're reacting to full unedited videos that might not see light of day since someone has already offered a platform where you can watch it there instead. I also believe you have failed to recognize what exactly Jack is doing here. He is not criticizing the react content he shuns simply because of the commentary they offer. His criticism of the commentary is simply secondary to his main goal, which is how most of these reactors seem to follow the same formula while taking away a potential audience from the content they react to. This is why he created his Bingo form content in the first place. Content creators are very hesitant to call out these reactors simply because they know they will be dog-piled and harassed by the content creators they call out. I understand defending your friends/mutuals but proceeding to make excuses for react content when anyone who's actively on SidesmanReacts already have a decent source of income, sets a bad precedent for future react content and anyone who wants to criticize such content. You should watch "How The KZbin Algorithm Promotes Thievery" by Zackary Smigel, which tackles reaction content in a far better way I can.

[@Arthur_Frederick]

I didn't offer evidence because I didn't think anyone would dispute the fact that the people with 20 million subscribers on one channel and 6 million subscribers on their reacts channel have most people coming to their content for them. The fact that millions of people go to their main channel which is not reliant on any other content suggests millions of people watch videos just for them, and the consistency of their views on the reacts channel (where the content varies but their presence does not) as well as the nature of the comments is also strong evidence that people are there for them. Many of the comments on this video further confirm that. I mentioned my prior profession because the comment said "if you know copyright law". I was just clarifying that I know it better than most. By the way, in terms of logical argument, not presenting evidence doesn't weaken an argument, at best it fails to strengthen it. But I think most people would accept the assumption made and also get the implication that you missed. I didn't claim, nor even suggest, that the size of the market substitute was at all relevant. Your SpiderMan analogy is incorrect because the effect of the use on the market or potential market for the original work is that those people that would have watched the SpiderMan film and paid for it now definitely won't because they've watched the alternative. This is not true of the TikTok clips here. The audience would not have set out to watch these clips otherwise. The audience isn't there to watch those TikToks through another medium (like with SpiderMan), they're there for the content creators, so the TikTokers aren't losing out on views from this. It's not a substitution like in your analogy, it's a completely different alternative. Furthermore, given the way the TikTok algorithm works and the nature of TikTok as a platform, the reduction (if any) in views the creators would get on their TikToks by the Sidemen watching them is insignificant, and not because there are few of them, but the nature of both the original work and the use of the work mean that it's not a substitute. Additionally, the chances that those specific clips would come up on the For You pages of the audience is very low, the chances that they would have gone looking for those clips had they not seen the Sidemen content is near zero. And even then, if the clip were to come up, the chances that the viewer would skip it having seen it once is low due to the rewatchability of short-form content. I know this personally as one of my most viral TikToks was reposted by a bunch of huge meme pages without affecting the performance trend. There's a lot more to go into, but with the purpose and character of the reacts videos, the nature of the tiktoks, and the effect of the use on the market, the grounds for fair use are pretty reasonable. My video contained a response to each of his points as they came up. The majority of them were stylistic. If he wanted to make copyright infringement the key message, he should have expressly stated so.

[@NameHerePeebs]

