HUNGARY FOR DESTRUCTION - Turan III in War Thunder

[@OddBawZ]

If you're HUNGARY for some Golden Eagles, use my link! :) store.gaijin.net/catalog.php?category=WarThunder&partner=Oddbawz&partner_val=2bpa5qx4

[@berendhuibers600]

Hi

[@essence_fr]

I hate this joke as a passionate hungarian 😂

[@19crf230]

Odd play the amx13 please

[@sebulbableves]

Same@@essence_fr

[@エンギ-c3y]

There is no number that can represent the amount of times I've heard this joke as a hungarian

[@KacsaXX]

OddbawZ is the only person i appriciate even after making the "hungary" joke

[@sushmitriyanbasuli6889]

Is it because you were HUNGARY for some oddbawz shenanigans?

[@bertschi7]

Same but also because he enjouys the joke as much as me himself (:

[@sumiterxeroslargosiuscrosi7819]

Wow.

[@moxxie_gaming5891]

Same

[@JD940]

+dollarplays

[@Player-st4hn]

It's great that finally more people will find out about Hungarian tanks. They are so rarely talked about or mentioned, it's great to see them being popularised in WT.

[@nadmanganianpotasu8109]

more appropiate would be to call them Czech, or at least mention that they branched out of the czech designs (bcs of course Zrinyi while using Turan's suspension is pretty much a hugarian tank at this point)

[@jeremeymcdude]

There's also the original Turan they came out with but it has the sadge chode 75

[@victory7999]

@@nadmanganianpotasu8109 No it wouldn't, Hungarian tanks are *Hungarian* tanks, not Czech ones. The Csaba, Toldi tanks, Nimrod, Straussler V4, 44M Tas, Toldi Pancelvadasz and Zrinyi tanks are all obviously Hungarian and have nothing to do with the Czechs. Just because the original 40M Turan I medium tank was based on the incomplete Skoda T-21 prototype (that the Hungarians finished btw), but then of course made loads of changes to it, doesn't mean that the Turan I is Czech, and the Turan III is definitely not Czech as it is a very heavily upgraded and modified Turan I. The Turan tanks were designed by Hungary, produced by Hungary, and used by Hungary. Stop trying to steal credit for them. What you're trying to do is like saying all tanks are French because they all based their turrets on the original Renault FT-17's turret, or like saying all Italian WW2 tanks are British because they all took heavy inspiration and suspension designs from British interwar tanks, or like saying the Soviet T-26 and Polish 7TP are both British because they used the Vickers 6 ton as their basis. In fact the Japanese heavies were also developed using British interwar heavies as their basis, yet I've never heard people trying to discredit these as British tanks. Might I mention that every single Chinese vehicle is developed (or straight up copied) from a Soviet/Russian design? Why don't you say that the Swedish Strv m/41 and Sav m/43 are Czech vehicles then, as these were also developed from Czech tanks! You have to realise every country took inspiration and used foreign chassis, hulls, and suspensions on their own designs. Stop trying to discredit an already forgotten country's designs for doing something that every major power did, it's actually disgusting. I see so many of you Czechs claiming ridiculous things about how Hungarian tanks are Czech, just because 1 Hungarian tank had Czech influence. 1 Hungarian tank also had Swedish influence, and I have yet to see a single Swedish person trying to claim that Hungarian tanks are Swedish. Also, funny that you admit the Zrinyi is Hungarian, but you still try to say Turan tanks are Czech, even though both the Turan and Zrinyi tanks only share a loosely similar chassis to a Czech design. That's it. Both have Hungarian modified chassis, Hungarian designed turrets/superstructures, Hungarian guns, Hungarian improved armour, smoke grenade launchers, other components, etc.

[@Cyanfox3006]

​@@victory7999*being a nerd for a moment* Topli is actually modified Swedish light tank. But overall, your explanation is fine

[@Osca3007]

@@victory7999you make a better essay than me everytime theres literature class lol, more free knowledge for me

[@Tobias-wb6kd]

Regarding the tools for making maps - they actually are available as part of the CDK. A lot of the actual basic tools you need aren't actually Gaijin-specific, you can just use an image editor to make a heightmap, then use the CDK tools to convert the heightmap to a mesh and add all the textures and stuff. As far as I know, nobody really uses that part of the CDK. but is is available and does work.

