DIY Cascade Refrigeration System (Part I)

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Hyperspace Pirate

Hyperspace Pirate

Күн бұрын

Big thanks to Exotic Chem Lab for providing lots of guidance / info on this project. Check out his channel at:
/ @exotic_chem_lab
In this video I'll be building on the work I did in my last 2 videos (DIY vapor compression refrigeration & Ethylene Production) to create a 2-stage or "cascade" vapor compression refrigeration system that uses propylene (aka MAPP gas) in the first stage, and Ethylene (R1150) in the second stage. The goal of the project is to hit -100C.
A major snag i ran into was that I wasn't getting the temperature drop I thought i'd be getting from my Ethylene refrigerant. Running the second stage condenser below -30C and 400 psi, no condensation was occuring, despite the fact that my Ethylene should have begun condensing around ~300 psi. After some investigation, it figured out that the Ethylene refrigerant was highly contaminated (about 30%) with Hydrogen gas from running the catalyst too hot during the production process. This resulting in the partial pressure of Ethylene being reduced to the point that condensation couldn't be achieved at a reasonable total pressure.
Using a converted ice maker, i built a second cascade system where the second stage was essentially static, as opposed to a continuous loop. The purpose of this was to collect my ethylene and get it to the lowest possible temperature and condense it under pressure, then release it and hopefully allow the hydrogen to be purged out by phase separation. This allowed me to analyze the behavior of my gas mixture, and i found that at -38C, the mixture that should have condensed at around ~16 bar actually required ~23 bar to condense. This information is what allowed me to make a rough determination of the Ethylene's purity (around 70%).
Unfortunately, my attempt to purify the Ethylene through phase separation simply resulted in all of it boiling off because my flow rate was so high. However, in the process, I did manage to capture a temperature drop on my thermocouple of as low as -83C, meaning Ethylene did in fact condense in my icemaker unit and then evaporate again, so while I technically achieved cascade refrigeration, there's more work that has to be done before I can get continuous refrigeration down to -100C, which will be the focus of my next video. The two main areas of improvement are:
-Making Ethylene of a significantly higher purity (95% or higher)
-Fine tuning the second stage flow resistance / high side volume / low side volume for optimal flow rate / pressure drop
Once temperatures of -100C can be consistently achieved, it will become possible to produce Liquid Methane (or LNG), such as what's used in modern rocket engines like the SpaceX Raptor. This will be done by using a third compressor to take natural gas from a residential source and condense it at a pressure of 26 bar (370 psig) at -100C. When expanded back to 1 bar, the temperature will drop to -162C.
Music:
Kevin MacLeod - George Street Shuffle

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@mathildadeer
@mathildadeer Жыл бұрын
"I never thought I'd see a refrigeration cascade, let alone create one!"
@HitoPrl
@HitoPrl Жыл бұрын
We tried to warn them!
@PsychoBelka
@PsychoBelka Жыл бұрын
But the Administrator assured us it was the purest sample yet...
@DrenImeraj
@DrenImeraj Жыл бұрын
We boosted the anti-mass spectrometer 105%. Bit of a gamble, but we need the extra resolution.
@hughjanes4883
@hughjanes4883 Жыл бұрын
"Im no sure sure i want to get to the surface, what if they find what we were cooling down here"
@arealhumanname4150
@arealhumanname4150 Жыл бұрын
I predicted all of this, you know...
@AllanDeal
@AllanDeal Жыл бұрын
I’ve learned more about refrigeration systems from this guy than I thought I would ever be interested in I think it’s because it’s a crossover between the diy chemistry that’s been created from scratch and then with some home made janky engineering made on the cheap at home is just brilliant. The only one way you learn something sometimes is just go do it yourself
@derkeksinator17
@derkeksinator17 Жыл бұрын
I hated thermodynamics (the subject) but this is a lot of fun!
@TheMinecraftACMan
@TheMinecraftACMan Жыл бұрын
As not only an air conditioning technician, but an avid experimenter, watching you answer so many "what ifs" as you engineer your way through DIYing something this complicated is fascinating in the best possible way. I even learned something today, which was your explanation of why impure refrigerant (something us A/C guys refer to as "non-condensibles") raises the pressure on the high side. That being the law of partial pressures.
