Huion Kamvas Pro 19 - review

[@Thewingsoffreedom.]

Less than 10 minutes in and you've reviewed so much than other artists or even reviewers. I appreciate the measurements you did to such depth. Keep it up David!

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you! Oh yes, I had a look at other reviews and mainly saw "I like this, I don't like that" but no real measurements. I don't blame, my previous tests and reviews were similar. But I'm learning, and investing in mini toys (heat gun :D) to help me to do the best I can. I really wish I'll be able to afford more tools like that in a near future (eg. a hardness measurement tool, on the Mohs Hardness Scale, or a plug to put on the power supply to measure power consumption) :-)

[@Wazurd]

This is probably one of the most detail pendisplay review. I hate it when alot of other reviewer just straight up say "oh this is good drawing experience" like how about the IAF and the precision of stylus to the cursor?, alot of people got baited by the previous Huion product because the reviewer always said "close to Wacom quality" in reality it is NOT. This video literally answer all of that matter. Amazing review David Revoy!

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you very much! I'm still looking for solutions on how I can test the precision of the coordinate (eg. subpixels precisions) I hope I'll find!

[@Artist1974CH]

But it is true that people like you want to see a Chinese brands to fail anyways because you've heard that "CCP" Chinese make cheap junk as the US Goverment and US corporations say? I would love to hear true honest reviews about Wacom brands and Apple IPad with Procreate installed. I am sure these devices have flaws!

[@unk511]

IDK which is better, your art style or your technical review. Hope you can grow and bring us more quality reviews like that! Cheers!

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you!

[@MikeLugnegard]

The Lemmings-disc was such a nice touch! Great review! Edit. This is the best review I've seen for a display tablet. You cover everything an artist wants to know. Made me push buy on the 24 Pro 4K.

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you! Oh yes, the 24 Pro looks amazing

[@levisantos1821]

Wow!! This is the best review on the internet!😮

[@xis7296]

I was actually wondering how to choose one of those tablets. Thanks for the video.

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you, and good luck in your quest for finding a new hardware!

[@stonewashedskies]

Wonderful review as always and the Huion illustration looks great!

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you!

[@qowaidulumam]

Just right in time this video came 🎉

[@chika8461]

amazing review thank you. loved your cat

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you! This one is my third one, Miolek (the one who meow a lot), I was surprised he wanted to be around during the shooting. On the previous review, it's Noutti, my red cat (but also an old boy, 11 y/o) who decided to be around.

[@GordonRunklePhoto]

Excellent review; thank iyou! Loved your art, too, and of course your assistant! =^.^=

[@DavidRevoy]

💜💜💜 Oh yes, Miolek, my third cat was an angel during the shooting of this review. He was super curious. I love how he photobombed the unboxing and I was in super focus with what I was doing and could only listen to the sound of him in background (praying he wasn't doing a mess in the box)

[@Alayakumari]

Que bueno ver uno de tus videos David 😊

[@Thewingsoffreedom.]

David would you make a tutorial on how to calibrate monitor color with a colorimeter? I haven't seen any tutorial from artist on that and it'd even be better if you do it because you explain clearly and in depth but conscise too.

[@DavidRevoy]

Hey, that's a good idea! I'll probably need technically to wait a bit because the X11 method is reaching end of life and there is still not really a way to make that properly under Wayland ( properly as in "native" and "user friendly" except with running the X11 software under Xwayland mode). Things are coming together, slowly, but it's defintely something I want to cover.

[@FengXingFengXing]

Great ofice with cat. When measure temperature please tell what is temperature of air in room. I live in place have air temperature 30°C+ whole year.

[@DavidRevoy]

Hey, thank you. Yes, that's indeed an important metric. I'll include it in next review videos. At home it's pretty constant in Winter time here, so during this test it was around 21°C (with variation +- 2°C ). We have summer over 30°C, and I'm curious how these devices will cumulate heat at this time.

[@emar779]

Merci David! Did you find any problems with the cables in terms of the angle they have to bend at? The side attachment worries me that over time it will fatigue the USB port or cables or both because for me, they will have to bend and go behind my displays (as you can imagine, there are things like the mouse and other stuff on the right side of any computer desk that stops a direct path for the cables ... direct path would be ugly anyway haha). Also, what do you think about the matte coating visually? A lot of reviews have talked about a kind of blurry/fuzzy look due to the etched glass making things "not as sharp", especially at 4K because that's where things like text and buttons become small. Do you notice anything like that? If so, will 1440p help reduce that effect? Thanks!