[@Allirys]

You know, Bawz, just hearing your voice make me smile. Thanks for all the years! 💚

[@level98bearhuntingarmor]

Hungarian tanks are never talked about and I honestly find them pretty unique it's cool to see one that wasn't really produced doing good (even if it's a video game)

[@swissfreek]

6:01 seeing you main gun airplanes with ease never gets old.

[@StormwaveAudio]

My biggest problem was trying to play it as a PZ. IV with trying to angle and relying on all the bounces etc... and then after failing I fell more in love with it because it's actually unique. The only things I don't like about it is it's a bit too chonky and loud AF, but it will be a permanent addition to my 3.7 Italian lineup with PZ. IV, BF110, Sherman Hybrid etc. for sure. (up until it gets inevitably uptiered).

[@Cyanfox3006]

My opinion as previous Germany main (Sweden is my beloved now): Its just better Pz III (TI/TII) or Pz IV. Yes, you're big chonk, with slightly worse general armouring (in theory) but the mobility... I love it. Finally i can play Puma but with actual armour

[@Hampterboii]

As a hungaryan i am exited to get the turan III

[@essence_fr]

Elírtad 😮

[@OddBawZ]

It's SO good!

[@Hampterboii]

@@essence_fr tudom xd

[@Hampterboii]

@@OddBawZ true

[@rettichdergeile9361]

Im gonna be honest, all the Hungarian Tanks are Fun. Well done Hungary

[@greysontakacs8222]

Now we just need the whole Turan lineup

[@dominuslogik484]

honestly there are enough hungarian tanks from ww2 to actually make its own tree

[@Cyanfox3006]

​@@dominuslogik484Why not make a tech tree of all "sub-trees"? African from British, Finns from Swedish, Hungarian from Italian? Would be a hell, for sure, but a funny hell of aircrafts and tonks

[@dominuslogik484]

@@Cyanfox3006 I think honestly they really need to rework some of the oddball nations to stop using equipment given to them by post war U.S aid. its annoying when playing the u.s nothing I have is unique as everyone else gets the same shit. I could see adding hungarian and other oddball tanks from that area to Italy in return for not furnishing every country with the same shit

[@Cyanfox3006]

@@dominuslogik484 Nah, its fine... I promise, i know which M18 is Japanese and which one Chinese, I know that one M4 is German, that one Italian, that t-34 is Finnish, that Pz III is soviet one, that Sherman is British, that Panther is French, that one centurion is Swedish, that strv is Hungarian, that one half truck Chinese, that Sonderkraftfahrzeug is chinese and that Messerschmitt is Israel's

[@dominuslogik484]

@@Cyanfox3006 I am just salty about grinding the american tree and missing all sorts of stuff that should have been added. M109 which was made before the 2S3 soviet equivalent. the M48A5 which is the M48 upgraded to 105mm cannon that all the M48 in us service were eventually upgraded to; these two come to mind first. its also annoying that there are no unique advantages to the US tree as everyone else also has the same US equipment and sometimes domestically upgraded versions that are around the same BR. Germany for example getting the M48A2 as well as the BMP-1 at the same BR. or how China has all the Taiwan equipment which means that they get a mix of some of the best soviet and american equipment making matches absolutely cancerous against them.

[@yupa7813]

I had the turan II from the battle pass a while ago and before the update i was making people think i got the update early it was fun. But it is cool being able to have all 3 of the turans

[@nequleg]

13:25 That reverse gear really came in handy there!

[@laberdude]

with adding this, the 3.7 linup is a monster for italy.. m24 is rank3 again. for cas the bf 110 premium. sherman hybrid and panzer4 premium.. mega!

[@hep6210]

I love it when OddBawZ fills me up with his content

[@thinker787]

🤨

[@kyezun]

yo??

[@nmspy]

Go to church. Go immediately to church, do not collect 200$, do not pass go.

[@f_u100]

🤨📸

[@vinfeildesca2363]

Sus

[@raducristea4116]

I think its a bit strang that this is 3.7 and the zyrini 1 which doesn't have a turent and it has the same armour is 4.0

[@kirishima638]

Don’t try to make sense of Gaijin’s battle ratings.

