Human error eyed in subway train collision, derailment: investigators

[@ceaseceaser9253]

It’s crazy how you don’t see the MTA CEO Janno Lieber apologizing to the commuters, but if it had to do with MTA price increases he would of been there! Sad to show what they really do care about😢

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

Or the mayor!!!!… I think NTSB told Lieber and Adams to sit this one out!!

[@SLOTSRUS-e4x]

My fam who works for them for over 15 years, was injured and they treated him like a criminal

[@vincentperratore4395]

​@@ariesmichaelsayan4013 Well, what of it? Adam's has been sitting everything out up up to now.

[@NickyD]

mta did lie and say this was a minor bump which it wasnt i bet ntsb did

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

@@NickyD yes.. I heard minor bump!! Seems like they didn’t want people to know how bad it was

[@metropod]

point of order: 3:09 Those features are actually in use on the newer train fleets. The cars that crashed are 40 years old, second oldest cars in regular service in the MTA network.

[@mohamad-ms2pb]

A similar accident occured in May 1970. An out of service train collided with an in setvice train as they crossed over a switch. That was near Roosevelt Ave on the E/F line.

[@paulthomasbranda7591]

Thank God it wasn’t an elevated line!!!!

[@captainkeyboard1007]

I remember that aftermath. That collision included an R16 train and an R40M (4503), south of 74 Street, Roosevelt in Jackson Heights. 2 passengers in the R16 car (6304) were killed. I regret more that the 2 passengers were killed more than the R16, 6304, was destroyed.

[@Stanf954]

I remember that incident and what it did to the Queens Corridor. What a mess.

[@ShadeJay]

Amazing how the media points out "human error" but leave out the part where the derailment happened because of the train colliding with a disabled/vandalized train

[@413smr]

The part about the trains colliding is assumed to be understood except by people like you.

[@Ysalomet]

And because of an unruly passenger pulled an emergency brakes but yeah let's just leave that part out too

[@ryanp1111]

My neck my back call an ambulance. I’ll settle out of court for 100 million!!!

[@karateday]

As a former motorman with the NYC Transit, I have witnessed the rushed attempts by management to move disabled equipment in an effort to maintain service levels. Guaranteed that crew was instructed to move that train closer to 96st street in order to move trains behind it into stations. The #1 line has an extremely close headway, and they try to maintain it at all cost, this time to the detriment of passengers and crews.

[@tourravi8420]

Third world problem😌

[@DanTheCaptain]

Sounds like the system is in need of ATC… It’s insane that the NYC Subway doesn’t already have it…

[@karateday]

@@DanTheCaptain no amount off high tech will compensate for inept management with training programs that date back to 1982, and are still used today.

[@jamesdavis6036]

The rules & regulations work just fine if they're followed. In this case they were not.

[@Cinncinnatus]

dont you got kill bar deadman switches if you run a red light? why did the signals even allow both those trains moving that close? I mean isnt like you get out of your cab and flip track crosses and stuff all thats automated isnt it? why tbh doesnt make sense.

[@Ron_Delle]

My biggest concern is that someone was going to see the Nets play!! 😮

[@Ghostthebeatmaker]

There not called nets there called Mets

[@The_D0RK_KNIGHT]

referring to the Brooklyn Nets not Queens Mets @@Ghostthebeatmaker

[@TopBillinSports]

​@@Ghostthebeatmaker- It would be "they're" not "there." I know you know they were talking about the Brooklyn Nets, too, as nobody is goofy enough to think the baseball season has already started and we're not even in the middle of January. SMH

[@ronaldopando769]

This was 100% on management!! All they care about is moving the trains on schedule no matter at what cost. That out of service train was being driven not from the front car but another one behind it so the operator didn’t have a clear view of what’s in front of them. They were being directed by management on radio. These upper management want their employees to break rules and regulations so their trains are on schedule, just to tell you that they tell their train operators and conductors to use the bathroom while the train is moving inside the tunnels instead of taking a proper comfort just to keep the trains moving.

[@TRUMPmyOSHI]

I don’t understand how you’re going to drive a train, not from the front, the drivers cab. Also how to use the bathroom?