@@Arthur_Frederick "The fact that millions of people go to their main channel which is not reliant on any other content suggests millions of people watch videos just for them, and the consistency of their views on the reacts channel." Except you do not know where these millions of people actually come from. You do not know whether if they're the same people who get recommended SSSniperwolf's (or any similar channels) videos or how much loyal Sideman viewers come to watch SidemanReacts videos. SidemanReacts is another outlet for them to garner a larger fanbase and increase their viewer-base on their other channels, which by itself is completely okay, but doing so in an unethical manner screams that this channel only exists as another source of income rather than to just chill with the Sideman, just as you said in your previous comment. "the nature of the comments is also strong evidence that people are there for them. Many of the comments on this video further confirm that." Many of the comments on SidemanReacts also lack the engagement, the amount of likes, the amount of replies for each top comment, and the relevance of each comment you would occasionally get on other videos. This suggests that people who watch SidemanReacts don't even bother to leave a comment, they watch one video then move onto the next. Also, the reason why there are so many engaging comments are on this video though is the relevance it has with Jacksfilms and that people will occasionally chip in to these types of online discourses. You check on SidemanReacts videos, or even in your case, your own videos, you start to see comment engagement is hardly there. Compare SidemanReacts videos to someone else who engages with their audience such as Jacksfilms, and even when Jacksfilms posts videos that have no online discourse such as on his main channel, people still manage to engage in the comments far more than the comment section for SidemanReacts, even considering SidemanReacts has a much larger viewerbase than Jack. "Furthermore, given the way the TikTok algorithm works and the nature of TikTok as a platform, the reduction (if any) in views the creators would get on their TikToks by the Sidemen watching them is insignificant, and not because there are few of them" This does not change the fact the SidemanReacts still garnered income from other people's work. It does not change that the mere existence of SidemanReacts' videos not only removes a potential slot away from what could've been a video from someone who worked hard on their video. It also encourages similar react content, react content that could be much effortless than what SidemanReacts posts. Though KZbin might play a big fault for even allowing react content to be so widespread, reactors still play another part in offering ammunition for KZbin to suggest react content to everyone else. If SidemanReacts are outsourcing work from other people without permission, then perhaps they should at least do the bare-minimum by crediting each and everyone they have reacted to. "Your SpiderMan analogy is incorrect because the effect of the use on the market or potential market for the original work is that those people that would have watched the SpiderMan film and paid for it now definitely won't because they've watched the alternative" The argument here is about fair-use, which I even mention is "breaking fair-use". Morally though, yes, streaming a Blockbuster movie unofficially is not very bad considering most who have worked on the movie have already been paid and compensated for. My point still stands though, if any of these content creators had the time of day and resources to file lawsuits against reactors, they would do so. Content creators inability to take action is one of the many reasons any reactor would prefer to watch online videos rather than daring to have their reaction plastered in a full-unedited movie shown to the audience. "Furthermore, given the way the TikTok algorithm works and the nature of TikTok as a platform, the reduction (if any) in views the creators would get on their TikToks by the Sidemen watching them is insignificant, and not because there are few of them, but the nature of both the original work and the use of the work mean that it's not a substitute" Though this practice of reacting is less harmful since TikTok and KZbin are on completely different platforms, SidemanReacts is still offering more paths for other react content to do the same, instead this time it's with KZbin. There is a react-market that Sideman endorses without even knowing about it and the only way to stop it is by ending reaction content or endorsing more transformative react-style content. "My video contained a response to each of his points as they came up. The majority of them were stylistic. If he wanted to make copyright infringement the key message, he should have expressly stated so." Though I do think it's Jack's fault for not making his goal/message any sort of clearer on his videos, I still do think with how much attention he has garnered attacking react content makes it abundantly clear that his goal/message is far more than just simple criticisms or even cherry-picks. He also constantly brings up his "credit the creators" argument which you even acknowledge in the video yet dismiss it by endorsing the Sideman business and even (jokingly) yourself. I'm sure Jack would absolutely think that not even giving the time of day to do some research and give actual credit to the content you've reacted to is "lazy", which is why he put it on his Bingo slot in the first place.

[@Maiyukiii]

The funny part about pausing early, or just in general, is people actually have a tantrum in the comments on SidemenReacts if they are pausing "too much." I don't actively watch Jack, I've seen some of his videos yet his content doesn't really interest me. Despite that for his point from what I've always understood is, and maybe I've understood his point incorrectly or something, but his point is very from the POV of the creators of the content being reacted to being not credited, not having much added to their content because you're just "watching" it not "reacting" to it. I've not watched Jack to know if he ever talks about what more you could be doing than just "do more." I'd love to find out but I'm not going through his channel just to do so as his content just isn't for me. TLDR: "You're benefitting off of other people's time and work into something they've created by adding your face and a couple of giggles to it." is his point I believe.

[@deepfriedheart9180]

Also, kinda crazy that he would only make all his commentary from one video. Super small sample size that doesn't always translate to the whole channel.

