Human error eyed in subway train collision, derailment: investigators

Anthony Carlo has more on the investigation into the partial train derailment.
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[@ceaseceaser9253]

It’s crazy how you don’t see the MTA CEO Janno Lieber apologizing to the commuters, but if it had to do with MTA price increases he would of been there! Sad to show what they really do care about😢

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

Or the mayor!!!!… I think NTSB told Lieber and Adams to sit this one out!!

[@user-oo2rb5pv7v]

My fam who works for them for over 15 years, was injured and they treated him like a criminal

[@vincentperratore4395]

​@@ariesmichaelsayan4013 Well, what of it? Adam's has been sitting everything out up up to now.

[@NickyD]

mta did lie and say this was a minor bump which it wasnt i bet ntsb did

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

@@NickyD yes.. I heard minor bump!! Seems like they didn’t want people to know how bad it was

[@metropod]

point of order: 3:09 Those features are actually in use on the newer train fleets. The cars that crashed are 40 years old, second oldest cars in regular service in the MTA network.

[@ryanp1111]

My neck my back call an ambulance. I’ll settle out of court for 100 million!!!

[@ShadeJay]

Amazing how the media points out "human error" but leave out the part where the derailment happened because of the train colliding with a disabled/vandalized train

[@413smr]

The part about the trains colliding is assumed to be understood except by people like you.

[@Ysalomet]

And because of an unruly passenger pulled an emergency brakes but yeah let's just leave that part out too

[@Ron_Delle]

My biggest concern is that someone was going to see the Nets play!! 😮

[@Ghostthebeatmaker]

There not called nets there called Mets

[@The_D0RK_KNIGHT]

referring to the Brooklyn Nets not Queens Mets @@Ghostthebeatmaker

[@TopBillinSports]

​@@Ghostthebeatmaker- It would be "they're" not "there." I know you know they were talking about the Brooklyn Nets, too, as nobody is goofy enough to think the baseball season has already started and we're not even in the middle of January. SMH

[@mohamad-ms2pb]

A similar accident occured in May 1970. An out of service train collided with an in setvice train as they crossed over a switch. That was near Roosevelt Ave on the E/F line.

[@paulthomasbranda7591]

Thank God it wasn’t an elevated line!!!!

[@BeelySalasBlair-uy5wn]

Thank you.

[@captainkeyboard1007]

I remember that aftermath. That collision included an R16 train and an R40M (4503), south of 74 Street, Roosevelt in Jackson Heights. 2 passengers in the R16 car (6304) were killed. I regret more that the 2 passengers were killed more than the R16, 6304, was destroyed.

[@Stanf954]

I remember that incident and what it did to the Queens Corridor. What a mess.

[@888jerm888]

Did the unruly passenger who caused the first train 🚊 to go out of service get arrested?

[@karateday]

As a former motorman with the NYC Transit, I have witnessed the rushed attempts by management to move disabled equipment in an effort to maintain service levels. Guaranteed that crew was instructed to move that train closer to 96st street in order to move trains behind it into stations. The #1 line has an extremely close headway, and they try to maintain it at all cost, this time to the detriment of passengers and crews.

[@Destineebedoya]

96 street

[@tourravi8420]

Third world problem😌

[@DanTheCaptain]

Sounds like the system is in need of ATC… It’s insane that the NYC Subway doesn’t already have it…

[@karateday]

@@DanTheCaptain no amount off high tech will compensate for inept management with training programs that date back to 1982, and are still used today.

[@jamesdavis6036]

The rules & regulations work just fine if they're followed. In this case they were not.

[@davidstone408]

As someone who travels on the London Underground - It seems the Operator is asking for the Regulator to put safety requirements into law. This suggests that funding for safety is not forthcoming unless it is legally required. Thankfully, no one was badly hurt or killed in this incident, but it could be far worst.

[@Dragonx0562]

Welcome to dealing with the MTA. City doesn't have the money til it HAS to have the money.

[@ronaldopando769]

This was 100% on management!! All they care about is moving the trains on schedule no matter at what cost. That out of service train was being driven not from the front car but another one behind it so the operator didn’t have a clear view of what’s in front of them. They were being directed by management on radio. These upper management want their employees to break rules and regulations so their trains are on schedule, just to tell you that they tell their train operators and conductors to use the bathroom while the train is moving inside the tunnels instead of taking a proper comfort just to keep the trains moving.

