This is the worst I've wrecked... | Derail Valley Career Ep. 10

[@jsjinc.8949]

Ya hyce the sight glass was empty when you went kaboom mustve burned off enough on tbe pull to where it wasnt out the top so when it sloshed forward it was empty also dont forget the sh282 boiler is quite long

[@Hyce777]

It's about the same size as 491's, and, we don't slosh that much with a 7% change, let a lone a 3% change... I know now for future gameplay experiences, but, christ. lol.

[@ginga_ninja247]

Yea I think the slosh is just an exaggerated factor the devs have put in to make life hard running steam locos bc you have to manage water and coal more burning through both extra quick so you have a thrill of coming into a station with a completely empty tender I guess. No matter what hill I’ve been on with either steam loco, if I don’t have water in the sight glass at any grade I’ve ended up going to boom town. 😂

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@ginga_ninja247 It also certainly didn't burn through the water that quick even remotely back in Overhauled with the Zeibach mod... it's insane! ^^

[@someguy564]

The glass was filled to full, but with the glimpses of the water glass right before the hill, it looks like it got down to somewhere between a half and 3/4, so I guess it was a combination of the engine working hard on the hill and the water sloshing forward to drain the water.

[@RollestonRails]

@@Hyce777 you still bined it and snice it is the woerst yet so its counting as two bins hyce so the season count is 8.5. STOP BLOWING IT UP. Where's Jersey when you need him he can drive it properly man...

[@LadsOfTheMads]

Hyce when he has to keep water in the boiler: "WHAT?!"

[@Johndoe-jd]

To Hyce, ES&D CDO Fees and fines cost are at the end of your shift is 460,716.65 dollars. We appreciate it if you pay your copay of 246,000 dollars. This is your first warning. Please pay off your fees and fines. Derail Valley Debt Collector, John Doe

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

It is fine.

[@WhitzWolf92]

To John Doe, Derail Valley Debt Collector No u. [Name & Address Withheld]

[@michaelimbesi2314]

John Doe is the unsung hero of Hyce’s fanbase

[@Johndoe-jd]

@@michaelimbesi2314 some might see me as that but I end up spoiling myself for the episode

[@ethanlarribeau5959]

Keep doing these for all his videos even if he doesn’t cause a rapid unscheduled disassembly. This is such a good running joke.

[@Pyrotrainthing]

I like how when Hyce says "...Can smell that already" and Smells like Kenosha begins, Mickley you knew what you were doing.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

To be fair, it was just lucky timing there, just nailed it like a boss! The Smell Of Kenosha doesn't compress, I suppose...

[@6777Productions]

Was just about to comment this, I died of laughter from this 🤣

[@michaelimbesi2314]

Hyce: runs with the bar in the corner and the safety almost constantly popping. Also Hyce: where did all the water go?

[@arthurschwalm6332]

24:31 there is a frame where you can see there's no water in the sight glass. The fire temp is also pegged which can't help the water situation

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

I'd like it if it was easier to see if the sight glass is empty or full - either have little bubbles in the water, or simulate the valves feeding each side of the sight glass so you can blow down the glass & see it refill

[@OfficialUSKRprogram]

@@RoamingAdhocrat the original realistic steam mod had a little white bead inside the sight glass for that reason

[@JTCF]

I had my S060 explode when it ran out of water even after I extinguished the fire and temperature went down a lot, no idea why that happened

[@sawspitfire422]

23:22 is the last time we see the sight glass full, but then at 23:54 and 24:06 we get a good look at the sight glass and it looks empty

[@kornaros96]

@@RoamingAdhocrat gauge and cab lights would be nice.

[@joshuawatt1133]

You can buy multiple lanterns which helps a lot with lighting the inside of the s282

[@Hyce777]

Noted...

[@Pentium100MHz]

Yeah, 3 of them - two on the tender and one on the boiler. They used to disappear from the tender a lot, but this bug was fixed.

