⭐ Updated version of this video here with newer hunters (and the buffs/nerfs to hitboxes): kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZeYdpeKf7triqM
@DrDeceased013 жыл бұрын
daily reminder: don't pallet stun Joseph because he's old and it'll break his back :(
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
I love this comment xD
@purevanilla68273 жыл бұрын
/* proceeds to pallet stun joshort
@mermaidbia74593 жыл бұрын
yes I support this
@meergrad3 жыл бұрын
Archievement unlocked: Terrain master Jk I'd never pallet stun jojo...unless? xD
@oh-no-not-me3 жыл бұрын
every time i attempt that he still manages to get thru and hits me bcuz of the way he attacks XD
@ayoichangedmynamep33043 жыл бұрын
As a hunter main I can say this, when you are trying to hit survivors, your hitbox is non-existent Then when trying to hit the rescuer when someone is on a chair, your hitbox becomes a kilometre long but it ends up hitting the chair instead of the rescuer
@Random_AnimeWatcher233 жыл бұрын
This.. this is true.
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Played a match yesterday, was near chair but survivor was incoming, I faced away from the chair, tried to hit the survivor and it counted as hitting the chair, so. I agree. Lol
@PeachyShrub3 жыл бұрын
in one match i was playing with the bq and the chair was behind me i wanted to hit the rescuer but when i was going to hit the rescuer i hitted the chair and the chair was behind me and i got confused
@5w4intp3 жыл бұрын
@@PeachyShrub aim assist, turn it off and it won’t do that anymore. Can be annoying sometimes Ik
@PeachyShrub3 жыл бұрын
@@5w4intp i dont use aim assist but yeah its annoying
@J4cquieLantern3 жыл бұрын
Joseph's hitbox shape-shifts
@vxnilla4593 жыл бұрын
Every survivor with Wu Chungus as hunter: "HOW DID THAT FRICKING HIT ME!!"
@ifeeldead4633 жыл бұрын
Me as White Wu Chungus: How the hell did that hit???? Me as Black Wu Chungus: HOW THE HELL DID THAT NOT HIT!?
@vxnilla4593 жыл бұрын
@@ifeeldead463 LMAO SO RELATABLE
@carlosalejandroalvarenga49133 жыл бұрын
@@ifeeldead463 LITERALLY
@musty94793 жыл бұрын
Feaster: This is child's play.
@vxnilla4593 жыл бұрын
@@musty9479 Exactly
@an-eileen3 жыл бұрын
that moment when a tentacle and an umbrella have a bigger hitbox than a sickle an axe and a steel leg soul weaver, DW and axe boy: *WHAT THE FU*
@gaearsonist68203 жыл бұрын
To be fair, umbrellas ARE long and tentacles vary in sizes
@oh-no-not-me3 жыл бұрын
Jojo's hitbox in a nutshell: *Hit or miss* *Sometimes it love you and it don't*
@dannarosita3 жыл бұрын
People are always complaining about Wu chang's hitbox but not Feaster's smh...
@dannarosita3 жыл бұрын
@Lucky Client Feaster do be having more than 1 tentacle
@captainbolter3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s because of wu Chang’s faster movement speed so he closes the distance much faster, also feaster is much larger looking so it looks less unatiral
@kiddoinwall82643 жыл бұрын
Feaster's is very inconsistent, its glitchy, sometimes long sometimes short
@Crystal-sb8mo3 жыл бұрын
I equally hate both but since not much use feaster and since wu Chang can teleport and cancel pallet stuff makes him harder to kite.
@dashmarer3 жыл бұрын
feaster has probably the best hitbox in the game, as said. it balances out being so long since it cant hit on the left or right side.
@sparrow29593 жыл бұрын
When you see wu chang long hit that’s when you know you’re dead
@Phosomnia3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I spam that thing multiple times ngl
@opposite27153 жыл бұрын
When you see white guard’s charged attack*
@crispv23963 жыл бұрын
The only thing that keeps me sane while trying to kite geisha is "her godawful range can't ever terrorshock you" playing over and over again in my head
@niahlu3 жыл бұрын
i kept telling myself that once and thought i’d be okay getting cornered on top of the slide in mrp 😀
@marj22783 жыл бұрын
Oh believe me as a geisha main, the amount I cannot hit by just someone spinning and staining at me at the same time *its pain*
@caitlynvictoriahalim68672 жыл бұрын
I terror shocked everyone as geisha cuz I'm a camper
@grain46623 жыл бұрын
Please note that those hitbox's are tested with green ping if you have red one they are worst
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Not green.. yellow! Ha! 150ish
@Arahabaki_luvr Жыл бұрын
My ping on average is 326.
