Hypotheticals - What if the Great Vowel Shift Happened Today?

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Simon Roper

Simon Roper

2 жыл бұрын

I'm away until Wednesday/Thursday, so I'll make any corrections in the description then!

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@ChrisBattrick
@ChrisBattrick 2 жыл бұрын
Now: I have completely made them up +200 years: Class, now we’re going to study the brilliant prognostications of the late great 21st century archeo-linguist, Sir Simon Roper.
@RookhKshatriya
@RookhKshatriya 2 жыл бұрын
A beautiful mental image unfortunately most unlikely to happen as the world is clearly headed down the toilet.
@alexxxO_O
@alexxxO_O 2 жыл бұрын
@@RookhKshatriya :(
@AlexCouch65
@AlexCouch65 2 жыл бұрын
@@RookhKshatriya :(
@ng.tr.s.p.1254
@ng.tr.s.p.1254 Жыл бұрын
@@RookhKshatriya Maybe it's a class for lizard people.
@Moses_Caesar_Augustus
@Moses_Caesar_Augustus Күн бұрын
"'Sir' Simon Roper" implies that the English Monarch will knight Simon in the near future because of his services.
@skarab5502
@skarab5502 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to this as a Kiwi with an accent with pretty significant shifts was a fun game of "spot the Kiwi vowels"
@helza
@helza 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you mean shufts
@empyrionin
@empyrionin 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry mate i can't stop thinking of a kiwi fruit speaking English
@enrott8560
@enrott8560 Жыл бұрын
Just speak a regular accent and swap the A sound(that) for E sound(yet), The E sound for I sound(big), and the I sound for a U sound(uber) and you got kiwi. "Yiss ectually thets quite corrict i do want ur ghost chups"
@uapnz0698
@uapnz0698 2 жыл бұрын
My mum.. "Are you listening to the guy with the lovely calm voice he's so relaxing, what's his name again? " 😁😁😁😁👍
@derka90
@derka90 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, yes, I can very much agree with her :D
@singleturbosupra7951
@singleturbosupra7951 2 жыл бұрын
@@derka90 His whole channel is like one big unintentional asmr channel :D
@derka90
@derka90 2 жыл бұрын
@@singleturbosupra7951 yes ;)
@hobozero
@hobozero 2 жыл бұрын
To my wife, he's "baby Tolkien"
@cathjj840
@cathjj840 Жыл бұрын
@@derka90 It is. (see Irish speaker above)
@Randomname8383
@Randomname8383 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine leaving before the nature shots
@GMCCDirector
@GMCCDirector 2 жыл бұрын
Your American accent! You wouldn’t make it yet as a spy, but keep working on it. Love your videos - so informative!
@Nosirrbro
@Nosirrbro 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know, I think he could pass as some backwoods hunter in Iowa or something, but yeah it’s definitely not an accent I’d expect everywhere. And of course, a great video
@chitlitlah
@chitlitlah 2 жыл бұрын
He might fool me with that one sentence if he said he was from somewhere far from where I live. It sounds pretty American, just not my region. I doubt he could be so convincing for a full conversation, though I'd love to hear more.
@woodfur00
@woodfur00 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nosirrbro Definitely not a backwoods Iowa accent, that would be more southern-adjacent than you might expect. I might guess Wisconsin, but not rural.
@philroberts7238
@philroberts7238 2 жыл бұрын
New Zealand English seems to be a great example of one vowel shift affecting all the others along the whole spectrum - in contrast to Australian English, say, where vowel changes seem to be more discrete, if that makes sense. I'd be interested to hear what the experts say about such phenomena.
@jasmadams
@jasmadams 2 жыл бұрын
If you left and missed the nature shots, you need to take a long, hard look at your life choices.