[@ShooterInfinity]

@@TRUMPmyOSHI You're saying you don't understand as in how can they have the conscience, or you don't understand as in how does it work? If the latter, engineers have a cab on either end of the train the can move it from. If ronald knows this for a fact he probably works for the MTA and they are all talking about it amongst themselves and are pissed they are getting scapegoated.

[@Statizy]

​@@TRUMPmyOSHI trains are two sets of 5 trains. First set has no brakes. The 2nd set, (6th train from the front) has brakes and is pushing the first set of trains (1-5)

[@pfp359]

@@ShooterInfinity Exactly. They always get scapegoated.

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

@@TRUMPmyOSHIYes, I would think they would send a rescue to pull that train out, but they just want to get that train out asap and stay on schedule.

[@888jerm888]

Did the unruly passenger who caused the first train 🚊 to go out of service get arrested?

[@davidstone408]

As someone who travels on the London Underground - It seems the Operator is asking for the Regulator to put safety requirements into law. This suggests that funding for safety is not forthcoming unless it is legally required. Thankfully, no one was badly hurt or killed in this incident, but it could be far worst.

[@Dragonx0562]

Welcome to dealing with the MTA. City doesn't have the money til it HAS to have the money.

[@BrooklynBound4]

It’s about time! Federal intervention is needed!

[@dmcr9525]

The NTSB always investigates transportation incidents and accidents…..

[@JoanBrown-j3e]

Federal? The Federal government screws up EVERYTHING they touch! Using the government to fix anything would be like using bubble gum to keep Titanic afloat.

[@vincentperratore4395]

Do you mean we should call the marines?

[@shawniehoward]

Wait, I thought you all want less government?

[@ladeshfeyton8405]

Never clear cut. Politicians pocketing money instead of infrastructure update. Do not blame operators, blam the politicians.

[@Grungefan2018]

They’ll find some poor employee to blame this on and not a high level one probably ..

[@dianegreen1937]

Of course.

[@keatonanderson459]

So we just gonna ignore the guy who pulled the emergency brake in the first place. Y’all quick to blame the MTA like the 123 trains isnt one of the busiest rail corridors IN THE WORLD. Pulling the E brake isn’t necessarily a common occurrence….

[@gregburgos900]

This accident happened because they were taking a train out of service that was badly vandalized. That's who fault it is the people that vandalism the train if not this would of never happened.

[@deman2917]

Sort of. If emergency response actions cause more damage than the actual initial event, they do not get excused of all responsibility.

[@wes5150.]

re: 2:28 NYC Transportation President "....as a result it 'BUMPED' into the train"

[@edwinramirez9495]

That’s the real congestion prices that we all are paying unbelievable

[@jkryanspark]

For the first time in decades, I've had to use the NYC subways, and I'm fine with the level of service. Some people are going to complain. It's the nature of the beast, but considering the massive size of the system, I think they're doing a good job. What I like best is the monitors that tell you how many minutes before your train will arrive. The frequency of trains is excellent.

[@TuneStunnaMusic]

Exactly. The crashes are so rare that it’s always going to be sensationalized when it happens. The mta works great whenever I use it!

[@damonsmartin9894]

Thank you.. the daily ruder will always find a reason to complain about service

[@mkhanman12345]

@@damonsmartin9894still needs improvement. G needs more trains.

[@chaxologist2024]

Indeed. Even though they are nowhere near the best nor cleanest in the world, NYC subways are still among the most efficient and interconnected in the world! Only gets bad past midnight up until 4 a.m. from personal experience when work trains cause massive delays.

[@TRUMPmyOSHI]

They should learn from Japanese services. Tokyo and it’s suburbs has not only one transit monopoly but train lines run by different companies. All of these in total are like triple NYC network and can literally run circles around.

[@AutobotsTransform]

We will be paying for MTA’s failures…again.

[@eagertosucceed6004]

Man shut up. You’v paid the tax already whether or not this happened.

[@robertn3232]

the broke down train was being driven from the third car and didnt releaze it passed a red signal and crossed into a on coming train .... problay the repair crew was being rushed to get the broke down train out way to the system didnt fall behind schuele

[@mantan9400]

They should have had a safety conductor in the first car with a radio to tell the driving conductor the coast is clear. Is that too much safety to ask? I still say, do NOT use drugs in your job and make good decisions. Stop tripping.