@scottcarr1563
@scottcarr1563 Жыл бұрын
Industrial refrigeration expert here. Very nicely done. My personal preference for calculating refrigeration cycles is Danfoss Coolselector. It makes quick work of determining discharge temperatures and other refrigeration properties and is quick to populator PT refrigeration cycle diagrams. At first I was worried that you were picking up heat from your aftercooler instead of rejecting heat but then I ran some numbers and it looks like your discharge temp from your compressor should be around 100°C. Those little scroll compressors don't like much above those temps and mineral oil can start carburizing so I would be mindful of that. Try and get your high stage evaporation temp lower to help with this as ethylene has a ton of heat when it is compressed, unlike propane which stays pretty cool.
@penguiin12
@penguiin12 Жыл бұрын
you know what else is pretty cool? deez nuts
@derrickenbuenosaires
@derrickenbuenosaires Жыл бұрын
I started looking into ethylene as a refrigerant since I never came across it before in the field and it's labeled as R1150 but odd thing is Danfoss won't give you low temperature evaporation pressures for R1150. I think it's maxed out somewhere around -23°C so it's all experimenting after that. Regardless he'll be evaporating below atmospheric. I thought too he might've been gaining heat from his aftercooler. I advised him to put a fan on it to help condense. It's a nifty project he got going on. On my end I probably would've tried something like 404A on the first stage and one of those butane refrigerants or even R437A (R12 replacement) on the 2nd to try out.
@penguiin12
@penguiin12 Жыл бұрын
@@derrickenbuenosaires you can condense these nuts in your mouth
@scottcarr1563
@scottcarr1563 Жыл бұрын
@@derrickenbuenosaires Are you sure coolselector won't do ethyleneat these target temps? I just checked on coolselector 2 and it seems to calculate it just fine.
@derrickenbuenosaires
@derrickenbuenosaires Жыл бұрын
@@scottcarr1563 Sorry I was using the Reftools app by Danfoss. I went into the application again and found that I can now go down to -100 C with ethynol lol might've been a glitch or something. Evap pressure should be around 4 below atmospheric if he can successfully reach -100 C.
@Grove332
@Grove332 10 ай бұрын
These series are giving me newfound appreciation for HVAC. It's not just fancy plumbing anymore.
@blipman17
@blipman17 Жыл бұрын
Love it that you got yourself a copper brazed plate heat exchanger. I figured those would be pretty expensive for the budget you're building this, and I figured you'd be quite stuck after the heat exchanger issue of last video. Super cool! Edit: okay so after completing your video, you could pressurrise a balloon with the Hydrogen Ethylene mixture. Since H2 is really difficult to keep contained, it'll naturally diffuse the membrane. The Ethylene will also, but much slower since they're bigger molecules. You'd have to have some form of purity test to find out your purity of your mixture, but that doesn't sound undoable. Just very low yield. Another method is to try to bind the H2 to something like Iron Oxide and then filter out the water like you did before. Not sure if this is at all possible, or practical. Nonetheless, some cool chemical reactions with to bind hydrogen can be found here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_storage
@WetDoggo
@WetDoggo Жыл бұрын
that could work, but since he already got the high pressure condenser he could try draining the liquid ethylene straight down into another smaller vessel with a valve and disconnected, so the liquid displaces all the gas up to the valve. After disconnecting you should be left with a nice pure sample of high pressure ethylene. I didn't pay enough attention to be sure if this is a bomb, but I figure you will figure it out... before it blows up of course 😅
@WaffleStaffel
@WaffleStaffel Жыл бұрын
You can pick up a brazed plate heat exchanger for under $40 on that giant Chinese site, the one named after the Arab character and his 40 thieves.
@leocurious9919
@leocurious9919 Жыл бұрын
Note that ethylene should also get out of the balloon fast-ish since it can fairly well dissolve into the rubber. Maybe try butane and see how fast that escapes as a comparison to hydrogen and air.
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis Жыл бұрын
​@@leocurious9919 : Hmm, use several diameters of rubber hose running through each other, all in turn running through a lower-leakage pipe, with lowest pressure on the outside and highest inside, and you could produce a continuous-flow fractional distiller system.