@thorodinson6649
@thorodinson6649 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me
@angusgrant8744
@angusgrant8744 2 жыл бұрын
Simon, I think you need to write an extensive fantasy novel, set 200 years into the future, just so you can fully flesh out your post-vowel shift english dialects. There may or may not need to be a powerful ring involved
@blockheadgreen_
@blockheadgreen_ 2 жыл бұрын
Vowel-shifted American sounding like a 16th century Devonian lmao
@eshaneogy
@eshaneogy 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it sounded a bit Australian, but your idea is more fun!
@Desdinova721
@Desdinova721 2 жыл бұрын
a lot of people in America already express /æ/ as /ɛə/ or /eɪ/ depending on the environment and specific accent. I don't actually know but /æ/ as /ɛ/ makes me think of South African english. we americans love dipthongs
@mccustyd
@mccustyd 2 жыл бұрын
some people have an army and a navy for a dialect. the americans doubled our vowels so we get an air force too ;)
@weirdlanguageguy
@weirdlanguageguy 2 жыл бұрын
I pronounce /mæn/ as [mɛə̯n] and /ðæŋks/ as [ðeɪ̯ŋks]
@servantofaeie1569
@servantofaeie1569 2 жыл бұрын
@@weirdlanguageguy I say [θɛeŋks]
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca 2 жыл бұрын
@@weirdlanguageguy do you really voice the first consonant in thanks??
@weirdlanguageguy
@weirdlanguageguy 2 жыл бұрын
@@bacicinvatteneaca yes, yes I do
@zanziboi
@zanziboi Жыл бұрын
When studying the Southern Vowel Shift in the US, I've noticed a lot of similarities with the Great Vowel Shift, such as how /i, u/ become diphthongs and lowered while the other vowels raise. Here's a modified (hypothetical) Southern shift that's more inline with the Great Vowel Shift's patterns: /ai, au/ → [a, *ɛ] /ɛi, ʌu/ → [ai̯, *au̯] /ɪi, ʊu/ → [ei̯, *ou̯] /æ, ɑ/ → [ɛ, *ɔ] /ɛ, ɔ/ → [e, *o] /ɪ, ʊ/ → [i, *u]
@michaeljcross87
@michaeljcross87 2 жыл бұрын
Your American accent is adorable
@swagmund_freud6669
@swagmund_freud6669 2 жыл бұрын
In my dialect of US English, the /æ/ vowel has already moved to something like /ɛə/. The /ʊ/ vowel is in the process of moving to something like [ɘ] and the /u/ vowel is in the process of moving up [ɨʉ̯~ɨ]. I could see these all causing chain shifts. /æ/ raising could easily cause /ɛ/ to raise higher to /e/. This shift could also let /ɑ/ front to /a/. I should mention that some of the diphthongs in my dialect are becoming long vowels: /aʊ/ > [aː], /ɔʊ/ > /ʌː/, which could have a major effect on chain shifts.
@gerrithansen4214
@gerrithansen4214 2 жыл бұрын
May I kindly ask where you’re from?
@uapnz0698
@uapnz0698 2 жыл бұрын
I find the America accents across Illinois and Massachusetts particularly interesting.
@user-ck1kx5ie6t
@user-ck1kx5ie6t 2 жыл бұрын
I've picked up the [ɘ] realization of /ʊ/ even as a second language speaker, and my /u/ I suspect is [ɯᶹ], a labiodentalized [ɯ] (which may or may not have been influenced by my native phonology)
@terdragontra8900
@terdragontra8900 2 жыл бұрын
Im general american as well, and I pronounce /æ/ as /εə/ only before a nasal for some reason
@mmmmmmmmmmmmm
@mmmmmmmmmmmmm 2 жыл бұрын
@@terdragontra8900 That's called /æ/-raising. Does it also happen before /g/?