[@billtheunjust]

Being that derail valley is a horror game, how terrified would you be if you went into one of the shops and there was a rifle for sale... There's something out there in the dark!

[@JTCF]

Literally a Chekhov's rifle!

[@billtheunjust]

@@JTCF and then in a later update maybe they need you to take livestock from the harbor to the dinosaur park. Be careful not to derail, thinks might get ugly.

[@sawyerawr5783]

It's a Yugoslav M70....then you get really terrified...

[@callsignapollo_]

First time playing and coming in at night to the night in harbor, after the usual rainstorm, it had started to dry up, and i had left my engine with the wipers still going on dry glass. The screeching sounded like coyote yips and i instinctively jumped on top of the nearest car so fast before remembering i was playing a train game and not a survival game 😅

[@PendragonDaGreat]

Me: Starts hering "Smells like Kenosha" Me: Sees Sight Glass Yes Rico, Kaboom.

[@MeowtainDew]

I think it exploded because at 21:24 you turned the water off because it was full. Then you went up the hill sloshing the water back into glass tricking you into thinking it was still full. Boiler either went completely dry by the downgrade and went explodey or it was going dry and a ton of water hitting the boiler all at once made it go boom. Not even sure if derail valley simulates the second one but that's my best guess

[@callsignapollo_]

DV does simulate crown sheet exposure slosh, so either is a possibility.

[@Keystonecole]

ntsb has found in the matter of the wreack of the es&d l-052 that the engineer who was also acting as fireman for reasons unknown had failed to regulate boiler water level properly and exposed the crown sheet leading to the derailment. Heavy fines have been levvied against the company.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

there was a fun parking brake incident at a London train station a few years back. Was an engineering train during maintenance work, Class 66 diesel-electric, made by EMD. Driver hit the "apply parking brake" button and then shut the whole loco down, clocked off, and went home. Several hours later, the train ran away across the station throat. drivers now carefully advised to note it takes several seconds for the motorised parking brake to apply, and they should not be too hasty about hitting the battery cutoff switch while it's in motion…

[@Spud607]

I believe your engine went boom outside the mine because all the water flowed to the front of the boiler when you started going downhill (yes thats a thing I know from poor experiences) and then boom stuffs occurred.

[@jankington216]

He even looked at the water glass while it was empty

[@wobblebee1242]

That's happene to me Cresting hils is dangerous in this game lol

[@Hyce777]

Yeah but like, they don't *actually* slosh *that* much... oh well. Now I know it's an amplified effect in game for next time... lol

[@Spud607]

@Hyce777 yeah it's pretty wild. I was charging full speed in reverse up steel mill hill with a load of rails once and it went kaboom halfway up.

[@wisquatuk]

22:16 - full sightglass 22:26, 22:55 - half sightglass 23:20 - full sightglass again 23:55 - empty! that sloshing, wow

[@JamesPattersonGeepfan]

15:30; I can neither confirm nor deny I've used one of those magnetic shop lights as a headlight on a unit with a failed headlight before........

[@jamesTBurke]

Imagine using one as an emergency car headlight

[@jondorthebrinkinator]

51:00 That one little hump in the loop always gets me. You have to hold the brakes all the way around that loop (I heated an entire train worth of brakes running all the iron hoppers out with doubled headed S282s once) until that one little hump that will grind you right to a halt if you don't take the brakes off and get enough weight over the far side.

[@doubleg01v2]

Love that I've finally watched enough to realize that catching the "spicy" music playing in the background warns of impending doom

[@Grigori423]

I have also experienced blowing up the choo choo the same way while climbing from the harbour. But precision scheduled railroading (and making brake shoes spicy) on a cars with no locomotive- teach me more, master!!! 🤣 BTW- on a day shift leave your flashlight somewhere on the cab- it will recharge battery by the use of the solar panel below the power switch ;)

[@mateokuo7502]

2:10 The slug is actually just southeast of the harbor along some of the steepest and the slowest track on the map

[@harrisongrant8558]

There is a cab light, it just doesn't work because the dynamo doesn't work. You have to strap a gas generator on the tender to make the lights work. That's the Gettysburg Railroad method of fixing things.