@dreamysodagaming3 жыл бұрын
If the dream witch had an attack I bet she would use her tail, Jack already used his claws and they’d probably want something more unique.
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Whip them with her tail? Sounds painful. That would be a crazy hitbox too
@captainbolter3 жыл бұрын
I feel like she’d probably have a more mystical attack like a portal or a long thin purplish special affect that looks a bit like a spear, but she wouldn’t actually be holding them
@carlosalejandroalvarenga49133 жыл бұрын
@@captainbolter kinda like how she controls the servants to hit without her holding them
@Chaotic_Toby3 жыл бұрын
@@carlosalejandroalvarenga4913 I just imagined that if DW did hold her followers, she would yeet them at the survs 😂 Or carry them to the survs
@ihearthanzo3 жыл бұрын
i wanna see a hunter that literally just punches a surv. It would be a short hitbox but yk it would be funny
@SirRias3 жыл бұрын
"Also for [Joseph's] charged attack, he does seem to prefer hitting targets on his left rather than his right" Man, couldn't imagine why with that animation
@gumimegurine37593 жыл бұрын
Mary's hitbox is so weird. Some times I can hit from very far, and I'm surprised it hit. Other times I'm right on top of the survivor and it misses.
@Random_AnimeWatcher233 жыл бұрын
As a Mary main, this is true. Sometimes, when the rescuer is trying to untie the survivor on the chair instead of getting a terror shock I hit the chair instead. :,)
@AJ-kf9ew3 жыл бұрын
WTF IS THIS SO TRUE
@gumimegurine37593 жыл бұрын
@@Random_AnimeWatcher23 you are so right or instead of hitting air I somehow hit the chair
@hpzxvanax3 жыл бұрын
Um no- Its like the smallest hit box i ever scene i cant hit the survivor that it feels like i am looking my foot XD
@Random_AnimeWatcher233 жыл бұрын
@@hpzxvanax I wish they buff her hitbox..
@Honeymilkteaaa3 жыл бұрын
As a BQ main, I can confirm that her mirror hit box is bigger then her regular hit box ! I really don’t know by how much, but yes I’ve gotten more terror shocks with a mirror then I have with her normal attacks lol
@new.seiiros3 жыл бұрын
People: White Wu Cheng has the best hitbox in the game! Me: can't hit survivors with normal attack/always getting juked :(
@arwinv90053 жыл бұрын
Well dream witch at first was supposed to be able to destroy leeches and becamr visible to attack survivors with her claws
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Oh, that is cool!
@dreamysodagaming3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, I think dream witch has the worst hitbox. I play every female hunter including Violetta and although her hitbox isn’t long, I don’t get juked often. With dream witch her fast attack makes it hard to turn around and aim your attack so survivors can easily juke you, even when your using her charged attack. I assume they gave her a bad hitbox to make up for her being an S tier hunter. Edit: I also get juked less as geisha as well.
@sommerfugl70403 жыл бұрын
I main dw and her charged attack is basically a smaller version of bq's it's like this | | | | \ /
@crispv23963 жыл бұрын
They should really buff her hit box. I don't care if I already have a hard time against her she needs a better hit box
@tthiagob50883 жыл бұрын
@@crispv2396 Not really, mastered dream witches don't have trouble landing hits
@rayy55763 жыл бұрын
idk, i find that i can juke geisha really good compared to every other hunter
@Charlotte-th3ut3 жыл бұрын
As a wu chang main, white's long charge ( with good timing and practice) is good for terror shock on window vaults. White's long attack allow about 180 degree-ish turn while black's long attack allow about 90 degree turn.