@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676
@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676 2 жыл бұрын
Living in Appalachia, so I often hear poeple (and even myself when I'm tired) pronounce /aɪ/ as /æː/, /u/ as /ʏ/ or /ʉ/, /i/ as /əi/, /ɪ/ and /ɛ/ as /ə/ (or almost /ɨ/), and /æ/ as /ɛ/ or /ɛə̆/. (There is also an apparent consonant shift, but that's a mess for another day)
@DrHixPhD
@DrHixPhD 2 жыл бұрын
Always appreciate the nature shots, thank you
@juderussell2894
@juderussell2894 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the nature shots!
@jenniferbehrens691
@jenniferbehrens691 2 жыл бұрын
The first hypothetical is very close to Southern Boston, Massachusetts, USA. That dialect seems to be more mix upper mid-west Minnesota through the UP, Michigan
@flowerpt
@flowerpt 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, South Boston and even a bit up '93 where they have strange and unusual words. Simon could spend six weeks around Boston and identify two dozen unique accents. Not even exaggerating.
@cartologist
@cartologist 2 жыл бұрын
“Southern Boston”? Do you mean South Boston (rapidly losing its distinctive accent) or the South Shore?
@cartologist
@cartologist 2 жыл бұрын
@@flowerpt My brother’s late former mother-in-law had a classic Lace Curtain Irish Boston accent.
@distracted900
@distracted900 2 жыл бұрын
The Southern dialects have already started to undergo many of the changes you mentioned: dipthonisation of /i/ and /u/ and raising of /æ/. The raising of dress is exists in some accents but it's expressed in a feel-fill merger. However, strut vowel has actually fronted and is expressed /ɜ/, and the father vowel is going nowhere. If anything the father vowel would be fronted to /ä/ if the trap vowel raises in the future, which may cause the long i which has monophthongised all the way to /ä/ fills in its place
@Beruthiel45
@Beruthiel45 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me that I just read an article about certain academics who claim, from their computer predictions, that regional dialects from Britain will all die out and everyone will sound like the home counties. In thirty years. I wanted to tell them that after fifty plus years in Canada I still have my Geordie vowels, for the most part, so I say pooh on their predictions. 🤔😎
@vsaucepuppet697
@vsaucepuppet697 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Simon-do you know why Celtic languages seem to have little to no influence over English? For instance, English almost entirely lacks Celtic vocabulary. How could countries so close to England hardly have any influence on the language?
@swagmund_freud6669
@swagmund_freud6669 2 жыл бұрын
In any time and place, certain dialects or languages will be considered prestigious or better than others. In the case of post Roman Britain, the Germanic languages the Anglo Saxons spoke were prestigious, while the Celtic languages were seen as low class, a language of slaves/barbarians. Celtic languages had already been in decline in Roman Britain anyways except in Scotland and Wales. Languages rarely borrow words from low prestige languages with a few exceptions like personal names, place names, etc. So old English borrowed lots of words from high or equal prestige languages like French or old Norse, but very few from Celtic languages. It's why my dialect of English has basically no loan words from Siksika, other than place names, which was the language spoken where I live in Canada up until about 150 years ago, because it's unfortunately a dying language that is spoken by a population who have historically been discriminated against.
@maryannebrown2385
@maryannebrown2385 2 жыл бұрын
@@swagmund_freud6669 Thank you for explaining this! I actually never thought of it this way. Yes, I am in Chicago, which is derived from an Algonquin word for wild onions, we have no native Algonquin words in the English spoken here that I know of. So sad.
@jerotoro2021
@jerotoro2021 2 жыл бұрын
@@swagmund_freud6669 It's sad to see those cultures in the state they're in. I remember in school in Saskatoon they taught a lot about Cree culture, and there were always 5 or 6 Cree kids in my class and they were very open and proud about their culture. But when I moved to Alberta it seemed like the native people were pushed into reserves, and they stayed there, and no one talked about it except to say "if you're white, stay away from there". And with all the news about unmarked gravesites at the old residential schools, it makes me a little bitter at the genocidal attitude of the Canadian government, trying to snuff out the only real culture that Canada has.
@iVenge
@iVenge 2 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to know any Celtic languages?