[@DavidRevoy]

Thank you, about the cables, the default one are very not flexible, and you can't bend them to go behind or under the unit. I think your option in this case is to invest in two good quality (high voltage, bandwith) USB-C (female to male) with 90° angle connectors, so you can manage to hide them totally. But the two plug are also not far away each other, so it require probably a bit of trial and error to find the good cables with a head that will fit. About the coating/overlay surface; it's difficult to say, because there is always a tradeoff. A 100% glass smooth will for sure show the resolution crystal clear, but at the same time will be an horror for drawing on it, as drawing with a plastic object on a glass. Huion decided to get a good balance, and one clearly more about the screen quality than the 'paper texture', or 'matte' feeling. For example, on my other review about XPPen; Xppen decided to go more on the texture and matte territory, and the picture looks a bit less sharp but the comfort of antiglare and texture is better in my opinion. But for sure, I was flattered by the feeling of the deepness of the color of the Huion; not because of the display itself, but because of this smooth overlay surface. Going 1440p (reducing resolution) increase blur and loose definition (you have a scaling/anti-aliasing, it's not "pixel perfect" as in 4K) but at this level of ppi , it's acceptable. So no, I haven't seen any effect like that. For sure, as for any device with an overlay surface it can't match a glass clear aspect as for a phone, but this display tablet was the one most successful at this, imo.

[@don-dori]

Hey, David! Would you happen to be willing to test nib compatibility between Huion's styluses and XP-Pen? Namely the X3 Pro Slim one, as there doesn't seem to be any felt tips available for it, I'm wondering if Huion's, or even Wacom's would fit. Certain Wacom's nibs seem to be compatible with fat X3 styluses and Xencelabs nibs compatible with some Huion and Wacom styluses, would be nice to see some compatibility of more recent tech as it's often cheaper to go with alternatives. 😉 Could be a part of future review videos, nib compatibility! 😀

[@helios1051]

Does the palm rejection still happen with glove on ?

[@DavidRevoy]

On Linux X11 yes, but it's a software issue: the software (input stack) don't know really how to count 3 or 4 fingers and even decide if it is a single click, etc... On Wayland it was way better as it is part of the new stack , I could test on Wayland native element (eg. filebrowser) , but to experience it fully in Krita it will require to wait the Krita rewritten in Qt6, with a true Wayland support. I'm sure on Windows and Mac it is a totally different scenario.

[@helios1051]

@@DavidRevoy thank you !

[@mecha-sheep7674]

So, Huion or XP-Pen ?

[@DavidRevoy]

Hehe, that might be the topic of a next video if I'm getting motivated. But, as you probably saw, the reviews are almost identical as the tech underneath is probably really close (the 18.4 4K screen, USB-C, two styluses...). I think this Huion could appeal the Mac audience; used to glossy screen and aluminium case. Also, maybe for the audience coming from Ipad (Touch for zoom, panning). but for my own usage, I struggled, and in the end I kept the XPPen connected because probably of the bias I had of using the 16inch model for a year before that already being adapted to the sensitivity. All in all, I think the end price will be the best argument for whomever look for a 4K 1:9 19inch tablet.

[@antoonsorg]

Awesons I have a huion kamvas 22 fantastic tablet.

[@DavidRevoy]

@@antoonsorg Yes, I'm really surprised how all the tablet industry is moving in the right direction technically: stronger overlay, better screen, slim, etc... Certainly a side effect of the mobile industry innovation. Good for us artists. :)

[@ChengduLittleA]

Checked your blog post :D it's so cool it will work with libwacom directly! This makes me want to switch to huion (after my cintiq 24 die that is i guess lol)

[@DavidRevoy]

Yes! I can't wait for the new libwacom to be released everywhere and the udev-bpf fix also to be in mainline kernel. After that, this one will be plug and play on Wayland Gnome and Wayland Plasma as any Wacom tablet.