[@scifiordie]

This one should be at least 4.3

[@bingchilling-vr1zj]

@@scifiordie i don't think so

[@Arpads_Legacy]

@@scifiordie then put Pz. IV G and H on 4.3 aswell

[@scifiordie]

@@Arpads_Legacy I agree. It reverses better than the pz IV and has better turret armour so 4.3 should be fair considering that germany has a stronger lineup

[@wulfleyn6498]

Hungary makin surprisingly good designs.

[@YasinVanDoorsen]

Ever since i started watching odd back in 2022 my skill in warthunder has significantly improved just by observing his playstyle 🎉. When I first started I never used Sniper mode or binoculars while playing in 2 Tier 3 and 4 Tanks that I bought. I found out how to use rangefinder by accident also 😂

[@joe_do3114]

Bro was playing on hardcore mode.

[@markcook2980]

“I feel like I’m talking to myself sometimes…technically I am.” 😂😂😂 Love your monologue!

[@robinsteeden7466]

Good vehicle video, but really, no comments on the foreground trees thrashing about spasmodically? Does Gaijin think that's how trees sway in the breeze?

[@modoverkill7066]

I’m so thankful for the update, Italy really needed Russian and German tanks for top tier, now Sweden and Italy are the best all around nations for variety. Loads of fun

[@MinecraftMiner098]

I managed to artillery a kv-1 (Zis-5). I'm always excited to see your videos!

[@gp_gospodmepazi_8628]

I love you Bawz keep up the good work man😘

[@atta26hu]

Nice that you played a hungarian tank, I think as a hungarian its good that these vehicles will get more notice from the public because they are in warthunder. Interesting thing is that if I remember correctly the really well angled plate at the top should be 35mm and the cupola front should be 60mm, while the Turret back should be 55mm. There are more tanks/vehicles Hungary could get and I am really looking forward to them. Also you should play the Zrínyi II, it has good armor, okay mobility (not the best accalerating) and a good gun (105mm with HEAT).

[@marcomorgen300]

What can be noted is the cannon on the Turan lll is the same as the premium Zriny ll. Same pen and all that.

[@Player-st4hn]

You mean premium Zrinyi I?

[@koflynn2159]

I really need this for my Italian 3.7 lineup. Constantly fighting T-34s and KVs in my P40 and Chaffee really makes me go insane.

[@zolarien]

I LIVE FOR YOUR CONTENT. I RISE LIKE A TROLL FROM UNDER A BRIDGE JUST TO SEE YOUR VIDEOS. NOW THAT I AM SICK I AM EVEN MORE TROLLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE TROLL

[@backyarddeathtraps5831]

I think they get whoever makes the Call of duty maps to make their maps. They all have funnels where you gotta pass through and its usually 3 main ones like COD. Then they block off parts so you cant go there to counter those 3 main routes.

[@cyberarchitect9280]

I have to be honest, the title is pretty surreal for me, but I'm glad you love our tank....well sort of our. I wish we could produce the Turán III in greater numbers. Hungary's finest, alongside with the Zrínyi. On the other hand I'm really sad about Gaijin messed the Lynx. Funny enough the Gaijin HQ is in Budapest

[@Player-st4hn]

Sort of ours? It's Hungarian developed, Hungarian built and Hungarian used. How would it not be Hungarian? Taking inspiration from foreign tank design? Every country did that to stay competitive.

[@cyberarchitect9280]

@@Player-st4hn well it is, at least the chassis is a Checz licence, which we further developed.

[@egoalter1276]

The chassis is checz, the gun is a copy of a german gun, and only prototypes were ever built.

[@cyberarchitect9280]

@@egoalter1276 I was just lazy to write this down, but this individual got the point

[@viniciusrodrigues121]

Now I look forward to the 44M Tas tank being added to the game.

[@adakill1644]

as a Hungarian ill let Oddbawz Tell hugry jokes

[@danmallery9142]

The wind physics are cool. Maybe a gentle breeze, though. Not a hurricane on an LSD trip? Please and thank you.

[@limey_]

You know how he said he gets Seversk a lot, on one occasion, a few days ago, I literally got it and the winter version 4 times in a row, with only domination once. That was not fun.

[@anisvadjian5142]

Lol I’ve gotten Seversk 5x in a row in two occasions. Less mad about it now.