@vsaucepuppet697
@vsaucepuppet697 2 жыл бұрын
@@iVenge I can't speak any, but I was mainly referring to Welsh and Scottish Gaelic if that's what you were wondering.
@joshuasims5421
@joshuasims5421 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. The fun part is you can find many of these individual shifts in various dialects, which goes to show how plausible they are. Anybody here watch Lockpicking Lawyer? He consistently says 'key' as /kɪi/~/kei/.
@anghellicamakes2792
@anghellicamakes2792 2 жыл бұрын
LPL is awesome
@Chasantnik
@Chasantnik 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely work, Simon. Thank you.
@hattyburrow716
@hattyburrow716 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, you are ALWAYS fascinating
@joshadams8761
@joshadams8761 2 жыл бұрын
I am making an iPhone app about French-verb conjugation. Inspired by this channel, I am including speculative conjugations of “ester” and “gésir”, which are both defective in modern French. Delightful nature footage.
@MrVegavision
@MrVegavision 2 жыл бұрын
More content about the great vowel shift please Simon. Such an interesting topic. Thank you for this lovely video.
@itay3013
@itay3013 2 жыл бұрын
I love your hypothetical linguistics videos! Please make more!!!
@LearnRunes
@LearnRunes 2 жыл бұрын
This would cause so much confusion.
@davidp.7620
@davidp.7620 2 жыл бұрын
And then there's Spaniards who can't hear any difference at all between the two versions of the American sentence
@jack-lg1zm
@jack-lg1zm 2 жыл бұрын
3:20 that same sound change (ar-fronting) happened in eastern massachusetts
@cartologist
@cartologist 2 жыл бұрын
Again, not as much as you might think.
@michael.bombadil9984
@michael.bombadil9984 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work. Reminds me of my days taking TESL classes, fascinating.
@Particlemantex
@Particlemantex 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful nature footage.
@58andyr
@58andyr 2 жыл бұрын
Don't mind overgrown gardens at all really, but that one takes the biscuit!!! Another fine video, Simon. Well done!
@anghellicamakes2792
@anghellicamakes2792 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Simon. Another interesting video
@gradientO
@gradientO 2 жыл бұрын
Archaeologist or linguist? Both
@tay2229
@tay2229 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, and also nice to know that you are up at roughly 4am in our dear old blightly time.
@NicholasShanks
@NicholasShanks 2 жыл бұрын
This video was more like "What would vowels look like if we had *another* vowel shift today?" rather than what I thought the video was going to be, which is "If the GVS hadn't happened, but started today, what would society look like, and how would words arising since EME be affected?"
@servantofaeie1569
@servantofaeie1569 2 жыл бұрын
thats what i thought too.
@user-ze7sj4qy6q
@user-ze7sj4qy6q 2 жыл бұрын
this is probably the best channel on this godforsaken social media site tbh
@backwoodspiper3033
@backwoodspiper3033 2 жыл бұрын
I love the hypothetical possibilities. As an Appalachian area American i would almost say we are seeing vowel shifts now. I know of two examples without thinking. You and my...both more commonly now pronounced ya and muh
@VIClER99
@VIClER99 2 жыл бұрын
So what you’re saying is, southerners become Yorkshiremen and Americans become Australians. This is epic
@matej_grega
@matej_grega 2 жыл бұрын
I love these!
@flask880
@flask880 2 жыл бұрын
Nature shots are ASMR at its best
@ronmaximilian6953
@ronmaximilian6953 2 жыл бұрын
One of the things that allowed for the great vowel shift was that English was spoken basically in the British isles. Today, English is spoken as the primary language not only on the British isles, but also in the Americas, Zealandia, and Australasia. In fact, it's an official language and countries in Asia, and Africa as well. People of European descent aren't even a majority of English speakers anymore. On the other hand, the globalization of English means that many vowel shifts will occur and are occuring.