[@edwardnoble9897]

Really good review! Thanks for all the work you put into this :)

[@asmrnaturecat984]

i see that you are using debian, however, as im a new linux user..ive only ever use arch, wonder if this will run smoothly on arch, i use a laptop for my work mostly as i move a lot, but still considering to have this big screen, if im not mistaken, in the huion website, the supported the driver is for ubuntu(debian based) only as a casual linux user, im a bit hesitant to distro hopping as i only use linux as an alternatives and not because i want to deep dive in it if its not to much, i hope you can include the step by step for arch user in your blog

[@DavidRevoy]

Hi, yes, on Debian 12 KDE here :) I'll not publish Arch specific set of instructions; because it's not really relevant: what's more relevant is if you use a X11 session or a Wayland session, and what desktop environment you use. All of that is on the blog post, and the instructions. For the Deb package of Huion, if you want to use their driver on Arch, you can easily (probably, not tested) just unpack the deb (it's an archive) and install manually the executable and various libraries as organised in the deb package. Probably check AUR; I wouldn't be surprised if someone made a script for doing that automatically. On the bright side, if you look at the blog post, and the udev-ebpf and libwacom repo, a lot of work was made for an out of the box "coming soon" support. Totally FLOSS. I guess arch will be the first OS to grab the new versions out of the box.

[@asmrnaturecat984]

@@DavidRevoy thanks for the explanation my friend, i switch to linux after i saw your video drawing on a thinkpad with linux

[@DavidRevoy]

@@asmrnaturecat984 Wow, bravo to you (the period is a bit difficult with the transition from X11 to Wayland) hopefully everything will get easier in a near future and thank you for the feedback!

[@Joachim-o8l]

OpenTabletDriver work well

[@DavidRevoy]

@@Joachim-o8l Can you let me know what operating system and what tablet ? because on my test here, it was a userland driver with disconnections on the first hours. I'm sure it's a good solution, but probably specific to some environment and hardware that's why I'm curious.

[@batatacuántica]

I like to watch videos because I learn english and get information about tablets xd

[@jackngure7373]

what app do you use to draw?

[@DavidRevoy]

Krita

[@bizpoop160]

Je kiffe t'est vidéo continue comme ça , mes j'ai pas pus me retenir pour l'accent 😂 désolé 🇫🇷

[@Darvious3D]

Hi is this Linux you are running and the KD100 mini shortcut pad thing works?

[@DavidRevoy]

Hey, the keypad is the Kdial Mini K20 remote, and this reference works under Linux. You can check this topic: gitlab.freedesktop.org/libevdev/udev-hid-bpf/-/issues/35

[@ZephrusPrime]

I use an Intuos Pro Large how does the stroke quality and response feel compared to it?

[@DavidRevoy]

Hey, yes. This generation of Huion (and "gen2' XPPen also) have both comparable quality for the input. At least for sure on Linux, where I test things (I guess the driver also does a lot). For context, Wacom sent me a Intuos Pro Large, and I used it in production but unfortunately, the quality of the build was low: the overlay surface after 6 or 8 months went full of scratches , and the plastic parts of the stylus were jiggling, but except that, it's indeed a high quality tablet for the precision of the input and the responsivness of the tilt/pressure. I had a great (but short) time with it. Too bad, I really liked it for a screenless tablet. Especially how thin (and cold, zero heat) it was on the desk.

[@ZephrusPrime]

@@DavidRevoy I agree that the Wacom has issues. I hate the nib wear on this generation as it seems they were made to fail fast. This results in too much scratching on the surface itself but the surfaces are replicable which I have done already. I prefer to use screen less tablets due to the amount of hours I spend, shoulder and neck pain just get the best of me. Do you think you might be able to compare XP-Pens and Huion's new large non screen tablets against the Wacom? The HUION Inspiroy Giano G930L and XP-Pen Wireless Drawing Tablet Deco Pro XLW 2gen seem to be good competition to replace Wacom Intuos. -Cheers.

[@ZephrusPrime]

@@DavidRevoy Have you thought about reviewing the large non-screen tablets like the Huion Inspiroy Giano G930L and the XPPen Deco Pro XLW 2nd gen to compare against the Large Intuos?

[@DavidRevoy]

@@ZephrusPrime That's a good idea, I'll have a look at them and ask my contact if I can get a sample for review maybe. I need to also check if the core bits of these models can run with 100% Free Libre and Open Source. But yes, large screen-less tablets always were my favorite.

[@chloek1182]

out of curiosity, what email client do you use with linux?

[@DavidRevoy]

I used a long time Thunderbird, and a short period Geary. But over the last years (probably since 2018) I started to just use the web GUI of my Protonmail and then I fusionned and redirected all my emails to that. For convenience (sync with the phone, sync on laptop, etc). I still have a thunderbird and the proton encryption app for getting IMAP; I run it sometime but it's more to get a local backup if Protonmail ban my profile or shutdown.

[@NiSE_Rafter]

So which do you prefer between the Huion and XP-Pen 19" devices

[@DavidRevoy]

Hehe, I replied it in another comment if you are curious. The comments are not many, it should be easy to find it :) *suspens*.