@leocurious9919
@leocurious9919 Жыл бұрын
@@absalomdraconis As long as hydrogen is getting through the hoses at a significantly different speed: Yes, I guess so? Seems super sketchy tho. Note that it is not a fractional distillation, nothing is liquid. It is mostly diffusion.
@DerekWoolverton
@DerekWoolverton Жыл бұрын
So another approach to distilling the Ethylene could be to go down to your local weld shop and have them fill up a foam cooler with liquid nitrogen for a few bucks, then use that to chill down your mix and let all the other gasses out. Yes, I can see the irony here.
@defenestrated23
@defenestrated23 Жыл бұрын
Important note! Most places won't let you put LN2 dewars in any kind of enclosed space. You'll need a trailer or cargo rack to transport it.
@Skeys13
@Skeys13 Жыл бұрын
@@defenestrated23not even in the bed of a truck?
@DEtchells
@DEtchells Жыл бұрын
@@defenestrated23 Ah, interesting and good note for future reference, thanks!
@leocurious9919
@leocurious9919 Жыл бұрын
At least he would only have to do that once, so not too bad.
@RNA0ROGER
@RNA0ROGER Жыл бұрын
Would lowering the cat heat not do the same thing at room temps. Ether boils at 35c and unless I am mistaken it could be recycled into the ethanol stream
@BVN-TEXAS
@BVN-TEXAS Жыл бұрын
As a industrial refrigeration tech I have to say you never cease to amaze with what you are doing. I’ve forwarded it to several co workers who watch it now.
@AndyLowe
@AndyLowe Жыл бұрын
In the winter of 1994 I was a freshman volunteer crawling through access tunnels stringing fiber for the new "World Wide Web" on campus. Hyperspace, you are the living embodiment of the future I was dreaming about. Well done sir.
@jamesmihalcik1310
@jamesmihalcik1310 Жыл бұрын
The importance of a home scientist should never be lost to time, nor government. Most profound discoveries were made in a garage, basement or an attic. Fantastic work!
@Grak70
@Grak70 Жыл бұрын
I hate Sundays, but you’re reversing the trend for me with these videos. Thank you!
@Assault_Butter_Knife
@Assault_Butter_Knife Жыл бұрын
What kind of a monster hates Sundays?
@Grak70
@Grak70 Жыл бұрын
@@Assault_Butter_Knife the kind who hates rushing to get my shit in order before having to go back to work on Monday.
@joeflosion
@joeflosion Жыл бұрын
Since Tom shit the bed with the Cubane series this has become my new "must watch immediately" youtube binge. Love the vids my man
@tulsatrash
@tulsatrash 10 ай бұрын
I love that we get to see what is being talked about using "practical effects" (actually doing it) rather than us just having to use our imaginations. There is a lot of important how-to knowledge that doesn't come from just having to imagine things.
@RussellColeman-p2w
@RussellColeman-p2w 14 күн бұрын
Thank you for brazing. You can also use compression fittings with flared connections. You were scaring the shit out of me with that plumbing solder.
@davidwilliams5497
@davidwilliams5497 Жыл бұрын
Was literally rewatching this series going back to the pulse tube cooler eps last night. Glad to see you’re still getting closer to the goal. I’ll be anxiously awaiting the next installment.
@user-wi5vi7dd3z
@user-wi5vi7dd3z Жыл бұрын
My favorite series on KZbin right now. I catch myself every few days checking your channel for the next video 😂
@weedium
@weedium Жыл бұрын
I get enjoyment out of visualizing the refrigeration cycle, it started when I was a a boy and continues to this day. I have always wanted to try this.
@tntamaster3879
@tntamaster3879 Жыл бұрын
YES! I waited for this video and i swear i had rewatched all of the videos in this series at least three times, such a good quality series
@AllanDeal
@AllanDeal Жыл бұрын
I’ve learnt I’m really interested in refrigerated systems. Who knew
@LumemDH
@LumemDH 3 ай бұрын
3:33 pro tip: use a sponge, dish soap and a bit of water. Use the wet, soapy sponge on the soldered joint and leave it alone while the system is under pressure for 2-3 days. If, after 3 days, no bubbles formed, the system won’t leak anytime soon.
