Can The Leatherman Arc Multi-Tool Survive The Roxon Flex???

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[@conradhershberger9359]

At 3:50, that is definitely not a wire gauge. It's a bicycle spoke wrench tool.

[@blade9292]

Yes and the flex if it can have the tools could be a nice bike tool

[@tdmeskimomobile6618]

@@blade9292 That would be cool, one day you have a bike multi tool, the next day a camping multi tool, the maybe another day a handyman multi tool. 🙂

[@andrewfett142]

👍🏼to your vid. I don’t even almost consider the arc at its price. I don’t need magnacut in my multitool. I don’t need magnacut in my anything actually. Roxons stuff seems pretty ok & good price. The goat is probably not for everyone currently. You have to be a “special” kind of person. 😁 The goat has been thee perfect tool for me. It’s personalized to me inside AND outside. AND nobody beats the GOAT WARRANTY. As long as the company keeps going. :)

[@hvacbudget8600]

Good points!

[@analogmatrix1442]

Great warranty with high price just means you bought the tool two and a half times over.

[@The_RC_Guru]

I like my arc and don’t find it having hotspots. Bit spendy for what it is I agree. I think it’s more of a medium duty tool and like the toolset. What they need to do is offer all the tools that fit for sale separately so we can choose our own toolset on them. Or set up a build sheet on their website so you can order it with only the tools you want.

[@brianswope7050]

You can put more than 2 long implements in the flex max level edc showed that in one of his videos

[@kirov777]

You can fit 2 long implements next to each other. Try it! SO total of 4!

[@farmking5088]

Thanks for the comparison. Maybe Roxon will come out with a Magna Cut or harder steel replacement blade, that would be great!

[@hvacbudget8600]

I agree!

[@conradhershberger9359]

Thing is, it's open source. It doesn't even have to be Roxon. Literally anyone can produce and sell a better knife blade for it.

[@farmking5088]

That's true, hope so!

[@billybunter3753]

Better blade steel is nice. But how many of us have worn out knife blades if we're to be honest.

[@PoorWays]

I burn up a Leatherman 3" knife in 3 months. Started carrying a pocket knife to save my Leathermans.

[@kyle35_36]

The Arc is my favorite tool i ever had. use it everyday

[@hvacbudget8600]

Very cool!

[@Walkingman.45]

For the price and being it’s 2024, the Arc ought to have two tshank adaptors for the saw and file. Other tool swaps might work too, micro bit is lame. Hail king Surge.

[@kellypainter7625]

As a multitool junkie, I see myself getting this. I like my Roxon knife with the changeable blades a lot. That said, I will be carrying my ARC daily.

[@ToolTechGeek]

Do they seem to have the same blade system ? Maybe that could be a way to get a preview till it’s released.

[@kellypainter7625]

@@ToolTechGeekI don't think so. The knife seems a lot taller than the multitool.

[@W-C-F-o1k]

The Arc is nice but I can't afford that. I think it's really awesome that they're making Flex tools open source. I wonder how much it'll be

[@hvacbudget8600]

It is great to have more options! I'll try to post when I get an actual price.

[@kathleensmith370]

I think the Roxon has leatherman beat

[@billybunter3753]

I'm very much doubting the Roxon could compete with the robustness of a Surge! I'm hoping it does, but I'm willing to bet it won't...

[@user-vs5xx2gu5l]

Does it cut coat hanger Better than the arc I would think so no offence but American made items cost 5 times more with 5 times less usefulness that is sad when china are pioneering the market in every measurement the proof is in the pudding just look at the items they make for America a lot of times

[@hvacbudget8600]

It does.

[@blade9292]

I believe they both are made for différent markets. I mean the ARC is a premium multitool with a generalist tool set. While the roxon can be an actual specialist tool. My biggest gripe against the ARC is the price mostly in my country. The Roxon actually can not only be the start of an entire line of tools but also be one of the best either primary or secondary multitool. For example have a dual force and the flex, The crunch and the flex, or have your knipex. As far as the flex goes they can make knives, multitools with other options like configuration and different plier heads. The best part of this is enabling the External tools to be like roxon fantasy

[@hvacbudget8600]

Great points!

[@samuelray5965]

The pommel is really important to me so I would take the arc all day. I use my signals pommel multiple times every day

[@TwistedFatwood]

Despite what everybody thinks because of what it cost the Leatherman arc is really not that great of a tool it has a great tool set yes I will not agree with that But it is an extreme light duty tool it's not worth the cost it's made more for a businessman in his office fidgeting with it it's more of a fidget tool If you're a working man the arc is not for you it's more of a novelty I'm just not a fan of the Leatherman Ark it has too many cons and not enough pros With that being said I'm a fan of Leatherman in a hole I carry a surge myself The Ark in my opinion is just a novelty tool

[@letsgobrandon8375]

Have you carried the p4?ive had that handles fail on the wave and surge as they will not lock open. I've beat the p4 more the surge and wave combine and I've had no issue. I'm getting the arc because of the toolset.