[@kyronliu5190]

⁠@@mantan9400they literally had a crew of two as the flaggers giving radio commands, idk what you’re on about with drugs when there has been no specific mention of it in this investigation

[@robertn3232]

@@mantan9400 they most diffenently did . they were being rushed to get off the tracks to prevent delays.. they were having problems with releasing the the emergency brakes

[@robertn3232]

@@mantan9400 they probly did there may have been a brake failure being that 4 front cars had no power. probly supervisers were rushing them off the train route

[@SAULITOPRODUCTIONS]

We should focuse investing in MTA. instead of investing in anything else.

[@anthonygallo3576]

How a about thank God no one was killed????? I dint here that

[@randymcneely4983]

So the first thing MTA said was a LIE?

[@greggyd321]

So this whole thing started with an unruly passenger doing something stupid. Typical!

[@digimaks]

How do you possibly end up with such a childish error with two trains running side to side at each other? When a track switch is open - the signal is green, other signal is red! When track switch is closed- the signal light is RED! This means A) one of the operators ignored the red light, or B) the track switches and lights are not depended of each other, where dispatcher has screwed up. In modern rail system you gotta be a pure genious to end up with such a crash.

[@billsmith2212]

Check ALL involved for alcohol , drugs, medication , etc. Get that out of the way FIRST .

[@rickho69a]

COVER UP! There are AUTOMATIC Break/STOP features on the TRACKS to Stop a train from GOING ON the RED SIGNAL/Light......

[@DJCharlieB]

Interesting

[@victorc2786]

That is true but since the lite train had it's first 5 cars sectionalized of power and Brakes,no matter what trip device got hit on those 5 cars won't activate the brakes.

[@DJCharlieB]

@@victorc2786what is the MTA rule pertaining to that? What’s the speed associated with cutting out those brakes?

[@LuisRamos-ft4ck]

Mta takes our money and never fix the problems

[@amrila9716]

MTA IS LYING, it not human Error, it was the Automated towers at location. MTA is always blaming Humans for Mechanical failures. 😢

[@parsahasselhoff7986]

Still safer than driving.

[@debralavorata546]

Somehow im not to surprised it's human error, I'd be surprised if it wasn't

[@yarahgil7452]

Hola

[@debralavorata546]

@@yarahgil7452 write in inglese English

[@Classic7-4-7]

I was really expecting it to be someone being under the influence

[@debralavorata546]

​@@Classic7-4-7I wouldn't be surprised,the media holds secrets too🤫

[@latinaqueenie6914]

What MTA Accident happened 37 days ago? Where NTSB get that info??

[@metropod]

the constructon flagger who got dragged and killed by a D train back around thanksgiving.

[@R323838]

J train Derailment

[@Xshortfordogman]

Management be quick to throw the workers under the bus or in this case train

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

Ishmael could have easily walked to the B/C 🙄

[@kaiedwards8933]

😂

[@geniferteal4178]

I'm not sure the news got the story right. What they say doesn't make sense.

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

Dang, things like this never happen whenever I visit NYC and take the subway.

[@JoeDuckett-y8u]

Each call weighs 10000 lb takes 10,000 amps. Add the weight coincide with the speed. Red light. And the t arm activate all the braking systems in each car it's time to redesign the emergency braking system the conductor will see example when emergency brake is pulled the conductor will see what car is pulled in and acetate right and then stops the train. If train passes r red light light all braking systems will stop . The train.

[@Tony_01989]

I work on 110th and broadway two stops from there and I’m lucky I was almost in that train after work. And I pray for the injured people to recover and the MTA drivers need to be charged and if you see A red signal obviously stop the train. And I now walk from 137 city college to 110th and after work I walk to 137st and take the 1 train straight uptown back home

[@Ryan-he2qz]

Remove MTA as operator …. Retrain all personnel fired all chairman and CEO and hired a good engineer from europe and japan as one of the best operators and innovators in rail system. And they are always on time no delays no late. This kind of management puts down newyork city to the map puts down the american innovation.

[@rothn2]

Seems like these probably need to be automated

[@jquint321]

How much longer until someone seriously gets hurt by the MTA's faultiness.

[@413smr]

"faultiness"? I learned a new word today.