[@tianhaoju4634]

A lil tip for the Turan: drive them backwards, since you reverse as fast as you went forward, and the engine will actually help since both the American 75 and Russian 76 can pen you practically everywhere but cant get across the engine compartment It works even better on turan I and II since theyre very tough in the first stage

[@BARelement]

He’s said before he doesn’t do that tactic because he thinks it’s cheap. Hun or spook I don’t remember but either or .

[@tianhaoju4634]

@@BARelement tbf its more effective than the IS-2 backwards strat, but it gains less of an edge

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@BARelement When you are as good and OP as him you don't have to bother.

[@wesleys4507]

Im playing 2.7 now, and when i see Italy as the enemy and uptiered.. i already know i will ose the game.

[@garbagebeans6939]

The first time I saw thing I got really confused cause I forgot it got added. I shot it in the sherman and it didn't pen from like 30 meters. I went to check the armor protection analysis and I think I shot the one part of the tank I couldn't pen

[@egoalter1276]

Front glacis and turret face should be a flat 80mm, riveted from 2x40mm plates, so its probably represented as slightly lower RHA equivalent.

[@chez6459]

I would actually argue Odd that during my playtime with the vehicle, I've been uptiered every single match to 4.7 and not once been downtiered to face 2.7 tanks cuz Gaijin's matchmaker is still compressing tanks to higher tiers regardless of being decompressed or not

[@scifiordie]

This tank has a much easier time facing 4.7 tanks than 2.7 have facing you

[@wastelander89]

3.7 is perfect any higher then u gotta face the prototype panther at 5.0

[@christerprestberg3973]

-Mum, can we get panzer 4? - No we have panzer 4 at home >.>

[@ThiccYoroi]

Gaijin tries to make one good map challenge level impossible

[@Verttix9]

Ive been having a break from the grind and found out that 4.0 germany is SO FUN! (pz 4 h, stug 3 g and of course Herman)

[@keithcraig506]

I'm assuming the hills around the spawn is to keep people from sniping into the spawn from across the map, which is another thing people constantly complain about.

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

Yes, but no. The hills are literally perfectly situated so enemies can camp on them and fire into spawn, while simultaneously making it difficult (especially at low tier) to get out of. North cap on Frozen Pass is one of the worst for this.

[@VenomGamingCenter]

You also can't shoot from spawn to spawn in this map, there is a city in the way. So that makes your point moot

[@TinTripod]

I’ve been “hungry” for more content

[@bengarni8611]

I know the Turan 2 and Toldi 2 are event vehicles, but they should have been added in the main line along with the Nimrod AAA and Toldi 1.

[@viktoranika9967]

Yeah, or at least make them available for a limited time, for golden eagles

[@SubZole]

As a hungarian its weird/interesting to hear the crew of the tank talking in my native language :D I didn't really paid much attention to their comments in-game when i was driving other tanks from different nations but it got my attention in this video. I don't have this tank unlocked yet but soon i will get to try it ;)

[@hyuseamv8424]

5:20 AND Here i thought i was the only one who used that spot and love how he calls the pvkv the PuvvKuvv xD

[@obsidianjane4413]

Nah. Sometimes there is a crowd of ppl all trying to occupy the same firing points. lol

[@Infinity_Squad]

Hold on, im getting lunch, right now

[@timharnans]

I’d like to apologize for that pun on Odd’s behalf

[@jidk6565]

A Nazi tank with a Z on the side? Oh, the irony must be lost on them

[@onkelirohsjasmintee5613]

I love the Hungarian Voicelines, they sound like the Tank crew is trying their best while not being able to dump a shit for days.

[@soti6788]

I've been watching your content just for a few days now and I've enjoyed it so far and even went on to download war thunder, but from watching your content to getting hands on experience is a whole different thing 😂, I have no idea what I'm doing wrong but I die at every turn but at least it's in a free premium American tank 😅

[@Politefox17]

Yeah it is hard to tell what you're doing wrong. But keep trying and observing and you might improve, goodluck

[@axolotlIl]

It took me a few years but now I consistently top score every Match. Sometimes my brain goes into Autopilot and I play games without even thinking. After enough trial and error you will get the hang of it, top tip is to reduce your engine noise to the minimum and boost other players ones to max in the audio section. You can pick up unbelievable amounts of intel from the minimap + killfeed. If you truly know what you're doing you can predict what tank you will face before you even see it. Good luck out there soldier! o7

[@kirishima638]

This thing is better than the Chi-To and that things 4.7.