[@Retro-Future-Land]

I use an XP-PEN 13.3, which is decent enough. This looks great, but seems pricey.

[@DavidRevoy]

Yes, different sizes, different budget, different taste and different target. I'm super glad small display tablets still exists. I'll see if I can review one soon. especially one that can connact to a laptop with only a USB-C.

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

perso ,je suis un peu deçu de huion et xp pen , ils peuvnt sortir des model en 18.5 pouces en 4k ( inutile a cette taille d ecran , sans compter que la tablette ne sera jamais plus proche que 50 cm des yeux ) bref , 4k sur du 18.5 c'est quasiment du 200 ppi la seule chose que la 4k fait pour cette tablette en 18.5 pouces , c'est augmenter de façon artificielle le prix de la tablette , la 1440p aurait deja donné 158ppi ces marques commercialisent des tablettes en 22 pouce ... seulement en 1080p la densité de pixel est trop basse , c'est la foire a la pixelisation .. et pourtant je ne suis pas vraiment quelqu'un qu'on pourrait appeler "trop exigeant ", mais là, ça trop!! du 1080p sur du 22 pouces , c'est seulement 100 ppi ((134 ppi en 1440p )) c'est quand qu'ils vont sortir des model 1440p pour 500 euro? on est en 2024 tu imagine une tablette de 32 pouces mais en 1440p , voila le genre de problemes que c'est , leur argument principale c'est " value* mais a quoi bon avoir de la valeur si on n'a pas envie d utiliser la machine ?

[@DavidRevoy]

Heu, du quadHD 16:10 en 16pouce chez XPpen, c'est à ce budget là ( www.xp-pen.com/store/buy/artist-pro-16-gen2.html ) ; mais oui sinon. Le 4K sur 16:9 c'est bourrin, mais ça s'apprecie sur du Line-art fin avec le stylet fin: c'est précis et le trait est mordant dans sont rendu, pas d'anti-aliasing visible. On peu presque bosser en 100% aliased workflow sans que ça se voit. Bref, je suis pas contre les haute résolution. Le point vraiment pas top, c'est surtout que ça pompe à fond les cartes graphiques et performances, et que le display scaling des distro linux c'est pas ça. Mais à voir avec les futures D.E. Wayland.Merci pour ton retour!

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

@@DavidRevoyla naza louent leur ordinateurs je crois😂 , avoir un ppi au dessu de 110 ppi est essentiel pour le Line art ,ça je ne dit pas , mais pour un model en 19 pouces ,le 1440p est extrêmement net , moi je râle sur le manque de ppi sur leur model 22 pouces , 100ppi ,c’est vraiment trop bas techniquement parlant , sauf si tu plisses les yeux😅 j’ai du mal à percevoir la valeur d un outil qui ne donne pas envie surtout à + de 550 € 🤔 Si tu pouvais avoir accès aux modèles 22 pouces de chez xppen et Huion via un sponsor par exemple , je pense que ça te sauterait aux yeux🫠

[@DavidRevoy]

@@jeofthevirtuoussand Oh oui, la mode des 22 pouces en 1080p, j'ai connu et pratiqué:j'ai eu la Cintiq 22HD en 2017, et c'était ça. Même la 21UX , modèle que j'ai eu de 2011 à 2015; c'était un 21 pouce avec 1600x1400 ou qqchose du genre (ça remonte). Oui oui, on voit bien la mosaique dans ce genre de ppi ^ ^

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

@@DavidRevoy 2011 , c'est deja 14 ans en arriere💀je viens de prendre un coup the vieux

[@MikePowerUp]

i cant stand the wires coming out the side. jesus christ thats such a simple thing that ruins it for me

[@DavidRevoy]

Yes! with a bit of extra budget, it's possible to find robust USBC cables extension with 90° angle shape and make it looks 10 time better. But I also wonder why they made so many effort on the case, and everything and for the cable, just went with that...😔

[@helios1051]

@@DavidRevoy It may be because they don't manufacture the cables themselves for cost and licences reasons.

[@DavidRevoy]

@@helios1051 Oh, that something I never thought, but it makes a lot of sens. Thank you for this, now it feels obvious.

[@helios1051]

@@DavidRevoy I just checked and my pro 16 charge cable is indeed made by a chinese third party company called XinsPower. It's probably the same for this one :/

[@DavidRevoy]

@@helios1051 Thank you for checking and the info!