[@johnkraemer5505]

I’m very excited about the Roxon Flex! It looks like a great platform! Do you have any information on a release date for the device?

[@hvacbudget8600]

Not yet unfortunately.

[@DwarMeji]

Thanks!

[@hvacbudget8600]

Thank you so much!!!!

[@matthewnawrot5967]

It could be a wire guage but it looks more like a spoke tool for bikes

[@imanassole9421]

(Incoherent rant😅) Leatherman is gonna be one of those companies that because they built a name back in the day, they just stay so ignorant of the competition, that they'll be bankrupt before they know it, if they don't start paying attention. Look at Victorianox. They are still being Innovative and competitive with price for what you actually get. I got my SAK Huntsman for like 30 bucks on sale. It's like 50 normally straight from them. I would have been happy with 50 tbh. Still a top quality tool that I would trust my life to.. and when you get it, you feel it, you see it. I've purchased 3 knives from them.. every one is still absolutely perfect. Face shaving sharp out of the box and durable as all. I own a LM Surge.. I just really wanted one for work, so I bought it for my bday. Got it for like 150? With no accessories besides the sheath and file. Some would argue those are not accessories, those are standard for a 1lb tool that has a t shank adpt. Zero changes and innovation since release, except the replaceable plier teeth I believe? Their over all tool implements are pm the same as they have been for a long time. That's just not gonna cut it boys. The over all quality is serviceable.. nothing to write home about honestly. Durable? Yes, but was everything razor sharp and perfect? Not at all. I shouldn't have to "setup" a 150 dollar tool. IE sharpen and tighten or loosen and locktight things. But that bit extra that I got from my 1/3 price SAK is super noticeable in comparison. I was kinda pissed honestly. The Arc.. their "end all" tool. Reviews are pretty mid everywhere. Ergo, durability, qc, tool set.. it's all meh from every review I've seen. I ain't giving LM another dollar after my experience. 90 percent tools are becoming the way to go as far as LM type tools go IMO. If the tools and quality get you 90 percent of the way to a LM. Arguably 95 these days.. for 1/3 the price? Not to mention the durability, over all quality, refining, and consistency have improved drastically with many of these companies these past 5 or so years and is only getting better. Where LM is just staying comfortably where they are.. which isn't as unreachable as they think. In some cases surpassing LM! Looking at you scissors🤨. That's good enough for me. Yes, the purists who haven't owned, will never own one, or touched one once will say "It's cheap garbage" and this and that.. that's just ignorance and guessing mostly. More and more.. those people are just defending their purchase. They're mad that they paid 3x the price for something that does the same thing. And I get it, I got suckered too. You really gotta ask, how much of my 150 dollar purchase was just the LM name.. oh and that "limited" 25 year warranty. "You want the best, you gotta pay for it." Hey, I'm not saying you can't enjoy your solid gold toilet my guy.. but I have both.. and I'm kinda mad I wasted money on the gold one when the white one does the same work every day. If anything I'm more scared to EDC my LM because it was so expensive. 150 for the tool, 30 for the bit kit (which is hard to find), 10 for the extention? If I lose that, it gets broken after lending it to someone at work, or it gets stolen. That sucks! But a 50 dollar tool? Less so. Idk my point is that I see less and less value in LM as time goes by.

[@hvacbudget8600]

Good rant! LoL!

[@LarryReynolds591]

Maybe. Pretty pathetic that our regulatory system is so hostile to business that American firms can't or won't manufacture here. 350 million ppl here and we can barely make our own tools.

[@JC_1095]

And then most people blame the companies. And then the politicians try to punish businesses for outsourcing when it wouldn’t be necessary in the first place in a more free market.

[@LarryReynolds591]

@@JC_1095 I have no problem with tariffs and other policies pushing companies to manufacture here. The fact that the very first thing they do is outsource rather than even try to manufacture here, as Roxon has done, tells you that it's not just policy. Sometimes the companies just don't care about anything other than their own cash.

[@analogmatrix1442]

@@LarryReynolds591If it doesn’t make dollars it doesn’t make cents to the max. What people fail to realize is that the consumer always pays at the end (even when you only buy cheapest price) wventually everything costs an arm and a leg. That or the cheap stuff you buy and chuck ends up killing the planet.