[@bowser5678]

There were times I almost blew up the S282 on the steep downhill grades because of how extreme the water slosh is in this game. It’s like you either have to purposely overfill the boiler just to survive such a drop, or if you’re quick enough, sacrifice pulling power by dumping the fire and then start it back up when the grade flattens again.

[@Jake-mz2qf]

24:18 looks directly at water gauge, completely empty 24:35 engine blows up you ran out of water and the crown sheet exploded, genius

[@themidlandconnection]

SL282- imma randomly blow up Hyce- *visible confusion* Dh4- just existing Hyce- *instant punisher mode*

[@rocketboysmc]

Wait until derail valley gets realistic ore physics where you pick up all the bits of ore

[@buckduane1991]

The sounds of a wild Hyce in its natural habitat making the confused sounding cockatoo “what?!” macaw mating call, trying to win over the heart of a new 2-8-2 after his late mate met a most untimely end… having gone through her water reserves in less than 20 seconds, the Cathulu inside of her chest had burst forth… …sorry, just remembered the time you said you went with “Hyce” because of the “crazy macaw and cockatoo sounds” you sometimes make and felt a smidge of David Attenborough lurking about. Had to roll it back and play it at .25 speed to see the glass was fully empty, and had done so very rapidly.

[@JTCF]

I once tried to pull from IME to SM with S060, went the wrong way through the intersection, couldn't reverse, decided to go through the Harbor. One intersection before the harbor I blew up. For some reason blew up even after I extinguished the fire and the temperature dropped... At least I got that recorded!

[@reddark995]

My loco was exploded in same conditions with extinguished fire and dropped temperature. 3 bar was enouth for kaboom.

[@AlyssaAincrad]

when the music starts getting tense.... I GET TENSE... and then I start breathing funny... and stop exhaling with lots of inhaling.... and then I see the empty sight glass and start full on panic screaming at the screen with my hands over my face waiting for the boom. *PHEW* the anxiety lmao

[@Nn-3]

"It smells like something" Kenosha immediately starts playing

[@stef.b.m.lk1902]

The 2-8-2 just went F YOU MELTS YOUR CROWN SHEET lmao 😂

[@JamesPattersonGeepfan]

also can confirm, the dynamics in a diesel hydraulic do loose effectiveness as you reduce speed. Less turbulence between the blades in the retarder to go with there.

[@xoABEONAxo]

24:06 HE LOOKS AT IT! HE LOOKS AT IT FOR 2 WHOLE SECONDS! AND IT'S EMPTY!!

[@KidarWolf]

Nah, didn't come for the Led Zeppein, came for the Kenosha. Without a doubt my favorite track from you that I've heard. I've actually raced to it in slot car racing, and been very successful with it, so thanks for that!

[@therocinante3443]

Man learning the 282 in DV made me understand how a steam engine actually works which is something I've always wanted to know. Thanks for the quality entertainment Hyce!

[@lordhoth4443]

Hyce has the best laugh on the internet.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

It's certainly one of the best, but I guess you haven't heard Luke dying hard on WAN Show yet... XD

[@MrDoctorCrow]

"You had a full sight glass" He said, ten seconds after staring at an empty sight glass

[@drewbarker8504]

The amount of foreshadowing is epic in this video. And the wrecked tender is giving me strong Colorado Midland vibes-except the ES&D/T would probably not consider it an embarrassment. More like free advertising.