@WindArcherCourier23 жыл бұрын
White guard's hitbox nerfed soon ;-;
@opposite27153 жыл бұрын
So xie is good for terror shocking? And fan is good for recovery?
@memethemeerkat3 жыл бұрын
Joseph’s hitbox is honestly pretty good, it’s almost 180 or is 180 but slightly tilted to the left. His right hand side is weaker as you say in the video, He can hit through pallets though, and if you practice, there’s a way to walk through a pallet and hit someone who’s camping it. So he’s a lot better than Michiko or Mary in that department Joseph’s quite fast at vaulting, breaking pallets, and his attack animation so the short distance is made up for the fact he’s not too slow with his animations His chase is still weak because he lacks anything to really catch survivors or protect himself but his camping isnt terrible if you know how to infinite card trick and have max berserker
@tentenhyuga48322 жыл бұрын
As a michiko main I have been juked several times but to keep them from continuing to do that to me I will use my long attack and spin her so I can hit the survivor trying to juke. It’s funny when they think they about to get lucky and juke a second or third time only to be met with a cold hard floor and a very angry michiko waiting to hug them hard and put them on a time out chair.
@purevanilla68273 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much I need this ✨
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found it useful!
@StillChong_yun3 жыл бұрын
ma twin :3
@Andehirt3 жыл бұрын
As a luchino main his hitbox is so unbalanced but perfect the same time
@mariavivian47033 жыл бұрын
*breaking* wheel's hitbox is I believe very similar to photoman's. He has a a decent range for both normal and charge, and a fairly wide attack range. Where his attack truly shines, similar to photoman, is the fact the he can turn while attacking and the hitbox lasts throughout almost the entire animation, meaning he can hit basically anything within his range.
@rioplaysgames.3 жыл бұрын
As a soul weaver kinda sad tho cause thats really true that her hitbox is short, i always rely on her webs i always get pallet stunned cause not gonna lie she is big XD but its fun playing soul weaver even tho she has the worst hitbox in hunters,her speed is incredible :^
@Toylawyer3 жыл бұрын
The reason ember has a small hitbox is he is the basic hunter and due to wanting longer kites (flames) it complements that in my opinion as he needs so get close
@bobnorris85203 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is missing some more parameters, like atk speed, atk recovery after a hit, atk recovery after a miss, and how long the atk lingers (which helps a lot with jukes and palete dropping)
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would have taken much much longer for me to put together this video, but I did consider adding those points too.
@akiraakira25293 жыл бұрын
As a soul weaver main, let me tell you, if you gets in her attack range then do not even try to juke; if the sw is fast enough she can do a full 360o hit. I tried.
@radlohead88833 жыл бұрын
you’ve grown so much since i was last here 😳
@grapejuice22983 жыл бұрын
but your hair didn't grow??!!...Lol
@kucingluarangkasa3 жыл бұрын
@@grapejuice2298 i- LMAO
@inkovia19923 жыл бұрын
bAld-BAAALLDDDDD
@jehanfalishakaffah79343 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video this can help me practice perfumer :D
@8bbao2823 жыл бұрын
As a half Geisha main, I can agree that she has the worst hit box ever. BUT WHEN YOU PLACE A SURVIVOR IN THE CHAIR, your hit box becomes White Wuchang's hit box and hit the chair instead of the rescuer
@theyluvchurro3 жыл бұрын
I kited an undead as prospector and I actually juked him while he was trying to charge attack me ;-;
@vifujioka3 жыл бұрын
I think Yihydra would hit kinda like ripper, with her hand.
@azurclerx9513 жыл бұрын
First time I see someone saying surv have a hard time in the game to rescue...
@toaky49483 жыл бұрын
Even tho the vid still haven't started, I know that hell ber has the lowest and feaster, wu chang is one of the highest
@PROPZNMAYHEM3 жыл бұрын
i feel like she would use a magic for hitting and then ballon the survivors on her tail
@Hiruko_3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I didn't realise I was early. Amazing video though.