[@TRUMPmyOSHI]

I don’t understand how you’re going to drive a train, not from the front, the drivers cab. Also how to use the bathroom?

[@ShooterInfinity]

@@TRUMPmyOSHI You're saying you don't understand as in how can they have the conscience, or you don't understand as in how does it work? If the latter, engineers have a cab on either end of the train the can move it from. If ronald knows this for a fact he probably works for the MTA and they are all talking about it amongst themselves and are pissed they are getting scapegoated.

[@DDScomps]

​@@TRUMPmyOSHI trains are two sets of 5 trains. First set has no brakes. The 2nd set, (6th train from the front) has brakes and is pushing the first set of trains (1-5)

[@pfp359]

@@ShooterInfinity Exactly. They always get scapegoated.

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

@@TRUMPmyOSHIYes, I would think they would send a rescue to pull that train out, but they just want to get that train out asap and stay on schedule.

[@BeelySalasBlair-uy5wn]

Thank you for the segment.

[@Grungefan2018]

They’ll find some poor employee to blame this on and not a high level one probably ..

[@dianegreen1937]

Of course.

[@BrooklynBound4]

It’s about time! Federal intervention is needed!

[@dmcr9525]

The NTSB always investigates transportation incidents and accidents…..

[@user-jc8rz2jj9r]

Federal? The Federal government screws up EVERYTHING they touch! Using the government to fix anything would be like using bubble gum to keep Titanic afloat.

[@vincentperratore4395]

Do you mean we should call the marines?

[@shawniehoward]

Wait, I thought you all want less government?

[@edwinramirez9495]

That’s the real congestion prices that we all are paying unbelievable

[@juniors2sexy]

Dude really worried about a nets game

[@Tony_01989]

I work on 110th and broadway two stops from there and I’m lucky I was almost in that train after work. And I pray for the injured people to recover and the MTA drivers need to be charged and if you see A red signal obviously stop the train. And I now walk from 137 city college to 110th and after work I walk to 137st and take the 1 train straight uptown back home

[@jkryanspark]

For the first time in decades, I've had to use the NYC subways, and I'm fine with the level of service. Some people are going to complain. It's the nature of the beast, but considering the massive size of the system, I think they're doing a good job. What I like best is the monitors that tell you how many minutes before your train will arrive. The frequency of trains is excellent.

[@TuneStunnaMusic]

Exactly. The crashes are so rare that it’s always going to be sensationalized when it happens. The mta works great whenever I use it!

[@damonsmartin9894]

Thank you.. the daily ruder will always find a reason to complain about service

[@mkhanman12345]

@@damonsmartin9894still needs improvement. G needs more trains.

[@chaxologist2961]

Indeed. Even though they are nowhere near the best nor cleanest in the world, NYC subways are still among the most efficient and interconnected in the world! Only gets bad past midnight up until 4 a.m. from personal experience when work trains cause massive delays.

[@TRUMPmyOSHI]

They should learn from Japanese services. Tokyo and it’s suburbs has not only one transit monopoly but train lines run by different companies. All of these in total are like triple NYC network and can literally run circles around.

[@AutobotsTransform]

We will be paying for MTA’s failures…again.

[@eagertosucceed6004]

Man shut up. You’v paid the tax already whether or not this happened.

[@bethbudner50]

Hey, at least the MTA investigators figured out what went wrong (i.e. Human error) to prevent this from happening again. Beth Budner, Auburndale, MA!

[@robertn3232]

the broke down train was being driven from the third car and didnt releaze it passed a red signal and crossed into a on coming train .... problay the repair crew was being rushed to get the broke down train out way to the system didnt fall behind schuele

[@mantan9400]

They should have had a safety conductor in the first car with a radio to tell the driving conductor the coast is clear. Is that too much safety to ask? I still say, do NOT use drugs in your job and make good decisions. Stop tripping.