@Jablicek
@Jablicek 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, glad you no longer have the opening card with the "not a linguist" disclaimer. Are you going to take it up as a post-grad?
@taratravels6235
@taratravels6235 2 жыл бұрын
So interesting! The shift you did with American I thought sounded vaguely Australian but that might just be me haha
@lindsay_may
@lindsay_may 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking it too! The ʊ threw it off a bit but otherwise it sounds a lot like some people I know here in Western Australia!
@RichardDCook
@RichardDCook 2 жыл бұрын
There IS a Great Vowel Shift happening today! It's in the USA, as complete a reshuffling of vowel sounds as the English Great Vowel Shift, and affecting millions of people.
@Anonymous-df8it
@Anonymous-df8it Жыл бұрын
The cot-caught merger?
@SouthernersSax
@SouthernersSax 2 жыл бұрын
So in this hypothetical, England becomes a little more like New England, while the South rises again.
@iankr
@iankr 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks, Simon. Can you recommend a reference publication that explains the phonological symbols / sounds and their position in the 'mouth diagram' that you use, please? This is what I find most difficult in following your excellent videos - I have to keep rewinding to understand exactly how the sounds 'work' in terms of front/back, high/low.
@jerotoro2021
@jerotoro2021 2 жыл бұрын
It sort of reminds me of the exaggerated "Bob and Doug" Canadian accent, where all their vowels are raised and pulled back.
@ralphedwards9839
@ralphedwards9839 2 жыл бұрын
Or you could argue, not pulled down.
@observer4916
@observer4916 2 жыл бұрын
linguistics is so fascinating
@wilhelmseleorningcniht9410
@wilhelmseleorningcniht9410 2 жыл бұрын
My IPA symbols are looking odd on my screen, sorry if that's the case My speech exhibits bits of the California Vowel Shift. Essentially, /ɑ/ is going a bit further back and rounding (it tends to be just a little bit further back than the central position in General American English) to /ɒ/, pulling /æ/ down closer to /a/. /ɪ/ and /ɛ/ subsequently get pulled down and centralised. I don't have IPA symbols to show that but you see the left hand side of the vowel chart, they're essentially moving down a box and then moving right wards, being close to the center of those boxes for me personally (causes weird things I think when listening to German speakers cos they're /e/ vowel will often sound more like an /i/ to me) /u/ is pushing forward and is about where /ʏ/ is, very far forward for me. It diphthongises when it comes after some sounds, notably dentals like T and D, which can often cause some palatalization with words like do and dew both becoming anywhere from /dɪʏ/ to /dʝʏ/. /ʊ/ is a little forward too, but not as much as /u/ Also general west coast shenanigans; while my front lax vowels are lowered and centralising, they don't do this as much before /g/. Before /ŋ/, my /ɪ/ turns into an /i/ sound, and my /æ/ becomes /e̞/. In General American English, /æ/ usually diphthongises before nasals but this is generally weaker the closer to the west coast you get. On the east coast you can hear diphthongs like /eə/ or /ɛə/ in those positions, but it's closer to /æa/ or something further west, which is roughly what mine sounds like. Generally flatter with less change, the nucleus of the diphthong remains /æ/. The vicar of steam put the bell and the rat on the sunroof: [ðə vë̞kə˞ əv stim pʊ̈t̚ ðə ljʏs bæ̈ɤ æ̈nd ðə ɾatʰ ɒ̜n ðə sʌ̈nɹʏf]
@weirdlanguageguy
@weirdlanguageguy 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, so I'm not the only one who thinks the German, /e:/ sounds like an /i:/ sometimes? (I have a western US accent)
@empyrionin
@empyrionin 2 жыл бұрын
That's so cool. I used to live in California for a few years. I definitely have the tendency to pronounce bell like you did, but "rat" tends to have the same vowel quality in my speech as well. I'm a non native speaker. I've realized this because I'm teaching my daughter English (she's bilingual) and she exhibits the same tendency. Languages are so cool.