@Xsiondu
@Xsiondu Жыл бұрын
I remember when this was a shake weight ductaped to a bong. Now look at you. Got a control panel and toggle switches.
@-r-495
@-r-495 Жыл бұрын
Wow! We tore out out cascade cooling systems as they weren‘t very reliable. One can drive compressors near their limit/just outside it by replacing the valve plates (higher compression, higher wear) and with R404 you‘d reach similar temperature differentials. Or go cheap and use a Mayekawa screw compressor 😅 -100C with their Pascal Air. I salute your efforts, this is so good because I had forgotten why you want to reach these low temperatures!
@-r-495
@-r-495 Жыл бұрын
About leaks: Leak testers for hydrocarbons like propane could work for you too. They have a flexible sniffer that can reach the spots where the leaks usually occur (the least accessible point of failure).
@MarkFunderburk
@MarkFunderburk Жыл бұрын
Knowing enough to generate your own refrigerant and build a 2 stage cryocooler but not having pipe dope on hand is both magnificent and terrifying. Love the videos though.
@r0cketplumber
@r0cketplumber Жыл бұрын
Ethane might be complicated to produce, but you can just buy it. Heck, at XCOR we used it as a rocket fuel for more than ten years and simply called up our welding supplier whenever we needed more. Amusingly, because it has modest pressure at ambient temperatures, ethane was supplied in the oldest bottles we'd ever seen, ones that had been derated due to their age. The record was a bottle that had hydrotest dates stretching back to 1915, almost a century old at the time.
@J.Darwin
@J.Darwin Жыл бұрын
Was suprised to learn that the capillary length influences the pressure, very cool.
@kid_missive
@kid_missive Жыл бұрын
Amazing technochemisty brought to the masses that could be utilized by the citizen scientist to unlock all kinds of high tech DIY. Great content and entertaining narration - thanks so much!
@benlee4940
@benlee4940 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned that Ethane was more complicated to produce, but I don't think it is. Look at Kolbe electrolysis, Scrap Science did a video on it recently. If you do the electrolysis, run the generated gas through a gas washing bottle (you can make one from a jam jar) with Sodium hydroxide solution in to remove the Carbon Dioxide. Add an indicator to the hydroxide to see when it's getting depleted, or you could calculate the required amount and use an excess or chain a few of them together to ensure complete removal. The collected gas should be Ethane and water vapour. The electrolysis should give quite pure gas, but will take ages to collect any decent volume. To reduce the water vapour content before collecting you could add a drying tube made from silica gel or another method. If you require a gas with no CO2, then you could run the dried gas through a tube filled with dried solid Sodium hydroxide.
@rodjownsu
@rodjownsu Жыл бұрын
Years ago I used to fill balloons with HHO and blow them up, if the balloon stayed pressurised for too long though all the hydrogen would escape as the molecule was so small, the balloon was essentially acting as a molecular sieve. Filling a large balloon up with your contaminated ethylene+ hydrogen may filter out the hydrogen component, probably not air though... Just a thought ;) love your work man! Been watching every video with massive interest as I love refrigeration!
@vikenemesh
@vikenemesh Жыл бұрын
Nice thought. Working with ~200L gas in ballons at 1atm is not totally impossible, but a garage full of ballons leaking hydrogen sounds like a REALLY fun insurance case :D
@rodjownsu
@rodjownsu Жыл бұрын
@@vikenemesh haha true, guess that will motivate him to ensure it's relatively pure in the first place ;)
@jameswiz
@jameswiz Жыл бұрын
You can buy silver solder on a roll, with a silver solder Flux, and it's strong enough that I use it on custom length bandsaw blades
@Shazzamm1971
@Shazzamm1971 Жыл бұрын
From someone who has built and operated cryo hydrogen systems, craftsmanship counts. When you make liquid air are you prepared for the fun that will bring to even what you touched your connection points with. Where is the JT valve? Use the pressure drop that provides to force the phase change at the HE. Matching the flow needed and where your system deviates from everything from surface area of everything. Compressor flow, pipe, where is your jacketed piping? Losing before measurement? Joules Thompson valve and that flow pulling it through the latent heat zone. Vacuum, gravity, and even a simulation run fifty ways on the computer are your friend. Good call on the toxicity of the flourene solder. In industry you wouldn’t believe the risks others love to put the guy commissioning.