[@TheCobraCommander]

If I may make a suggestion: next time take a couple drivable diesels with you with a S282, so in the event that it blows up at least you still have motive power at your disposal.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Just always bring a DM3... XD

[@Hyce777]

lmao

[@BandanRRChannel]

"You're telling me that you blew up your locomotive, so you tried to gravity roll your train down the mountain?" "well...yeah" "You can't be serious..." Also, press "F" in chat for Hyce's keyboard...because you clearly can't press "D" for it.

[@Hyce777]

lmao, amnit

[@Surkai25]

I think there is a bug with the sight glass where it doesn't render what's inside it properly. Ive had countless times where I glance at it, it's full, and I lean out of the window for a minute, look back and it's empty.

[@pilotbrian1]

Putting the lantern on the other pad (the one on the engineers side) does a better job of illuminating the important stuff. It hits the water glass better, plus the speddometer and the cutoff. Realistically, putting it there makes the 282 one of the best lit cabs in the game in my opinion. P.S. Have been waiting for this video, you did not disappoint :) P.P.S. - The 282's crownsheet is exposed when the water glass is empty and then has a very short heat up period before it fails.

[@stojicgaming893]

Hyce never ceases to amaze everyone

[@TheYvian]

Today i learned why we get so much time to earn the bonus in hard mode. 😆

[@mattg5852]

Look at it this way, only an incredibly talented individual could do all that you do. From shit posting, to running a real train, from being an educator, a talented guitar player and the ability to cause absolute destruction in DRV

[@musclecat1005]

36:36 The finest railway practice of 1863

[@ediseverywhere]

With his D key broken, nothing goes *right* for Hyce.

[@kittty2005]

I saw a RL video of two young factory workers running a 25 ton GE single ended switcher I watched the video closely and it looked like their answer to getting a 2 car train moving was to hook the brakes hoses up then forget to open the angle cocks but then opening the one at the other end and waiting for ALL the air to go bye bye, then they proceeded to pull the train 5 miles to their destination, thank god no hills, but their return trip will have 2 items on those cars that weigh over 200 tons each, but there's a cast iron derail at the other end, so...

[@rocketboysmc]

I like the musical build up to the ... normal day. 21:10

[@ACamelEmoji]

24:38 "Out of beans" message appears

[@AlexanderBurgers]

the steam locos love to suddenly not have any water when you go from uphill to flat or even worse, downhill. Combined with firing it hard is the recipe for instant explosion..

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Feels like Kerbal Railroad Program, to be fair! XD

[@cadence4527]

I believe they call it the Welsh gravity train. Transporting shale from the mine all the way downhill to the harbor using nothing but gravity and every man on the brake levers on each individual car. They ring a bell to let farm dogs know they are coming so the dogs can round up and herd the sheep away from the tracks to prevent sheep from becoming railroad kill.

[@jondorthebrinkinator]

25:00 That sight glass can be quite deceiving in the yellow glow of the lanterns, but it was very empty and I could hear the groaning noise of the crown sheet overheating just before the explosion. That grade change out of IME is a bit of a pain. I've had that same panic moment when I see my full sight glass drain away, but if you hit the injector on the transition it's usually fine.

[@Armageddon_71]

Just duct tape a flashlight to the last car as the EOT. Real ES&D practices.

[@Ronald.Golleher]

30:40 "Before sunrise, he's *your* son."

[@LionkingCMSL]

I've put a brakeman's lantern on the vestibule of a passenger when shoving two passenger cars. While it didn't help me see, I was running a F7, it did let people know I was coming towards them.

[@luigirota7964]

24:34 WOT A?! Is exploded and derailed? 39:33 Alternative delivery 1:00:54 And here we go wit the 2 deasel idroulik (the red and the wite)

[@danielgamboa1200]

Got the notification. Saw the miniature (traían falling down a freaking bridge) Told myself: oh yeah this is con a be goood

[@DADeathinacan]

If ya go arround the right yards/layovers, you can have many, many free* brake shoes! Only mostly used!