@ibnfuzzayd
@ibnfuzzayd 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video
@utinam4041
@utinam4041 2 жыл бұрын
Hypotheticals are fun!
@atbing2425
@atbing2425 2 жыл бұрын
This is interesting, but I thought the great vowel shift was about long vowels raising, and short vowels lowering, This makes sense. Long vowels are tense, high vowels take more energy to make (raise you tongue) while low vowels are more lax (think of it like lenition). You have long (tense) vowels lowering in British English (ssb), and short (Lax) vowels raising in General American.
@thogameskanaal
@thogameskanaal 2 жыл бұрын
This sounds like it could be an actual accent spoken today around London (at least that first sentence.) Maybe if space traversal becomes a thing, this would be spoken on planet New New Zealand :3
@maxmatthews2463
@maxmatthews2463 2 жыл бұрын
Chicago has this shift. Boom.
@nostalgiakarlk.f.7386
@nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 2 жыл бұрын
6:54 - As an American, I can confirm that we sound exactly like this.
@opsimathics
@opsimathics 2 жыл бұрын
Nouthn wroung widd the naytoor shohts.
@JourneyLT
@JourneyLT 2 жыл бұрын
So in the future Londoners will turn into Scoucers?
@vickiekostecki
@vickiekostecki 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. There was definitely some Scouse going on in some of those vowels.
@TOBAPNW_
@TOBAPNW_ 2 жыл бұрын
The horror!
@ChristopherBonis
@ChristopherBonis 2 жыл бұрын
Funny to hear Simon speak like me for a sentence.
@Zederok
@Zederok 2 жыл бұрын
Heya Simon! You ever read The History of English by Scott Shay? His final chapter deals with possible future english based on current trends and sound shifts.
@quinterbeck
@quinterbeck 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Simon, you're a conlanger
@griffinbeaumont7049
@griffinbeaumont7049 2 жыл бұрын
nature shots hype
@frosmane9041
@frosmane9041 2 жыл бұрын
your flowers are pretty, simon
@Eoin99
@Eoin99 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@funkyfreshtx
@funkyfreshtx 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Simon, greetings from Texas, USA, I was just thinking about this the other day. Thank you for this video. Do you have a video of reversing the great vowel shift and using sentences from today?
@robthetraveler1099
@robthetraveler1099 2 жыл бұрын
Simon, I love your content and your presentation. I'm a General American speaker, and if you would ever like to have a native dialect speaker read your GA samples, I would love to!
@aerobolt256
@aerobolt256 2 жыл бұрын
in my heaviest Alabamian Southern Accent: The vicar of steam put the loose bell and the rat on the sunroof. [ðə̆ ˈvijᵊ.k͡xʰɚɻ‿ə̆v ˌs̠tɪ̃ˑĩ̯m pʊ̜˖ʔ͡t̚ ðə̆ ˌlʊ̜˖u̯s̪ ˈbɛjᵊɫ ᵊn ðə̆ ˈɻʷæ̝jᵊʔ͡t̚ ɒ̜̈̃ː‿ⁿðə ˈs̪ʌ̝̃ːnˌɻʷʊ̜˖u̯f] the heavy has pretty much a single layer of nasalization throughout, idk how to explain it, cause some things get nasalized on top of that my everyday [ðə̆ ˈvɪ.k͡xʰɚɻ‿ə̆v ˌs̠tɪ̃ˑĩ̯m pʊ̜ʔ͡t̚ ðə̆ ˌlʊ̜u̯s̪ ˈbɛːɫ ᵊn ðə̆ ˈɻʷæːɾ‿ɒ̜̈̃ːn ðə ˈs̪ʌ̃ːnˌɻʷʊ̜u̯f]
@DylanMatthewTurner
@DylanMatthewTurner 2 жыл бұрын
I love these hypothetical Englesh
@JrTheDragon01
@JrTheDragon01 2 жыл бұрын
The second shift sounds (to me) like you've accidentally reinvented the New Zealand accent
@eshaneogy
@eshaneogy 2 жыл бұрын
American English may not have a linking R, but as an American living in southeast England, I notice that people here will add an R into spelling when they want to indicate a long vowel whereas Americans would add an H. At least, this seems to happen with the A found in "Ah, I see." I don't know if you'd find the H significant in the same way as the R, but I thought I'd mention it.