@Bigman74066
@Bigman74066 4 ай бұрын
The Insulation of cold parts should block water vapour from the ambient air. You can achieve that by using aluminum tape. It will improve insulation significantly. Good luck!
@rushoffman965
@rushoffman965 Жыл бұрын
I cannot wait for the next part!
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 Жыл бұрын
This is a master's level physics project.
@robertpoynton9923
@robertpoynton9923 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea what this guy is saying but it's super interesting. I need this video dumbed down even more 😅
@mystamo
@mystamo Жыл бұрын
This channel and the person behind it are legendary.
@PsRohrbaugh
@PsRohrbaugh Жыл бұрын
Sorry about the last minute failure. This channel is amazing. I REALLY want to do my own version of these projects and it's an amazing resource.
@SirCodeJunkie
@SirCodeJunkie Жыл бұрын
Great video. Love the mistakes with the dead pan humor. The mistakes are the real value to the experiance.
@Puffalupagus360
@Puffalupagus360 Жыл бұрын
The best option for your second stage compressor would be a semi-hermetic compressor. Great flow rates and you don't have to worry as much about the compressor oil getting trapped in the low side and the windings won't be running in a vacuum.
@tootalldan5702
@tootalldan5702 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you shared your "lessons learned" about your progress. I didn't think the hydrogen would be saturated in the Ethylene
@garrettmandujano2996
@garrettmandujano2996 Жыл бұрын
You’re so close man! Can’t wait to see your cryo-cooler
@mike25620
@mike25620 Жыл бұрын
ive been checking everyday for the last week for this video
@arthurlondero7036
@arthurlondero7036 Жыл бұрын
I watched the video as soon as it came out, and I'm coming back here daily waiting for the update, amazing project, and amazing channel.
@Caliboy90045
@Caliboy90045 Жыл бұрын
I’m retired now but I worked on cascade systems and I charged my 1st circuit 12 subcooling. With -10 to 12 superheat. At 100%. My second stage I charged to 12 subcooling and and 12-13 superheat but you can go as low as 10 due to low oil return from evap. Note you must lower oil viscosity on second circuit. Note that high head with low suction may be txv issue or restriction on a cap tube. Hope this helps always pull a vacuum lol
@markhonea2461
@markhonea2461 Жыл бұрын
Yes , one would measure the inlet and the outlet. Really the outlet reflects the numbers that correspond to what is actually happening in the condensor.
@danilofjf
@danilofjf Жыл бұрын
one thing that I caught myself thinking now, you have to include a safety valve in the ethylene condenser. As shown in the video, if the first stage stops and there is no cooling in the ethylene condenser, there will be nothing to prevent the pressure from continuing to rise until one of the components fails. that would cause an explosion
@BoschPianoMusic
@BoschPianoMusic Жыл бұрын
Have to admit during your first video in this series, I remember thinking by myself this shouldn't be too hard I could probably do this myself. Seeing your struggles and doing everything "the hard way", I'm reconsidering those thoughts! Great videos!
@olduhfguy
@olduhfguy 11 ай бұрын
I am intrigued by your experiences with a DIY cascade refrigeration system. I took the 'easy' way out and found a commercial used/surplus one on Ebay that produces -110c temps. In the event it ever fails I will use the knowledge I have picked up watching your videos.
@AiOinc1
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
Seriously, never have I understood so little yet been so entertained
@zorangeblaze01-nt2xj
@zorangeblaze01-nt2xj Жыл бұрын
Love the boot- strap approach. Thank you for sharing.
@JohnBoen
@JohnBoen Жыл бұрын
I am following along in this project... I have been playing with refrigeration since late January. Today I am using my CNC to put grooves on both sides of a copper plate. This will fit between two water sprays... trying to make q cheap heat exchanger... Even these little scraps of copper are going to be stuffed back inside the grooves. Much fun watching your approach :)
@Moist_yet_Crispy
@Moist_yet_Crispy Жыл бұрын
These episodes are always a treat. Looking forward to the next one.