[@Player-st4hn]

I think that's just the Chi-To being overtiered

[@ExcavationNation]

Appreciate the videos bawz 💪

[@TheDutie]

Had my first games with turan 3 yesterday and either i was blessed or this tank is an absolute beast Really survivable and almost everything was 1 short

[@FockeWulfStudios]

Turan 3 has to be one of my favorites of this update

[@tkg__]

They put hills in front of spawns to cover the spawns from spawncamping from afar. It's not just to make it annoying to get out.

[@Slugbunny]

Looks like a handy little battlefield tourer! 😺

[@C4L1BRON]

Célpont eltalálva!

[@stefanoskiakidis5675]

Day idek: I rly recommend playing the su100P, it has a very good pen for its br, good mobility and a low profile, making it an excellent tank destroyer for flanking…I’d love to see you play it but still love the content!

[@lbencz]

nice music under the review, gotta love the attention to detail ;]

[@cw4623]

RIDICULOUS that Gaijin moved this to 4.0. A Panzer 4 (which should be 3.3-3.7), except it's Italian and Gaijin LOVES to f***k Italy and France.

[@jacksonlange6347]

I think you can see if you are scouted at the bottom of the hud where the white binoculars will be.

[@brahmanation3280]

The new trees be lookin like the amazing wacky waving inflatable arm wailing tube man

[@GothicHellhound]

glad the gun works for you, I cant get it to do anything, even dead on turret cheeks of tanks and it just vanishes, or perfect side on shots to ammo, and doesnt pen, I legit haven't had a fun game in this tank :(

[@a.cunningham4974]

I know its HERESY to say but I got the Turan III in World of Tanks as a prem and its a great little tank I like it Its in the german tech tree there instead of italy, but italy wasent a thing when WeeGee released the Turan Same problem with the ammo Doesnt have alot of it

[@SenileAt28]

Wind in that last match was at least category three hurricane

[@erikseehagel1907]

this thing wigs me out, there's no sense of inertia or hull rocking whenever you move

[@3x4n.]

Gaijin when the players want to make maps: ”Well yes but actually no.”

[@Corellian_Smuggler]

I used to be semi-good at this game when i could actually hear enemy tanks around me. Now I almost always die because theres an enemy tank beside me or behind me making absoloutley no audio.

[@ttpechon2535]

Ya, I've been playing since 2018, never managed to hear an enemy.

[@trollsports7829]

maybe should have checked the audio setting @@ttpechon2535

[@Ossuum]

Bawz, I got WT running for the first time in year, and I blame you for it XD

[@the_king_of_low_rolls]

Yes the Turan!

[@plzplz-oo7bd]

Odd PLEASE play the Japanese Type 87 RCV with APFSDS rounds…one of the funnest tanks I’ve played although it requires a sneaky/aggressive play style

[@SeductiveWalrus]

Yeah its one of my favourite japanese tanks to play

[@trevornorfolk3103]

Still slaps at 11.0, just the same playstyle, flank and spank

[@SeductiveWalrus]

@@trevornorfolk3103 Absolutely destroys anything from the sides, and is a solid AA aswell

[@neilbrogan5897]

The casual use of main armament as AA is in equal parts impressive and teeth gnashingly annoying as I can NEVER get it right :D

[@Q-lowGoblin]

Hey man, the other Turan and the Zrinyi II are also extremely strong. They're all very fun to play :))))

[@GameyDave]

Crazy good tank for 3.7. I played against it yesterday. I saw something quick, but it was far away, it was a downtier against Italy and soviets so I presumed it was something fairly weak BUT it then proceeded to go through the front of my jadgpanzer like butter....

[@harrietjones1047]

Agreed

[@bingchilling-vr1zj]

if you know where to shoot then it's easy to destroy just like a panzer IV

[@harrietjones1047]

@@bingchilling-vr1zj well yeah otherwise it’d be 5.3 or something. The manoeuvrability is mad

[@OskarWach]

The bf 109k4 got a bomb in this update , maybe a new CAS video?

[@GoonyMclinux]

That TD right before the Turan is the real deal. 😂

[@robertbasleader9213]

I ate chocolate... probably nobody cares, still wanted to share it....