[@MrZeplon]

Yo, mad respect for having a calm and normal reaction rather than being a dick about it. Good on ya man.

[@Pepagg8]

I think the main thing here is that transformative commentary isnt just deep analysis but can also be stories, a bit longer version of what you already were saying in the video and cutting out tiktoks where you don't say all that much that being said very good video

[@haze1313]

Damn, didn't expect JacksFilms to argue in bad faith like this. This feels like he's just trying to get some of the KSI/DanTDM/Lunchly wave ngl.

[@singami465]

Short and to the point, to get the attention of an average Sideman viewer: Don't steal and profit of content that's not yours.

[@IJFJJAJI]

The average sidemen video ranges from 1-4 hours. Stop trying to make insults based off of things you don't know about.

[@tob.meister]

You should take the things Jack says seriously. This is obviously aimed at the Sidemen but the video is genuinely awful. Vague 'reactions' that add nothing and not a single bit of credit to the original creators. A company/channel as big as the Sidemen can and SHOULD do better, even on a more "relaxed" channel. They have the funds to hire the people needed to do the 'dirty work' of trying to give the required credit to the original creators. A lazy defence to a lazy video.

[@KalenAlmeida]

Jack's whole bit with the bingo and mocking is just taking the piss, I wouldn't take all that too seriously. His point is just that if channels do reactions without much of anything to add, and people are coming to the videos FOR the TikToks like you said, then the creators of those TikToks deserve compensation, or at the very least credit in the video

[@bethysheppard]

I watch the Sidemen, and I'm 25, a girl and Canadian. Been watching them since the very start. I can't wait for when they post videos, and I watch them as soon as they come out. Legit got no idea who the guy talking about the boys is, and the US is way closer for content than the UK, yet basically all KZbinrs I watch are from the UK, some from the US and Canada, still no idea who Jack is. Love the videos Arthur, and I absolutely love when you're a guest in Sidemen videos, you bring a great energy to them!

[@JoJoLoliPop-zi6yb]

i watched one of your videos as jack said to at the end of his followup to this vid. and your reactions are definitely not an issue. you pause and have stuff to say and i love that so much! you dont just watch or read something and say “haha neat ok next” or “damn thats wild ok next” keep up the great reactions!!

[@AbigailLenin]

This video is far more transformative than the sidemen video.

[@AbigailLenin]

Arthur, you should reach out to Jack and talk about this. You seem to agree about some issues and could be open to discussing your disagreements.

[@saahilbali668]

While I agree with you, Jack seems so egotistical that he won’t change his opinion

[@HotEatTheFood]

@@saahilbali668jack has already done a video with someone who was the og sniperwolf and it was a really articulate and open video. I’ve been a fan of both channels and Jack has always promoted open conversations and dialogue

[@ilexdiapason]

​@@saahilbali668he's done what this person is describing before, with azzyland, where the reactor reached out to him and they made a video together talking about it

[@MrBCB]

@@saahilbali668 He's done this exact same thing before, stop assuming things

[@moomoomamoo]

I agree with this completely. Most of the time, people who are involved with stealing content are too hot headed to have a discussion on it. This would be nice.

[@cheeezstix]

bro does no wrong and is still catching bullets 😭😭😭

[@Chaiidev]

Jack just comes across as bitter lol just clasping onto straws and a wanna be “constructive criticism” “woke” KZbinr what a loser

[@katiolyn7880]

Speaking about the 90 day fiancé series on you’re old channel I’m binge watching it all,genuinely so good I can’t stop watching it its my favourite thing to do right now, wish you continued I love hearing you’re opinion on things

[@ryantompkins8532]

If a clip doesn't require a reaction then you shouldn't react It's needs to be transformative

[@Alext4cy]

i agree with arthur in the sense that sidereacts isn’t the main channel, so it’s not like one of the lazy accounts that just react and don’t add anything and that’s their entire job, however i think arthur is missing the point that this account has 5 million subscribers! it gets so many views and makes them so much money, but the people who are the reason that money is earned don’t get any money, views or anything from it at all, the sidemen are profiting off content that isn’t theirs and aren’t really adding anything to it at all

[@jamessmith1928]

I'd highly reccomend watching DarkViperAU's series of videos on why reaction content is not only lazy content, but also harmful to the wider creator community. It's not about the content you usually do where you add commentary, but the content like sidemen reacts where they add little to no additional content to what they're watching.