[@gameboy-rz9cs]

before you fire up the steam engine fill the water in the boiler it happened to me too, turns out when you fire the engine up the water level rises more than it actually is in the engine so there's a higher risk it exploding when climbing up or rolling down the hill

[@SeanJAnimations]

I dont think there was any water in the sight glass, the reflection you saw was probably just from the suns position in the sky.

[@Hyce777]

Guess so.

[@lanteanboy]

haaa, Hyce has now officially entered the Debt Spiral

[@RobertHogan-ec8kp]

Did you know that the S 2-8-2 was built by Lima Locomotive inc for USA war department

[@justaguycalledjosh]

HYCE YOU NEVER TURNED THE INJECTOR BACK ON.

[@KR4FTW3RK]

1:03:15 man that is such a scary curve with full cars behind you xD the cars really push the train into it

[@Spanderson99]

I kinda wish there was a “super spicy” brake wear option in this game. I tried very hard to burn up my brakes on the way down from the mines, and hve failed each time. The gravity train stunt had me rolling! Somehow I knew that little hump was gonna get you…. Thise DH4s are fantastic yard goats, but they really don’t stand a chance on the road. “On this episode of K-37 kitchen, Can we cook some doughnuts in this boiling transmission oil?” Looking forward to some big steam action next episode! You’ve got to try a military base run once you grab those licenses. Longest hill on the whole railroad!

[@someguy564]

From the glimces between 22:26 and 22:28, the water gauge looks to be about a half to 3/4 before the hill and with how hard the engine was working, I guess it sucked up enough water to go kaboom down hill when the water sloshed forward.

[@lynxoflight72]

i think hyce made clear that his opinion of the 282 blowing its pipes out the smokebox was pure confusion by the number of what's that were present

[@True_NOON]

*train town engineer : that's a fender bender

[@BrooksMoses]

Nah, that's a tender bender.

[@Marc_von_Hoffrichter]

How good is this series!!! Great stuff Mark, cheers cobber.

[@BNSF9187]

You tipped the hill and the water dropped completely out of the glass bud. Lol

[@Hyce777]

That's... just, not how that's supposed to work.

[@BNSF9187]

@Hyce777 Yeah it's excessive. I have that complaint about DV too. The water behavior just doesn't seem right.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

@@Hyce777You can see the sight glass is already empty at 24:06. It can be hard to tell if the cab isn’t well lit.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

In fact, you sweep past the sight glass at 23:44 and if you go frame by frame, it’s already empty.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

And that’s before you hit the switch

[@MrDoctorCrow]

The DE6 Slug is easy mode, I hauled 1400 tons up from the coal mine with just the de6+slug

[@nittygrittygarage5497]

“I had a full sight glass!!!” He, in fact, did not have a full sight glass.

[@Railman1225]

Hi there, Hyce! So, only 12 minutes and 25 seconds into this video(wow, 1225? huh, neat), so I've only scrolled far enough to comment. Whatever happens later in the vid, just wanted to give you this helpful tip. I've found placing the lantern on the driver's side of the tender to be _very_ helpful, as it provides more visibility for the gauges and controls, while still lighting up the fireman's side. And, of course, you go ahead and do that just ~8 minutes later. Oh well

[@cyclone9946]

With all the beans given made her gassy, she tried holding back as long as she could but the beans won.

[@Mechann0257]

I Believe the boiler explodes if you overfill it with water. I've had this happen before when a S060 was stationary and Left the injector on

[@catmungo4500]

Hyce:what? Me: haha train go kaboom cause water slosh to front

[@JTCF]

And this time Hyce forgot that handbrake was on. At least not the independent...

[@Dinkleberg96]

5:10 when u greet the guy u're having a date with for the first time 😂

[@InternetzSpaceshipz]

You had plenty of water but your fire temp was maxing out the gauge. The water cooked off because of that, you can see an empty sightless just before it happened.