[@cl3matis]

odd, please play the Vickers Mk7! its a leopard 2 with a bri'ish turret and gun! lots of fun

[@Duke_of_Salt]

Every time you pop smoke in that tank I poop my pants a little

[@thyunholysinner5389]

I kept seeing this thing all over the place last night

[@Orangnus]

It would still be pretty great at 4.3

[@Zapprz]

Absolutely a beautiful tank, although it has a GIANT cupola

[@drowsylettuce3031]

Please play the new T 2 Swedish plane. It has a 500kg bomb at 1.0

[@Player-st4hn]

Hang on, I always get 1 shot and Oddbawz is saying the armour is decent and surviving many shots. Are we playing the same game?

[@Haaton-of-the-Basement]

facing Japanese long 75 and German long 75 then yeah, you gonna get penned easily. Sherman 75 and soviet 76 will have some complications but eventually they will go through. Britain only hope is the 17pdr on the Archer and Achilles or a lucky uptier against their firefly and Avenger and France just has another reason to hate on Gaijin. Sweden it's f*cking sweden, bro the jack of all trades. The armor in general is decent.

[@egoalter1276]

Armour is basically the same as a panther, but worse sloping.

[@Player-st4hn]

@@egoalter1276 Sloping is literally everything.

[@HandFromCoffin]

Looks like it had been used in a movie called TANK 2000!! from the early 90's

[@the_1_person696]

pretty sure the hills are meant to stop enemies from sniping spawns.

[@chridmill4554]

I noticed this tank has NO suspension travel when moving, maybe part of why its so good? stable gun wins every time.

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

Seversk is the most aggresively pushed map by Gaijin, which is a shame bc it's also absolute garbage.

[@jonathanbarkett2084]

They should do a standalone Hungarian mixed with Romanian tree

[@PF_Player443]

its so weird to hear the hungarian voice lines in an english vid... but i love it

[@pizzzza_piggy7427]

We went from Squeezy boy to CHUCKY BOY😂

[@villie86]

Be sure to try out the Turan I on 2.3 too! It has a super fast reloading 40mm gun with APHE and the mobility is pretty much identical to this one. The Zrinyi has the same reverse, but aside from that, it's like any other Italian pizza oven.

[@Player-st4hn]

Which Zrinyi?

[@villie86]

@@Player-st4hn The tech tree one.

[@ElwoodPDowd-nz2si]

Reminds me of "The Flying Nun" TV show.

[@hunlepto2239]

You know what you could do? Use your high reverse speed and do the IS-2 tactic by using your engine as an impenetratable armor (atleast against APHE threats).

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

I am having an _awful_ time spading the Csaba while grinding the Hungarian line. The round is just so unpredictable. One shot ammo racks, while the next 3 don't even injure crew. Looks like I need to just buck up and get'er done so I can enjoy this bad boy.

[@boomerix]

Use it's good mobility to make wide flanks. Shooting side armour usually has good results. Tho I feel like it is often afflicted with ghost shells. Also it helps that at this BR there are many Lemming trains that just drive straight towards the objective which makes the path the enemy takes very predictive.

[@princesspupcake1269]

It's interesting that it's got cope-cages at the BR range where they'd actually be useful-ish. Really wish the mid-high tier cope-cages were even remotely effective, RIP

[@marcelievsky]

Amazing tank indeed! Can't wait to gaijin add the Panther hungarian

[@Hpdeskjet377]

13mm rounds bounce off this things barrel and into the hulls roof armor

[@overconfidentpineapple8783]

6:45 The Hungarian tanks were inspired by Swedish tanks, the Toldi I was a Swedish L-60 built from licence, and later Toldis were also based on the design. Great video, the starting joke hit a bit hard, but we are used to it :P

[@Player-st4hn]

Only the Toldis and Nimrod have any connection to Sweden. And the Toldi I is not an L-60 built under licence, it was developed from the L-60 but with significant changes and redesigns.

[@axelb5122]

I really hope they dont uptier this tank because the 3.7 line up for italy now is very good, the atrongest point of the turan is the speed ofc, but he is chonky and easy to spot, and t34s are a scam, they bounce rounds in a very stupid ways and pen you angling from the tracks so for me 3.7 is a good spot for this tank.