@RNLittorio3 жыл бұрын
Jack's hitbox is the most inconsistent. Sometimes he just cant hit somebody well within range
@cufd65472 жыл бұрын
Me having a hunter geisha: HOW DID SHE HIT ME
@meergrad3 жыл бұрын
aw poor spider :c
@griff41943 жыл бұрын
Spiders range doesnt apply to you Meer, you're just too op
@mermaidbia74593 жыл бұрын
poor Jojo
@meergrad3 жыл бұрын
Yeah good point, when I play spider my range is white wu chang
@meergrad3 жыл бұрын
Smh jojo has an amazing hitbox, every spider main dreams of having a jojo hitbox xD
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, badges modify hitboxes.. don't they? lol
@sophief.74753 жыл бұрын
Me, a Wuchang main: It‘s finally my time to shine
@asealJFM2 жыл бұрын
Antonio and phillipe hitbox hit depends on the weather. I believe
@zaqueb3 жыл бұрын
Feaster's hitbox is huge, but being someone who mains him, it's held back by how it interacts with windows. I don't think I've ever gotten more than a couple of window terror shocks, even if the survivor should've been hit. He cannot hit people when they're vaulting on windows; it's REALLY weird. But his charged attack is so insanely long that it makes up for it ^^
@brutus57673 жыл бұрын
What? I main feaster too and I can hit survivors when they vault windows, the problem is when they already landed on the floor and have broken windows but I still can hit them through the window xD
@painterguy64693 жыл бұрын
3:37 As a soul weaver main, this causes me pain.
@panosxrnpl31223 жыл бұрын
Same.. and everytime I play 1vs1 with my friend she bullies me bc she easily jukes my hitbox as violetta and when I try to hit through palletes I'll most likely get pallete stunned and miss, and I always complain about the hitbox but she thinks that I'm just complaining, I just sent her this video to prove that viokettas hitbox is shit af especially charged attack, once I was doing a charge attack in her and just bc she was a little left to me I somehow missed ;' she didnt even believe it either that I missed LMAO so yeah I mostly rely to my webs and hit :)
@raidenjamesgregyy13243 жыл бұрын
Dream witch attack would be her hands and without followers she could keep a survivor on his tale but with an amount of time they can escape
@dashmarer3 жыл бұрын
idk why but i got happy when my main got an S in both categories. i grew a big attachment to hastur when i started the game, so of course i started maining him.
@dashmarer3 жыл бұрын
and something about joseph. for some reason his hitbox changes depending on what skin you wear for him. apparently its smaller if you wear moonlight gentleman.
@aspect70663 жыл бұрын
Next video about attack recovery speed and movement speed
@toefff2 жыл бұрын
As an aspiring Hell Ember main, I really hope they increase his hitbox just a little bit as well as width. But with the puppet's range, I think it makes it balanced if their range is terrible but I do hope they improve the AI just a little bit tho. Nevertheless, I understand that balancing him is a 50/50 since he can be too OP if he gets buffed too much even though it's just range. His map presence is definitely an A tier.
@grigoriikondrashev4873 жыл бұрын
Notice: Luchino's normal attack has a lot of width, so it should be used when you come closer to your prey (when they are cornered, after the pallet or in a tight place). Charged attack hits survivors only when they are directly in front of him (its range is approximately 2-3 metres. It's very useful against transitions). Also, as its animation takes time, you can choose the direction of this attack, that helps when a survivor tries to tight kite you or to change their direction right before the attack. Yes, Lizard has a lot of limitations, but that only means, that we need to pay attention to every detail of his mechanics. (I am quite experienced at playing him).
@aere78403 жыл бұрын
The hit box are so large that it depends on your kiting ability to be able to adjust to that. It’s even worrying when your ping skyrockets so high that you can’t kite at all.
@greenchess18323 жыл бұрын
Another criteria to consider is how long the hitbox lasts, although I understand that this is hard to test. As an Axe Boy player, I can tell you that although his charged attack hitbox doesn’t give much range, it lasts a long time. You can use this to have an active hitbox as you move through a pallet
@iliannaisreading3 жыл бұрын
What’s interesting to note with dream witch hitbox is that it changes with different skins. I believ a full pickaxe hitbox is slightly bigger than a Serpent or Upright Judgement skin, though do take this with a grain of salt.