[@FotoElla3795]

Well that went OOPS, OOPS AND KAOOPSIE BOOOOOOOOOOOM!!¡!!!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!! X-PLODI BOIS ☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️☠️💀💀💀☠️☠️

[@SeanJAnimations]

Bruh, this man said. "Hopefully we dont wreck you today. But maybe we will." I think jumped to like, 25 min in and I just see an engine on the mountsin side, so thats a cool teaser for later. Lol

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

It just went to the steelless siding :)

[@xzy1579]

Damper was open, changed downhill, full glass disappears, and programmer punisher

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

You've got a cab light! you carry it in your pocket, place it on yon shelf behind you, and light it with a lighter ;)

[@ProtonTheProtogen]

Only you can Derail in the valley in Derail Valley Simulator Hyce

[@caloxya4139]

hahahah, at 35:10, when hyce says "please", the like voice reconisr picked it up and assumed he was asking for you to 'please like and sub', so it made the like buttom shine rainbowy, which is fucking halarious.

[@thestainmorephoenix8632]

Remember: Uphill Slow, Downhill fast, tonnage first, safety last

[@joenewstead4848]

So if you go back. You were under half a sight glass before you the grade. As soon as you hit the grade the water sloshed to full. At 24:04 the sight glass is completely empty. Maybe the sight glass was giving a false reading as full? I know you topped off water before you left. My other idea was maybe water was not being fed into the boiler and the boiler was completely empy of water and when you were running up the grade the water sloshed and turned into flash steam when it hit the crown sheet? Other then those two idea's i am at a loss

[@FerrybigGaming]

29:18 in a station, throw the job away and the cars will despawn within a minute

[@MrPyromadness]

This was like watching one of the "countdown to disaster" episodes....

[@Streaky100001]

I can confirm that cars out of frame still have physics. I can confirm this after an..... ah..... incident. Left my consist on the grade before a switch to run past the switch (down the wrong leg for where the consist needed to go) to top up on water in the S282.... had a...... minor runaway incident when dropping the cars, turns out I did not, in fact, close the regulator, but pulled it wide open..... so..... about 20 minutes of running after the thing later I finally caught up to it when it met an uphill grade and slowed down, thankfully I'd left the johnson bar barely forward of center, else I'da had no chance. Anyways, I'm limping the thing back to where I needed to be to get water on just the pressure left in the boiler, as I've long since dumped the fire due to lack of water, just wondering if I'ma make it, nearly there, and the next thing I know the cars I left on the grade decided to come say hi at mach 10. Turns out I didn't set any handbrakes, cos I was trying to be quick before my loco got too far away for me to catch (yeah, that worked well) and figured the airbrakes would hold them. Of course, I also thought I'd be hooking the loco back up in only a couple of minutes...... So, yes, can confirm the brakes do bleed down over time and eventually release, and that all this simulation is going on even while you're miles away.

[@jacebeleren9290]

Haha. Back. Talk. LIME THIS MAN

[@Zombiehunter2_0]

Dude crashed so hard in the game the NTSB showed up at his house IRL.

[@yeetscreamer6030]

6:43 sounds like a normal day at a class 2 railroad

[@joshuawatt1133]

The water glass full and the water glass empty look almost the same in low light.... it was empty

[@Hyce777]

F

[@ethanhatcher5533]

In this episode, Hyce is the DM&IR

[@yellowstonejim]

Can we get a T-shirt with a picture of front of the exploded engine and the word WHAT!!! ?

[@Lazarus7000]

You might want to check the jack-pack on your motherboard to see if there's a PS/2 connector, if there is you can just plug in your grandpappy's keyboard at least as a stopgap. But it's a Model M so will have only 2-key rollover so it might be a downgrade if your current board has greater than 2. A PS/2 to USB adapter is very cheap otherwise at least.