[@user-dk6vg3zg3y]

it’s not a regulatory issue if other companies make the same product. no government agency is saying multi tools cannot be made in USA. it’s basic economics: minimize input costs to maximize profit. the materials and the labor are much less expensive overseas than in USA. the arc is not for everyone, it’s meant for more financially capable users. I am not mocking people, but arc is more of a status tool than a workman’s tool. Leatherman is looking to make money, a profit - not looking to save you money. the knockoffs look to save you money.

[@PoorWays]

In the old days, patriotic congressmen levied tariffs that made a 4 cylinder Toyota pickup cost the same a full-sized F150. It saved American manufacturers and our economy. Have to find anti-import lawmakers to have a chance.

[@jasonmiller9495]

Yeah until you pick up a SOG or Roxon and you feel the difference immediately in quality. I know whenever I try anything other then Leatherman or Victorinox the lack of durability of the cheaper tool is automatically felt in hand

[@LarryReynolds591]

It's unfortunate so few channels do destructive testing. Maybe Project Farm will do a multitool comparison.

[@billybunter3753]

Yep too true! I have Leatherman and Victorinox, they're hard to beat. The Roxon is good in theory, but I don't like that the tools splayed out unless he locked them! And the fact that the tools are so easily swapped out makes me wonder how solid they would be in use. Like I say great in theory, but...

[@nilmarklohpontes1735]

You got any information if the production roxon flex will come with a sheath?

[@blade9292]

The sheath is quite important for this tool as you have to be able to store some implements and a bit kit

[@hvacbudget8600]

I don't but that's an interesting question.

[@andrewfednander6110]

Do you have any timeframe on when Roxon will start producing and selling the Flex?

[@hvacbudget8600]

No, not right now.

[@PoorWays]

Hi Hvac, what would be your thoughts if Roxon offered a separately purchasable Magnacut blade option?

[@hvacbudget8600]

That would be great for some. Personally I don't need that high of blade steel. I think it would be a cool selling point.

[@NLBean]

Website states it will come with no factory installed tools and no initial minimum tools required. Does this mean it will come with spacers?

[@hvacbudget8600]

I'll need to get more info on that. Makes sense.

[@Castleknight]

Does the Flex have a 1/4" bit adapter that comes with it?

[@hvacbudget8600]

No. You can buy the 4mm bit kit that works with it. Also the Suipro or Maerd type 1/4" adapters work with it.

[@raphaelvilamiu]

Why discuss price so much? What about weights?

[@hvacbudget8600]

The Arc is one of the most expensive production multi tool on the market today so that makes a huge difference to many people.

[@richardsullivan1776]

Mr. Kincaid, what grade of steel is the Roxon Flex composed of? The Leatherman Arc is 420HC with a Magnacut knife blade. The GOAT is 420 with I believe a 440-stock knife blade. Some people may not like a softer metal if Roxon sticks to a 3Cr or 5cr. If I like the tool itself, I'm really not concerned with the grade steel. I think the Leatherman Arc has a great tool set and if you want a superior Magnacut blade and don't want to carry a dedicated knife, that's the way to go. I myself am more than happy with the stock multitool knife blade. I really like the GOAT multitool at $119. You have a great option between that or the Leatherman Wave+ at the same price point.

[@hvacbudget8600]

I'm not sure the grade steel of the Roxon. Still waiting on additional info.

[@user-vs5xx2gu5l]

When is the flex coming out?

[@hvacbudget8600]

I don't have the exact dates yet. I'll keep everyone updated as soon as I know.

[@Heaven01993]

Its 2024 tec is advanced and things being copied are the now. better, cheaper just paying for a name brand like clothing

[@tomperone9338]

I don't like the Arc for the same reason I don't like the newer Wave...the microdriver and the weird proprietary 1/4" bit driver.

[@TwistedFatwood]

Just wanted to add this the Leatherman art is extremely expensive but very cheaply made it just doesn't have the quality I think overall leathermans quality has dropped a lot in all of their tools

[@dmitriiershov2203]

Nooo man you can’t compare a beautiful pedigree horse (i mean Arc) with a car, just don’t. Who even do their dirty work with an Arc ? It’s like loading your Porshe’s trunk with a potato, cmon.

[@hvacbudget8600]

The Arc is nice but you might be surprised how good the Roxon is.

[@C3DPropShop]

If you're concerned about doing "dirty work" with your muti tool, then you're not buying a tool, you're buying pocket jewelry. If you have enough expendable income to overpay for something you're not going to use, good, I'm happy for you. But some of us need a tool that will get used, get dirty, get broken and serviced, and get us through situations without making a purchase the size of a car payment. Maybe they are both good, different markets for different needs.

[@mrhairypalm5006]

Everyone complaining about the price you're just peasants😂

[@aries758]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️когда это Арк был лучшим?.. 👎👎👎