@wayne251975
@wayne251975 7 ай бұрын
On the second stage why not raise your oil sump above the process tube on your compressor then it returns to the crank case as it is still on the suction side. Then a heat tape on the cap tube that the oil drains through. An intermittent switch activated by temperature. Then the heat introduction would be minimal. Just a thought from an old HVAC Tech/ Contractor. That style of evaporator is considered a shell evaporator.
@karstens7893
@karstens7893 Жыл бұрын
This is sick! Excited to see the final product
@skenzyme81
@skenzyme81 Жыл бұрын
This will be great. That Ethylene video was BANANAS. 🍌🍌🍌
@ratibbaker8126
@ratibbaker8126 Жыл бұрын
Don’t be afraid of the suction running in a vacuum! In the old days even household refrigerator/freezers ran in a vacuum! Early cascade systems used R12 for the first stage and R502 for the second stage! Note that in those systems we skip the oil separator by using pentane to keep the mineral oil flowing. Propane is less miscible in POE and therefore slightly more efficient but needs velocity to return the oil. Probably not an issue in this small close coupled system. Note that there are cascade systems that use a single compressor with two different refrigerants called an “auto cascade”!
@yasirrakhurrafat1142
@yasirrakhurrafat1142 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this to drop!!! Now this is an artist makin dope art here!
@Aasishsapkota2059
@Aasishsapkota2059 Жыл бұрын
been waiting for this video so long that i forget about this
@wtechboy18
@wtechboy18 Жыл бұрын
this entire project is super interesting to follow. Best of luck with your ethylene problems.
@The.Talent
@The.Talent Жыл бұрын
I am loving this series. It's like all of the good stuff and none of the mind numbing stuff from my thermodynamics classes at uni.
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, this project of yours! Also, a load of good information is flushed on the viewers - many pauses needed 🙂
@ericlotze7724
@ericlotze7724 Жыл бұрын
Refreshed my KZbin Feed at JUST THE RIGHT TIME!
@dumahh
@dumahh Жыл бұрын
This is good stuff. I work everyday with cascade systems and compound cooling and I find this very entertaining
@SunriseCrawlers
@SunriseCrawlers Жыл бұрын
This is very neat I'm learning alot from it. I'm wanting to try and use some of this to make a 12v system for my truck. Aka a 12v ac unit for lunch time. Having a hard time finding a proper pump for this
@bungalowjuice7225
@bungalowjuice7225 Жыл бұрын
Chilling story. You're a cool guy.
@terminator761
@terminator761 Жыл бұрын
wow your learning and building your Projects fast! keep going. Try to find some old condensing units for walk in boxes 404a or r22, the compressors have more power and have an easier time reaching 400psi headpressure while running like 10psi suction, also they come with a condenser with fan and Receiver sometimes even with liquid seperator etc.
@Nobe_Oddy
@Nobe_Oddy Жыл бұрын
This is INTENSE! You are a friggin GENIUS!
@CriticoolHit
@CriticoolHit Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see you get this working properly. I want to see it run as planned.
@topfeedcoco
@topfeedcoco Жыл бұрын
This is great stuff man, I've really been enjoying the last few months and even with a little physics and a decent HVAC background I find myself rewinding, pausing and visualizing, but thank you for not dumbing it down.
@conno7356
@conno7356 Жыл бұрын
Discovered your refrigeration series and may have ended up watching every video you have posted.. love what you are doing keep it up!
@Atomic_Chemist
@Atomic_Chemist Жыл бұрын
I love what youre doing man, every time you post I stop what I'm doing to watch! Keep up the good work
@AjinkyaMahajan
@AjinkyaMahajan Жыл бұрын
I wanna learn more about this cooling technology. Thanks for sharing
@OtherWorldExplorers
@OtherWorldExplorers Жыл бұрын
Two things One your AC guy could never pull the wool over your eyes Two it looks like you have about $4,000 worth of copper. That was more or less just an observation Awesome as always
@mjktrash
@mjktrash Жыл бұрын
You got MUCH further in this effort than I ever would have, congratulations on the learning fail. ; )
@dansw0rkshop
@dansw0rkshop Жыл бұрын
Good work! Have you seen Ben Krasnow's (Applied Science) video on that cascade system he refurbished? Another good channel doing cascade refrigeration is M4J5TER. He figured out you can use ordinary silicon diodes to measure cryogenic temps.