[@kyronliu5190]

⁠@@mantan9400they literally had a crew of two as the flaggers giving radio commands, idk what you’re on about with drugs when there has been no specific mention of it in this investigation

[@robertn3232]

@@mantan9400 they most diffenently did . they were being rushed to get off the tracks to prevent delays.. they were having problems with releasing the the emergency brakes

[@robertn3232]

@@mantan9400 they probly did there may have been a brake failure being that 4 front cars had no power. probly supervisers were rushing them off the train route

[@supertrains156.66]

I hope all passengers are safe and hope the trains can be repearable

[@gregburgos900]

This accident happened because they were taking a train out of service that was badly vandalized. That's who fault it is the people that vandalism the train if not this would of never happened.

[@deman2917]

Sort of. If emergency response actions cause more damage than the actual initial event, they do not get excused of all responsibility.

[@sexoffendertrump]

No excuse for not having a spotter up front and constant updates to near by trains in proximity to yeild to disabled train regardless of signal light for this very reason.

[@SAULITOPRODUCTIONS]

We should focuse investing in MTA. instead of investing in anything else.

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

Dang, things like this never happen whenever I visit NYC and take the subway.

[@latinaqueenie6914]

What MTA Accident happened 37 days ago? Where NTSB get that info??

[@metropod]

the constructon flagger who got dragged and killed by a D train back around thanksgiving.

[@R323838]

J train Derailment

[@randymcneely4983]

So the first thing MTA said was a LIE?

[@HarrisonPeloso]

Not even a few days into New Years and New York is already causing issues

[@ariesmichaelsayan4013]

Ishmael could have easily walked to the B/C 🙄

[@kaiedwards8933]

😂

[@debralavorata546]

Somehow im not to surprised it's human error, I'd be surprised if it wasn't

[@yarahgil7452]

Hola

[@debralavorata546]

@@yarahgil7452 write in inglese English

[@Classic7-4-7]

I was really expecting it to be someone being under the influence

[@debralavorata546]

​@@Classic7-4-7I wouldn't be surprised,the media holds secrets too🤫

[@HomeAutoBuddy]

How young and/or new was the drivers at each train and in the command center?

[@digimaks]

How do you possibly end up with such a childish error with two trains running side to side at each other? When a track switch is open - the signal is green, other signal is red! When track switch is closed- the signal light is RED! This means A) one of the operators ignored the red light, or B) the track switches and lights are not depended of each other, where dispatcher has screwed up. In modern rail system you gotta be a pure genious to end up with such a crash.

[@gta4everrr]

What a great start to the new year for the MTA!

[@jquint321]

How much longer until someone seriously gets hurt by the MTA's faultiness.

[@413smr]

"faultiness"? I learned a new word today.

[@FORBIDCharlie1986]

Very long since this rarely happens, Einstein.

[@jefflewis9590]

How is it. Rare when they had a similar incident 37days ago​@@FORBIDCharlie1986

[@jquint321]

@@413smr it’s an actual word in dictionary!

[@Xshortfordogman]

Management be quick to throw the workers under the bus or in this case train

[@ChrisFisher-hz5cy]

No cameras on some equipment? Interesting. Here in Chicago, even our 2600-series cars(1981-1987) and 3200-series cars(1991-1993) were equipped with forward and inward facing cameras as of about 10 yrs ago

[@billyevans4929]

1:55 This guy is probably the root cause of all this. He needs to be held accountable

[@geniferteal4178]

I'm not sure the news got the story right. What they say doesn't make sense.

[@keatonanderson459]

So we just gonna ignore the guy who pulled the emergency brake in the first place. Y’all quick to blame the MTA like the 123 trains isnt one of the busiest rail corridors IN THE WORLD. Pulling the E brake isn’t necessarily a common occurrence….

[@RebekahEhrlich]

There are too many people riding the trains and not paying. This is what causes this problem. The root is fare evasion,.

[@greggyd321]

So this whole thing started with an unruly passenger doing something stupid. Typical!

[@billjoang]

Anything on the person that set this whole situation up by pulling emergency brake cords ??

[@allenmondesir]

Unacceptable

[@rickho69a]

COVER UP! There are AUTOMATIC Break/STOP features on the TRACKS to Stop a train from GOING ON the RED SIGNAL/Light......

[@DJCharlieB]

Interesting

[@victorc2786]

That is true but since the lite train had it's first 5 cars sectionalized of power and Brakes,no matter what trip device got hit on those 5 cars won't activate the brakes.