[@FORBIDCharlie1986]

Very long since this rarely happens, Einstein.

[@jefflewis9590]

How is it. Rare when they had a similar incident 37days ago​@@FORBIDCharlie1986

[@jquint321]

@@413smr it’s an actual word in dictionary!

[@Lemon-zw7cb]

bring byford back now

[@bethbudner51]

Hey, at least the MTA investigators figured out what went wrong (i.e. Human error) to prevent this from happening again. Beth Budner, Auburndale, MA!

[@HarrisonPeloso]

Not even a few days into New Years and New York is already causing issues

[@paul_allen_]

So much money is squandered in the MTA, the whole agency needs a top to bottom overhaul and audit. New Yorkers are tired of terrible service and filthy trains while people at the top along with their contractor friends line their own pockets with taxpayer funds.

[@everythinghondapro5548]

The only thing MTA care is about increasing fare

[@RantRantJoe]

Why do you think their budget has ballooned to an astronomical amount? To cover all their endless mistakes...

[@BeyondDestiny]

This is the most ignorant thing to say

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

​@@BeyondDestinyHe's not wrong tho

[@aaronf80m394]

It’s a group of teens who go around breaking into the control rooms on trains pulling emergency breaks there needs to be more police in the control area of train cars. This was prolly the same group of teens who did this.

[@anadiaz3928]

You do know those emergency brakes can be pulled by passengers, right? It's a cord dangling by the corner of each train car of these old 1 trains. Looks like a uvula😅

[@Dezlite]

@@anadiaz3928 still, those teens are a problem. They break into the cabs of the trains and mess around with the intercom

[@nghtwtchr9]

So they’re just going to skip over the “unruly” passenger who started it all! People’s behaviors in public are getting our of control.

[@AaronMohammed-v6v]

MTA SERVICE BUSES MTA is OK And provided

[@markhellman-pn3hn]

there's ALWAYS time to fix mistakes - but NEVER enough time to get it right the FIRST time !! .... (ironic) (this is what happens when you have jack asses sitting behind a desk) !!

[@hernandez1590_]

Bye bye America

[@billjoang]

Anything on the person that set this whole situation up by pulling emergency brake cords ??

[@kpdvw]

"cutting the brakes"? What criminal nonsense is that? NEVER on a train on an in service active track where another train has operating right of way! Some heads need to roll here...!!

[@DOLRED]

An unruly passenger pulls the emergency brake starting this mess but the MTA gets blamed for the accident. OK.

[@gta4everrr]

What a great start to the new year for the MTA!

[@TSgotstolengoddamm]

this could've been easily avoided if that train that was switching tracks was just rerouted due to a problem and with proper communication between management and train crew this is easily avoidable. this accident is just pure negligence on communiction on management and signaller sides.

[@sirojajam55]

Putting entire MTA under a microscope IS LONG OVERDUE. Do you know that some drivers of MTA buses are aggravated abusers of customers? I saw bus running away from the stop with still open doors just to deny a customer to get on it. There is a certain driver where I live who is always starting his route randomly between 5 to 10 minutes early from his scheduled departing time. It prevents those customers who live at the beginning of the route from catching his bus just because he is a complete sociopath who finds his joy seemingly only if he makes customers suffer. He does that for at least last 10 years, probably just waiting on his retirement to get his full pension with benefits from his union. I know those people aren't only in MTA, there are same kind of people probably in every field. It's scary that people who work in service and suppose to put the interests of customers as their priority are allowed instead to regularly put people lives at risk just due to their whimsical arbitrary intention to harm another human being.

[@MrDXRamirez]

Human failure happens when rank and file workers do not fight to keep their workday within natural limits. Keep the bosses out of your workday. Bosses are relentlessly quantifying work at the expense of the quality of work and the Public is endangered. Its all about the numbers to them. But workers take it lying down is a problem. Poor leadership, ignorance or cowardice, I am not sure which is responsible. I do know doing nothing is the most undesirable outcome for workers, not fighting back is your death knell. Overwork rather than real, quality work, will kill you sooner than you need to die! On the other hand, a normal workday and quality work resulting from that workday will increase longevity and you will live to see how your future turns out.

[@GeneralHawk505]

Its all about their benefits and money. Both sides are at wrong fault.