@miklov
@miklov Жыл бұрын
This is great stuff! Whenever something doesn't pan out I like to see that as gaining wisdom. Sure, it can be quite frustrating to put a ton of work into something and it doesn't work, but then eventually you get to the bottom of it and it does work. When that happens, it may be even more rewarding than if it had worked out great the first time around. At least that is what I keep telling myself. Thank you for inspiring and informative content!
@AllThingsComplex
@AllThingsComplex Жыл бұрын
I love your videos on this subject, and I love that you keep on trying to find a way.
@HeadakusMaximus
@HeadakusMaximus Жыл бұрын
Thanks for these. I've been wanting to do the opposite. I want to move summer heat from my off grid cabin into a storage mass buried next to it for winter usage. Seeing these real life examples of pv=nrt. I could probably use these standard components for the initial stages, but for the hotter stages I'll have to figure out a heavier medium. The length of thinking a lazy person will go to in order to avoid chopping wood might be unmeasurable.
@Lukesab3r
@Lukesab3r Жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this series It's been a ride, for sure!!!! Thanks for playing out what went wrong - so often we see content creators just telling success ... We learn from trial and error, and experimentation! Keep up the awesome sauce, can't wait to see the next!!
@ahmedfadhel5306
@ahmedfadhel5306 Жыл бұрын
the notification of the new video actually made my day better
@J.Darwin
@J.Darwin Жыл бұрын
Didn't understand why you decided to build a second DIY refrigeration system to cool the ethylene down to -100C, while the whole point of the first cascade refrigeration project's point was to cool down to -100C aswell. Buy ethylene > put in 1st refrigerator > cool your own ethylene to purify (prob missed something so I cant say anything (Or maybe it's because I didnt sleep who knows)). Still very very nice and informative video
@dennisdecoene
@dennisdecoene Жыл бұрын
Not a fail, many lessons learned. Keep'it coming it is so interesting to follow this project!
@DEtchells
@DEtchells Жыл бұрын
Wow, what an incredible journey! I’m beyond impressed with the depth of your research and analysis of what’s actually happening in the system. - Not to mention the level of focus and sheer energy you’ve brought to the project. Two thumbs way up, I can’t wait for the next chapter! (I’ve been watching all of your vids from start to finish the moment I see them in my feed 👍👍😁
@joshua-the-seer8494
@joshua-the-seer8494 9 ай бұрын
Hvac tech here : you need to pull a deep vacuum everytime you open the refrigeration circuit to atmosphere. Otherwise you won't have pure Refrigerant in there. You'll have "non condensables" which eventually will destroy the compressor. Also, the P/T charts won't be accurate. Otherwise, great job!
@danilofjf
@danilofjf Жыл бұрын
hi, beautiful work! Congratulations on your effort. let me try to help with some tips. To reduce the by-products in ethylene generation you must preheat the ethanol vapor to the reaction temperature at the reactor inlet, so you avoid temperature gradients inside the reactor, this makes the reaction more selective. The easiest way for you would be to add a tube-to-tube heat exchanger in a cross-flow configuration. Circulate the reactor outlet in one tube and the steam inlet in the other. with this you will have the inlet gas at a temperature close to ideal.
@danilofjf
@danilofjf Жыл бұрын
To separate ethylene from hydrogen you have two options, one is to use a molecular sieve (zeolite), the other is to place the reservoir you made in a dry ice bath. as the temperature of dry ice is lower than that of liquid ethylene, you will condense the ethylene and be able to purge the hydrogen at ambient pressure (although a little pressure in the reservoir can help the process by increasing the ethylene condensation temperature, since they are very close). I keep watching your videos, count on me to help you. congratulations
@danilofjf
@danilofjf Жыл бұрын
As for your cascading system I see room for some improvements. Let me know if you're interested.