[@DJCharlieB]

@@victorc2786what is the MTA rule pertaining to that? What’s the speed associated with cutting out those brakes?

[@trainrover]

what must've happened thereabouts 37 days beforehand?

[@user-ht8dq7sb5x]

Each call weighs 10000 lb takes 10,000 amps. Add the weight coincide with the speed. Red light. And the t arm activate all the braking systems in each car it's time to redesign the emergency braking system the conductor will see example when emergency brake is pulled the conductor will see what car is pulled in and acetate right and then stops the train. If train passes r red light light all braking systems will stop . The train.

[@andre69258]

I'm not surprised

[@wack8589]

RCC, TSS, TRAIN OPERATOR

[@oscarlebron9088]

If long distance trains like Amtrak are required cameras in the engineer’s cabs, why not the NYC subways?

[@sengo2146]

Sure! $4.00 fare.

[@beaviskornholio2754]

So if this was on the 1 and 2 lines why was the q train affected since it goes to east 96 street.

[@jayborn3468]

That was me Hennessy was coursing through my veins

[@LuisRamos-ft4ck]

Mta takes our money and never fix the problems

[@wes5150.]

re: 2:28 NYC Transportation President "....as a result it 'BUMPED' into the train"

[@paul_allen_]

So much money is squandered in the MTA, the whole agency needs a top to bottom overhaul and audit. New Yorkers are tired of terrible service and filthy trains while people at the top along with their contractor friends line their own pockets with taxpayer funds.

[@TSgotstolengoddamm]

this could've been easily avoided if that train that was switching tracks was just rerouted due to a problem and with proper communication between management and train crew this is easily avoidable. this accident is just pure negligence on communiction on management and signaller sides.

[@shadic6892]

All i wanna know is the driving the train that crashed into the other, didnt the operator saw the train ahead of them to stop???

[@LindaRobertsCallsScammers]

The recurring incidents of subway trains derailing in New York City prompt a complex examination of several contributing factors. Aging infrastructure, insufficient maintenance, and delayed upgrades are key elements that collectively strain the reliability of the subway system. The extensive network of tracks and tunnels, some dating back to the early 20th century, faces wear and tear that demands consistent upkeep. Budgetary constraints and bureaucratic hurdles often impede timely repairs and modernization efforts, exacerbating the risk of derailments. Furthermore, the sheer volume of daily commuters places an immense burden on the aging system, leading to accelerated deterioration. A comprehensive and urgent approach is required to address these challenges, involving increased investment in infrastructure, streamlined maintenance processes, and a commitment to prioritize passenger safety. As the city grapples with these recurrent incidents, a concerted effort from both government authorities and transit agencies becomes paramount to ensuring the long-term viability and safety of the subway system in New York City.

[@anthonygallo3576]

How a about thank God no one was killed????? I dint here that

[@projectnerdvana2820]

Texting and driving trains now? 😂😂😂 oh my beloved NYC...

[@goldie260]

Well the tss the t/o & rcc will all be looked at very closely when they write there g2's

[@Society2day]

In the years it's been open. They went from an elevated to a subway. They need to rip out the old.(track,signal,station,lighting,walls, signage,machinery, sewage, electrical) and in with a clean strait, quiet, well lit, and easy to use all underground bus network. A network that would run underground and use only bus type trams with rubber wheels like Montreal. That would be a fresh idea. New Yorkers would kick for this and the tracks would double as citybus path as well as train.

[@billsmith2212]

Check ALL involved for alcohol , drugs, medication , etc. Get that out of the way FIRST .

[@youngdotzzz5189]

BART out here in the Bay Area derailed last week

[@Pagan-ij3lp]

Protect the workers…

[@DOLRED]

An unruly passenger pulls the emergency brake starting this mess but the MTA gets blamed for the accident. OK.

[@StevenSanchez_95]

Whose the unruly passenger who pulled the emergency brake?

[@Sixfigures33087]

Few days after new year the locomotive operator was probably still drunk from the holidays.

[@kpdvw]

"cutting the brakes"? What criminal nonsense is that? NEVER on a train on an in service active track where another train has operating right of way! Some heads need to roll here...!!

Hopefully subway service will be restored by this afternoon.