[@robertolallave1541]

Very well said 👏

[@joedynokiano3333]

Call it w.e you wanna call it . A law suit is a law suit . Enjoy that $2.90 your gonna need it .

[@mariekatherine5238]

It seems to me the main fault is the unruly passenger who pulled the emergency brake without proper cause. Why not find that person and give a suitable consequence? Was it a kid? Someone impaired by drugs or alcohol? Don’t blame the MTA for someone being a jerk. The MTA perhaps didn’t handle the situation properly. If that’s the case, find out what went wrong and fix it. If someone is blameworthy, give a just consequence. The passenger might be banned from subway use for a time, or permitted only in a certain seat for work/school. MTA employees at fault could receive anything from demotion, docked pay, or retraining. Perhaps a system wide protocol needs to be implemented. Injured passengers who need it should be reimbursed for medical expenses and earnings from missed work. All should be thankful nothing worse came of the incident.

[@funnymoments224]

It seems to me the mta blaming someone about pulling emergency brake, the how a system works they don’t want to take accountability’s seems t like they mess up to me

[@shauntakata1762]

It's not about that. It's about moving a disabled train that doesn't have brakes in the lead car without following proper procedures.

[@supertrains156.66]

I hope all passengers are safe and hope the trains can be repearable

[@captainfantastic9158]

We'll be paying $3.25 because of this next year. 💸💸💸💸💸

[@goldie260]

Well the tss the t/o & rcc will all be looked at very closely when they write there g2's

[@Society2day]

In the years it's been open. They went from an elevated to a subway. They need to rip out the old.(track,signal,station,lighting,walls, signage,machinery, sewage, electrical) and in with a clean strait, quiet, well lit, and easy to use all underground bus network. A network that would run underground and use only bus type trams with rubber wheels like Montreal. That would be a fresh idea. New Yorkers would kick for this and the tracks would double as citybus path as well as train.

[@feinchie7]

japan plane crash, indonesia train collision, nyc subways derailment 3 human errors in 2024

[@geniferteal4178]

Let's hate on self driving cars. Lol sure they have problems now. Once sorted. People driving cars will be the road hazard.

[@trevorgwelch7412]

" There is two sides to this story - then there is the truth " Have you noticed buses like running red lights ? Train drivers are usually under rested and day dreaming

[@juniors2sexy]

Why don’t u pay for a cab to get around the city instead of complaining atleast ur Alive

[@codeman5507]

Sad we got the 3rd world country like train system.

[@TRUMPmyOSHI]

😅

[@Crazy-Clown-In-Town]

Your country doesn’t deserve to have nice things cuz people are slobs and uncivilized. European and Asian countries are way ahead of the U.S. when it comes to modern transportations. Tokyo subway is the best in the world when it comes efficiency, cleanliness and politeness. Excellent for a city of more than 14 million people with 8 million ridership each day.

[@melvinalucas5103]

So it wasn't the passenger trains fault it's the MTA fault yes human Era on the city's part the system is over 100 yrs old

[@Ghostthebeatmaker]

2:54 sorry but you can’t fix stupid… as stupid is stupid do! ~forest Gump~

[@mrcalicowest3370]

all lies. not human error.... just faulty wreckless service

[@StevenSanchez_95]

Whose the unruly passenger who pulled the emergency brake?

[@zoidlloyd7736]

U know I read about something like this inna newspaper back in high school ok fine teacher read it hmm the very n a train still coming from behind n hits it so scary the shock. Huh wut girth still a derailment ? Man

[@Pagan-ij3lp]

Protect the workers…

[@shadic6892]

All i wanna know is the driving the train that crashed into the other, didnt the operator saw the train ahead of them to stop???

[@isaidwhatIsaid86]

@1:50 “Because I don’t think I have a lot of options outside of the trains” - Meanwhile there’s yellow cabs, green cabs, gypsy cabs, Uber, Lyft, Citi Bikes, MTA buses… 😂😂😂

[@rafsanAhmed93]

One thing u can't expect MTA to do on thing right. Corruption is literally written. All over them

[@HomeAutoBuddy]

How young and/or new was the drivers at each train and in the command center?