@HyperspacePirate
@HyperspacePirate Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the pointers. I was actually planning to purify via dry ice for the next part of this video
@danilofjf
@danilofjf Жыл бұрын
reviewing what I wrote has an error. you will need to pressurize the reservoir to about 100psi to have an ethylene condensation temperature of around -60C. So to separate the hydrogen you will have to purge it little by little as soon as the temperature stabilizes
@danilofjf
@danilofjf Жыл бұрын
also consider passing the final product through a molecular sieve as part of the hydrogen can be dissolved in the ethylene and this will cause you problems. as the size of these molecules are very different any zeolite will help you and you just need to put it in a container and pass the gas through it
@cynic5581
@cynic5581 Жыл бұрын
And here I’ve been wasting my time brazing with a nitrogen purge and pulling a vacuum to remove air and non condensables. 😂 Good video and good luck.
@RebuildRoger
@RebuildRoger Жыл бұрын
Every thing going above my head but still watching your videos (refrigeration series) 😅
@shlomoattia7706
@shlomoattia7706 Жыл бұрын
great video, i know it take allot of work and investment from you to produce this videos, and to share it with us. thank you for your work and sharing 👍✅
@Ves_lft
@Ves_lft Жыл бұрын
Great video, I'll be looking forward to see the following one!
@chemholio8700
@chemholio8700 Жыл бұрын
Nice mention on Hackaday…👏👏👏
@lumotroph
@lumotroph Жыл бұрын
Incredible project! Clicked in a microsecond. Keep going! 🎉
@WetDoggo
@WetDoggo Жыл бұрын
Try draining the liquid ethylene straight down into another smaller vessel with a valve and disconnected, so the liquid displaces all the gas up to the valve. After disconnecting you should be left with a nice pure sample of high pressure ethylene. I didn't pay enough attention to be sure if this is a bomb, but I figure you will figure it out... before it blows up of course 😅
@travisjicorcoran5870
@travisjicorcoran5870 Жыл бұрын
The diagram w pressure meters at 17:20 is nice. There was an earlier diagram of the same that did not have numbers on the meter faces, and which had a tick mark st the 6 o'clock position, and that earlier one was confusing.
@justineloi1234
@justineloi1234 Жыл бұрын
This chanel is gold! Keep up the good work man !
@2pist
@2pist Жыл бұрын
I'm happy you get to work out the details. It makes my job easier. Lol.. I'm Thinking you could bend the 1mm tube to collapse it in a few spots instead of using 50 feet?
@retrofitter
@retrofitter Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about how to more evenly heat the catalyst chamber last episode. It will be interesting to see what you come up with
@ejonesss
@ejonesss Жыл бұрын
you could use one of them dehumidifers with the quick restart feature (witch uses an electric valve to equalize the pressures balancing the pressures so the compressor can restart after a power outage. some refrigerators use the same idea to defrost. also you could get a refrigerant recovery machine witch is oiless or even an oxygen compressor used for medical use as a refrigeration compressor.
@mattholmes8214
@mattholmes8214 Жыл бұрын
Highly recommend leak lock thread sealant
@Aaku13
@Aaku13 Жыл бұрын
dude I love your videos. thanks so much for producing these videos. I feel like I learn so much everytime.
@KevinAshcraft
@KevinAshcraft Жыл бұрын
SO FREAKING COOL!! GL ON PART II
@Vinzmannn
@Vinzmannn Жыл бұрын
Oh man "loaded with flammable gas". European legislation for automotive heat pumps will likely limit refrigerant charges for propane systems to 150 g max. R1234yf which is currently in use regularly has charges of over four and a half times that. Now I hear some say: "yes, but this is good because propane is flammable, I use it in my grill". R1234yf is also flammable and at that additionally produces HF when cumbusting. So it will not just burn your face off like propane, it will also make an acid which s so corrosive it attacks glass. Just because people have heard about something, it is not automatically more dangerous. Great video, love your stuff.
@Unrg
@Unrg Жыл бұрын
If I gave you a better explanation how to have a better understanding what heat and cold is. It’s not called scientific but it works and gave a better insight of this process. This is science that science isn’t ready for but it works. We can build 2 real great coolers.
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