[@everythinghondapro5548]

The only thing MTA care is about increasing fare

[@RantRantJoe]

Why do you think their budget has ballooned to an astronomical amount? To cover all their endless mistakes...

[@BeyondDestiny]

This is the most ignorant thing to say

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

​@@BeyondDestinyHe's not wrong tho

[@NotAJosh]

What’s not typical is a city the size of NYC have such a deplorable subway system 🤷‍♂️. And in Chicago the union said the driver that caused a crash wasn’t experienced with 5 years on the job!

[@ladeshfeyton8405]

Never clear cut. Politicians pocketing money instead of infrastructure update. Do not blame operators, blam the politicians.

[@parsahasselhoff7986]

Still safer than driving.

[@amrila9716]

MTA IS LYING, it not human Error, it was the Automated towers at location. MTA is always blaming Humans for Mechanical failures. 😢

[@willschwartfeger2049]

The mta got to fully close and upgrade each line(track, rolling stock and station) at a time or stuff like this will continue to happen.

[@MEOWMIX305]

what a shocker....=/

[@aaronf80m394]

It’s a group of teens who go around breaking into the control rooms on trains pulling emergency breaks there needs to be more police in the control area of train cars. This was prolly the same group of teens who did this.

[@anadiaz3928]

You do know those emergency brakes can be pulled by passengers, right? It's a cord dangling by the corner of each train car of these old 1 trains. Looks like a uvula😅

[@Dezlite]

@@anadiaz3928 still, those teens are a problem. They break into the cabs of the trains and mess around with the intercom

[@lisabrightly]

Who's the jackass that pulled the emergency brakes?!

[@philnaegely]

This is why PTC is law of the land

[@BK_718]

Gotta love the 1940s signal technology coupled with old 1980s subway car fleet such as the R-62s & human errors & primitive passengers & it’s a recipe for disaster

[@blakemcnamara9105]

That's got nothing to do with it. They were running a blind train. That's just irresponsible.

[@BK_718]

@@blakemcnamara9105 yeah but my points are still that the nyc subway system is extremely shambolic & ancient

[@nghtwtchr9]

So they’re just going to skip over the “unruly” passenger who started it all! People’s behaviors in public are getting our of control.

[@sionapink1560]

Great entry to start the new year with, god damn ! I ride that train 😢

[@vincentperratore4395]

Why blame Him! We should watch how we use His Holy Name!

[@GeneReynolds-xc6ws]

Professor Chaos & General Disarray strike again in NYC 😅😂😂😅

[@user-bg1cv4ii6s]

U better start buying the electric vehicles they are selling for 75 grand... I'm just glad there were no serious injuries.

[@ChegMr]

Working as a train driver is hard work, don't forget that, and generally working in the MTA too, any job.

[@tynishiastewart830]

Train Operator not driver

[@sloppydog4375]

You can bet shit is gonna roll down hill on this one ..

[@Letsgetmad36]

But they want to raise fare…..

[@rothn2]

Seems like these probably need to be automated

[@zoidlloyd7736]

U know I read about something like this inna newspaper back in high school ok fine teacher read it hmm the very n a train still coming from behind n hits it so scary the shock. Huh wut girth still a derailment ? Man

[@user-zx2ep7mx4y]

I hope they find the human who activated the emergency brake and arrest them for causing that damage to the trains

[@topz8196]

japan plane crash, indonesia train collision, nyc subways derailment 3 human errors in 2024

[@geniferteal4178]

Let's hate on self driving cars. Lol sure they have problems now. Once sorted. People driving cars will be the road hazard.

[@theofficial1train]

Rip

[@JuanJDumeP]

Time to rewrite that 1930s computer code. We are talking about a multi-billion dollar a year COMPANY by the way....

[@YuDoThat101]

That heart on the side was the reason someone said

[@Lemon-zw7cb]

bring byford back now

[@juanagudelo409]

I smell lawsuits.

[@laveryadvocacy6349]

A trainwreck in MANY ways...

[@melvinalucas5103]

So it wasn't the passenger trains fault it's the MTA fault yes human Era on the city's part the system is over 100 yrs old

[@trevorwhitham6742]

Do trains have black boxes?

[@Aim2jig]

How nobody came out in a ambulance..sweet lawsuit