[@Hyce777]

I know I can use it in the mean time, I do have a PS/2 :)

[@Lazarus7000]

@@Hyce777 Awesome! Honestly I gamed for years on a model M and seldom noticed the rollover issues, but that's just my own experience, and if the plural of anecdote is not evidence, then surely my single anecdote's value is readily assessed, so see for yourself.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

I use a Microsoft Digital Media Pro keyboard bought in 2003, so it's old enough to have beer already. Still works like a charm, but also doesn't do the n-key rollover thing. That's literally the only issue with this absolute unit of a thing, though. Imagine getting a keyboard for 30 bucks today that would last just a year... XD

[@Havlock]

@@Hyce777 If you'd be interested in what's basically a IBM Model M with a built-in USB connection, check out UNICOMP's keyboards. They build keyboards in the same and similar shape and style, and with the same buckling spring type keys, as the IBM Model M. Back in 2016 when a few numpad keys in my IBM Model M died and I needed a new keyboard, I bought a UNICOMP Classic 101-key and it was almost exactly alike. I've been using it ever since with no problems.

[@PulseClaim]

Hahahha the more he said 'WHAT?' the more I laughed 😂😂😂😂

[@destoyer297]

So at 24:14 I see that your fire temp gauge is MAXED OUT; I assume you had full draft while doing 30~ caused a national news segment xD! I wouldn't think that you would have gone through all of your water but if you think about how hot the boiler was and having full steam pressure that at that point you JUST ran through the last of it and maybe 3~? seconds later kasploody!

[@biggie_tea]

24:37 props to the editors for that music timing

[@Shadowtiger2564]

Ive played a lot with the DH4, and honestly its my favorite locomotive currently in the game. Anyway, the gauge with the RPMs with the white and red needle? When they are super far apart its actually better to throttle down to bring the engine rpm (the white needle) closer to the red one and it will give more power. You dont want to go to far down or the automatic transmission will kick it in to a lower gear and you lose your power. But after 80 hours driving those Ive just noticed that if they are far apart then increasing throttle only creates more heat rather than more power. My theory on this is since it works by spinning the case oil, if the engine is spinning above a certain difference in RPM, then its creating more turbulence in the oil thats actively disrupting the transmission of the power. To note I dont know much about DHs Im just going on my experiences with driving the DH4, and pushing them to their limits constantly. BTW, they can each pull arounf 750 tons so 2 of them can pull around 1500 tons so that 1050 ton train was fairly easy for those two units

[@callsignapollo_]

Ive had the exact opposite experience with the DH4s Guess it depends on your definition of "power," but you get more torque the further apart the needles are and more speed the closer they are. Says so in the tutorial. Makes it one of the few locos where "straight to 8" is a good idea. They may be able to move 700T on flat ground but have nothing on DM3s once you have to hit any significant grade. The DH4 only has an effective TE of 550T on grade, whereas one DM3 in 1st gear can do over 900t on grade. 2 DM3s out of OWC can even out pull hyce's baby, the 282. If going fast is power, then sure, the DH4 is great for that. You can keep those needles close together, and it'll shift up to some pretty dangerous speeds. But in my eyes, "go fast" has nothing on pulling the entire planet early game with a DM3 while sounding like a big rig on rails.

[@Hyce777]

Hm. I'll have to experiment with that. Thanks man!

[@Shadowtiger2564]

@callsignapollo7804 well I mean less slippage and the ability to drag stuff up a hill. I've seriously put a lot of hours in to playing with the DH4 and pushing it to its limits. I fin that keeping them closer when trying to start or maintain slow speed on heavy loads, like at the limit loads, it works better than keeping it at 8 when it's struggling. Yeah I do normally put it straight to 8 to start but then I dial it back and modulate the stick to keep the needles within about 15-20° of each other

[@ConfusedRaccoon]

I've blown 4 steamers up so far, and each one was while I was throwing cinders out the stack and pushing them real hard. Had water in the glass and everything. Admittedly it was on the lower end, but still. Unless I've been doing something really wrong. I've just stopped pushing them as hard. Water lasts longer too.