@ifeeldead4633 жыл бұрын
"Ripper has a decent hitbox" Me as Ripper: hit doesnt register despite being an inch away from surv
@tacothealien98053 жыл бұрын
I swear whenever I play sculptor it feels like her hitbox is really long
@mr.k62932 жыл бұрын
Phoenix: ‘gamekeeper favors hitting target on his right, completely avoiding his left’ Gamekeeper’s gameplay: *completely reverse*
@BBlackPhoenix2 жыл бұрын
Oops
@Aryenf3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, now i can buy Galatea/Sculptor asap 🤧
@crispv23963 жыл бұрын
Do take in mind that it tales 2-3 seconds to actually launch a basic attack
@mars53373 жыл бұрын
as an antonio main: his hitbox is an insta -100/10. what the heck is this.
@Yahtou3 жыл бұрын
There’s a pallet or wall within 30 feet of you? Too bad! You’re hitting that instead of the surv 2 feet in front of you 😩
@mars53373 жыл бұрын
@@Yahtou PLS straight facts
@Yahtou3 жыл бұрын
@@mars5337 The struggle 😂😭
@aretmasu79553 жыл бұрын
I think Joeshort has a good basic and a charge attack because the range, weith, and the cooldown
@Latency3453 жыл бұрын
Hunter's weakness: -Attack range is wide (not good in narrow spaces) -Vaulting speed is abysmal (Easy for Survivor escape) -Hitting a Survivor has a long cooldown -Pallet destruction speed is also abysmal -Hitting objects frustrates the hunter and will throw a tantrum for a few moments -Hunters are way too cocky and can be easily frustrated -There's more survivor's than hunters
@samourate69883 жыл бұрын
i did not know you main luchino wow my frined laso mains luchino that is amainagg you are the best idvtuber there is bblackphoenix keep p the good wokr....
@nesutei3 жыл бұрын
these are tested with yellow ping, but even when i have green ping my hitbox doesnt hit omg 😭
@chemkawa26383 жыл бұрын
i rlly like joseph and ann hitbox because to me they make the most sense for the animation, i do main sculptor though and her hitbox brings me pain…. its hard for me to hit while walking through pallets and even when im nowhere near chair i always end up hitting it xD
@ellenrochefil85013 жыл бұрын
You should make the video is "Top ??? thing everything was change" from 2018-present
@nayshaclarke50783 жыл бұрын
Me a Geisha main: I JUST FRIGGING SWUNG AND YOU’RE NOT THAT FAR AWAY, WHY AREN’T YOU DEAD?!!! Survivor that keeps on running: Because you thought a decorative fan was a good weapon choice.
@gabrielmartins76423 жыл бұрын
i like axe boy charged attack, you can really deal with body blocks with ut
@nim37873 жыл бұрын
as a vio main I've basically learned to rely solely on my notes- like is2g these buus need to be right up in my ankles for me to hit them normally :"D
@aidan_11053 жыл бұрын
but his long range is so nice when it hits i feel so cool
@seraphywang46383 жыл бұрын
Btw Ann’s hitbox is literally the same charged or no charged so its better to just use the normal attack
@AJ-kf9ew3 жыл бұрын
Hmm i think if dw will have an attack on her own it would be cool to use her claws and when she does her charge attack she’ll like elongate her body and charge forward
@opposite27153 жыл бұрын
Then idv’s mod would delete her if a main DW killed them easily
@greentea16223 жыл бұрын
7:33 as an axeboy main i use the main attack bc its an attack that lasts very long. Even when the axe is already retracting the hitbox is still active
@alekbi_le58752 жыл бұрын
With th eblack guard i usually like to hit with him more bc survs underestimate his 360º hit box if you move fast enough any juke its useless…and survs like to juke a lot
@narararamammily53863 жыл бұрын
White guard's hitbox is taller than Joseph
@gossiperzoroark96293 жыл бұрын
If the hunter is left-handed, the hit box does whatever it pleases and you gotta deal with it
@baconpancakes45872 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who has had weird things happen with geishas hitbox? Like one time I was behind a wall and it somehow hit me even though she faced the other way. This has happened multiple times please send help
@bellamcg.42153 жыл бұрын
Joseph has a pay to win. Try different skins the A and S tiers!