[@biggabettabadda]

Congestion tax gonna deff help MTA said nobody

[@ChrisFisher-hz5cy]

No cameras on some equipment? Interesting. Here in Chicago, even our 2600-series cars(1981-1987) and 3200-series cars(1991-1993) were equipped with forward and inward facing cameras as of about 10 yrs ago

[@trainrover]

what must've happened thereabouts 37 days beforehand?

[@djdogstar7385]

Cyberattack?

[@wack8589]

RCC, TSS, TRAIN OPERATOR

[@oscarlebron9088]

If long distance trains like Amtrak are required cameras in the engineer’s cabs, why not the NYC subways?

[@sengo2146]

Sure! $4.00 fare.

[@juanagudelo409]

I smell lawsuits.

[@GeneReynolds-xc6ws]

Professor Chaos & General Disarray strike again in NYC 😅😂😂😅

[@BK_718]

Gotta love the 1940s signal technology coupled with old 1980s subway car fleet such as the R-62s & human errors & primitive passengers & it’s a recipe for disaster

[@blakemcnamara9105]

That's got nothing to do with it. They were running a blind train. That's just irresponsible.

[@BK_718]

@@blakemcnamara9105 yeah but my points are still that the nyc subway system is extremely shambolic & ancient

[@AaronMohammed-v6v]

JOE is My FRIEND OK

[@beaviskornholio2754]

So if this was on the 1 and 2 lines why was the q train affected since it goes to east 96 street.

[@ChegMr]

Working as a train driver is hard work, don't forget that, and generally working in the MTA too, any job.

[@tynishiastewart830]

Train Operator not driver

[@NotAJosh]

What’s not typical is a city the size of NYC have such a deplorable subway system 🤷‍♂️. And in Chicago the union said the driver that caused a crash wasn’t experienced with 5 years on the job!

[@anthonygallo3576]

Poor ishmeal, he was late for his basketball game. Walk a few blocks over to the lex line. He doesn't have more transportation options????? Buy a car.. take a dam cab or an uber....I swear , when the news is looking for people to interview they sure pick the cream of the crop.

[@jamesdavis6036]

The term is called "Other than head end operation". The flagging motorman flags the operating motorman by radio. The flagger is his eyes. This is perfectly legal. One rule that might have been broken. For every 1 car you have no brakes, you MUST have 2 cars with working brakes. I'm hearing this was a 10 car train. If 5 cars had no brakes this car SHOULD NOT have left the yard. That explains why it didn't stop & slid into the other train. One more thing. On a move like this there MUST be supervisors on board to facilitate the move. I'm sure they were & they will be held responsible!

[@tynishiastewart830]

You’re definitely apart of transit with this explanation. My instructor in School Car explained it the same exact way to us.

[@jamesdavis6036]

@@tynishiastewart830 Also if it was a communication failure, the supervisor who was operating the train was supposed to stop if he failed to hear CONTINUOUS flagging instructions from the flagging motorman.

[@tynishiastewart830]

I just feel bad that the TSS might be the only one losing out on his pension. I don’t feel it should fall all on him alone.

[@jamesdavis6036]

Absolutely! Hopefully at worst he will be demoted. At least he will keep his pension. That's what used to happen.

[@tannermurray420]

the mta always says human error because it's easy to blame the drivers, but if the safety systems were working properly, the emergency brake on one of the trains should have been been triggered by the switch when they got too close, right?

[@allenmondesir]

Unacceptable

[@Sixfigures33087]

Few days after new year the locomotive operator was probably still drunk from the holidays.

[@Jaytothe_air]

That person who pulled the breaks is the culprit

[@MaxwellHernandez-vo9wc]

in new york city?

[@carrera2320]

YET THEY WANNA CHARGE COMGESTING PRICE TO PAY FOR ERRORS LIKE THIS?

[@Cinncinnatus]

how is there even any human error dont those tracks have those kill bar switches that kill the power to the sub if it runs a red light? how were those trains even moving that close to each other. signals shoulda even allowed it to happen, or did they remove that whole system?

[@mantan9400]

They are lying. That does not look like an innocent bump or fender-bender-type accident. I can clearly see thick structural steel bent, broken, twisted, deformed, etc.

[@eobardthawne324]

They aren't lying. They had already said the train had undergone damage which is why it was taken out of service.