[@LittleMissSkelling]

Definitely agreed with everything you mentioned in this video. Feel like Jack is missing the point and also just feels like he doesn’t like this kind of reaction content. Which is fine, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but there’s no need to shit all over it. Probably a little bit of jealousy as well because if your a content creator that makes high quality videos but then see other content creators make super chill and easy videos and still get a ton of views and maybe even more I can understand it can be frustrating. I’ve seen it a lot where a lot of people hard work goes unnoticed on KZbin

[@SweatySheets]

Did you even watch Jack's reply video?

[@Gangstertimothy9]

tbf sitting and watching other peoples stuff while giving little jokes and giggles is very lazy content

[@suryanshrajtripathi6629]

I respectfully think you're missing the point

[@Gangstertimothy9]

@ nah it’s still the truth

[@spo0okyghost768]

He’s doing the exact same thing tho..

[@Gangstertimothy9]

@ Yeah he is tbh but he gives credit to posts makes a game out the thing and just does it 10x better

[@spo0okyghost768]

@@Gangstertimothy9 that is fair I don’t watch the sidemen and I completely understand why people call it lazy content I just think that’s almost half of KZbin if you get down to it

[@metalfairywings]

I agree with most of what you’re saying, but at the end of the day, it’s still other peoples content being used, and without credit, and without ‘transformative’ commentary (what KZbin says you need, so that you’re not just re uploading someone else’s content with a laugh and a “yeahhh” here and there. It wouldn’t be a “nice touch” for “some” of the creators to be credited in the description, it’s the bare minimum to credit them on screen and link them.

[@CliveClinton]

He made a few valid points but I think 2 things happened Firstly he misses the point slightly, he assumes that because it's a reacts channel it must lean more heavily to commentary but for some viewers especially for the sidemen channels like reacts are another way of the audience bonding with them. Like essentially let's all sit down and watch this video together as opposed to watch the sidemen critique this piece of content Secondly he came in with a bias or an agenda to negatively critique the sidemen because unless something is lost on me he starts of trying to convey he has no idea who the sidemen are but proceeds to refer to them in the rest of the video as if he has already seen multiple videos when he calls them the "crazy sidemen"

[@Chan_K97]

Exactly! It’s a react channel, not a commentary channel, two similar but different concepts. Also, him going in on Simon saying that he’s flexing was hilarious as a Sidemen viewer when you know his personality and sense of humour

[@DanielSmith-te3df]

Yes but I mean the lack of credit is significant

[@tallemajas]

As someone who watches him: I think his take is that you should either a) make the reactions transformative by adding commentary, jokes, whatever, or b) you should pay the creators to use the clips (the way Daily Dose of Internet does) if you're not adding anything transformative, otherwise you're just making money off others' work by doing nothing

[@ericbaker8781]

If your content is stolen then you shouldn’t be paid for your content. Smooth brains need to defend their reaction channels because it’s the closet thing they have to a friend.

[@missingsockss]

you can say the channel is "for the fans" as much as you want, but at the end of the day, it's still a compilation of uncredited tiktoks. if they really just wanna make casual content for their fans, why not focus on gaming videos? they also let viewers have that parasocial bond - just without having to exploit smaller creators' hard work. on the other hand, if they're trying to be a channel known for reactions, why aren't they cutting out the tiktoks they have nothing add to. it shouldn't be hard for the sidemen to make transformative reaction content they're all pretty charismatic guys. the sad truth is that they probably just see the reaction channel an opportunity for easy views/money

[@azuredrew]

You made the argument that you can't stop to react to it because there isn't much to add - and that's the entire reason you shouldn't be uploading a reaction video. It just takes views away from the original creator.