@venusianblivet9518
@venusianblivet9518 2 жыл бұрын
Why does everything always end up sounding like a west country accent?
@richbulena8847
@richbulena8847 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t something like this happening with the Northern Cities sound shift in the US?
@tomrogue13
@tomrogue13 2 жыл бұрын
Not quite. I don't remember all the steps, but trap raises, the dress and strut move back in NCVS
@plutoloco2378
@plutoloco2378 2 жыл бұрын
You’re describing some of the vowel shifts in American English. In St. Louis aave they have that same “skwurr” vowel you described.
@Urlocallordandsavior
@Urlocallordandsavior 2 жыл бұрын
What camera do you use for those nature shots Simon?
@SchmulKrieger
@SchmulKrieger 2 жыл бұрын
Dog has already become dawg in American.
@herrfister1477
@herrfister1477 2 жыл бұрын
8:00 decent pointing.
@last_night_in_my_garden
@last_night_in_my_garden 2 жыл бұрын
Simon, I thought of you when I heard Michelle Dewberry on GBNews wondering whether pregnant women should really be smirking. Why shouldn't they smirk? It took me ages to understand that she meant smoking... joyous moment, I love all our different accents. Btw, my brother who lives in London reports that in all youf speak, th has been entirely replaced by v.
@philroberts7238
@philroberts7238 2 жыл бұрын
Or, if unvoiced, by 'f' - as in your own example!
@ReidGarwin
@ReidGarwin 2 жыл бұрын
In the future " KiTKet" kitty cat almost looks and sounds like a chocolate brand 😂
@Vitorruy1
@Vitorruy1 2 жыл бұрын
Alternative history fan vs alternative phonoly appreciator
@professorracc.9780
@professorracc.9780 2 жыл бұрын
In my canadian dialect, vowels are lengthened before unreleased plosives, which occur allophonically with their released counterparts in unstressed coda positions (/strʌt/ → /strʌːt̚/ in case that wasn't clear) I could therefore imagine something like the shift you suggest in general American before unreleased plosives which are then dropped (or perhaps the unvoiced are dropped). /strʌːt̚/ → /strʊ/ (or /stro/ or /strɤ/) I was actually thinking about something like this before I found the video, but I had no idea how the great vowel shift worked.
@jabezcreed
@jabezcreed 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard something about our American vowels shifting in the Midwest/Great Lakes region, but I don't know enough about that to say what it is.
@Notemug
@Notemug 2 жыл бұрын
Well what with the MLE situation, it's more likely for START to go upwards and for THOUGHT/FORCE/NORTH to continue closing as well. So START becomes [ɔː], and THOUGHT etc. reaches [uː]
@weirdlanguageguy
@weirdlanguageguy 2 жыл бұрын
My own speech has a few mergersː pole and pull [pʰʌɫ~pʰɔɫ], marry-merry-mary, some instances of /ɛn/ are realized [ɪn], anger has the face vowel ([eɪ̯ŋgɚ]), and the beginnings of a /ɛg/ /eɪ̯g/ merger.
@jackcooper4998
@jackcooper4998 2 жыл бұрын
The shifted SSBE just sounds like a weird northern/upper Midlands accent lol
@inner_darya
@inner_darya 2 жыл бұрын
the sounds you have after the hypothetical shift make English sound very much like modern russians speak english )))
@janfilipfontana1276
@janfilipfontana1276 2 жыл бұрын
This was funny, but what if you did another video like this for (southern) English where you also consider how modern vowels are already changing?