@wilhelmscream69193 жыл бұрын
.. i didn't even know that there WAS a secondary attack by long-pressing :P I did do the tutorial attentively (i'm assuming that it was included in it) but then took several months off from actively playing. Is the only benefit of it on Hell Ember the longer range ?
@BBlackPhoenix3 жыл бұрын
Every hunter has a longer range, some hunters get longer range but shorter width
@afkcat5043 жыл бұрын
Me as wuchang : How that can Hit ? Me as geisha : HOW THAT MISS ?!!
@belavera9942 жыл бұрын
hopefully this is still up to date, I'll use this info to learn a new hunter, it's wu chang, wish me luck😅😊
@deerlinnngg66163 жыл бұрын
I should probably join streams again! I’ve missed it
@Crystal-sb8mo3 жыл бұрын
YOURE TELLING ME I HAVE TO KEEP A DISTANCE FROM THAT FAR 😭
@jjais9643 жыл бұрын
Feaster shouldve been both A Also Joseph is left handed
@Jimthemoth3 жыл бұрын
Me while using breaking wheel: I AM THE FASTEST, SO I SAY ADD MORE SPIKES! Me when a survivor makes a U-turn around a corner: nooo stop spinning wheel slow down
@oh_notey3 жыл бұрын
b u f f l u c h i n o *yes.*
@Lucas-uu9ut3 жыл бұрын
This is a fact: Most hunters with narrow hitboxes has skills that damages survivors. Luchino can jump Geisha can dash Bonbon have bombs Axe boy has a skill that helps damaging the survivors, and he also has a speed up skill. Violetta can speed up with her webs and slow down survivors by spitting at them
@letheanx38493 жыл бұрын
When I play as Joseph I can easily change my direction during usual hit, but with Galatea i am unable to rotate during the hit, is that okay?
@Dahackabarade3 жыл бұрын
Some of us : #BuffLuchino Netease : #NerfLuchino Some of us : Wtf?
@ihateithere45713 жыл бұрын
I hate being a barmaid and seeing a Joseph or Wu chang coming at me- Or even Geisha with her dash- aaaaaaaaaaaa
@themadeye74513 жыл бұрын
Bro fester is the longgest hit box not wu chang
@arwinv90053 жыл бұрын
Nope wuchang has the longest
@themadeye74513 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaahahah look again bro
@themadeye74513 жыл бұрын
Wuchang have 5.6 long
@themadeye74513 жыл бұрын
And feater have 5.8
@arwinv90053 жыл бұрын
@@themadeye7451 where did you read that?
@marshmallowo10103 жыл бұрын
Wu Chang’s hitbox is broken, especially in the skin Frost, theres some vids where you can see how White guard wasn’t even close to the survivor yet he still got a hit/terror shock, that’s why I cry every time when I’m going agains him
@izabellagila25413 жыл бұрын
As a geisha and mary main this kinda hurts
@coraphobic91723 жыл бұрын
this is actually helpful :o
@gamersjunkie3 жыл бұрын
Hello brother, I have a problem. Yesterday, I was installed identity V. but crashes on loading screen. This laptop has ryzen-5 10th gen processor & 8gb ddr4 ram and nvidia geforce 2gb graphics card. But it crashes in loading screen. :( but in my previous laptop which has core-i3 processor and in there identity v was running smoothly. why it is happening? please make a video about that.
@inyourdream91613 жыл бұрын
I'm sad the spider hitbox is the worst but has the rare skin in game
@iahzech59733 жыл бұрын
Was first time using geisha Yeah it was abuse if im getting tight kited i cant even throw butterflies that bad
@razmohammed433 жыл бұрын
Me being a soul weaver main:
@yvnholvr2 жыл бұрын
as a geisha main her hitbox is honestly depressing
@Liltoolillied3 жыл бұрын
But dosent the survivor hotbox also matter
@b_ramking3 жыл бұрын
Feaster hitbox in my opinion is the best of all game, it's not slow like White Chang and the normal click hit is pretty far.
@mhgirl013 жыл бұрын
As someone who is (or was after the update) a Geisha main, her hitbox is so stupid. And doesn’t even makes sense why it’s so linear. She has a fucking fan! She should be able to hit sides at least to make up for her short range. Not to mention the new butterfly thing fucking ruined her.