[@dailydoseofexistence7159]

I am not against you personally but I definitely disagree with your last statement that people should come and watch you for tiktoks that are not yours, I don't think you should be just stealing the tiktoks, "Lazy content" is not a pass, It's like a theif saying "police officers don't understand that I'm lazy to earn money" there is no justification for that. Again, I don't mean to be offensive, but I have to say it.

[@blehbleh4531]

He's calling out lazy reactors so if someone is actually transforming the work then it's alright. The sidemen rlly have to make sure to credit the people they react to.

[@samphillips141]

He is literally just reacting to sidemen reacts by reacting with be condescending. Jack is being an absolute douched here. They are not stealing content they are reacting to a montage of clips. They don't sit there watching someone's WHOLE VIDEO LIKE JACK IS.

[@reecegarton5925]

⁠@@samphillips141 the point is that the sidemen ARE watching people’s entire videos and giving minimal reaction. If they weren’t profiting off of the video then it would be alright but they’re running a BUSINESS. By using other people’s videos without credit or permission and profiting off of them, it’s an infringement of copyright. Essentially what they are doing is the same as people on tiktok with a facecam in the corner whilst a whole movie plays in 14 parts. They are stealing content for money.

[@jamescallanan2443]

​@@samphillips141those clips are whole videos. They're tiktoks

[@samuelpinder1215]

​@@reecegarton5925piracy and copyright infringement are different things. Copyright allows for use for criticism. Which is what reactions are. Piracy is piracy and there's no way around it like with copyright

[@reecegarton5925]

@@samuelpinder1215 I understand what you’re trying to say, but with sidemen reacts and ‘lazy’ react content they don’t provide any form of criticism. They have their facecam in the corner of the screen and occasionally laugh or say the most basic of things whilst other people’s videos play at the forefront. It’s clearly not transformative and therefore content theft. What jacksfilms is trying to say is that they don’t really have any commentary to say about stuff, so why post it with yourself in the corner not saying anything?

[@bobbob5255]

its because they make money off of other peoples content with no credit and little to no commentary. they are essentially stealing content for their own monetary gain. the viewers enjoying it or not is irrelevant to jacks main point. Now where you draw the line from an acceptable amount of commentary and an unacceptable amount is perfectly valid to be up for debate. but the current format of a sidemen reacts video doesn't hit the bench mark for fair use.

[@c_0905]

A reaction channel has used one of my tiktoks before without permission. They said a few words about it and moved on, no credit anywhere. If they feel like they can't add anything to it to make it transformative or constructive, then I personally don't think they should include it without credit and permission. Not having permission or at the very least credit, IS ripping off other creators. Reacting without being transformative and/or constructive is adding little to no value whatsoever, so it does apply to these videos. These videos would be absolutely fine if there was credit at the minimum and if they preferably had permission. From my perspective, it's frustrating to have your own content stolen with no value being added to it at all and with no way for people to easily find the original video/account. It's not about whether the audience enjoys it or not. I'm not saying it's unenjoyable content because I'm sure there's people that enjoy it, but by making these videos, they're making easy money off of stealing other people's content and the creators get absolutely nothing. A good example is Daily Dose Of Internet, I don't think they add much value to the videos that they use or make high quality content, but they get permission and they credit and pay the original creator. Nobody should get a "pass" to steal content for their own gain. If anything, bigger creators should be setting an example because other creators typically follow, that's how reaction content became so big in the first place.

[@natashajaynedevereaux6322]

This jack guy is PAINFUL to watch

[@KringoGG]

OG H3H3 videos are what reaction videos should strive to be. Some of the best KZbin content of all time. Current H3H3 is a very different story lol

[@gigibee_]

Arthur kinda cooked him ngl

[@DanikasDayDreams]

I was waiting for this after watching Jacks video… my KZbin worlds are colliding lol

[@al-manasama8370]

I like react content but I do get jack's point. The sidemen react channel is boring, they don't react or say much. That changed when you and George went on the channel, was fun to watch you react to memes and actually say things and joke around.