@elsemo6949
@elsemo6949 2 жыл бұрын
You always sound just brittish to me lol. Even when doing the alternative accents just sounds like some regional accent in brittain
@meadish
@meadish 2 жыл бұрын
Could one suggest that New Zealand English has had its own 'Minor Vowel Shift'?
@carmelconlan7807
@carmelconlan7807 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that too.
Жыл бұрын
The NCVS is a striking vowel shift I'd love to hear you comment on
@DaveHuxtableLanguages
@DaveHuxtableLanguages 2 жыл бұрын
So it looks like you're saying all this will definitely happen, right?
@mytube001
@mytube001 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, the post-shift American sounded almost West Country...
@robertirving9915
@robertirving9915 2 жыл бұрын
The southern english example sounded like a grimsby/north lincolnshire accent
@rebelranger
@rebelranger 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny that you said that American Emglish doesn't distinguish between long amd short vowels. Learning the alphabet and phonetics in school, I was taught that the vowels that sound like the letters (a as in date, e as in sleep, i as in kite, o as in no, and u as in universe) were the long vowels and pronounced slightly longer than the a as in cat for example.
@davidwyman8946
@davidwyman8946 2 жыл бұрын
Southern Standard British 'Staht' already exists in Massachusetts USA...it's pronounced like this Staht the cah in Hahvahd Yahd. Cool video
@cartologist
@cartologist 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody gets that right. the ar diphthong is just not that nasal. Except in Lynn and (formerly) Revere. (Nawth Shaw)
@PyckledNyk
@PyckledNyk 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like the GVSed English accent resembles an older Boston dialect haha
@Kargoneth
@Kargoneth 2 жыл бұрын
You could use a camera stabilizer for the nature part of your video.
@BrambleStreet
@BrambleStreet 2 жыл бұрын
nah nah nah, wouldn't be a normal Simon video without shaky nature shots!!
@LivingHistorySchool
@LivingHistorySchool 2 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that young people under 30 don’t pronounce certain sounds like in the word button they fail to pronounce the “tt”or like mountain they drop the t sound. Has any one else noticed this. I’m located in the western US
@celtofcanaanesurix2245
@celtofcanaanesurix2245 2 жыл бұрын
that's true, I pronounce mountain like /mawn'n/ in fast speech though if I'm talking slow I say it right, same with something like bitten /bi'uhn/
@robthetraveler1099
@robthetraveler1099 2 жыл бұрын
Turning the "tt" in button or the "t" in mountain into glottal stops is common, and I don't think it's just young people. I'm 38 and I've always pronounced those words that way, and so do many people older than me.
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 2 жыл бұрын
I say something like bud'n
@232mumboy
@232mumboy 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 24 from LA CA my whole life, I've always pronounced /maʊnʔn/ (or /maʊʔn/), /bɪʔn/, /bəʔn/. My personal perception is that the "t"s in those words sound like a pretty old-fashioned, rich type of speaking, reminiscent of the old sort of midatlantic accents. I don't know anybody who pronounces them clearly, I don't think.
@procrastinator99
@procrastinator99 2 жыл бұрын
@@232mumboy 34, LA CA, "tt"- and "t"-to-glottal stop conversion is pretty universal in my experience as well.
@amandachapman4708
@amandachapman4708 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that your British English example sounded somewhat like a Lancashire-based accent, while your American one had some South African or Australian elements.
@effinjeffin1811
@effinjeffin1811 2 жыл бұрын
In Southern American English have you addressed how German and British (Scots, Irish, Welsh ect.) Came together to reharmonized vowels such as "i" making it a hard "I" for example?
@chrispbacon3042
@chrispbacon3042 2 жыл бұрын
Jeezus crust ya gotta what out for that dangerous thing at 7min 40 sec . It could bloody harm someone, the common garden hose is a known dangerous animal.
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